Why is pac being crucified on saddo boxing?

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Originally Posted by jerome01

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

he has been tested a multiple times and results are negative. the random tests before the fight will happen the fight will continue.


you really like imagining dikks eh? you often post about fans having sex with boxers, is that some secret fantasy of yours? you just love thinking about it your starting to turn GAY. your sentences usually contains profanity and insults pretty much like a thug... yes your just that a GAY THUG! ahahahahaha



killersheep,

i thought you where talking about facts that pac is indeed juicing.

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If you were a fighter (:lolhaha:) and you knew your opponent was without a doubt juicing and was bypassing the same old tests and getting away with it. Wouldn't you have the brains to ask for different tests? Wouldn't you have a problem if he refused and provided lame ass excuses as reasons? Seriously use your fukking head. The fact that this is even an issue shows Pacquiao is a dirty ass cheating fraud who's without hiding something

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With all of the controversy surrounding this drug testing fiasco has anyone in this topic even offer a scientific explanation how an athlete can cheat an unlimited urine test?

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It's been said before, urine and pre-scheduled drug tests are easy to beat (esp, for the #1 p4p fighter with unlimited resources). There are articles upon articles (you can start with the one by Conte, it's a fairly easy read for us non-scientists) and scientists and doctors that will testify to the fact. It's indisputable. The thing that makes Pacquiao look guilty aren't his physical oddities of the past couple years, not the numerical oddities, not even suspicious comments coming from his team. It's the fact that he's been so ridiculously opposed to the tests and with absolutely no good reason. He's scarred of needles? So am I. Needles (along with bee-stings) are my two biggest fears. Although, put 40million in front of me and I'll stick the sh*t through my eye.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Of course you don't. Cuz you can't. And deep down inside you know it. You know there is really no good reason why Pac doesn't just take the tests. You know he's hiding something. Problem is you been slobbering on Pac's dikk for so long you can't bring yourself to speak ill about the fighter who's naked poster decorates your bed room wall

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he has been tested a multiple times and results are negative. the random tests before the fight will happen the fight will continue.


you really like imagining dikks eh? you often post about fans having sex with boxers, is that some secret fantasy of yours? you just love thinking about it your starting to turn GAY. your sentences usually contains profanity and insults pretty much like a thug... yes your just that a GAY THUG! ahahahahaha



killersheep,

i thought you where talking about facts that pac is indeed juicing.

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Nope I have consistently stated as fact that Pac is backing out of this fight, because he is refusing a drug test. Which is a fact.

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Originally Posted by TheBranMan

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Originally Posted by jerome01

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

If you were a fighter (:lolhaha:) and you knew your opponent was without a doubt juicing and was bypassing the same old tests and getting away with it. Wouldn't you have the brains to ask for different tests? Wouldn't you have a problem if he refused and provided lame ass excuses as reasons? Seriously use your fukking head. The fact that this is even an issue shows Pacquiao is a dirty ass cheating fraud who's without hiding something

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With all of the controversy surrounding this drug testing fiasco has anyone in this topic even offer a scientific explanation how an athlete can cheat an unlimited urine test?

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It's been said before, urine and pre-scheduled drug tests are easy to beat (esp, for the #1 p4p fighter with unlimited resources). There are articles upon articles (you can start with the one by Conte, it's a fairly easy read for us non-scientists) and scientists and doctors that will testify to the fact. It's indisputable. The thing that makes Pacquiao look guilty aren't his physical oddities of the past couple years, not the numerical oddities, not even suspicious comments coming from his team. It's the fact that he's been so ridiculously opposed to the tests and with absolutely no good reason. He's scarred of needles? So am I. Needles (along with bee-stings) are my two biggest fears. Although, put 40million in front of me and I'll stick the sh*t through my eye.

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I just read an article about Dr. Victor Conte and EPO. And its very informative.

But according to Dr. Catlin (the doctor credited with breaking the code that implicated the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative or Balco that was owned by the Victor Conte) director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in Los Angeles stated that EPO can be detected thru urine and it is sufficient. And blood test is just a screening procedure.

Excerpt of what i found on the net:

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3) If the blood test doesn't have to be performed, then why does it exist? Not only do you say it is unnecessary, but it seems quite invasive and expensive to test athletes' blood when a simple urine test could be done.

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Believe it or not, the blood EPO test is much cheaper than the urine EPO test. The blood test costs somewhere in the ballpark of $60, whereas the urine test costs approximately $400 per test. The reason for this is that conducting the urine EPO test takes up a lot of the time of the technicians in the lab (sometimes up to two or three days) . Thus, the blood urine test can be used in situations to save money.

If would be very expensive to conduct a urine EPO tests on all athletes at $400 a pop. Thus the blood EPO test can be used to determine which athletes are most likely to be on EPO, and then the urine EPO test can be administered on this smaller sub sample.

For example purposes only, assume there are 100 athletes and only 1 has used EPO. It would cost $40,000 ($400 *100=$40,000) to test all of them for EPO using the urine EPO test. Instead if the blood test can be used on all the athletes to determine which 10 athletes are most likely to be EPO users, then the expensive urine test can be administered on the 10 suspect athletes and a lot of money can be saved. Combining the blood and the urine test only costs $10,000 ($60*100= $6,000 for the blood test on all the athletes and then 10 * $400= $4000 for the urine test on the 10 suspect athletes).Thus in this hypothetical example, using both the blood and urine test together would save approximately $30,000 as the blood and urine test combination costs only $10,000 versus the $40,000 it would cost to do the urine test on all the athletes.

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Originally Posted by jerome01

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Originally Posted by TheBranMan

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Originally Posted by jerome01

With all of the controversy surrounding this drug testing fiasco has anyone in this topic even offer a scientific explanation how an athlete can cheat an unlimited urine test?

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It's been said before, urine and pre-scheduled drug tests are easy to beat (esp, for the #1 p4p fighter with unlimited resources). There are articles upon articles (you can start with the one by Conte, it's a fairly easy read for us non-scientists) and scientists and doctors that will testify to the fact. It's indisputable. The thing that makes Pacquiao look guilty aren't his physical oddities of the past couple years, not the numerical oddities, not even suspicious comments coming from his team. It's the fact that he's been so ridiculously opposed to the tests and with absolutely no good reason. He's scarred of needles? So am I. Needles (along with bee-stings) are my two biggest fears. Although, put 40million in front of me and I'll stick the sh*t through my eye.

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I just read an article about Dr. Victor Conte and EPO. And its very informative.

But according to Dr. Catlin (the doctor credited with breaking the code that implicated the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative or Balco that was owned by the Victor Conte) director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in Los Angeles stated that EPO can be detected thru urine and it is sufficient. And blood test is just a screening procedure.

Excerpt of what i found on the net:

Question:
3) If the blood test doesn't have to be performed, then why does it exist? Not only do you say it is unnecessary, but it seems quite invasive and expensive to test athletes' blood when a simple urine test could be done.

Ans:

Believe it or not, the blood EPO test is much cheaper than the urine EPO test. The blood test costs somewhere in the ballpark of $60, whereas the urine test costs approximately $400 per test. The reason for this is that conducting the urine EPO test takes up a lot of the time of the technicians in the lab (sometimes up to two or three days) . Thus, the blood urine test can be used in situations to save money.

If would be very expensive to conduct a urine EPO tests on all athletes at $400 a pop. Thus the blood EPO test can be used to determine which athletes are most likely to be on EPO, and then the urine EPO test can be administered on this smaller sub sample.

For example purposes only, assume there are 100 athletes and only 1 has used EPO. It would cost $40,000 ($400 *100=$40,000) to test all of them for EPO using the urine EPO test. Instead if the blood test can be used on all the athletes to determine which 10 athletes are most likely to be EPO users, then the expensive urine test can be administered on the 10 suspect athletes and a lot of money can be saved. Combining the blood and the urine test only costs $10,000 ($60*100= $6,000 for the blood test on all the athletes and then 10 * $400= $4000 for the urine test on the 10 suspect athletes).Thus in this hypothetical example, using both the blood and urine test together would save approximately $30,000 as the blood and urine test combination costs only $10,000 versus the $40,000 it would cost to do the urine test on all the athletes.

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source?

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Originally Posted by Waleed

there are only two reasons i can think of..envy and discrimination..because he is asian..he is beating all american and european boxers..read all the post about amir khan you'll read the same..

about pac's contract demands on glove size, is it not 10oz. the standard for welterweight? why would floyd ask for 12oz.?

the $10m per lbs penalty should either fighter exceeds the limit of 147lbs is just assurance floyd wont do the same as what he did to JMM. what's the fuss? pac will pay the same should he exceeds 147lbs.

and why USDA when Travis Tygart has close relationship with Golden Boy Promotions?

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I feel like banning you to save yourself from further embarrassment. :)

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Of course you don't. Cuz you can't. And deep down inside you know it. You know there is really no good reason why Pac doesn't just take the tests. You know he's hiding something. Problem is you been slobbering on Pac's dikk for so long you can't bring yourself to speak ill about the fighter who's naked poster decorates your bed room wall

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he has been tested a multiple times and results are negative. the random tests before the fight will happen the fight will continue.


you really like imagining dikks eh? you often post about fans having sex with boxers, is that some secret fantasy of yours? you just love thinking about it your starting to turn GAY. your sentences usually contains profanity and insults pretty much like a thug... yes your just that a GAY THUG! ahahahahaha



killersheep,

i thought you where talking about facts that pac is indeed juicing.

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Nope I have consistently stated as fact that Pac is backing out of this fight, because he is refusing a drug test. Which is a fact.

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hater:rolleyes:

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For me the bottom line is, for a fight of this magnatude and with all the money and fame and respect blah blah blah that either guy stands to get out of this...you could poke me with anything short of another man every other day for all i give a shit. I wouldn't be holding this fight up for anything. Who cares what floyd asks for do it. Not like pac isn't asking for silly shit too. Anything else is either a scheme to build the fight more, or something shady on pac's end. I'll just be glad when it's all over.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by jerome01

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Originally Posted by TheBranMan

It's been said before, urine and pre-scheduled drug tests are easy to beat (esp, for the #1 p4p fighter with unlimited resources). There are articles upon articles (you can start with the one by Conte, it's a fairly easy read for us non-scientists) and scientists and doctors that will testify to the fact. It's indisputable. The thing that makes Pacquiao look guilty aren't his physical oddities of the past couple years, not the numerical oddities, not even suspicious comments coming from his team. It's the fact that he's been so ridiculously opposed to the tests and with absolutely no good reason. He's scarred of needles? So am I. Needles (along with bee-stings) are my two biggest fears. Although, put 40million in front of me and I'll stick the sh*t through my eye.

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I just read an article about Dr. Victor Conte and EPO. And its very informative.

But according to Dr. Catlin (the doctor credited with breaking the code that implicated the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative or Balco that was owned by the Victor Conte) director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in Los Angeles stated that EPO can be detected thru urine and it is sufficient. And blood test is just a screening procedure.

Excerpt of what i found on the net:

Question:
3) If the blood test doesn't have to be performed, then why does it exist? Not only do you say it is unnecessary, but it seems quite invasive and expensive to test athletes' blood when a simple urine test could be done.

Ans:

Believe it or not, the blood EPO test is much cheaper than the urine EPO test. The blood test costs somewhere in the ballpark of $60, whereas the urine test costs approximately $400 per test. The reason for this is that conducting the urine EPO test takes up a lot of the time of the technicians in the lab (sometimes up to two or three days) . Thus, the blood urine test can be used in situations to save money.

If would be very expensive to conduct a urine EPO tests on all athletes at $400 a pop. Thus the blood EPO test can be used to determine which athletes are most likely to be on EPO, and then the urine EPO test can be administered on this smaller sub sample.

For example purposes only, assume there are 100 athletes and only 1 has used EPO. It would cost $40,000 ($400 *100=$40,000) to test all of them for EPO using the urine EPO test. Instead if the blood test can be used on all the athletes to determine which 10 athletes are most likely to be EPO users, then the expensive urine test can be administered on the 10 suspect athletes and a lot of money can be saved. Combining the blood and the urine test only costs $10,000 ($60*100= $6,000 for the blood test on all the athletes and then 10 * $400= $4000 for the urine test on the 10 suspect athletes).Thus in this hypothetical example, using both the blood and urine test together would save approximately $30,000 as the blood and urine test combination costs only $10,000 versus the $40,000 it would cost to do the urine test on all the athletes.

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here is the source..
EPO Drug Testing

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Originally Posted by miles

I'm a hugger of neither fighter, but I know when an issue is raised whether it is right or wrong. You have said in your post that these drug tests are "ridiculous". Now that is where you and I differ. I see nothing ridiculous in ensuring that both men are tested to the highest standards possible. This isn't cycling, this is a sport where skulls are being rattled. It's only right that boxing be held to higher standards and it's good that Floyd has raised the issue. Now, if Manny had just agreed to the tests then the fight would have been settled and made. Unfortunately, Manny's team has come up with a series of excuses that have been debunked. Ultimately, he refuses a random series of blood tests, even though Mayweather has said he will undergo the same process. And, now the attempt to sue the Mayweather team and Goldenboy...even though most of us think he should just take the test?

It has been a PR disaster for Manny, when it needn't have been a big deal. It's a good thing to make weight whence the weight penalty. It's a good thing to know top boxers are clean whence the drug test. Unfortunately Manny couldn't deal with Floyd's one demand and that's why we have the problems we are having.

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I have to agree, and add the reason it's a mistake for Pacquiao, he's possible thinking his 90 million+ fans would stand behind him in the physological game. I think people are being skeptical because of his stance but more than that they are getting fed up because they just want to see the fight. Not an alternative, this fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather. I think the roar will just get louder and louder until the fight is announced.

Cause saddo ain't used to seeing such a tiny asian being the fawkn monster he is in the sport. If you guys don't like this forum, there are always other forum where I bet the majority will support pac. Everyone's take is different. At least here there's a lot of different views and there are also a few really good unbiased posters on this board. This is Saddo, it is what it is. If it is anything else...it would be just so boring.

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Cause saddo ain't used to seeing such a tiny asian being the fawkn monster he is in the sport. If you guys don't like this forum, there are always other forum where I bet the majority will support pac. Everyone's take is different. At least here there's a lot of different views and there are also a few really good unbiased posters on this board. This is Saddo, it is what it is. If it is anything else...it would be just so boring.

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what does that make these guys then ?

http://www.enciclopedia.com.pt/image...s-Pacquiao.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0316...cquiao_300.jpg

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Waleed

there are only two reasons i can think of..envy and discrimination..because he is asian..he is beating all american and european boxers..read all the post about amir khan you'll read the same..

about pac's contract demands on glove size, is it not 10oz. the standard for welterweight? why would floyd ask for 12oz.?

the $10m per lbs penalty should either fighter exceeds the limit of 147lbs is just assurance floyd wont do the same as what he did to JMM. what's the fuss? pac will pay the same should he exceeds 147lbs.

and why USDA when Travis Tygart has close relationship with Golden Boy Promotions?

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Haha good one you played the race card. Fyi the USDA is the us dairy association. Furthermore, mayweathers team has stated they don't care who administers the test as long as it's random.

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United States Department of Agriculture.

Amir Kahn is just whooping that White ass. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 15rounder

I'm sure the both of you would have a problem taking extra drug tests for a job interview that other applicants weren't asked to take am i right? U sure you wouldn't have a problem with that? I know Al Sharpton would

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For 40 millions, knowing the other boxer would have to do the same, I would even accept them to dress me with a pink skirt and to present me as Suzanne during the press conference. It's not like they were asking him to use an experimental test with some dubious substances never tried by a man before, it's just a tea spoon of friggin blood, your body could not even realize that some blood is gone because the quantity is derisory.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

This is like herding cats.....get me a kleenex and a pint of cherry vanilla while we're at it.Oh and the crucifix has zero to do with Pacquiao who is an outstanding fighter...and more to do with fan boys and spawning fluffers.

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Interesting.

So your cynicism leads you to believe that the fight is actually gonna happen and that negotiations aren't completely dead in the water?

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

This is like herding cats.....get me a kleenex and a pint of cherry vanilla while we're at it.Oh and the crucifix has zero to do with Pacquiao who is an outstanding fighter...and more to do with fan boys and spawning fluffers.

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Interesting.

So your cynicism leads you to believe that the fight is actually gonna happen and that negotiations aren't completely dead in the water?

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I felt that way until very recently (as in today), now my optimism about the fight being made has begun to fade.

because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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Originally Posted by pacQ

because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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So Pacquiao won't take a random drug screen cause people on here are racist?


I guess you win
http://theblackcommenter.files.wordp.../race-card.jpg

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Originally Posted by pacQ

because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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:rolleyes:

There are few things more pathetic than a person who throws around baseless accusations of racism because they have no other way of justifying their argument.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by pacQ

because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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:rolleyes:

There are few things more pathetic than a person who throws around baseless accusations of racism because they have no other way of justifying their argument.

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just a dose of your own medicine, baseless accusations, judging a person without any evidence at all.

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Originally Posted by Grinch

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

This is like herding cats.....get me a kleenex and a pint of cherry vanilla while we're at it.Oh and the crucifix has zero to do with Pacquiao who is an outstanding fighter...and more to do with fan boys and spawning fluffers.

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Interesting.

So your cynicism leads you to believe that the fight is actually gonna happen and that negotiations aren't completely dead in the water?

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Haa.Shows huh.I think this fight is dead in the water.That rings not big enough for those débutante egos and for the sake of this place,I hope it never happens,have to double the mods and increase the hazard pay :-X.

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Originally Posted by pacQ

because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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I gave you some neg rep for that and I gave you a good reason why. You are the only person claiming racial discrimination around here. You are also the only one using racial slurs upon other posters as well. There is only one racist that I see around here and that is....you.

This issue has nothing to do with race, so open your eyes a little and look around a little more closely.

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Originally Posted by pacQ

because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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:rolleyes:

There are few things more pathetic than a person who throws around baseless accusations of racism because they have no other way of justifying their argument.

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just a dose of your own medicine, baseless accusations, judging a person without any evidence at all.

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Throw stones in a glass house much?Manny may be the cash cow but here in the States is where the engine is and frankly many great come to flourish and break into the mainstream.Poor Manny is a hostage to his own succsess,I'm sure he can handle it. Racial divides exceed the sports world and people have died for decades over them...dont be so cheap and melee mouthed.

PAc could be a white american or a blue smurf it wouldn't change the fact that based on dubious arguments, he refuses 40 millions against a tea spoon of blood. Nothing to do with racism, really. Thus said, I am more than willing to take his place, as I stated, you can take a blood test every day, dress me with a pink skirt and call me Suzanne. I won't win though but hell, 40 millions is a good reward for an old school beating, no?

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Originally Posted by pacQ

because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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:rolleyes:

There are few things more pathetic than a person who throws around baseless accusations of racism because they have no other way of justifying their argument.

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just a dose of your own medicine, baseless accusations, judging a person without any evidence at all.

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Show me where I have made a single "baseless accusation". I have frequently said that I don't think that Manny Pacquiao is any more or less suspect of using performance enhancing drugs than any other elite-level athlete. That he is behaving in a suspicious manner is, to me, undebatable. I have also expressed my surprise as to how effective these accusations have been.

So go ahead and show me where I judged Pacquaio without any evidence. I have a feeling this might take a while :p.

Just for the record, if pacquaio proves to be a cheater then I will crucify him everyday in this forum.

It seems however that the issue is hyped as Pacquaio already agreed to all kinds of test. I've seen it in a Philippine news.

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Just for the record, if pacquaio proves to be a cheater then I will crucify him everyday in this forum.

It seems however that the issue is hyped as Pacquaio already agreed to all kinds of test. I've seen it in a Philippine news.

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Hi guys im new here. Well technically i was an old user here but i got banned because i got trolled and went on a rant. Well anyway i do agree that there are alot of filipinos out there that are blindly defending pacquiao and discriminating others en route. Believe me i would love nothing more than pac to take the tests pass and smile at mayweather's face and say "See you in the ring Floyd, bring a clean pair of shorts next time" *watches as mayweather pees himself in fear*. But sad to say he doesnt want any of the crap anymore and also i cant blame him. Someone pointing fingers at me for something he hasnt (Yet) have proof would piss me off too. Well here are some points id like to put out and i hope i dont get banned/trolled again for this. I am a filipino and a pac fan but not a pactard.


In light of bad decisions made by pac and his camp:

1. Why not take the tests? Whats the big deal? I know mayweather is whining so much but so what? He always was and will be whiny. Get to taking it and shove it in his and his father's faces.

2. Why sue him? Yes his crazy father started all of this fiasco but so what? Just prove your innocent and prove once again that ol floyd is getting ever more senile by the day.

3. Arum - Why the f**k arent you doing the right thing and making/appealing to pac to take the damn tests? Or at least tell roach to appeal to pac. I mean they've been training together for like idk 3-4 years? He even calls him master.

4. Why all the drama? They should just roll with the punches(Accusations and all) and be the bigger and better side and agree and pass through it all.


In light of mayweathers camp:

1. If mayweather really wanted clean fights why didnt they test marquez? There might be an off chance his pee had steroids and he was recycling them lol but seriously yes why not test his former opponents and why start with just pac?

2. They arent as clean as the other side because Schaefer contradicts himself in the sense that he wants a clean fight with mayweather vs pac but when zab judah wanted shane to submit testing he said that NSAC has the adequate testing and mosley need not submit if not required.

3. Before all this fiasco about testing happened, who was the first to ring the alarm? Oh thats right it was Ol' floyd sr. A man who isnt that known for being that reputable.



Well those are just some points i just wanted to put out. Please dont be offended, angered or troll me. I am just a humble fan of the sweet science.
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And oh for those who are pissed off at pactards you should also consider the mayweather nuthuggers and plain pac haters too. They piss off the pac fans and turn them into pactards. I can even name 2 trolls in youtube namely karceno and bloodboxing. :-X

Why is Pac being crucified here?

Plain and simple...

The so called experts here are just playing with the pacfans/pacturds. This is their opportunity. Can't anyone see? It's not like Pac was saying NO to bloodtesting. He is willing to take it as long as it's not a few days before the fight. He learned that the hard way with Morales. If that's what he feels and believes, why can't anyone respect that? And don't even bring up the 10million per pound penalty that Pac was asking. PBF has the history of coming in overweight. Pac has passed all the test. Fact!

Happy New Year!

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Why is Pac being crucified here?

Plain and simple...

The so called experts here are just playing with the pacfans/pacturds. This is their opportunity. Can't anyone see? It's not like Pac was saying NO to bloodtesting. He is willing to take it as long as it's not a few days before the fight. He learned that the hard way with Morales. If that's what he feels and believes, why can't anyone respect that? And don't even bring up the 10million per pound penalty that Pac was asking. PBF has the history of coming in overweight. Pac has passed all the test. Fact!

Happy New Year!

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Plus. I don't see anyone here busting Shane Mosley's balls and b1cthing him to take the USADA test for his next fight knowing that he's the one who has history of steriod use.

Envy, jealousy, animosity is a sad sad thing. Tsk! tsk!

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Hi guys im new here. Well technically i was an old user here but i got banned because i got trolled and went on a rant. Well anyway i do agree that there are alot of filipinos out there that are blindly defending pacquiao and discriminating others en route. Believe me i would love nothing more than pac to take the tests pass and smile at mayweather's face and say "See you in the ring Floyd, bring a clean pair of shorts next time" *watches as mayweather pees himself in fear*. But sad to say he doesnt want any of the crap anymore and also i cant blame him. Someone pointing fingers at me for something he hasnt (Yet) have proof would piss me off too. Well here are some points id like to put out and i hope i dont get banned/trolled again for this. I am a filipino and a pac fan but not a pactard.


In light of bad decisions made by pac and his camp:

1. Why not take the tests? Whats the big deal? I know mayweather is whining so much but so what? He always was and will be whiny. Get to taking it and shove it in his and his father's faces.

2. Why sue him? Yes his crazy father started all of this fiasco but so what? Just prove your innocent and prove once again that ol floyd is getting ever more senile by the day.

3. Arum - Why the f**k arent you doing the right thing and making/appealing to pac to take the damn tests? Or at least tell roach to appeal to pac. I mean they've been training together for like idk 3-4 years? He even calls him master.

4. Why all the drama? They should just roll with the punches(Accusations and all) and be the bigger and better side and agree and pass through it all.


In light of mayweathers camp:

1. If mayweather really wanted clean fights why didnt they test marquez? There might be an off chance his pee had steroids and he was recycling them lol but seriously yes why not test his former opponents and why start with just pac?

2. They arent as clean as the other side because Schaefer contradicts himself in the sense that he wants a clean fight with mayweather vs pac but when zab judah wanted shane to submit testing he said that NSAC has the adequate testing and mosley need not submit if not required.

3. Before all this fiasco about testing happened, who was the first to ring the alarm? Oh thats right it was Ol' floyd sr. A man who isnt that known for being that reputable.



Well those are just some points i just wanted to put out. Please dont be offended, angered or troll me. I am just a humble fan of the sweet science.
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because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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There are few things more pathetic than a person who throws around baseless accusations of racism because they have no other way of justifying their argument.

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In a way I don't think it's baseless race card playing from them. Asians as in the orientals are seen as physically inferior as human beings in terms of athletics and manhood in the west. Where do you think the small, weak, little dick generalities comes from? Even this place has topics started on it by longterm respected members. So I can see why the Flips/Asians might get a little defensive when 1 of their own is the top fighter in the sport and everyone questions his accomplishments.

BTW, I'm just trying to look at it from their shoes.

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because he is a filipino, asian not american british western.

pure and simple racial discrimination.

they say they want a level playing field?

Floyd is an american based in nevada.
where is the fight planned to be held - NEVADA USA
who do they want to do the testing? US olympic testers

why not try it the other way around?

let the fight be held here in the philippines? testing to be done by our local agencies.

thats level playing field right?

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There are few things more pathetic than a person who throws around baseless accusations of racism because they have no other way of justifying their argument.

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In a way I don't think it's baseless race card playing from them. Asians as in the orientals are seen as physically inferior as human beings in terms of athletics and manhood in the west. Where do you think the small, weak, little dick generalities comes from? Even this place has topics started on it by longterm respected members. So I can see why the Flips/Asians might get a little defensive when 1 of their own is the top fighter in the sport and everyone questions his accomplishments.

BTW, I'm just trying to look at it from their shoes.

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Only a complete racist would consider Asian people inferior in any way. It's not a common belief at all where I live. We have a massive Asian population here and there is very little racism towards them in the general population (by that I mean no more than what is experienced by other ethnic groups). Do some people look at Asian's with derision? Certainly, but the number is few and it's certainly not endemic to the west like you describe it.

isn't it amazing how quiet roach has been on all this blood test crap? usually he's the one with the big mouth but suddenly he's developed a case of humbleness. now that his star pupil needs him the most he's suddenly forgot to talk. funny how things work out!

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isn't it amazing how quiet roach has been on all this blood test crap? usually he's the one with the big mouth but suddenly he's developed a case of humbleness. now that his star pupil needs him the most he's suddenly forgot to talk. funny how things work out!

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well what do you want him to say? he's said it before, he doesn't want blood drawn at least 2 days before the fight, unlimited urine tests. does he need to repeat himself?

how about the mayweathers? what's new with them?

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PAc could be a white american or a blue smurf it wouldn't change the fact that based on dubious arguments, he refuses 40 millions against a tea spoon of blood. Nothing to do with racism, really. Thus said, I am more than willing to take his place, as I stated, you can take a blood test every day, dress me with a pink skirt and call me Suzanne. I won't win though but hell, 40 millions is a good reward for an old school beating, no?

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i'd do that too in a blink but unlike us pacquiao is hoping to win. lol

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There are few things more pathetic than a person who throws around baseless accusations of racism because they have no other way of justifying their argument.

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In a way I don't think it's baseless race card playing from them. Asians as in the orientals are seen as physically inferior as human beings in terms of athletics and manhood in the west. Where do you think the small, weak, little dick generalities comes from? Even this place has topics started on it by longterm respected members. So I can see why the Flips/Asians might get a little defensive when 1 of their own is the top fighter in the sport and everyone questions his accomplishments.

BTW, I'm just trying to look at it from their shoes.

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Only a complete racist would consider Asian people inferior in any way. It's not a common belief at all where I live. We have a massive Asian population here and there is very little racism towards them in the general population (by that I mean no more than what is experienced by other ethnic groups). Do some people look at Asian's with derision? Certainly, but the number is few and it's certainly not endemic to the west like you describe it.

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I'm just trying to look at it from their eyes as in why some would use the race card. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Because the USA has a little bit more derison for them and their physical, athletic abilities, and manhood. Maybe a place like Canada and a few countries in western europe doesnt. But the USA is the leader of the Western world and it's representative and largest country. What it says goes and it represents the west.

ANd as an American I know this country has a derision for them, their countries and their people. You really don't think America's wars with them in China, N. Korea, Vietnam, (proxy wars in the cold war), and the Phillipines (early 20th century) hasn't shaped America's view of them? It has, it's represented in society, media (tv, newspapers, films) and a plethora of other mediums.

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In a way I don't think it's baseless race card playing from them. Asians as in the orientals are seen as physically inferior as human beings in terms of athletics and manhood in the west. Where do you think the small, weak, little dick generalities comes from? Even this place has topics started on it by longterm respected members. So I can see why the Flips/Asians might get a little defensive when 1 of their own is the top fighter in the sport and everyone questions his accomplishments.

BTW, I'm just trying to look at it from their shoes.

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Only a complete racist would consider Asian people inferior in any way. It's not a common belief at all where I live. We have a massive Asian population here and there is very little racism towards them in the general population (by that I mean no more than what is experienced by other ethnic groups). Do some people look at Asian's with derision? Certainly, but the number is few and it's certainly not endemic to the west like you describe it.

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I'm just trying to look at it from their eyes as in why some would use the race card. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Because the USA has a little bit more derison for them and their physical, athletic abilities, and manhood. Maybe a place like Canada and a few countries in western europe doesnt. But the USA is the leader of the Western world and it's representative and largest country. What it says goes and it represents the west.

ANd as an American I know this country has a derision for them, their countries and their people. You really don't think America's wars with them in China, N. Korea, Vietnam, (proxy wars in the cold war), and the Phillipines (early 20th century) hasn't shaped America's view of them? It has, it's represented in society, media (tv, newspapers, films) and a plethora of other mediums.

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Thread's getting out of hand I think. Was a pretty good read until I came to these exchanges. I understand your way of thinking, but as a non American, I could say that your country has a derision not just on Asians but also on other non Caucasian races if I go by your way of thinking. It's early morning here and I'm just getting off work, so my apologies if my post seems muddled. Just saying that you're not doing your country any good by stating what you just said, at least for me it's not.

As an aside, America never had an open war with China. They were helping them fight off the Japanese back in WW2. Sorry for being way OT, but I wasn't expecting to see these kinds of posts in a boxing forum.

He's being crucified because he can only come up with ridiculous excuses to avoid giving a teaspoon of blood to prove he isn't a drugs cheat. It certainly looks like he's got something to hide, doesn't it?

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In a way I don't think it's baseless race card playing from them. Asians as in the orientals are seen as physically inferior as human beings in terms of athletics and manhood in the west. Where do you think the small, weak, little dick generalities comes from? Even this place has topics started on it by longterm respected members. So I can see why the Flips/Asians might get a little defensive when 1 of their own is the top fighter in the sport and everyone questions his accomplishments.

BTW, I'm just trying to look at it from their shoes.

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Only a complete racist would consider Asian people inferior in any way. It's not a common belief at all where I live. We have a massive Asian population here and there is very little racism towards them in the general population (by that I mean no more than what is experienced by other ethnic groups). Do some people look at Asian's with derision? Certainly, but the number is few and it's certainly not endemic to the west like you describe it.

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I'm just trying to look at it from their eyes as in why some would use the race card. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Because the USA has a little bit more derison for them and their physical, athletic abilities, and manhood. Maybe a place like Canada and a few countries in western europe doesnt. But the USA is the leader of the Western world and it's representative and largest country. What it says goes and it represents the west.

ANd as an American I know this country has a derision for them, their countries and their people. You really don't think America's wars with them in China, N. Korea, Vietnam, (proxy wars in the cold war), and the Phillipines (early 20th century) hasn't shaped America's view of them? It has, it's represented in society, media (tv, newspapers, films) and a plethora of other mediums.

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