A neutrals perspective on the Manny debate ..........

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Manny beating Oscar I can understand. Oscar was a shell of his former self fighting at a weight he hadn't been at for a decade. He was dead at the weight, couldn't rehydrate and was basically a mobile punchbag. Hatton wasn't quite that far gone but far enough gone and from the first post in the thread it looks like the rumours about him getting beaten up by his sparring partners were true. But it's the Cotto fight that got me. Cotto definitely was on the slide but it's the way he got beaten up for the duration of the fight. It's like Cotto was the ex-106 pounder and Manny was the guy whose normal weight is over 160. I can accept the weight gain over the past five years, I'm aware he weighed around 140 in the ring for fights five years ago. I can accept he's improved a lot as a boxer over the last five years. But I'm having trouble accepting that he's kept his power and can beat up big elite welters. You just don't go from losing to a completely shot Erik Morales at 129 five years ago to beating up top welterweights without something going on.

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You almost had a fair post until the bolded one. :-\

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He never won another fight again after that and just before that he'd finished the Barrera trilogy which was a career-ender in itself. Hard to argue he was still at his peak.

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so you're trying to say now that you're an expert on PEDS? that you know better than the NSAC?:-X

if there's someone doing the "prima donna" (not pre-madonna, LOL) on this fight it's the gayweather. He's a known prima donna;).

I'm not really defending Pac on this drug testing. If the drug testing is the only condition to silence PAc's critics, then I'd say to Pac, "take that ludicrous demand and take your position as an ALL- TIME GREAT coz if you're clean then that will cement your position as one of the top 5 greatest of all time".

If Pac is proven clean ( as he has already proven 10 times or more), then he truly is a very remarkable and unequaled fighter in the history of boxing.

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No, I'm saying that I know better than you. The NSCA does not believe there is a better, more reliable method of testing, they know the facts too, it's just the politics of putting them in place. There is no more reliable way of testing than random blood and urine tests. FACT.

...And please, don't start correcting my English. I make mistakes like everyone else. I'm not getting into that battle with you, a grade 3 English teacher would have a field day with some of your posts (I'm not trying to start you, I understand English probably isn't your first language).

Lastly, Pac has never proven that he isn't on PEDs. Alex Ariza has only proven that he knows when to discontinue use to beat pre-scheduled blood tests and urine tests (fairly easy thing to do).

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LOL. Prima Donna is not English. It's Latin. I was just correcting your use of prima donna. LOL.

English is not my first language and that makes me better than you in writing. ;D;D;D I've studied english and latin grammar for 25 years, fyi.:cool:

NOw going back to the topic, I admit that you know better than me when it comes to PEDS. I've never used one. For sure, with the way you talk about PEDs, I can deduce that you're an expert through first hand experience.:-X

Regarding, Pac agreeing to the random drug test, I've seen it in the news that he was agreeing to it. So I must have heard it wrong if he hasn't agreed to it.

Anyway, whether Pac agreed to it or not, I'm with an unwavering belief that Pac must agree to the random drug testing to prove to the world that he's really clean.

I must admit that when the issue was not yet this bloated, I was totally against submitting to the demands of the gayweathers regarding the random drug test.

But with the current turn of events, there is an exigency now on the part of team pacquaio to abide with the gayweathers' demand (that is, if they haven't agreed to it).

Hope that satisfies you BRANMAN aka Gayweather nuthugger.:cool:

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HAHAHHA
I won't bother correcting your numerous grammar-related errors (in that post alone) as I think you've carried that argument far enough. It's too bad that you can't correct me with such fervor and honesty concerning issues such as the one pertaining to the substances that Pacquiao has almost undoubtedly been utilizing.

The fact that you've resorted to accusing me of abusing performance enhancing drugs, for being educated on the athletic science behind them, just further reveals your child-like mind-state and the fact that, regardless of how I explain your hero and countryman, you will never fade from his defense, no matter what disgraceful truths are unearthed. I bid you good luck in your dark cave of untruths and I can only pray that justice is done. I too, hope that Pacquiao agrees to Olympic-style drug testing... but he won't. Alex Ariza is too clever and too educated in his field to be caught :(

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No, I'm saying that I know better than you. The NSCA does not believe there is a better, more reliable method of testing, they know the facts too, it's just the politics of putting them in place. There is no more reliable way of testing than random blood and urine tests. FACT.

...And please, don't start correcting my English. I make mistakes like everyone else. I'm not getting into that battle with you, a grade 3 English teacher would have a field day with some of your posts (I'm not trying to start you, I understand English probably isn't your first language).

Lastly, Pac has never proven that he isn't on PEDs. Alex Ariza has only proven that he knows when to discontinue use to beat pre-scheduled blood tests and urine tests (fairly easy thing to do).

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LOL. Prima Donna is not English. It's Latin. I was just correcting your use of prima donna. LOL.

English is not my first language and that makes me better than you in writing. ;D;D;D I've studied english and latin grammar for 25 years, fyi.:cool:

NOw going back to the topic, I admit that you know better than me when it comes to PEDS. I've never used one. For sure, with the way you talk about PEDs, I can deduce that you're an expert through first hand experience.:-X

Regarding, Pac agreeing to the random drug test, I've seen it in the news that he was agreeing to it. So I must have heard it wrong if he hasn't agreed to it.

Anyway, whether Pac agreed to it or not, I'm with an unwavering belief that Pac must agree to the random drug testing to prove to the world that he's really clean.

I must admit that when the issue was not yet this bloated, I was totally against submitting to the demands of the gayweathers regarding the random drug test.

But with the current turn of events, there is an exigency now on the part of team pacquaio to abide with the gayweathers' demand (that is, if they haven't agreed to it).

Hope that satisfies you BRANMAN aka Gayweather nuthugger.:cool:

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I won't bother correcting your numerous grammar-related errors (in that post alone) as I think you've carried that argument far enough. It's too bad that you can't correct me with such fervor and honesty concerning issues such as the one pertaining to the substances that Pacquiao has almost undoubtedly been utilizing.

The fact that you've resorted to accusing me of abusing performance enhancing drugs, for being educated on the athletic science behind them, just further reveals your child-like mind-state and the fact that, regardless of how I explain your hero and countryman, you will never fade from his defense, no matter what disgraceful truths are unearthed. I bid you good luck in your dark cave of untruths and I can only pray that justice is done. I too, hope that Pacquiao agrees to Olympic-style drug testing... but he won't. Alex Ariza is too clever and too educated in his field to be caught :(

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LOL.No worry Branman. You may correct my grammar but I know you can't. ;D. Btw, here at Saddo, we don't mind grammar. We speak what we want. This is a boxing forum and we leave the grammar thing to the English majors.

Regarding the issue on blood testing, I'm sorry to tell you that I will defend Pac when I see that there is a reason to defend.

Anyway, with the current turn of events, I'm beginning to suspect now that Pac is on steroids or PEDs.

That's our difference Branman. I know when to stop defending my favorite fighter.

How about you? When will you stop nuthugging Gayweather?:-X

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Manny beating Oscar I can understand. Oscar was a shell of his former self fighting at a weight he hadn't been at for a decade. He was dead at the weight, couldn't rehydrate and was basically a mobile punchbag. Hatton wasn't quite that far gone but far enough gone and from the first post in the thread it looks like the rumours about him getting beaten up by his sparring partners were true. But it's the Cotto fight that got me. Cotto definitely was on the slide but it's the way he got beaten up for the duration of the fight. It's like Cotto was the ex-106 pounder and Manny was the guy whose normal weight is over 160. I can accept the weight gain over the past five years, I'm aware he weighed around 140 in the ring for fights five years ago. I can accept he's improved a lot as a boxer over the last five years. But I'm having trouble accepting that he's kept his power and can beat up big elite welters. You just don't go from losing to a completely shot Erik Morales at 129 five years ago to beating up top welterweights without something going on.

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You almost had a fair post until the bolded one. :-\

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i guess he forgot how that pre fight negotiations went. how erik got all his demands. like using the winning gloves, blood drawn 2 days before the fight. i guess if you lose to a completely shot morales you dont deserve to win anymore after that huh?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Manny beating Oscar I can understand. Oscar was a shell of his former self fighting at a weight he hadn't been at for a decade. He was dead at the weight, couldn't rehydrate and was basically a mobile punchbag. Hatton wasn't quite that far gone but far enough gone and from the first post in the thread it looks like the rumours about him getting beaten up by his sparring partners were true. But it's the Cotto fight that got me. Cotto definitely was on the slide but it's the way he got beaten up for the duration of the fight. It's like Cotto was the ex-106 pounder and Manny was the guy whose normal weight is over 160. I can accept the weight gain over the past five years, I'm aware he weighed around 140 in the ring for fights five years ago. I can accept he's improved a lot as a boxer over the last five years. But I'm having trouble accepting that he's kept his power and can beat up big elite welters. You just don't go from losing to a completely shot Erik Morales at 129 five years ago to beating up top welterweights without something going on.

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You almost had a fair post until the bolded one. :-\

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i guess he forgot how that pre fight negotiations went. how erik got all his demands. like using the winning gloves, blood drawn 2 days before the fight. i guess if you lose to a completely shot morales you dont deserve to win anymore after that huh?

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So Manny can have blood drawn shortly before a fight then. So there's even less of an excuse for him to not agree to the random testing.

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You almost had a fair post until the bolded one. :-\

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i guess he forgot how that pre fight negotiations went. how erik got all his demands. like using the winning gloves, blood drawn 2 days before the fight. i guess if you lose to a completely shot morales you dont deserve to win anymore after that huh?

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So Manny can have blood drawn shortly before a fight then. So there's even less of an excuse for him to not agree to the random testing.

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he agreed to that. his main point is not having his blood draw so close to the fight based on personal experience in the first morales fight. having blood draw after the fight wont affect his performance anymore right?

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Originally Posted by Zilla

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i guess he forgot how that pre fight negotiations went. how erik got all his demands. like using the winning gloves, blood drawn 2 days before the fight. i guess if you lose to a completely shot morales you dont deserve to win anymore after that huh?

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So Manny can have blood drawn shortly before a fight then. So there's even less of an excuse for him to not agree to the random testing.

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he agreed to that. his main point is not having his blood draw so close to the fight based on personal experience in the first morales fight. having blood draw after the fight wont affect his performance anymore right?

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That sounded more like an excuse of why he lost to Morales to me. The blood was taken 48 hours before the fight, are you saying that 4 mL of blood taken two days ago would weaken you today?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Manny beating Oscar I can understand. Oscar was a shell of his former self fighting at a weight he hadn't been at for a decade. He was dead at the weight, couldn't rehydrate and was basically a mobile punchbag. Hatton wasn't quite that far gone but far enough gone and from the first post in the thread it looks like the rumours about him getting beaten up by his sparring partners were true. But it's the Cotto fight that got me. Cotto definitely was on the slide but it's the way he got beaten up for the duration of the fight. It's like Cotto was the ex-106 pounder and Manny was the guy whose normal weight is over 160. I can accept the weight gain over the past five years, I'm aware he weighed around 140 in the ring for fights five years ago. I can accept he's improved a lot as a boxer over the last five years. But I'm having trouble accepting that he's kept his power and can beat up big elite welters. You just don't go from losing to a completely shot Erik Morales at 129 five years ago to beating up top welterweights without something going on.

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You almost had a fair post until the bolded one. :-\

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i guess he forgot how that pre fight negotiations went. how erik got all his demands. like using the winning gloves, blood drawn 2 days before the fight. i guess if you lose to a completely shot morales you dont deserve to win anymore after that huh?

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There was nothing in any negotiations to have blood drawn two days before the fight. The Vegas people lost his test and retested him but the test wasn't even for PEDs, it was for HIV and hepatitis, they didn't blood test him for drugs and never have for any fighter. Manny then used the blood test as an excuse for getting his arse handed to him by a shot featherweight, realised he had nothing at featherweight level and decided to go on the juice for the rest of his career.

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i guess he forgot how that pre fight negotiations went. how erik got all his demands. like using the winning gloves, blood drawn 2 days before the fight. i guess if you lose to a completely shot morales you dont deserve to win anymore after that huh?

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So Manny can have blood drawn shortly before a fight then. So there's even less of an excuse for him to not agree to the random testing.

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he agreed to that. his main point is not having his blood draw so close to the fight based on personal experience in the first morales fight. having blood draw after the fight wont affect his performance anymore right?

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Um, I'm gonna need you to know something about PEDs before we continue this conversation.

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So Manny can have blood drawn shortly before a fight then. So there's even less of an excuse for him to not agree to the random testing.

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he agreed to that. his main point is not having his blood draw so close to the fight based on personal experience in the first morales fight. having blood draw after the fight wont affect his performance anymore right?

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Um, I'm gonna need you to know something about PEDs before we continue this conversation.

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zilla, pac lost that fight with morales. i'm not saying he lost because of the blood test but he did say it weakened him in an interview done after the fight. would you like the same excuse for this fight? i wish both fighters could come to a compromise for an effective test and won't give anybody an excuse as far as drug usage or testing is concern in case they loses.

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So Manny can have blood drawn shortly before a fight then. So there's even less of an excuse for him to not agree to the random testing.

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he agreed to that. his main point is not having his blood draw so close to the fight based on personal experience in the first morales fight. having blood draw after the fight wont affect his performance anymore right?

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Um, I'm gonna need you to know something about PEDs before we continue this conversation.

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so you're some kind of PEDS expert i suppose. he said the blood draw two days before the fight weakened him. do you want him to give the same excuse if he loses to mayweather?

how much blood do they take for a drug test? When I give blood I can be weak for a little while but that is way more blood being taken out then a little drug test.
I don't see the problem with having the test in the locker room right after the fight just make it if manny tests positive he then loses his purse and floyd gets it. that easy.

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he agreed to that. his main point is not having his blood draw so close to the fight based on personal experience in the first morales fight. having blood draw after the fight wont affect his performance anymore right?

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Um, I'm gonna need you to know something about PEDs before we continue this conversation.

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so you're some kind of PEDS expert i suppose. he said the blood draw two days before the fight weakened him. do you want him to give the same excuse if he loses to mayweather?

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If you think Manny losing to Erik Morales had anything to do with blood being drawn you are on crack. Worse yet, why didn't Pac say that after losing? Fighters love making excuses for why they lost. Why wasn't this said by anyone after that fight?

I am no expert, but I'm pretty sure taking PEDs before a fight makes you stronger.

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how much blood do they take for a drug test? When I give blood I can be weak for a little while but that is way more blood being taken out then a little drug test.
I don't see the problem with having the test in the locker room right after the fight just make it if manny tests positive he then loses his purse and floyd gets it. that easy.

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Less than you lose with a bad shaving cut. An entire set of random blood tests would require 9ml of blood, or less than one-third of one US fluid ounce.

"The amount of blood taken is so small it will have zero effect on performance," said Dr. Gary Wadler, the World Anti-Doping Agency chairman of the Prohibited List Committee. "It's really inconsequential when you take into account the total blood volume in the human body. It's not a valid argument."

Floyd Mayweather's request for Manny Pacquiao to be drug tested is matter of boxing ethics

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Um, I'm gonna need you to know something about PEDs before we continue this conversation.

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so you're some kind of PEDS expert i suppose. he said the blood draw two days before the fight weakened him. do you want him to give the same excuse if he loses to mayweather?

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If you think Manny losing to Erik Morales had anything to do with blood being drawn you are on crack. Worse yet, why didn't Pac say that after losing? Fighters love making excuses for why they lost. Why wasn't this said by anyone after that fight?

I am no expert, but I'm pretty sure taking PEDs before a fight makes you stronger.

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he did say it in an interview in 2005 after the morales fight. if you search for it in youtube you'd easily find it.

ok, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97MccjZwV4

Floyd Mayweather Snr is now stating the dude on the far right is on some sort of PED's. Honestly, I want to see proof.

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/1/steroids.jpg

On a more serious note, I like, and completely agree with this article.....

Filipino Pride: The Main Reason Pacquiao Refuses Random Testing | Bleacher Report

Manny must be really greedy, not sharing his roids to Bobby.

Great post Jimmy.

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Floyd Mayweather Snr is now stating the dude on the far right is on some sort of PED's. Honestly, I want to see proof.

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/1/steroids.jpg

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Floyd Sr is still on crack. If he really believes that, then why Manny only grew 5 pounds (fight night) from 2006 to 2009?

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On a more serious note, I like, and completely agree with this article.....

Filipino Pride: The Main Reason Pacquiao Refuses Random Testing | Bleacher Report

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Floyd Mayweather is now stating that he wont fight Manny because he believes that Mannys dress sense is the result of the use of mind-bending drugs. :o

To be honest, after checking this photo, I dont even think testing is required, it's pretty conclusive in my book .........

http://fightnews.com/wp-content/uploads/pacmaninla.jpg

A bad sense of fashion is one thing. Bad sportsmanship is another.

Call it pride. Call it cheating. Call it a dire fear of needles. Call it whatever you like. The statement: "Pacquiao has refused the fight because Floyd requested a more conclusive type of testing" is still true. :-\ I just hope that they can come to an agreement (where the fans know we're getting a fair fight).... by uhh... next fall :D

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A bad sense of fashion is one thing. Bad sportsmanship is another.

Call it pride. Call it cheating. Call it a dire fear of needles. Call it whatever you like. The statement: "Pacquiao has refused the fight because Floyd requested a more conclusive type of testing" is still true. :-\ I just hope that they can come to an agreement (where the fans know we're getting a fair fight).... by uhh... next fall :D

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It's also true that never in the sport of boxing has any fighter ever demanded what Floyd is demanding. Floyd is an all-time great, but that doesnt mean, as much as he thinks he is, that he's bigger than the sport. Floyd believes he is the greatest of all time. If thats the case, then go out and beat a former 108lb fighter and show the world that you can beat Manny even if he believes he has had some juice. Take Oscar v Vargas. Nando was the naturally bigger fighter, also world class, and full or roids, and Oscar kicked his ass.

It's all about skill at the end of the day. And Floyd is the bigger fighter naturally anyway with more skill than any fighter on the planet. Floyd just needs to grow some balls. PED's dont make you Superman, or in Manny's case WakaPacman. ;D

If I was Manny, I would have told Floyd in no uncertain terms, to go and fuck himself. If I was also Manny, I'd be rubbing shoulders with Mr Versace and Mr Armani, because the Christmas jumper he got off his grandma is shocking at best.

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A bad sense of fashion is one thing. Bad sportsmanship is another.

Call it pride. Call it cheating. Call it a dire fear of needles. Call it whatever you like. The statement: "Pacquiao has refused the fight because Floyd requested a more conclusive type of testing" is still true. :-\ I just hope that they can come to an agreement (where the fans know we're getting a fair fight).... by uhh... next fall :D

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It's also true that never in the sport of boxing has any fighter ever demanded what Floyd is demanding. Floyd is an all-time great, but that doesnt mean, as much as he thinks he is, that he's bigger than the sport. Floyd believes he is the greatest of all time. If thats the case, then go out and beat a former 108lb fighter and show the world that you can beat Manny even if he believes he has had some juice. Take Oscar v Vargas. Nando was the naturally bigger fighter, also world class, and full or roids, and Oscar kicked his ass.

It's all about skill at the end of the day. And Floyd is the bigger fighter naturally anyway with more skill than any fighter on the planet. Floyd just needs to grow some balls. PED's dont make you Superman, or in Manny's case WakaPacman. ;D

If I was Manny, I would have told Floyd in no uncertain terms, to go and fuck himself. If I was also Manny, I'd be rubbing shoulders with Mr Versace and Mr Armani, because the Christmas jumper he got off his grandma is shocking at best.

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So your solution is just to fight someone that has well-publicized steroid abuse suspicions because, if Floyd is really an ATG, he'll beat him anyway.
I'm sorry but that's absurd.
If Oscar knew (or was even suspicious) pre-fight that Vargas was juicing, do you honestly think he wouldn't have cared? Oscar has his jaw on the floor right now wondering why the hell WakaSumJuiceInMe doesn't just take a few silly tests. No matter how much you discredit the effects of steroids, an unfair advantage is an unfair advantage. These types of testing procedures have been requested before in championship bouts, but never at this level of the sport. Why shouldn't Floyd set a precedent? PED technology is getting better and they are becoming harder and harder to detect. IMO he's completely within his rights to request USADA testing. He even gave some leeway concerning that, allowing the tests to be conducted by others and giving them a 14 day window before the fight where they'd cut off the random blood tests. In this circumstance Floyd has been beyond reasonable and Manny has only raised more eyebrows over his alleged steroid use. It's beyond suspicious now.

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A bad sense of fashion is one thing. Bad sportsmanship is another.

Call it pride. Call it cheating. Call it a dire fear of needles. Call it whatever you like. The statement: "Pacquiao has refused the fight because Floyd requested a more conclusive type of testing" is still true. :-\ I just hope that they can come to an agreement (where the fans know we're getting a fair fight).... by uhh... next fall :D

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It's also true that never in the sport of boxing has any fighter ever demanded what Floyd is demanding. Floyd is an all-time great, but that doesnt mean, as much as he thinks he is, that he's bigger than the sport. Floyd believes he is the greatest of all time. If thats the case, then go out and beat a former 108lb fighter and show the world that you can beat Manny even if he believes he has had some juice. Take Oscar v Vargas. Nando was the naturally bigger fighter, also world class, and full or roids, and Oscar kicked his ass.

It's all about skill at the end of the day. And Floyd is the bigger fighter naturally anyway with more skill than any fighter on the planet. Floyd just needs to grow some balls. PED's dont make you Superman, or in Manny's case WakaPacman. ;D

If I was Manny, I would have told Floyd in no uncertain terms, to go and fuck himself. If I was also Manny, I'd be rubbing shoulders with Mr Versace and Mr Armani, because the Christmas jumper he got off his grandma is shocking at best.

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So your solution is just to fight someone that has well-publicized steroid abuse suspicions because, if Floyd is really an ATG, he'll beat him anyway.
I'm sorry but that's absurd.
If Oscar knew (or was even suspicious) pre-fight that Vargas was juicing, do you honestly think he wouldn't have cared? Oscar has his jaw on the floor right now wondering why the hell WakaSumJuiceInMe doesn't just take a few silly tests. No matter how much you discredit the effects of steroids, an unfair advantage is an unfair advantage. These types of testing procedures have been requested before in championship bouts, but never at this level of the sport. Why shouldn't Floyd set a precedent? PED technology is getting better and they are becoming harder and harder to detect. IMO he's completely within his rights to request USADA testing. He even gave some leeway concerning that, allowing the tests to be conducted by others and giving them a 14 day window before the fight where they'd cut off the random blood tests. In this circumstance Floyd has been beyond reasonable and Manny has only raised more eyebrows over his alleged steroid use. It's beyond suspicious now.

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If its beyond suspicious then you must be claiming that its now fact ? Yes ?. I wish he would take the test, not because I think he is guilty, I'm just sick of reading the unproven allegations from pure haters. It's pathetic in my opinion. And I'm not even a Pac fan, just a fan of boxing.Then again, even if he does test clean, the haters will still accuse him of using PED's previously. You cannot appease true haters.

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If its beyond suspicious then you must be claiming that its now fact ? Yes ?. I wish he would take the test, not because I think he is guilty, I'm just sick of reading the unproven allegations from pure haters like yourself on here. It's pathetic in my opinion. And I'm not even a Pac fan, just a fan of boxing.Then again, even if he does test clean, the haters will still accuse him of using PED's previously. You cannot appease true haters.

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haters gonna hate.

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If its beyond suspicious then you must be claiming that its now fact ? Yes ?. I wish he would take the test, not because I think he is guilty, I'm just sick of reading the unproven allegations from pure haters like yourself on here. It's pathetic in my opinion. And I'm not even a Pac fan, just a fan of boxing.Then again, even if he does test clean, the haters will still accuse him of using PED's previously. You cannot appease true haters.

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haters gonna hate.

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Dont get me wrong, I'm all for a 'clean' sport, and the strongest tests available to ensure there is zero cheating within boxing. But this has to be implemented across the board, and every fighter subjected to these tests. I dont agree with changing the rules and regulations for one fighter, it's bullshit. I know Zab requested it before with Mosley, but Floyd is demanding it, and I think personally he has no right, he isnt the be all and end all. I'm starting think he doesnt want the fight.

Steve Bunce once said that Floyd Mayweather has ducked so many fighters that when he opens his mouth I expect him to 'quack'. ;D

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Originally Posted by Jimmy G-Force

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for a 'clean' sport, and the strongest tests available to ensure there is zero cheating within boxing. But this has to be implemented across the board, and every fighter subjected to these tests. I dont agree with changing the rules and regulations for one fighter, it's bullshit. I know Zab requested it before with Mosley, but Floyd is demanding it, and I think personally he has no right, he isnt the be all and end all. I'm starting think he doesnt want the fight.

Steve Bunce once said that Floyd Mayweather has ducked so many fighters that when he opens his mouth I expect him to 'quack'. ;D

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my bad, i was referring to thebranman's post. to you, jimmy g-force, you're cool. i definitely get what you mean. it's the way mayweather handled it. instead of DEMANDING it, why not let it go through the proper commissions? why do it in the middle of a negotiation? who the hell makes a business deal and then throws in something that could ruin the whole negotiation?

TheBranMan, honestly, you're simply pac-hater. no problem with that, i respect that and you have every right. thing is, you're denying it(or maybe you're not?).

here are just some highlights of my short stay here throughout the failed mayweather-pac ordeal:

-you claim pac forced the march 13 date, when it was actually presented to him and he agreed to it because he really wanted the fight. mayweather made him choose march 13 or may 1. mayweather knows he's running so i guess pac doesn't have much options does he? but then just recently you say pac insisted on the march 13 date and mayweather had to "bow down" to this date.:rolleyes:

-weight and glove size: may was pushing for 154(or something) but pac wanted 147. of course he would that's his fighting weight, or else haters like you would say pac is gonna ask for a catchweight if he fights above that. glove size, 8 or 10 oz. 147 is usually fought with 8 oz, 154 is fought with 10 oz.

-10 million per pound exceeded over 147. take note: EXCEEDED. he wouldn't have to pay 10 million if he followed the weight limit would he?

-everything goes smooth. everyone's surprised it's gone so smooth since we all know floyd and pac loves to drag these negotiations out.

-then comes the extreme, intrusive, haven't been proven "olympics style random blood testing"

-we go about this steroid thing as if we're all scientists on the issue.

-its been stated by victor conte that there were never any positive tests from the hgh blood testing. even though a lot of olympians are on the thing.

-you(thebranman) keep insisting that there are other PEDs that arent being tested. you read an unbiased article stating both sides of the argument(Boxing - Thomas Hauser - Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDs, and Boxing) and say its biased, doesn't take DLH's OPINION into account.

if an article favors pacquiao in the slightest it's biased for you, but if it bashes pac i guess that's unbiased for you.

from what i gather here, and this is my point of view: both fighters arent afraid of each other, they both want the fight. except that mayweather is making it hard for everyone. pacquiao, as guilty as he looks, is being singled out just because he's being phenomenal. he's not taking the tests because as the saying goes with this and other combat sports: you have to prtect yourself at all times. mayweather wants a level playing-field, either cut of some of your height and reach or let pac walk on a few inches of stilts and extends his arms to match mayweather's reach.

bah, im rambling incoherently again. i'm high. didn't proofread.

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Originally Posted by erik_corrales

TheBranMan, honestly, you're simply pac-hater. no problem with that, i respect that and you have every right. thing is, you're denying it(or maybe you're not?).

here are just some highlights of my short stay here throughout the failed mayweather-pac ordeal:

-you claim pac forced the march 13 date, when it was actually presented to him and he agreed to it because he really wanted the fight. mayweather made him choose march 13 or may 1. mayweather knows he's running so i guess pac doesn't have much options does he? but then just recently you say pac insisted on the march 13 date and mayweather had to "bow down" to this date.:rolleyes:

-weight and glove size: may was pushing for 154(or something) but pac wanted 147. of course he would that's his fighting weight, or else haters like you would say pac is gonna ask for a catchweight if he fights above that. glove size, 8 or 10 oz. 147 is usually fought with 8 oz, 154 is fought with 10 oz.

-10 million per pound exceeded over 147. take note: EXCEEDED. he wouldn't have to pay 10 million if he followed the weight limit would he?

-everything goes smooth. everyone's surprised it's gone so smooth since we all know floyd and pac loves to drag these negotiations out.

-then comes the extreme, intrusive, haven't been proven "olympics style random blood testing"

-we go about this steroid thing as if we're all scientists on the issue.

-its been stated by victor conte that there were never any positive tests from the hgh blood testing. even though a lot of olympians are on the thing.

-you(thebranman) keep insisting that there are other PEDs that arent being tested. you read an unbiased article stating both sides of the argument(Boxing - Thomas Hauser - Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDs, and Boxing) and say its biased, doesn't take DLH's OPINION into account.

if an article favors pacquiao in the slightest it's biased for you, but if it bashes pac i guess that's unbiased for you.

from what i gather here, and this is my point of view: both fighters arent afraid of each other, they both want the fight. except that mayweather is making it hard for everyone. pacquiao, as guilty as he looks, is being singled out just because he's being phenomenal. he's not taking the tests because as the saying goes with this and other combat sports: you have to prtect yourself at all times. mayweather wants a level playing-field, either cut of some of your height and reach or let pac walk on a few inches of stilts and extends his arms to match mayweather's reach.

bah, im rambling incoherently again. i'm high. didn't proofread.

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your post don't need proofreading. You've said what many of us here wants to say.

Btw, we all know that branman is a pure hater of pac and a nuthugger of Gayweather. Nothing you say will convince him about pac.