Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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ninjaspy3
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InTheNeutralCorner
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p4pking
That is a load of crap. Manny walked away from the fight because he was opposed to the random testing, for whatever reason you'd like to believe from his camp. Floyd walked away from the fight because Pacquiao wasn't willing to prove that he wasn't in fact on drugs by accepting the tests. It really can't get any more clear cut when you consider how much money was at stake.
Let us clarify that statement. Manny was
opposed to random blood testing less than 24 days before the fight. He is agreeable to unlimited random urine drug test. They
both walked away from the fight because they did not agree on the terms with regards to when the blood testing will last be done prior to the fight.
If let's say Manny do intend to use PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks prior to the fight, does Mayweather think that will be enough of an advantage for Manny. Doesn't he get an advantage himself by his use of xylocaine? Floyd has always insisted that he is the best & the P4P king so he just call in Manny's bluff & beat the shit out of him.
Both of them are at fault for the fight not happening.
That, my friend, is irrelevant.
How many lines of text does it take to explain our way around 1 simple principle?
Its not about how much advantage one could obtain. It's all very simple.
Ready?
Why would anyone not want to take a drug test at -any time-?
How can a test be too close to fight night? How? why? What logical explanation could there be? That's the point. Addressing anything else is simply a distraction from something that is actually very simple in principle.
Have you heard that some people do not want to be dictated upon. I have gone through numerous different forums before I decided to settle on this one. And you have to read the Pacquiao website to understand where he is coming from (I also didn't know why Manny did not want to give in to Floyd's demand with regards to the drug test until I read some of the postings in that forum). When Floyd initially came up with the demand there seems to be an uproar in that forum (I assume that most of the posters are Philippinos) not to give in to the demand. I pressume that this would be the sentiment of their entire country. So for Manny to give in to Floyd's terms would be tantamount to subverting himself in the eyes of his countrymen. This may not be the reason but does it look like a possible logical reason as to why Manny would not agree to Floyd's term? Manny initially wanted the last prefight drug test to be done 30 days before the fight but he did give in & moved it to 24 days before the fight. Manny probably really hates blood test but if it were the Nevada Boxing Commission demanding it, I don't believe he will object. What I consider Team Pacquiao to be guilty of is for being stupid with coming up with different lame excuses. Other than that, there is still no hard evidence that Pacquiao used PEDs. And whatever happened to the supposed to be smoking gun that would implicate Manny, those alleged emails that was exposed by Teddy Atlas? Can anyone tell me where they are or would you be brave enough to admit that they don't exist. And thanks for calling me friend. This healthy debate will not in any way affect our friendship.
Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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InTheNeutralCorner
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ninjaspy3
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InTheNeutralCorner
Let us clarify that statement. Manny was opposed to random blood testing less than 24 days before the fight. He is agreeable to unlimited random urine drug test. They both walked away from the fight because they did not agree on the terms with regards to when the blood testing will last be done prior to the fight. If let's say Manny do intend to use PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks prior to the fight, does Mayweather think that will be enough of an advantage for Manny. Doesn't he get an advantage himself by his use of xylocaine? Floyd has always insisted that he is the best & the P4P king so he just call in Manny's bluff & beat the shit out of him. Both of them are at fault for the fight not happening.
That, my friend, is irrelevant.
How many lines of text does it take to explain our way around 1 simple principle?
Its not about how much advantage one could obtain. It's all very simple.
Ready?
Why would anyone not want to take a drug test at -any time-?
How can a test be too close to fight night? How? why? What logical explanation could there be? That's the point. Addressing anything else is simply a distraction from something that is actually very simple in principle.
Have you heard that some people do not want to be dictated upon. I have gone through numerous different forums before I decided to settle on this one. And you have to read the Pacquiao website to understand where he is coming from (I also didn't know why Manny did not want to give in to Floyd's demand with regards to the drug test until I read some of the postings in that forum). When Floyd initially came up with the demand there seems to be an uproar in that forum (I assume that most of the posters are Philippinos) not to give in to the demand. I pressume that this would be the sentiment of their entire country. So for Manny to give in to Floyd's terms would be tantamount to subverting himself in the eyes of his countrymen. This may not be the reason but does it look like a possible logical reason as to why Manny would not agree to Floyd's term? Manny initially wanted the last prefight drug test to be done 30 days before the fight but he did give in & moved it to 24 days before the fight. Manny probably really hates blood test
but if it were the Nevada Boxing Commission demanding it, I don't believe he will object. What I consider Team Pacquiao to be guilty of is for being stupid with coming up with different lame excuses. Other than that, there is still no hard evidence that Pacquiao used PEDs. And whatever happened to the supposed to be smoking gun that would implicate Manny, those alleged emails that was exposed by Teddy Atlas? Can anyone tell me where they are or would you be brave enough to admit that they don't exist. And thanks for calling me friend. This healthy debate will not in any way affect our friendship.
Manny not wanting to subvert himself, well I suppose that is a start, for another valid reason... but I'm not so sure. I mean, this is only boxing after all. I noted the above comment about Manny accepting if it were the commision demanding it. Unfortunately, the problem with that hypothetical situation is that we will never know. And yes, nothing wrong with a little healthy debate. :)
Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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boxer dude
sticking a needle in your arm and drawing blood makes you feel light headed and weak, compromising at least one day of hard training, if Pac man feels that he does not want to compromise not even one day of hard training 24 days or less before the biggest fight of his life he is well within his rights to turn down that stipulation. the fact that he has no problem taking a pop urine test at any time before the fight pretty much proves that he is clean.
Err, Boxerdude, I am definitely hearing about this for the first time. Drawing a small amount of blood is equal to one hard day of training? I am no where near as good a shape as a professional boxer and I have had blood drawn. I can honestly say that I find this statement to be inaccurate. Anyone else heard of this before?
Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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Dark Lord Al
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jabvargas24
To be fair i could beat PACMAN with plaster gloves on.
lol to be fair I'd put every cent I have and ever will have you couldn't.
Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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Youngblood
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Dark Lord Al
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jabvargas24
To be fair i could beat PACMAN with plaster gloves on.
lol to be fair I'd put every cent I have and ever will have you couldn't.
WOW every cent you have ! a full $10 , big money dude.
Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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Dark Lord Al
To be fair i could beat PACMAN with plaster gloves on.
lol to be fair I'd put every cent I have and ever will have you couldn't.
WOW every cent you have ! a full $10 , big money dude.
lol sik burn bro. :eek:
;D
Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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boxer dude
sticking a needle in your arm and drawing blood makes you feel light headed and weak, compromising at least one day of hard training, if Pac man feels that he does not want to compromise not even one day of hard training 24 days or less before the biggest fight of his life he is well within his rights to turn down that stipulation. the fact that he has no problem taking a pop urine test at any time before the fight pretty much proves that he is clean.
I just like to know if there's any.
What PED can be traced in blood that cannot be detected in urine?
Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac
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ninjaspy3
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Originally Posted by
boxer dude
sticking a needle in your arm and drawing blood makes you feel light headed and weak, compromising at least one day of hard training, if Pac man feels that he does not want to compromise not even one day of hard training 24 days or less before the biggest fight of his life he is well within his rights to turn down that stipulation. the fact that he has no problem taking a pop urine test at any time before the fight pretty much proves that he is clean.
Err, Boxerdude, I am definitely hearing about this for the first time. Drawing a small amount of blood is equal to one hard day of training? I am no where near as good a shape as a professional boxer and I have had blood drawn. I can honestly say that I find this statement to be inaccurate. Anyone else heard of this before?
I work in the healthcare profession & I can tell you the surprises that I encounter everyday. I have seen big muscular men with tattoos who were afraid of a blood draw. And have you ever seen a grown man act like a child before a blood draw? I have. So a lot of things with regards to the blood draw is possible. It must be the sight of the blood or the knowledge that blood will be taken from them that makes them uncomfortable with the procedure. So it didn't surprise me that Manny hates blood draw.
