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    Default Re: Margarito Speaks about Pac

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaspy3 View Post
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    Sorry buddy, but you can't compare those two things.

    Walking away because of drug testing looks suspicious, whereas walking away because the other party doesn't agree to the drug test is... well, maybe a good move.
    I don't believe any of them walked away from the drug test. From my recollection, both of them agreed to the drug testing, they just did not agree on the date it can be last taken prior to the fight (24 days vs 14 days). I just wished that since Manny already agreed to what is beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission, then Floyd should have accepted Manny's terms & we would have been waiting for their fight right now.

    That's a bit of a play on words. A test even as close as 2 days before the fight shouldn't cause a boxer problems.

    I consider myself a pretty rational thinker and I can't come up with many reasons why I would not want to take a drug test randomly.

    So, to reword what I stated so that it cannot be taken out of context:

    Manny walked away from 40 million because of drug testing too close to the fight date, and Floyd walked away from 40 million because Manny wouldn't go for the.. ah, I'm too tired to finish this thought really.
    If you'd want to phrase it that Manny walked away from 40 million because of drug testing too close to the fight date, then you should also be fair and say thet Floyd walked away from 40 million because of drug testing that is not on his terms.
    Let us take Manny's terms. It's random blood drug test 24 days before the fight & in the locker room immediately after the fight. Floyd was not agreeable to this term bec. Manny might use PEDs around the 23rd day up until 5 - 3 days before the fight (hey, they have to make sure it's already out of Manny's system by the time they take the last drug test). So the assumption is that Manny will be on PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks. For crying out loud, Floyd walked away from 40 million bec. of those 2 1/2 weeks!!! Did anyone in this forum even think that Manny is that strong & powerful that 2 1/2 weeks will even matter. I have read here a lot of excuses(and they seem to be valid) as to why Manny beat Dela Hoya, Hatton or Cotto. So that goes to show that he is still considered human & beatable. And to think that Pacquiao is the underdog in that fight with Mayweather. So, we cannot blame just one of them for the fight not happening. I put the blame on both of them, but I had wished that Floyd gave in to the 24 days. And the reason I'm saying this is bec. Manny's term is already beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pijoe View Post
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    Him and Pacquiao would be a fantastic fight.. cheat vs cheat. 10 points goes to whoever can think of a witty promotion name for the fight.
    I'm still waiting for anyone who claims Pacquiao has EVER cheated to provide some sort of proof. IE: gloves with plaster of paris. Not BS internet rumor or speculation. Don't quote as your source Floyd Sr or Roger's claim of 500 yr old A-side meth that makes the user inpregnable to 45-cal bullets. Unless you have proof in-hand when you make an accusation you need to STFU. Otherwise that makes you both a liar and a fool.
    Its dangerous I know, but I will assume that your a Manny fan right? The reason for all the suspicion is that he won't take the test that would clear him. If you don't take the test how can you prove positive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stale_hotdog View Post
    I'm sure there are reasons to be suspicious since Pacquaio didn't agree to the testing. But labeling him a cheat is too premature. Some say why did he walk away from 40 million over a little drug test? I'd ask the same question to Floyd why walk away from 40 million over 10 days ?
    Manny could have walked away because he knew he had been using PED's and it would have become obvious in the resulting fight. PBF could have walked away because he didn't want to risk his legacy against someone who could be using PED's

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    Most PED's can remain in the blood stream for up to a month so the fact that Manny has never tested positive is enough to give him the benefit of the doubt. I believe all fighters are required to take drug tests right after the fight and many fighters have tested positive right after wards, Manny never has.

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    I cant see Margarito ever getting a huge name like Pacquiao to fight him. Margarito will always been seen as a fraud from now on, and rightly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
    I don't believe any of them walked away from the drug test. From my recollection, both of them agreed to the drug testing, they just did not agree on the date it can be last taken prior to the fight (24 days vs 14 days). I just wished that since Manny already agreed to what is beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission, then Floyd should have accepted Manny's terms & we would have been waiting for their fight right now.

    That's a bit of a play on words. A test even as close as 2 days before the fight shouldn't cause a boxer problems.

    I consider myself a pretty rational thinker and I can't come up with many reasons why I would not want to take a drug test randomly.

    So, to reword what I stated so that it cannot be taken out of context:

    Manny walked away from 40 million because of drug testing too close to the fight date, and Floyd walked away from 40 million because Manny wouldn't go for the.. ah, I'm too tired to finish this thought really.
    If you'd want to phrase it that Manny walked away from 40 million because of drug testing too close to the fight date, then you should also be fair and say thet Floyd walked away from 40 million because of drug testing that is not on his terms.
    Let us take Manny's terms. It's random blood drug test 24 days before the fight & in the locker room immediately after the fight. Floyd was not agreeable to this term bec. Manny might use PEDs around the 23rd day up until 5 - 3 days before the fight (hey, they have to make sure it's already out of Manny's system by the time they take the last drug test). So the assumption is that Manny will be on PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks. For crying out loud, Floyd walked away from 40 million bec. of those 2 1/2 weeks!!! Did anyone in this forum even think that Manny is that strong & powerful that 2 1/2 weeks will even matter. I have read here a lot of excuses(and they seem to be valid) as to why Manny beat Dela Hoya, Hatton or Cotto. So that goes to show that he is still considered human & beatable. And to think that Pacquiao is the underdog in that fight with Mayweather. So, we cannot blame just one of them for the fight not happening. I put the blame on both of them, but I had wished that Floyd gave in to the 24 days. And the reason I'm saying this is bec. Manny's term is already beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission.

    That is a load of crap. Manny walked away from the fight because he was opposed to the random testing, for whatever reason you'd like to believe from his camp. Floyd walked away from the fight because Pacquiao wasn't willing to prove that he wasn't in fact on drugs by accepting the tests. It really can't get any more clear cut when you consider how much money was at stake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
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    That's a bit of a play on words. A test even as close as 2 days before the fight shouldn't cause a boxer problems.

    I consider myself a pretty rational thinker and I can't come up with many reasons why I would not want to take a drug test randomly.

    So, to reword what I stated so that it cannot be taken out of context:

    Manny walked away from 40 million because of drug testing too close to the fight date, and Floyd walked away from 40 million because Manny wouldn't go for the.. ah, I'm too tired to finish this thought really.
    If you'd want to phrase it that Manny walked away from 40 million because of drug testing too close to the fight date, then you should also be fair and say thet Floyd walked away from 40 million because of drug testing that is not on his terms.
    Let us take Manny's terms. It's random blood drug test 24 days before the fight & in the locker room immediately after the fight. Floyd was not agreeable to this term bec. Manny might use PEDs around the 23rd day up until 5 - 3 days before the fight (hey, they have to make sure it's already out of Manny's system by the time they take the last drug test). So the assumption is that Manny will be on PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks. For crying out loud, Floyd walked away from 40 million bec. of those 2 1/2 weeks!!! Did anyone in this forum even think that Manny is that strong & powerful that 2 1/2 weeks will even matter. I have read here a lot of excuses(and they seem to be valid) as to why Manny beat Dela Hoya, Hatton or Cotto. So that goes to show that he is still considered human & beatable. And to think that Pacquiao is the underdog in that fight with Mayweather. So, we cannot blame just one of them for the fight not happening. I put the blame on both of them, but I had wished that Floyd gave in to the 24 days. And the reason I'm saying this is bec. Manny's term is already beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission.

    That is a load of crap. Manny walked away from the fight because he was opposed to the random testing, for whatever reason you'd like to believe from his camp. Floyd walked away from the fight because Pacquiao wasn't willing to prove that he wasn't in fact on drugs by accepting the tests. It really can't get any more clear cut when you consider how much money was at stake.
    Let us clarify that statement. Manny was opposed to random blood testing less than 24 days before the fight. He is agreeable to unlimited random urine drug test. They both walked away from the fight because they did not agree on the terms with regards to when the blood testing will last be done prior to the fight. If let's say Manny do intend to use PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks prior to the fight, does Mayweather think that will be enough of an advantage for Manny. Doesn't he get an advantage himself by his use of xylocaine? Floyd has always insisted that he is the best & the P4P king so he just call in Manny's bluff & beat the shit out of him. Both of them are at fault for the fight not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabvargas24 View Post
    Margarito: " I'm the only one who can beat Pacquiao"
    Margarito: "I'm The Only One Who Can Beat Pacquiao" - Boxing News
    To be fair i could beat PACMAN with plaster gloves on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
    If you'd want to phrase it that Manny walked away from 40 million because of drug testing too close to the fight date, then you should also be fair and say thet Floyd walked away from 40 million because of drug testing that is not on his terms.
    Let us take Manny's terms. It's random blood drug test 24 days before the fight & in the locker room immediately after the fight. Floyd was not agreeable to this term bec. Manny might use PEDs around the 23rd day up until 5 - 3 days before the fight (hey, they have to make sure it's already out of Manny's system by the time they take the last drug test). So the assumption is that Manny will be on PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks. For crying out loud, Floyd walked away from 40 million bec. of those 2 1/2 weeks!!! Did anyone in this forum even think that Manny is that strong & powerful that 2 1/2 weeks will even matter. I have read here a lot of excuses(and they seem to be valid) as to why Manny beat Dela Hoya, Hatton or Cotto. So that goes to show that he is still considered human & beatable. And to think that Pacquiao is the underdog in that fight with Mayweather. So, we cannot blame just one of them for the fight not happening. I put the blame on both of them, but I had wished that Floyd gave in to the 24 days. And the reason I'm saying this is bec. Manny's term is already beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission.

    That is a load of crap. Manny walked away from the fight because he was opposed to the random testing, for whatever reason you'd like to believe from his camp. Floyd walked away from the fight because Pacquiao wasn't willing to prove that he wasn't in fact on drugs by accepting the tests. It really can't get any more clear cut when you consider how much money was at stake.
    Let us clarify that statement. Manny was opposed to random blood testing less than 24 days before the fight. He is agreeable to unlimited random urine drug test. They both walked away from the fight because they did not agree on the terms with regards to when the blood testing will last be done prior to the fight. If let's say Manny do intend to use PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks prior to the fight, does Mayweather think that will be enough of an advantage for Manny. Doesn't he get an advantage himself by his use of xylocaine? Floyd has always insisted that he is the best & the P4P king so he just call in Manny's bluff & beat the shit out of him. Both of them are at fault for the fight not happening.
    That, my friend, is irrelevant.
    How many lines of text does it take to explain our way around 1 simple principle?
    Its not about how much advantage one could obtain. It's all very simple.
    Ready?
    Why would anyone not want to take a drug test at -any time-?
    How can a test be too close to fight night? How? why? What logical explanation could there be? That's the point. Addressing anything else is simply a distraction from something that is actually very simple in principle.

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    sticking a needle in your arm and drawing blood makes you feel light headed and weak, compromising at least one day of hard training, if Pac man feels that he does not want to compromise not even one day of hard training 24 days or less before the biggest fight of his life he is well within his rights to turn down that stipulation. the fact that he has no problem taking a pop urine test at any time before the fight pretty much proves that he is clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaspy3 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post


    That is a load of crap. Manny walked away from the fight because he was opposed to the random testing, for whatever reason you'd like to believe from his camp. Floyd walked away from the fight because Pacquiao wasn't willing to prove that he wasn't in fact on drugs by accepting the tests. It really can't get any more clear cut when you consider how much money was at stake.
    Let us clarify that statement. Manny was opposed to random blood testing less than 24 days before the fight. He is agreeable to unlimited random urine drug test. They both walked away from the fight because they did not agree on the terms with regards to when the blood testing will last be done prior to the fight. If let's say Manny do intend to use PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks prior to the fight, does Mayweather think that will be enough of an advantage for Manny. Doesn't he get an advantage himself by his use of xylocaine? Floyd has always insisted that he is the best & the P4P king so he just call in Manny's bluff & beat the shit out of him. Both of them are at fault for the fight not happening.
    That, my friend, is irrelevant.
    How many lines of text does it take to explain our way around 1 simple principle?
    Its not about how much advantage one could obtain. It's all very simple.
    Ready?
    Why would anyone not want to take a drug test at -any time-?
    How can a test be too close to fight night? How? why? What logical explanation could there be? That's the point. Addressing anything else is simply a distraction from something that is actually very simple in principle.
    Have you heard that some people do not want to be dictated upon. I have gone through numerous different forums before I decided to settle on this one. And you have to read the Pacquiao website to understand where he is coming from (I also didn't know why Manny did not want to give in to Floyd's demand with regards to the drug test until I read some of the postings in that forum). When Floyd initially came up with the demand there seems to be an uproar in that forum (I assume that most of the posters are Philippinos) not to give in to the demand. I pressume that this would be the sentiment of their entire country. So for Manny to give in to Floyd's terms would be tantamount to subverting himself in the eyes of his countrymen. This may not be the reason but does it look like a possible logical reason as to why Manny would not agree to Floyd's term? Manny initially wanted the last prefight drug test to be done 30 days before the fight but he did give in & moved it to 24 days before the fight. Manny probably really hates blood test but if it were the Nevada Boxing Commission demanding it, I don't believe he will object. What I consider Team Pacquiao to be guilty of is for being stupid with coming up with different lame excuses. Other than that, there is still no hard evidence that Pacquiao used PEDs. And whatever happened to the supposed to be smoking gun that would implicate Manny, those alleged emails that was exposed by Teddy Atlas? Can anyone tell me where they are or would you be brave enough to admit that they don't exist. And thanks for calling me friend. This healthy debate will not in any way affect our friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaspy3 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner View Post
    Let us clarify that statement. Manny was opposed to random blood testing less than 24 days before the fight. He is agreeable to unlimited random urine drug test. They both walked away from the fight because they did not agree on the terms with regards to when the blood testing will last be done prior to the fight. If let's say Manny do intend to use PEDs for 2 1/2 weeks prior to the fight, does Mayweather think that will be enough of an advantage for Manny. Doesn't he get an advantage himself by his use of xylocaine? Floyd has always insisted that he is the best & the P4P king so he just call in Manny's bluff & beat the shit out of him. Both of them are at fault for the fight not happening.
    That, my friend, is irrelevant.
    How many lines of text does it take to explain our way around 1 simple principle?
    Its not about how much advantage one could obtain. It's all very simple.
    Ready?
    Why would anyone not want to take a drug test at -any time-?
    How can a test be too close to fight night? How? why? What logical explanation could there be? That's the point. Addressing anything else is simply a distraction from something that is actually very simple in principle.
    Have you heard that some people do not want to be dictated upon. I have gone through numerous different forums before I decided to settle on this one. And you have to read the Pacquiao website to understand where he is coming from (I also didn't know why Manny did not want to give in to Floyd's demand with regards to the drug test until I read some of the postings in that forum). When Floyd initially came up with the demand there seems to be an uproar in that forum (I assume that most of the posters are Philippinos) not to give in to the demand. I pressume that this would be the sentiment of their entire country. So for Manny to give in to Floyd's terms would be tantamount to subverting himself in the eyes of his countrymen. This may not be the reason but does it look like a possible logical reason as to why Manny would not agree to Floyd's term? Manny initially wanted the last prefight drug test to be done 30 days before the fight but he did give in & moved it to 24 days before the fight. Manny probably really hates blood test but if it were the Nevada Boxing Commission demanding it, I don't believe he will object. What I consider Team Pacquiao to be guilty of is for being stupid with coming up with different lame excuses. Other than that, there is still no hard evidence that Pacquiao used PEDs. And whatever happened to the supposed to be smoking gun that would implicate Manny, those alleged emails that was exposed by Teddy Atlas? Can anyone tell me where they are or would you be brave enough to admit that they don't exist. And thanks for calling me friend. This healthy debate will not in any way affect our friendship.
    Manny not wanting to subvert himself, well I suppose that is a start, for another valid reason... but I'm not so sure. I mean, this is only boxing after all. I noted the above comment about Manny accepting if it were the commision demanding it. Unfortunately, the problem with that hypothetical situation is that we will never know. And yes, nothing wrong with a little healthy debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxer dude View Post
    sticking a needle in your arm and drawing blood makes you feel light headed and weak, compromising at least one day of hard training, if Pac man feels that he does not want to compromise not even one day of hard training 24 days or less before the biggest fight of his life he is well within his rights to turn down that stipulation. the fact that he has no problem taking a pop urine test at any time before the fight pretty much proves that he is clean.
    Err, Boxerdude, I am definitely hearing about this for the first time. Drawing a small amount of blood is equal to one hard day of training? I am no where near as good a shape as a professional boxer and I have had blood drawn. I can honestly say that I find this statement to be inaccurate. Anyone else heard of this before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jabvargas24 View Post
    Margarito: " I'm the only one who can beat Pacquiao"
    Margarito: "I'm The Only One Who Can Beat Pacquiao" - Boxing News
    To be fair i could beat PACMAN with plaster gloves on.
    lol to be fair I'd put every cent I have and ever will have you couldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngblood View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jabvargas24 View Post
    Margarito: " I'm the only one who can beat Pacquiao"
    Margarito: "I'm The Only One Who Can Beat Pacquiao" - Boxing News
    To be fair i could beat PACMAN with plaster gloves on.
    lol to be fair I'd put every cent I have and ever will have you couldn't.
    WOW every cent you have ! a full $10 , big money dude.

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