Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
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Althugz
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DaxxKahn
U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this
No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.
Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.
When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.
Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)
I personally don't dislike Mayweather...I dislike his attitude in thinking he is bigger then boxing but I have been like that with Many fighters....
EG- The blood test issue...While I always stated it was something I agreed with but on the other hand I also said it is something that has to be implemented by the commission as a whole....IMO today and always is that while these are contracts negotiated between 2 fighters on their own NO fighter can be allowed to overstep his bounds....Is it overstepping? Yes
Leave out the whole clean fighter issue, the whole it is not a fair playing field issue etc fact is if one fighter is allowed to take the further step then the next fighter will do the same....I also said the same about the 10 mil rule for every pound over...Why should Floyd be penalized anything more then what the sport dictates..EG- 100,000 fine, stripped of the title if one was at stake etc....
If they are allowed to start making these demands then you know what in the future and it would be the near future every fighter would start with shit demands...while one fighter may have had a smart idea it would end up with shit like
I can only fight from 2 til 5 on saturdays or I want it in my contract that my Dad is the ring announcer...Y just because they see demands can be made and have to be met if promoters fighters ect want to fight...You can strip every champion of his belt but all you end up with is a sport full nothing more then backyard brawls.....
Floyd while I support his reasoning picked an awful funny time to decide this and with no reason to show suspicion other then personal one....If he is THAT SERIOUS ABOUT THE CAUSE AND SAFETY OF EVERY FIGHTER AND KEEPING THE SPORT PURE WHY DOES HE NOT RALLY THE OTHER FIGHTERS TO MAKE IT MANDATORY?......Don't bother answering because it is a question with no answers.....
As for the copmment on his Opp and time he choose to fight them that one speaks for itself and is not something only I say..
At 140 he chose Gatti as the champion to chase...YET Gatti who we all loved was at the tail end AND tailor made for Floyd....Can you fault Floyd for it? NO but Floyd got out of Dodge real Quick and headed to 147 to fight another soft champion in Baldomir...Then decided to fight Judah who was on the path to self destruction before deciding not to defend his WBC title...Fights DLH at 154 and drop to fight Hatton...The DLH fight was tougher then he expected and he only fought Hatton (not to say he would ever lose to hatton EVER) because Ricky called him out and he had no choice or lose face....
But what about the rest of 147 at the time?...Half the division was ranked in the top 20 P4P....There were 2 undefeated champions, one champion seemed to have a cast iron jaw and the contenders below the champions were better then the champs in most divisions...Yet Floyd decided there is no one left to fight?...But after Margarito was exposed, Williams moved to 154-160. Cotto beaten to a pulp Floyd decides to comeback against a guy who is 2 divisions smaller and had only been in the division that was 2 under him for 2 fights one he was fighting for hi9s life almost literally
am I wrong or am I thinking of another Floyd Mayweather Jr?
But I have said the same about RJJ when he was at LHW, Calzaghe until he finally insisted Warren give him real fighters in their primes, Tyson in the 80's when he was fighting guys like Thomas and Tillis I said don't judge him by the way he opens tomato cans.....etc.....
I go by what is done in the ring...My opp when I dislike a fighter I always state why...I have fighters I am big fans of that have done similar things and call them out on it as well....
I am the biggest LL fan here but I called LL out on things from his career like being cocky, lazy w training etc so please don't say I use personal opp abt fighters to debate things that go on in the ring...
Majesty did a great job with his post and thread...It is just how he see's it....I see it different....
I will say regardless of how we view it he said what he had to and when someone disagreed he did not get all bothered and go off on people...Makes the debate worth having if you know what I mean
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
The simple fact that the most noted and dangerous name on Mayweathers resume is 40 years old (and they havent even fought yet) should tell you something. And the fact that it took a massive earthquake to pretty much force Mayweather into reluctantly taking a fight with Shane should also tell you something. Even if he beats Mosley he still would need to do more to even consider getting the recognition he THINKS he deserves.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
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JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this
No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.
Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.
When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.
Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)
I agree with your post. I'm more sick of endless threads about just 2 fighters rather than with Majesty, I'll admit his post is very well written up & thought out.
Not sick of anything Majesty has to say at all,,,He puts time into his post and can't say I know him to go on endless rants....Like you though I am sick of the topic and these 2 fighters being the single focus of the sport even on threads they are not the topic of
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
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Jimboogie
cotto beat mosley
How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto???
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.... I
strongly believe that if Mosley had taken an immediate rematch (or a rematch at any point) he would of faired much better. (As he always does, I might add)
Mosley showed that if your tough and can put pressure on Cotto, he wilts. Yes Cotto moved beautifully in retreat but he
was wilting, as his successive fights proved.
Mosley is a better fighter than Cotto... Always has been.
Therefore
if Mayweather beats Mosley
convincingly,
it has to be regarded as the biggest scalp for either fighter.
29 yr. old Marco Antonio Barrera > 38 yr. old Mosley
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
the post of majesty actually made me realize that pac has a slightly better resume.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
Pacquiao clearly has the better Resume. Its very hard to determine if we concentrate on subjectivity. Each fighter can be downplayed. coming off a loss moving up in weight blah blah and it can be done on both fighters resume. We better skip that and just look at the numbers and the fighters.
Here we can compare their championship runs and some of their notable fights.
Manny Pacquiao
112 - Sasakul ( Lineal ) WBC
122 - Ledwabba IBF
126 - Barrera ( Lineal ) Ring
130 - Marquez ( Lineal Ring, WBC
135 - Diaz WBC
140 - Hatton ( Lineal ) Ring
147 - Cotto WBO
Other notable wins : Oscar DelaHoya, Erik Morales, Oscar Larios, Joshua Clottey
Floyd Mayweather
130 - Genaro Hernandez (Lineal) WBC
135 - Jose Luis Castillo WBC
140 - Arturo Gatti WBC
147 - Carlos Baldomir ( Lineal ) WBC
154 - Oscar Dela Hoya WBC
Other notable wins : Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, Jesus Chavez, Goyo vargas
MAB Tops anybody on Floyds resume including 38 yr.old Mosley(If Floyd wins).
Sasakul is a better win than Genaro
Barrera is a better win than Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Manuel Marquez is a better win than Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton is a better win than Carlos Baldomir
Miguel Cotto is at worse just as good a win againts Oscar DelaHoya
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
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miron_lang
Pacquiao clearly has the better Resume. Its very hard to determine if we concentrate on subjectivity. Each fighter can be downplayed. coming off a loss moving up in weight blah blah and it can be done on both fighters resume. We better skip that and just look at the numbers and the fighters.
Here we can compare their championship runs and some of their notable fights.
Manny Pacquiao
112 - Sasakul ( Lineal ) WBC
122 - Ledwabba IBF
126 - Barrera ( Lineal ) Ring
130 - Marquez ( Lineal Ring, WBC
135 - Diaz WBC
140 - Hatton ( Lineal ) Ring
147 - Cotto WBO
Other notable wins : Oscar DelaHoya, Erik Morales, Oscar Larios, Joshua Clottey
Floyd Mayweather
130 - Genaro Hernandez (Lineal) WBC
135 - Jose Luis Castillo WBC
140 - Arturo Gatti WBC
147 - Carlos Baldomir ( Lineal ) WBC
154 - Oscar Dela Hoya WBC
Other notable wins : Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, Jesus Chavez, Goyo vargas
MAB Tops anybody on Floyds resume including 38 yr.old Mosley(If Floyd wins).
Sasakul is a better win than Genaro
Barrera is a better win than Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Manuel Marquez is a better win than Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton is a better win than Carlos Baldomir
Miguel Cotto is at worse just as good a win againts Oscar DelaHoya
Your logic is a bit flawed in my opinion. You say JMM is a better win than Gatti but the Gatti win was not controversial it was a clear win and when Floyd fought JMM it was again a CLEAR win.
You say Ricky Hatton is a better win than Baldomir but Floyd had already beaten Hatton.
I don't understand people saying Sasakul was a better win then Genaro when Pac fought him he had only 3 fights outside of Thailand. Sure he was a lineal champ but in a VERY WEAK division.
All this who is the better win stuff is debatable.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
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Caine3078
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miron_lang
Pacquiao clearly has the better Resume. Its very hard to determine if we concentrate on subjectivity. Each fighter can be downplayed. coming off a loss moving up in weight blah blah and it can be done on both fighters resume. We better skip that and just look at the numbers and the fighters.
Here we can compare their championship runs and some of their notable fights.
Manny Pacquiao
112 - Sasakul ( Lineal ) WBC
122 - Ledwabba IBF
126 - Barrera ( Lineal ) Ring
130 - Marquez ( Lineal Ring, WBC
135 - Diaz WBC
140 - Hatton ( Lineal ) Ring
147 - Cotto WBO
Other notable wins : Oscar DelaHoya, Erik Morales, Oscar Larios, Joshua Clottey
Floyd Mayweather
130 - Genaro Hernandez (Lineal) WBC
135 - Jose Luis Castillo WBC
140 - Arturo Gatti WBC
147 - Carlos Baldomir ( Lineal ) WBC
154 - Oscar Dela Hoya WBC
Other notable wins : Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, Jesus Chavez, Goyo vargas
MAB Tops anybody on Floyds resume including 38 yr.old Mosley(If Floyd wins).
Sasakul is a better win than Genaro
Barrera is a better win than Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Manuel Marquez is a better win than Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton is a better win than Carlos Baldomir
Miguel Cotto is at worse just as good a win againts Oscar DelaHoya
Your logic is a bit flawed in my opinion. You say JMM is a better win than Gatti but the Gatti win was not controversial it was a clear win and when Floyd fought JMM it was again a CLEAR win.
You say Ricky Hatton is a better win than Baldomir but Floyd had already beaten Hatton.
I don't understand people saying Sasakul was a better win then Genaro when Pac fought him he had only 3 fights outside of Thailand. Sure he was a lineal champ but in a VERY WEAK division.
All this who is the better win stuff is debatable.
I agree its debatable.
Yes JMM fight was close and disputable but its still a win. and by comparison Gatti was never in the level of Marquez. Yes he's exciting and comes to fight but if you would look at both fighter a Narrow victory over a 130 lb Marquez is so many times better than a dominating win over Arturo Gatti ( RIP) My opinion of course. DO you think JMM and Gatti are even comparable?
It's irritating to go back on this but please be reminded that Hatton was a bit competive againts Floyd at 147lbs where not so long before the fight Hatton appeared not 'optimized' for Welterweights againts Collazo. Pacquiao Kayoed Hatton at 140. A Division Hatton has 0 loss and is the lineal Champion by way of Kostya Tzsyu.
Sasakul is a great Champion(Lineal) and i assume you didnt see the fight. Please watch and compare it to the 32 yr old about to retire Genaro Hernandez.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
^^ IMO people always put too much weight on the Hatton win over Kostya. Hatton fought Kostya when he was like 35 years old and had only one other fight in the previous 29 months, and thats Hattons best victory?
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
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Caine3078
^^ IMO people always put too much weight on the Hatton win over Kostya. Hatton fought Kostya when he was like 35 years old and had only one other fight in the previous 29 months, and thats Hattons best victory?
He also knocked Shambra Mitchell out 6 months earlier in impressive fashion and was p4p number 3, Mosley is 38 but people are saying if he wins it will be Floyds best win so which one is it?
Kosta was unbeaton for 8 years ffs, maybe not in his prime but that was a great win by Hatton.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes
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Originally Posted by
Caine3078
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
Pacquiao clearly has the better Resume. Its very hard to determine if we concentrate on subjectivity. Each fighter can be downplayed. coming off a loss moving up in weight blah blah and it can be done on both fighters resume. We better skip that and just look at the numbers and the fighters.
Here we can compare their championship runs and some of their notable fights.
Manny Pacquiao
112 - Sasakul ( Lineal ) WBC
122 - Ledwabba IBF
126 - Barrera ( Lineal ) Ring
130 - Marquez ( Lineal Ring, WBC
135 - Diaz WBC
140 - Hatton ( Lineal ) Ring
147 - Cotto WBO
Other notable wins : Oscar DelaHoya, Erik Morales, Oscar Larios, Joshua Clottey
Floyd Mayweather
130 - Genaro Hernandez (Lineal) WBC
135 - Jose Luis Castillo WBC
140 - Arturo Gatti WBC
147 - Carlos Baldomir ( Lineal ) WBC
154 - Oscar Dela Hoya WBC
Other notable wins : Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, Jesus Chavez, Goyo vargas
MAB Tops anybody on Floyds resume including 38 yr.old Mosley(If Floyd wins).
Sasakul is a better win than Genaro
Barrera is a better win than Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Manuel Marquez is a better win than Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton is a better win than Carlos Baldomir
Miguel Cotto is at worse just as good a win againts Oscar DelaHoya
I don't understand people saying Sasakul was a better win then Genaro when Pac fought him he had only 3 fights outside of Thailand. Sure he was a lineal champ but in a VERY WEAK division.
Sasakul was not only the lineal champ and Pac beat him for his 1st title but he did it at 19 years old. To become lineal champ at 19 and be considered the man at the division is an extraordinary achievement. That is ultra rare in boxing to do something like that in your teenage years especially given Pacquiao had almost no amateur background and was fighting a physically mature man.
I guarantee you can't even name 5 lineal champions in boxing history that were teenagers.
