Mayweather vs Pacquiao Resumes

[skel1983]

Don't know why Majesty is getting such abuse on this thread all he did was try and express his opinions.

For me I think I can't decide, because they need to fight each other for it to be finally settled.

Manny is the form guy, the exciting, crowd pleaser but Floyd has never lost a fight.

I do think a win over Shane would be a bigger win than anything Manny has so far done so maybe Floyd will have the best bragging rights then, but even then Mosely has lost several fights in his career and so isn't unbeatable.

Ultimately it won't be settled until they fight. Manny's wins over Cotto and Clottey show that size shouldn't be a factor at least, this fight will come down to skill. 2010 has so far been a shit one for boxing with hardly any decent fights in months, hopefully it can end with the big one though.

Thanks Bilbo, it was actually the question I asked you in the Manny Pacquiao is Unbelievable thread that inspired me to do this one.

Mannys win over Barrera in 2003 is much bigger win imo.

[HattonTheHammer]

Don't know why Majesty is getting such abuse on this thread all he did was try and express his opinions.

For me I think I can't decide, because they need to fight each other for it to be finally settled.

Manny is the form guy, the exciting, crowd pleaser but Floyd has never lost a fight.

I do think a win over Shane would be a bigger win than anything Manny has so far done so maybe Floyd will have the best bragging rights then, but even then Mosely has lost several fights in his career and so isn't unbeatable.

Ultimately it won't be settled until they fight. Manny's wins over Cotto and Clottey show that size shouldn't be a factor at least, this fight will come down to skill. 2010 has so far been a shit one for boxing with hardly any decent fights in months, hopefully it can end with the big one though.

Thanks Bilbo, it was actually the question I asked you in the Manny Pacquiao is Unbelievable thread that inspired me to do this one.

Mannys win over Barrera in 2003 is much bigger win imo.

cotto beat mosley

How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto

[skel1983]

Thanks Bilbo, it was actually the question I asked you in the Manny Pacquiao is Unbelievable thread that inspired me to do this one.

Mannys win over Barrera in 2003 is much bigger win imo.

cotto beat mosley

How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto

I think the excuse Cotto has not been the same since the Margarito fight has some significance when talking about that fight, Floyd beating Mosley and Pac beating Cotto are quite even in terms of which is the better win.

[HattonTheHammer]

Mannys win over Barrera in 2003 is much bigger win imo.

cotto beat mosley

How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto

I think the excuse Cotto has not been the same since the Margarito fight has some significance when talking about that fight, Floyd beating Mosley and Pac beating Cotto are quite even in terms of which is the better win.

He got beat by a very good fighter who just so happened to be wearing plaster cast

Cotto came back by tearing through jennings (hardly an acheivement i know) and taking a decision over a very durable clottey

Im really getting sick to death of everyone claiming pacquiao beat shot fighters. Hatton and cotto were by no means shot

[BIG H]

cotto beat mosley

How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto

I think the excuse Cotto has not been the same since the Margarito fight has some significance when talking about that fight, Floyd beating Mosley and Pac beating Cotto are quite even in terms of which is the better win.

He got beat by a very good fighter who just so happened to be wearing plaster cast

Cotto came back by tearing through jennings (hardly an acheivement i know) and taking a decision over a very durable clottey

Im really getting sick to death of everyone claiming pacquiao beat shot fighters. Hatton and cotto were by no means shot

Hatton was close to shot, but I don't think that would've made any difference to the outcome, he just might've gone a few more rounds.

The Cotto of 3 or 4 years earlier would've tested Pac a lot more imo

[skel1983]

cotto beat mosley

How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto

I think the excuse Cotto has not been the same since the Margarito fight has some significance when talking about that fight, Floyd beating Mosley and Pac beating Cotto are quite even in terms of which is the better win.

He got beat by a very good fighter who just so happened to be wearing plaster cast

Cotto came back by tearing through jennings (hardly an acheivement i know) and taking a decision over a very durable clottey

Im really getting sick to death of everyone claiming pacquiao beat shot fighters. Hatton and cotto were by no means shot

Come on mate Jennings lol but Pac's resume is alot better imo. I like the way Morales was shot in the second fight even though he was the betting favourite going in? Hatton had already been beaton by Mayweather but that was at 147, in a division Hatton had already looked out of his depth against a B standard fighter in Collazo, where as Pac destroyed him in two rounds in a division he was unbeaton in and the lineal champ for just under 4 years, but then you could say the Dela Hoyas win was much more impressive when Floyd beat him.

Overall i am not bashing Floyd but it is hard not to pick holes when you have Majesty making threads/posts about Mayweather every ten minutes the guy couldn't give a impartial opinion if you paid him a million dollers.

[HattonTheHammer]

I think the excuse Cotto has not been the same since the Margarito fight has some significance when talking about that fight, Floyd beating Mosley and Pac beating Cotto are quite even in terms of which is the better win.

He got beat by a very good fighter who just so happened to be wearing plaster cast

Cotto came back by tearing through jennings (hardly an acheivement i know) and taking a decision over a very durable clottey

Im really getting sick to death of everyone claiming pacquiao beat shot fighters. Hatton and cotto were by no means shot

Hatton was close to shot, but I don't think that would've made any difference to the outcome, he just might've gone a few more rounds.

The Cotto of 3 or 4 years earlier would've tested Pac a lot more imo

im just about gay for hatton but even i would tell you the hatton that beat tszyu would still of got banged out by pacquiao in the manner that he did

Same thing with cotto, the very man who fought mosley, judah. torres etc would still of get annihilated in with pacquiao

The guys superhuman, a complete freak of nature who punches like a middleweight and throws them like a lightweight

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

cotto beat mosley How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... I strongly believe that if Mosley had taken an immediate rematch (or a rematch at any point) he would of faired much better. (As he always does, I might add)

Mosley showed that if your tough and can put pressure on Cotto, he wilts. Yes Cotto moved beautifully in retreat but he was wilting, as his successive fights proved.

Mosley is a better fighter than Cotto... Always has been.

Therefore if Mayweather beats Mosley convincingly, it has to be regarded as the biggest scalp for either fighter.

[Althugz]

dont mind people believing floyd will beat manny and is fave going into that fight if it were to ever happen, but surely nobody can claim floyd has a better resume than pacquiao

floyds beaten hatton and marquez in the last 3 years

pacquiaos done that + barrera, cotto, de la hoya, clottey and diaz

Yeah but we're not looking at the last 3 years are we? We're looking at overall.

Overall, their resumes are a lot closer than people give Mayweather credit for..Is it better? Maybe..maybe not.

I can see the arguement for either side but if PBF's result against Mosley is positive it is as close as can be and perhaps advantage Floyd.

The point is if you dislike Floyd...You'll say he fought De La Hoya instead of a legit welterweight and he didn't put in a virtuoso performance like Pacquiauo did.

If you like Floyd, you'll say Floyd took on an even bigger challenge than any welterweight out there at the time by moving up in weight and conceding all advantages and winning. Where as Pac beat a corpse of De La Hoya which seemed to be no challenge at all.

For this reason, nobody will ever agree and why I think it is stupid to flame anybody who expresses an opinion in this particular type of thread.

There are no facts in threads like this. Just biased opinions based on who you like/dislike

[JazMerkin]

U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.

Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.

When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.

Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)

I agree with your post. I'm more sick of endless threads about just 2 fighters rather than with Majesty, I'll admit his post is very well written up & thought out.

I know Pacquiao just fought but we don't need another thread on this & I'm not the only one frustrated with it. Most people dislike or like one fighter more than the other & make their decision on that.

The simple fact is that both these guys have the best resumes in the sport there are only a handful of active guys who's resumes are even comparable (JMM, Mosley, Cotto, Jermain Taylor, Hopkins), although I feel all but JMM & Cotto's probably fall short. Anyone who says one fighter has a much better resume is an idiot. Either way it's narrow. I'm just going to copy the post I made in your thread.


Their resumes are basically equivalent, although I'd give Manny a slight edge as of right now, although should both win their next fights, I think the Mosley win would push Mayweather's just ahead. The easiest way to look at is the number of hall of famers they have both faced.

Pacquiao: (Certain HoFers) Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya (Probable) Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Chatchai Sasakul (Possible but unlikely) Oscar Larios

Mayweather: (Certain HoFers) Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya (Probable) Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton (Possible but unlikely) Zab Judah, Jesus Chavez

So that's pretty close to even, but with Pacquiao having a slight edge. Part of the whole 'ducking' issue also comes down to where people watch fights. Anything below Lightweight doesn't get much attention, even among many fans. You can make an argument that Mayweather should have fought Margarito or Cotto, however you can equally make the same argument for Pacquiao with the likes of Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell or Humberto Soto at the lower weights. In the end, both have taken more than enough dangerous fights and have probably the best resumes in the sport and once their careers are over, the fights they 'ducked' will be forgotten in favour of realizing just how many dangerous opponents they fought.

[DaxxKahn]

U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.

Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.

When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.

Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)

I personally don't dislike Mayweather...I dislike his attitude in thinking he is bigger then boxing but I have been like that with Many fighters....

EG- The blood test issue...While I always stated it was something I agreed with but on the other hand I also said it is something that has to be implemented by the commission as a whole....IMO today and always is that while these are contracts negotiated between 2 fighters on their own NO fighter can be allowed to overstep his bounds....Is it overstepping? Yes

Leave out the whole clean fighter issue, the whole it is not a fair playing field issue etc fact is if one fighter is allowed to take the further step then the next fighter will do the same....I also said the same about the 10 mil rule for every pound over...Why should Floyd be penalized anything more then what the sport dictates..EG- 100,000 fine, stripped of the title if one was at stake etc....

If they are allowed to start making these demands then you know what in the future and it would be the near future every fighter would start with shit demands...while one fighter may have had a smart idea it would end up with shit like

I can only fight from 2 til 5 on saturdays or I want it in my contract that my Dad is the ring announcer...Y just because they see demands can be made and have to be met if promoters fighters ect want to fight...You can strip every champion of his belt but all you end up with is a sport full nothing more then backyard brawls.....

Floyd while I support his reasoning picked an awful funny time to decide this and with no reason to show suspicion other then personal one....If he is THAT SERIOUS ABOUT THE CAUSE AND SAFETY OF EVERY FIGHTER AND KEEPING THE SPORT PURE WHY DOES HE NOT RALLY THE OTHER FIGHTERS TO MAKE IT MANDATORY?......Don't bother answering because it is a question with no answers.....

As for the copmment on his Opp and time he choose to fight them that one speaks for itself and is not something only I say..

At 140 he chose Gatti as the champion to chase...YET Gatti who we all loved was at the tail end AND tailor made for Floyd....Can you fault Floyd for it? NO but Floyd got out of Dodge real Quick and headed to 147 to fight another soft champion in Baldomir...Then decided to fight Judah who was on the path to self destruction before deciding not to defend his WBC title...Fights DLH at 154 and drop to fight Hatton...The DLH fight was tougher then he expected and he only fought Hatton (not to say he would ever lose to hatton EVER) because Ricky called him out and he had no choice or lose face....

But what about the rest of 147 at the time?...Half the division was ranked in the top 20 P4P....There were 2 undefeated champions, one champion seemed to have a cast iron jaw and the contenders below the champions were better then the champs in most divisions...Yet Floyd decided there is no one left to fight?...But after Margarito was exposed, Williams moved to 154-160. Cotto beaten to a pulp Floyd decides to comeback against a guy who is 2 divisions smaller and had only been in the division that was 2 under him for 2 fights one he was fighting for hi9s life almost literally

am I wrong or am I thinking of another Floyd Mayweather Jr?

But I have said the same about RJJ when he was at LHW, Calzaghe until he finally insisted Warren give him real fighters in their primes, Tyson in the 80's when he was fighting guys like Thomas and Tillis I said don't judge him by the way he opens tomato cans.....etc.....

I go by what is done in the ring...My opp when I dislike a fighter I always state why...I have fighters I am big fans of that have done similar things and call them out on it as well....

I am the biggest LL fan here but I called LL out on things from his career like being cocky, lazy w training etc so please don't say I use personal opp abt fighters to debate things that go on in the ring...

Majesty did a great job with his post and thread...It is just how he see's it....I see it different....

I will say regardless of how we view it he said what he had to and when someone disagreed he did not get all bothered and go off on people...Makes the debate worth having if you know what I mean

[cleveland steamer]

The simple fact that the most noted and dangerous name on Mayweathers resume is 40 years old (and they havent even fought yet) should tell you something. And the fact that it took a massive earthquake to pretty much force Mayweather into reluctantly taking a fight with Shane should also tell you something. Even if he beats Mosley he still would need to do more to even consider getting the recognition he THINKS he deserves.

[DaxxKahn]

U take personal opp and mix it in...Stick w nothing but facts when you do write ups like this

No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.

Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.

When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.

Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)

I agree with your post. I'm more sick of endless threads about just 2 fighters rather than with Majesty, I'll admit his post is very well written up & thought out.

Not sick of anything Majesty has to say at all,,,He puts time into his post and can't say I know him to go on endless rants....Like you though I am sick of the topic and these 2 fighters being the single focus of the sport even on threads they are not the topic of

[miron_lang]

cotto beat mosley How the hell would mayweather beating mosley exceed pacquiao beating cotto

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... I strongly believe that if Mosley had taken an immediate rematch (or a rematch at any point) he would of faired much better. (As he always does, I might add)

Mosley showed that if your tough and can put pressure on Cotto, he wilts. Yes Cotto moved beautifully in retreat but he was wilting, as his successive fights proved.

Mosley is a better fighter than Cotto... Always has been.

Therefore if Mayweather beats Mosley convincingly, it has to be regarded as the biggest scalp for either fighter.

29 yr. old Marco Antonio Barrera > 38 yr. old Mosley

[mnmc10]

the post of majesty actually made me realize that pac has a slightly better resume.