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I'm in complete shock...
Why RIP for Valero? Mar's post brings up my exact thoughts on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Why should Valero rip he took his wifes life then killed himself, the b*****d.He had some demons yes so why did'nt he get help.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
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Originally Posted by Mar
WOOOOOOOOWWWWW.. what a shocker. i feel bad for his kids tho.. losing both parents. i hope he put something away for them at least.
Rest In Peace to his beautiful wife for sure.. But, I was seriously looking forward to a book being inked by him while in the slammer man.....Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
was just watching his last fight ever against de marco and remember thinking to myself at the time how great it would be to see matchups like valero-khan, valero-marquez etc
Gutting that we`ll always wonder how great a fighter this guy could of been and the legacy he could of left in the sport
27-0 and dead, heartbreaking
:mad::mad::mad:
It seems he had a big drinking problem and became violent when drunk. Remember he was denied a visa to the US because of a drunk driving charge and it was also reported he was drinking when he put her in the hospital with broken ribs. My guess is he was remorseful every time it happened and she kept forgiving him. Maybe this time she wasn't around to forgive his drinking and beating tirade so he off himself. 'Just a guess'Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyand when he attacked her before?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Another two deaths and HBO will have a sequel.
Alcohol - the route of all evil
This is terrible. :(
It's easy to judge the guy, but we don't know what problems he had in his head (especially considering the motorcycle accident in 2001.) Brain damage is very, very serious and there is a strong possibility that boxing amplified the effects of his injuries in recent times, causing an imbalance of sorts, instability...
I'm not excusing the murder of his wife, she didn't deserve that of course, but just saying we shouldn't be so hell bent on verbally hammering the guy when we know nothing of him but what we read in the news and see in the ring. Only he knew himself what his train of thought was, and only those closest to him can state whether or not he was a changed man or the Edwin Valero they always knew.
This might be controversial, but rest in peace to both Edwin (conditional) and his wife, 2 lives needlessly lost. :eek:
Who gives a fuck if he was talented? he killed a mother, a sister a 20 year old woman and he should have been killed for it so it's good he's dead now.
Seriously, I feel the same way...Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
Fuck him. I enjoyed watching him fight and he was superbly powerful and a solid boxer but he showed that he's nothing more than a troubled bully.
Sad for his family but everyone quit sucking his dick cuz he was a good fighter. Imagine that his wife was your sister or daughter and see if you feel the same way.
Him offing himslef was for the best because he was only going to get worse in the head after undergoing a trial and subsiquent sentencing
Peace out Valero... Boo fuckin hoo :mad:
Hang on. Am I missing something here ? What's with all the RIP messages ? The FUCKA killed his wife. He should ROT IN HELL !!! The thing is, now he's probably go down as a great fighter whose career was cut short, in sort of the same way that Salvador Sanchez is. Listen - He was lucky that he never fought anyone of merit. Let's not even talk about Floyd or Manny. I think a Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah would wipe the floor with him.
Should read:
"Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure."
Geez, and I thought this was going to be the big Pacquiao fight in a year. Just too, too bad. All of a sudden teh LW division doesn't look all that stacked, after all.
I'm still in shock from the fact he killed his wife!
That's two very talented boxers (that I know of) that have taken their lives withing the last 6 months or so. A real shame.
He had some major problems though, just 6 weeks after his last fight he was in a substance abuse clinic. I don't think you can excuse any of it, the fact is the guy has probably always been fucked up and just got worse as he got older, not helped by all the drink and drugs he was going through.
From what I've rea, he'd beat his wife up on more than one occasion, just a few days ago she "fell down some stairs". Sad for boxing.
I wonder how he passed all of the drug tests? The only person he could have fought would have been Pac, there is no chance he would have got through Floyd's drug testing regime!
He had a tattoo of Hugo Chavez on his chest.. *cues Nas- It Ain't Hard to Tell*Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
To be honest I'd like to piss on this guys grave.
Neither Floyd or Pacquiao are going to go below 140lbs now. Floyd won't go below 147. Why are people talking like those fights EVER had a chance of being made... Cuz he beat Demarco at 135lbs? He had decnt boxing skills and great power but how anyone thinks he'd be a threat to any elite fighters 12 lbs north is crazy to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
He'd have done damage at 135 but that's about it. Any of the elite 140lbers would have lit him up like a christmas tree. Bradley and Alexander would have made him look absolutly stupid.
He killed his wife.
Good riddance.
Edwin Valero's two children, who are 8 and 5 years old, are staying with their grandmother. They have now lost two parents within 48 hours, their father murdering their mother, and then taking his own life. That's something they'll have to try to understand and live with for the rest of their livesThose two children have entire lives to live. I send my heart felt sympathies to the children and families of Jennifer Carolina Viera and Edwin Valero. None of this is going to be easy for anybody who knew the couple. I can't even imagine being in the position they're in now. May the Lord comfort their souls.
Im just shocked/broken I loved him as a fighter and saw great things coming from him. :(
This whole thing is just tragic. His kids are going to have to live with this for the rest of their lives and have to try and understand at some point what happened...just horrible
Wow shocking i went on a trip today so i haven't seen the news, because i've just got back. Im literally speechless unbelievable.
....no it's the cause of and solution to all of life's troubles.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
This is a really tragic day for boxing....and it's not like Edwin wasn't offered help either. This was TOTALLY avoidable!!! I bet you money either Edwin had brain damage from his accident (forms of which can make your emotions hard to control) which would have been exacerbated by boxing or the guy was bi-polar or schizo and was "self medicating" with alcohol and perhaps other drugs.
It has nothing to do with boxing.
Valero was clearly a sick fuck. People that know him said he was a control freak. His wife wasn't allowed to leave the home. Seems like his family was terrified of him. There were recent reports of him beating his mum and sister as well as his wife.
....he's identified in the news as "a champion boxer" so ergo it's bad for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
:jawdrop: His mother and sister as well:confused: Like if what he did to his wife wasn't already serious enough. I didn't know neither he had two kids... a very very sad day and the guy was seriously disturbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It's sad all the way around and for me the boxing fan it's made a bit sadder because he was special in the ring. I wasn't so sure of that previously but after his last bout I was convinced. It has everything to do with boxing btw, he was a boxer and boxing provided an opportunity for him to live a good life had he chosen to. Plus, he was super talented and coming off his career best performance where he showed improvement and proved he was more then just the KO. That's what he should have been remembered for.
I'm not going to speculate on what caused his downfall, I don't know him. He definitely was a wild man though. I feel bad for his family and this is just a terrible page in the book of boxing tragedies. I'll try my best not to judge him for what he did, terrible as it may be. RIP.
Was there no male over 145lbs in that family to put the hobbit in his place?... anyway. whatever. It's kind of a moot point. Sad for the whole of the family... Both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless:jawdrop: His mother and sister as well:confused: Like if what he did to his wife wasn't already serious enough. I didn't know neither he had two kids... a very very sad day and the guy was seriously disturbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
He's just a boxer that committed murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle....he's identified in the news as "a champion boxer" so ergo it's bad for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Nobody outside the hardcore knew of him. Nobody with an ounce of a brain cell will relate a man stabbing his wife then killing himself with boxing.
The biggest tragedy is that in the space of two days, his children's world has fallen apart. They've lost both their parents. Valero obviously had major problems, what he did was disgusting, but to think he just did it for the sake of it is naive. Many are claiming that he had been mentally unwell for quite some time and nobody, not his manager or even Hugo Chavez were able to help him.
It's a tragedy that a beautiful young woman and mother has been lost, and whatever way you look at suicide, I think Valero decided on his own sentence. The parallels with Monzon are chilling. The one thing I would point out is that this kind of case happens all the time all over the world. The police were unable to arrest Valero because his wife said she fell down the stairs. This was no more preventable in Venezuela than it would have been in Venice Beach.
RIP to Jennifer Viera & all the other women who die in similar circumstances.
Actually the Cuban exile program was government ordered and he was supposed to have a police escort at all times in order to prevent him from harming his wife again. He "evaded" them on the night of the murder. All these were stipulations to him staying out of jail, which is what the prosecutor asked the judge for. So in all actuality this should have been prevented, people around him, even the judge, had known that this result was entirely possible.
Thing is, people make comments as if Valero was 100 percent sane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missybecause he didn't want to or couldn't figure out how to. People act like hamsters on a wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifWhy should Valero rip he took his wifes life then killed himself, the b*****d.He had some demons yes so why did'nt he get help.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Why do people continue to smoke knowing it increases their chances of getting cancer?
The guy obviously had some mental issues that he needed help on. This reminds me of the Chris Benoit incident almost.
Valero to me and from what i've been reading seems like he had some very huge mental problems, possibly a chemical imbalance or something. the guy should have been put in a psych ward where he could have gotten help.
I call bullshit on people saying that he couldn't have gotten help or that his promoter couldn't find a way to help him, thats bullshit, the promoter HAD a way to help him, but the only way it could happen would be putting him in a psych ward which would have effectively ended his boxing career probably. I'm willing to bet the people around him business wise only used options of helping him that would have NOT ended his boxing career, and that is their fault for being selfish people, so what if it ends his boxing career? At least this stuff wouldn't have happened.
Not only that but he was a drinker and an alcohol abuser, and all that mixed together only is a recipe for disaster.
If he wasn't sane enough to get himself admitted into a mental facility then people around him who cared about him should have done it for his own good. Cause leaving a guy like that on the street without help is idiotic and can only lead to disaster when he fully spirals out of control.
Ive been through situations where I've had friends with disorders just discovering it, and I'd help admit them into the psych ward because that's where they needed to be. Cause it's downright scary watching someone completely wig out when something has mentally gone wrong.
The people around Valero, his promoters, his family, yes even his wife, should have admitted him somewhere.
And if his wife actually did drop the charges when he first beat her, then that was the worst possible thing she could have done for her, and for him.
Her dropping the charges against her husband, is what lead to her death, and his death.
I don't care how much you love someone, you don't drop those kinds of charges or what do you expect to happen?
The moment he put his hands on her and injured her, she should have got him arrested and not dropped the charges, he'd have gotten a psychiatric evaluation and I can guarantee you they would have found something wrong in his head, something mentally wrong, and he'd have been treated and medicated for it, he'd have spent time away in a psych ward for a few years maybe or even maybe for his life and needed supervised visits to see his children.
Maybe his boxing career would be over, but at least he'd be getting help, and his wife would be alive, and his children would be with both parents. There are times when boxing doesn't matter anymore. If his promoters or the people around him cared enough to END his boxing career by putting him in a psych ward then this kinda stuff wouldn't have happened, but they wanted to keep his boxing career going by doing the bare minimums, because i can guarantee you if they had tried everything to help this guy he wouldn't be a boxer anymore, he'd be getting help in a psych ward and his career would be over. But if they just went bare minimum to try to keep his boxing career alive then they are just as much to blame for this.
And I hate to say it but if it's true that his wife dropped charges against him because she loved him, which ultimately caused to nothing being done about it, then it was that selfish act out of love that caused this entire downward spiral to happen.
RIP Mr and Mrs Valero. I hope people learn from this. If someone has a problem, GET THEM HELP! If you don't only the worst can happen.
.. A part of the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThing is, people make comments as if Valero was 100 percent sane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missybecause he didn't want to or couldn't figure out how to. People act like hamsters on a wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Why do people continue to smoke knowing it increases their chances of getting cancer?
The guy obviously had some mental issues that he needed help on. This reminds me of the Chris Benoit incident almost.
Valero to me and from what i've been reading seems like he had some very huge mental problems, possibly a chemical imbalance or something. the guy should have been put in a psych ward where he could have gotten help.
I call bullshit on people saying that he couldn't have gotten help or that his promoter couldn't find a way to help him, thats bullshit, the promoter HAD a way to help him, but the only way it could happen would be putting him in a psych ward which would have effectively ended his boxing career probably. I'm willing to bet the people around him business wise only used options of helping him that would have NOT ended his boxing career, and that is their fault for being selfish people, so what if it ends his boxing career? At least this stuff wouldn't have happened.
Not only that but he was a drinker and an alcohol abuser, and all that mixed together only is a recipe for disaster.
If he wasn't sane enough to get himself admitted into a mental facility then people around him who cared about him should have done it for his own good. Cause leaving a guy like that on the street without help is idiotic and can only lead to disaster when he fully spirals out of control.
Ive been through situations where I've had friends with disorders just discovering it, and I'd help admit them into the psych ward because that's where they needed to be. Cause it's downright scary watching someone completely wig out when something has mentally gone wrong.
The people around Valero, his promoters, his family, yes even his wife, should have admitted him somewhere.
And if his wife actually did drop the charges when he first beat her, then that was the worst possible thing she could have done for her, and for him.
Her dropping the charges against her husband, is what lead to her death, and his death.
I don't care how much you love someone, you don't drop those kinds of charges or what do you expect to happen?
The moment he put his hands on her and injured her, she should have got him arrested and not dropped the charges, he'd have gotten a psychiatric evaluation and I can guarantee you they would have found something wrong in his head, something mentally wrong, and he'd have been treated and medicated for it, he'd have spent time away in a psych ward for a few years maybe or even maybe for his life and needed supervised visits to see his children.
Maybe his boxing career would be over, but at least he'd be getting help, and his wife would be alive, and his children would be with both parents.
I hate to say it but if it's true that his wife dropped charges against him because she loved him, which ultimately caused to nothing being done about it, then it was that selfish act out of love that caused this entire downward spiral to happen.
RIP Mr and Mrs Valero. I hope people learn from this. If someone has a problem, GET THEM HELP! If you don't only the worst can happen.
When someone is mentally imbalanced you don't drop charges against them regardless on how much you love them if you love them then get them the help they need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre.. A part of the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThing is, people make comments as if Valero was 100 percent sane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
The guy obviously had some mental issues that he needed help on. This reminds me of the Chris Benoit incident almost.
Valero to me and from what i've been reading seems like he had some very huge mental problems, possibly a chemical imbalance or something. the guy should have been put in a psych ward where he could have gotten help.
I call bullshit on people saying that he couldn't have gotten help or that his promoter couldn't find a way to help him, thats bullshit, the promoter HAD a way to help him, but the only way it could happen would be putting him in a psych ward which would have effectively ended his boxing career probably. I'm willing to bet the people around him business wise only used options of helping him that would have NOT ended his boxing career, and that is their fault for being selfish people, so what if it ends his boxing career? At least this stuff wouldn't have happened.
Not only that but he was a drinker and an alcohol abuser, and all that mixed together only is a recipe for disaster.
If he wasn't sane enough to get himself admitted into a mental facility then people around him who cared about him should have done it for his own good. Cause leaving a guy like that on the street without help is idiotic and can only lead to disaster when he fully spirals out of control.
Ive been through situations where I've had friends with disorders just discovering it, and I'd help admit them into the psych ward because that's where they needed to be. Cause it's downright scary watching someone completely wig out when something has mentally gone wrong.
The people around Valero, his promoters, his family, yes even his wife, should have admitted him somewhere.
And if his wife actually did drop the charges when he first beat her, then that was the worst possible thing she could have done for her, and for him.
Her dropping the charges against her husband, is what lead to her death, and his death.
I don't care how much you love someone, you don't drop those kinds of charges or what do you expect to happen?
The moment he put his hands on her and injured her, she should have got him arrested and not dropped the charges, he'd have gotten a psychiatric evaluation and I can guarantee you they would have found something wrong in his head, something mentally wrong, and he'd have been treated and medicated for it, he'd have spent time away in a psych ward for a few years maybe or even maybe for his life and needed supervised visits to see his children.
Maybe his boxing career would be over, but at least he'd be getting help, and his wife would be alive, and his children would be with both parents.
I hate to say it but if it's true that his wife dropped charges against him because she loved him, which ultimately caused to nothing being done about it, then it was that selfish act out of love that caused this entire downward spiral to happen.
RIP Mr and Mrs Valero. I hope people learn from this. If someone has a problem, GET THEM HELP! If you don't only the worst can happen.
if someone is mentally imbalanced and you don't get them help because you love them and it could ruin them, then it's going to always happen until a tragedy. What people must understand is if someone has a mental condition they aren't in their state of mind, they aren't gonna think that you didnt report them and love isn't gonna be a factor, it's just gonna get worse and worse and worse, this is a prime example of what can happen if you let things stand because you don't want to end a boxing career. Life is more important then boxing.
Agreed but she isnt wholly to blame here there are many other variants.
We all know even if she did charge him he would get out soon enough and maybe even hunt her down for it.
He allowed this crap to fester in himself.
Women are easier victims than us too, they're usually romantically foolish ,easily scared, or have a great faith that all things work out in love.
I agree if all women were like blokes then girl beaters would be either charged or woken at 3 am one morning with their both knee caps removed.
I agree she isnt wholly responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
But like ive been reading these promoters and etc say he's had these problems for a while and I wonder why they never put him in a psych ward. And what I think it came down to is if they had put him in a psych ward or gotten him mental help it would have ended his boxing career, they didn't want to take that route and it ultimately cost everything. That was the biggest mistake they could have made.
Valero Denied The Murder, Relatives Reveal Dark Secrets - Boxing News
Really just a sick sounding dude, beating his mother I mean for fuck's sake who beats their mother? Not to imply that beating your wife is somehow more all right, its just more common. Doug Fischer, the guy at the Ring Magazine Online who was THE Valero hype guy in the media for years, five years or so since he was just building a name sparring in California, talked about how he was told by Valero's trainer how Valero wouldn't let his wife leave the apartment they had in California, just a complete control freak.
And Andre Berto :cwm13:
The Lead Graf Blog Archive Boxer Andre Berto Puts Foot In Mouth, Seems To Blame Edwin Valero’s Wife For Murder/Suicide -
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Damn, got to say as someone who regularly wishes he could retract things he said in haste on public forums I do feel a bit for Berto.
That was pretty wildly innapropriate though.
Wow, fuck some of the people on here.
Sure Valero did some unforgivable shit in murdering his wife, but who are we to condem another human being? Do we know his whole life story, what led him down this path?
It's really easy and cowardly to lay blame as as something looking in from the outside, but who of us hasn't done something we aren't ashamed of? Who cares if its murder or not. Unless you lived a perfect life in the most difficult of circumstances you have NO SAY whatsoever, and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
I am not saying he wasn't absolutely wrong in killing his wife, but people with mental disorders do things that aren't normal, and with being both a boxer and a guy who survived bad accident(with brain injury) who knows what could have happened to his brain. Either way, like I said, we mourne the lose of both of them because it is a tragedy, and regardless of a what a person does in their life we do not deserve to lay judgement on them.
How many on here have cheated on their significant other, how many have stolen, how many have lied?
Just with Chris Benoit suicide
read the bottom of his death
Chris Benoit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
brain damage is linked to people acting this way before.
Sadly I think boxing will get the blame rather then the people and the promoters around him not getting him the maximum help he needed cause they wanted to keep his career alive.
I think the man in your sig and a few others may have a thing or two to say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He did have a great record though.
Where does this come from? First off, I really doubt boxing will get the blame. There's no reason for it to. Secondly, how the hell are his promoters automatically evil here and deserve blame for this heinous event?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
If he had any problem, it's VERY obvious from statements from those that knew him that that problem was drugs.