I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance

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Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?

Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.

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Morals are you kidding me? Morales? LOL. Money Mayweather is a character that Floyd uses to boost ticket sales, because with that barvado people will pay to see him lose. When the real Floyd comes through is when after the fight he immediately starts talking about needing to do something with all four of his kids. Cant see how you can question that

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Floyds timing would be way too much for pac and he WOULD DEFINITLEY KO PAC. Remember that I professed this everyone. And for all those who want to attack me for saying this be careful because I WILL remember lol

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I agree with you...frankly i am surprised at all the hate Mayweather is receiving after a brilliant performance.

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I've been here 5 years and i'm not surprised ;)

i dont think pacmans work rate will be so high against floyd, a fighter like floyd will hit u and hit u hard in between ur combos, he ill adjust just like he did against mosely and it will just look like it wasnt pacmans "night"

I love PAC, but PAC will be slower/shorter than Mayweather and has very penetrable defense. I give Manny a puncher's chance:eek:

I think people forget that Manny isn't the same whirlwind against movement, we've seen Marquez and Barrera significantly reduce his offensive effectiveness and output by using distance.

Also Pacquaio can only use angles if Mayweather allows him to close the gap, otherwise the only option Pacquiao has is to come straight forward at Mayweather and Floyd will see him coming. In a fight between two truly ATG's I think Floyd is just too well rounded, and Manny will never have instinctive skills that Floyd possesses. Manny is truly great and already a top 15 p4p, but Floyd is better than him.

Floyd stops Pacquiao in less than 8 no doubt in my mind

I totally disagree with eveyone (that's everyone that agrees with GB).

I've never given Pac much chance against Floyd but now believe he will KO him. Or get KO'd. Either way someone will be KO'd.

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I totally disagree with eveyone (that's everyone that agrees with GB).

I've never given Pac much chance against Floyd but now believe he will KO him. Or get KO'd. Either way someone will be KO'd.

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So I guess you're going with that someone in the fight will get ko and not go the distance?

I think Floyd takes it by UD, no ko of Pac. It probably be competitive for say the 1st 3 maybe 4 rounds then Floyd cruises for a UD.

Floyd starts slow, Pac starts fast. I think Pac's best hope is to stop him early because if it goes on I think Mayweather will stop him with accumulation. Either Roach throws in the towel or the ref will save him. It's not a foregone conclusion though, it's a fight between two ATGs no way is it an easy call.

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I think people forget that Manny isn't the same whirlwind against movement, we've seen Marquez and Barrera significantly reduce his offensive effectiveness and output by using distance.

Also Pacquaio can only use angles if Mayweather allows him to close the gap, otherwise the only option Pacquiao has is to come straight forward at Mayweather and Floyd will see him coming. In a fight between two truly ATG's I think Floyd is just too well rounded, and Manny will never have instinctive skills that Floyd possesses. Manny is truly great and already a top 15 p4p, but Floyd is better than him.

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I think Mayweather hits too hard for him. Pacquiao isn't exactly hard to find. Accumulation around 8 or 9 i reckon. Floyd by TKO.

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I totally disagree with eveyone (that's everyone that agrees with GB).

I've never given Pac much chance against Floyd but now believe he will KO him. Or get KO'd. Either way someone will be KO'd.

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So I guess you're going with that someone in the fight will get ko and not go the distance?

I think Floyd takes it by UD, no ko of Pac. It probably be competitive for say the 1st 3 maybe 4 rounds then Floyd cruises for a UD.

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I now think Pac has the ability to not only hurt Floyd, but put him under the type of pressure that will force him to retaliate with fire. Both do the distance with ease, so I wouldn't expect either to look to survive at any point.

Someone will end up on queer street.

the key here is for pac to feint. if pac can't pull off the feint, its mayweather's night.

mosley failed to do this after the second round..

imo, mayweather jr./pacquiao will never happen! and it won't happen cause roach is not going to let pacquiao get near the masterful mayweather jr. also, pacquiao's refusal to comply to a simple blood test doesn't help either. i believe floyd jr. is once in a lifetime fighter. it's absolutely incredible what he does to great fighters. he makes them look like ordinary ones. and for those who say mosley was too old? hogwash! mosley might have been "old" in boxing years but he was still a very dangerous opponent and mayweather jr. simply dominated him. with apologies to pacquiao, mayweather jr. is, and has been, boxing's number one p4p fighter in years.

Mayweather only got caught in the second round because he changed his usual style and went looking for a knockout. He won't take any chances against Pacneedle and will batter him with hard counters. Mosley had a two inch reach and height advantage last night, Floyd has a three inch reach and two inch height advantage over the Needle. The Needle's face was a mess after fighting Clottey and he hardly threw a punch. He'll be a mess after a few rounds with Floyd and will be slowed right down to the speed Floyd wants to fight at due to getting lumped in the mush every time he tries to hit Floyd. It'll be a shutout or close to it but it won't happen as the Needle will refuse the testing again. And the media will blame Floyd for the fight not happening.

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The man is selling fights. People are trying to downplay his performance which was nothing short of amazing.

Hate his schtick, fine, but the man is brilliant in the ring.

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Don't think it's a "schtick" at all. I think it's ingrained in his genetic make-up to be a scumbag. But I'm in full agreement: he's a complete wonder in the ring. Definitely an ATG.

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i have heard from numerous people that when meeting Floyd in the public he is nothing short of a gentleman. He takes time to sign autographs, take pictures, etc.

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As he should be. After all, the fans are what has made him a multi-millionaire. Of course, that sounds like I'm discounting all the hard work that goes into the preparation for a fight, but I'm not. These guys break their butts. I also give the man credit for being a technical phenom in the ring.

Another poster mentioned biases in this thread, which I'm a bit puzzled by:
There isn't one among us - not one - that doesn't have a bias toward a particular athlete, or a general bias with any host of life events/decisions, etc. It's ridiculous. Having biases is ingrained in our own makeup. It's just part of the human condition.

Bearing that in mind, I only know of Mayweather from what I've seen on television, the internet and through magazines. I haven't met the man personally. Perhaps I'd be so astonished at what a good, morally upright man he is that I would dramatically change my opinion. But the likelihood of this taking place is remote at best. I just generally favor boxers that minimize the trash talk and do their talking in the ring. But that's just me.

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Don't think it's a "schtick" at all. I think it's ingrained in his genetic make-up to be a scumbag. But I'm in full agreement: he's a complete wonder in the ring. Definitely an ATG.

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i have heard from numerous people that when meeting Floyd in the public he is nothing short of a gentleman. He takes time to sign autographs, take pictures, etc.

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As he should be. After all, the fans are what has made him a multi-millionaire. Of course, that sounds like I'm discounting all the hard work that goes into the preparation for a fight, but I'm not. These guys break their butts. I also give the man credit for being a technical phenom in the ring.

Another poster mentioned biases in this thread, which I'm a bit puzzled by:
There isn't one among us - not one - that doesn't have a bias toward a particular athlete, or a general bias with any host of life events/decisions, etc. It's ridiculous. Having biases is ingrained in our own makeup. It's just part of the human condition.

Bearing that in mind, I only know of Mayweather from what I've seen on television, the internet and through magazines. I haven't met the man personally. Perhaps I'd be so astonished at what a good, morally upright man he is that I would dramatically change my opinion. But the likelihood of this taking place is remote at best. I just generally favor boxers that minimize the trash talk and do their talking in the ring. But that's just me.

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Personally I'd rather a fighter be a jerk to sale a fight "good guy vs bad guy" Then a guy that always acts like a good guy but off the record is a prick. To me thats more annoying.

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i have heard from numerous people that when meeting Floyd in the public he is nothing short of a gentleman. He takes time to sign autographs, take pictures, etc.

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As he should be. After all, the fans are what has made him a multi-millionaire. Of course, that sounds like I'm discounting all the hard work that goes into the preparation for a fight, but I'm not. These guys break their butts. I also give the man credit for being a technical phenom in the ring.

Another poster mentioned biases in this thread, which I'm a bit puzzled by:
There isn't one among us - not one - that doesn't have a bias toward a particular athlete, or a general bias with any host of life events/decisions, etc. It's ridiculous. Having biases is ingrained in our own makeup. It's just part of the human condition.

Bearing that in mind, I only know of Mayweather from what I've seen on television, the internet and through magazines. I haven't met the man personally. Perhaps I'd be so astonished at what a good, morally upright man he is that I would dramatically change my opinion. But the likelihood of this taking place is remote at best. I just generally favor boxers that minimize the trash talk and do their talking in the ring. But that's just me.

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Personally I'd rather a fighter be a jerk to sale a fight "good guy vs bad guy" Then a guy that always acts like a good guy but off the record is a prick. To me thats more annoying.

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Point well taken, M. I completely understand where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree. If trash-talk and being a "jerk" is what it takes to sell a fight, we'd have a ton of Mayorga's fighting each other. Perhaps I'm just an old-fashioned idealist, and believe that talent and style contrasts should ultimately sell a fight. However, marketing is an important factor. But that doesn't mean that marketing has to be reduced to fighters' trash-talk.

I just came across the following numbers, and they're really instructive, as well as a bit disconcerting:

Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History

The truth is often a bit hard to take in.

i think floyd will make his face look like a blueberry pancake by the 10th round and it will be stopped because it will be sad to watch mannys head constantly get snapped back, people tend to forget....MANNYS HUMAN.....he reacts to punches as well, theres noway he will be able to throw1000+ punches against mayweather, mayweather will break him down

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i think floyd will make his face look like a blueberry pancake by the 10th round and it will be stopped because it will be sad to watch mannys head constantly get snapped back, people tend to forget....MANNYS HUMAN.....he reacts to punches as well, theres noway he will be able to throw1000+ punches against mayweather, mayweather will break him down

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only if he's not on something

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i think floyd will make his face look like a blueberry pancake by the 10th round and it will be stopped because it will be sad to watch mannys head constantly get snapped back, people tend to forget....MANNYS HUMAN.....he reacts to punches as well, theres noway he will be able to throw1000+ punches against mayweather, mayweather will break him down

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only if he's not on something

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he wont have a chance to be if he agress to the demands by may

pacman has taken on much harder punchers than mayweather. I still like pacman to beat pbf. people underestimate pacman. I did unitl he destroyed cotto and battered clottey for 12 rounds. those two fights really told me a lot about his power and speed. But, it will never happen with floyds unrealistic and childish demands.

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pacman has taken on much harder punchers than mayweather. I still like pacman to beat pbf. people underestimate pacman. I did unitl he destroyed cotto and battered clottey for 12 rounds. those two fights really told me a lot about his power and speed. But, it will never happen with floyds unrealistic and childish demands.

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Pacquiao took on Cotto who is a harder puncher then Floyd in terms of one shot maybe. But Mayweather would hit Pacquiao a lot more often then Cotto would and would make him miss more.

As little as Clottey hit Pacquiao to still bust his face up like that Mayweather who is faster with better technique and puts his punches together better I'd be worried how Pacquiao's face would look after the fight.

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Pacquiao thru 400 or so more punches against Clottey than both Mayweather and Mosley did together. There was often 15 and 20 seconds that when by with only a faint or two. Mayweather didn't run in this one. If Mosley had less respect for Mayweather and let his hand go by just 3 or four more punches it could have been more competitive. It was like the guy had his hands tied I couldn't believe it.

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It wouldnt have been more competitive if Mosley let his hands go. Shane would have been stopped if he did that. Shane didnt throw cause when he did he was getting rocked

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Shane didn't throw because he was gassed. If Pacquiao had hurt Mayweather in the second he would've been all over him. Shane looked happy to be there at points in the fight.

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It reminded me of the Clottey performance in that regard.

You have to wonder. Shane's been caught using steroids and then lied about knowing he used them. Now, in the only fight in his career he had to take Olympic Style Drug Tests and he had stamina problems? A little fishy.

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You have to wonder. Shane's been caught using steroids and then lied about knowing he used them. Now, in the only fight in his career he had to take Olympic Style Drug Tests and he had stamina problems? A little fishy.

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this is the can of worms we're all anticipating to be opened because of the PED issue.

olympic style testing + losing = stopped taking for the fight or really just lost to a better fighter?:confused:

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Pacquiao thru 400 or so more punches against Clottey than both Mayweather and Mosley did together. There was often 15 and 20 seconds that when by with only a faint or two. Mayweather didn't run in this one. If Mosley had less respect for Mayweather and let his hand go by just 3 or four more punches it could have been more competitive. It was like the guy had his hands tied I couldn't believe it.

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It wouldnt have been more competitive if Mosley let his hands go. Shane would have been stopped if he did that. Shane didnt throw cause when he did he was getting rocked

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Shane didn't throw because he was gassed. If Pacquiao had hurt Mayweather in the second he would've been all over him. Shane looked happy to be there at points in the fight.

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It reminded me of the Clottey performance in that regard.

You have to wonder. Shane's been caught using steroids and then lied about knowing he used them. Now, in the only fight in his career he had to take Olympic Style Drug Tests and he had stamina problems? A little fishy.

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I hate to say it but i also said that during the fight, it does look a bit fishy to me aswell. Shane Mosley has always had great stamina, especially in the 2nd part of a fight. Now the only fight where we know he was 100 percent legit clean, he's tired after 2 rounds ? that is very suspect.

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You have to wonder. Shane's been caught using steroids and then lied about knowing he used them. Now, in the only fight in his career he had to take Olympic Style Drug Tests and he had stamina problems? A little fishy.

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this is the can of worms we're all anticipating to be opened because of the PED issue.

olympic style testing + losing = stopped taking for the fight or really just lost to a better fighter?:confused:

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Yes Floyd Mayweather Jr is the better fighter obviously, but that has nothing to do with Shane Mosley looking winded only after 2 rounds. He only landed 4 clean right hands in the 2nd round, it wasn't like he threw 100 punches and went all out.

It is very strange he run out of steam, so easily in the only fight where we know he was clean. And i don't think its age either, he showed plenty of stamina vs Mayorga, Margarito. He even come on strong late vs Miguel Cotto.

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It wouldnt have been more competitive if Mosley let his hands go. Shane would have been stopped if he did that. Shane didnt throw cause when he did he was getting rocked

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Shane didn't throw because he was gassed. If Pacquiao had hurt Mayweather in the second he would've been all over him. Shane looked happy to be there at points in the fight.

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It reminded me of the Clottey performance in that regard.

You have to wonder. Shane's been caught using steroids and then lied about knowing he used them. Now, in the only fight in his career he had to take Olympic Style Drug Tests and he had stamina problems? A little fishy.

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I hate to say it but i also said that during the fight, it does look a bit fishy to me aswell. Shane Mosley has always had great stamina, especially in the 2nd part of a fight. Now the only fight where we know he was 100 percent legit clean, he's tired after 2 rounds ? that is very suspect.

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I've been thinking the same damn thing fellas but didn't wanna mention anything for fear of being vilified..... I don't see how he couldn't have atleast had more for atleast a few more rounds, but two was a bit of a poor show really. Unless, like Pac vs Clottey, Mosley was afraid to shoot just because he was being hit on the counter almost every time, by harder shots than he expected.

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It reminded me of the Clottey performance in that regard.

You have to wonder. Shane's been caught using steroids and then lied about knowing he used them. Now, in the only fight in his career he had to take Olympic Style Drug Tests and he had stamina problems? A little fishy.

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I hate to say it but i also said that during the fight, it does look a bit fishy to me aswell. Shane Mosley has always had great stamina, especially in the 2nd part of a fight. Now the only fight where we know he was 100 percent legit clean, he's tired after 2 rounds ? that is very suspect.

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I've been thinking the same damn thing fellas but didn't wanna mention anything for fear of being vilified..... I don't see how he couldn't have atleast had more for atleast a few more rounds, but two was a bit of a poor show really. Unless, like Pac vs Clottey, Mosley was afraid to shoot just because he was being hit on the counter almost every time, by harder shots than he expected.

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Go right ahead and say what you think, who the hell cares who disagree's. If thats what you believe then go ahead and say it, and you don't have that many people disagreeing. I agree with you and so does Rat, i think it is very strange.

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I hate to say it but i also said that during the fight, it does look a bit fishy to me aswell. Shane Mosley has always had great stamina, especially in the 2nd part of a fight. Now the only fight where we know he was 100 percent legit clean, he's tired after 2 rounds ? that is very suspect.

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I've been thinking the same damn thing fellas but didn't wanna mention anything for fear of being vilified..... I don't see how he couldn't have atleast had more for atleast a few more rounds, but two was a bit of a poor show really. Unless, like Pac vs Clottey, Mosley was afraid to shoot just because he was being hit on the counter almost every time, by harder shots than he expected.

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Go right ahead and say what you think, who the hell cares who disagree's. If thats what you believe then go ahead and say it, and you don't have that many people disagreeing. I agree with you and so does Rat, i think it is very strange.

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Your right, I should be open. Strange indeed i think. I actually had a conversation with a guy about three weeks back with regards the fact that it would be really noticeable if Mosley has been on something the whole time and this time not due to the testing. I think personally it was noticeable that Shane was out of it. Everything he was throwing at Margarito, almost the kitchen sink, if he'd have thrown that at Floyd in Round 2 Mr Money could have been toast. Just weird how after the 2nd i only remember him throwin a few punches a round with any sort of conviction what so ever.

Edit: Before anyone comes swinging in here using floyds balls as a vine, Mr Mayweather was very impressive indeed.

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You have to wonder. Shane's been caught using steroids and then lied about knowing he used them. Now, in the only fight in his career he had to take Olympic Style Drug Tests and he had stamina problems? A little fishy.

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this is the can of worms we're all anticipating to be opened because of the PED issue.

olympic style testing + losing = stopped taking for the fight or really just lost to a better fighter?:confused:

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Very, very good point.

I think he was simply outclassed, but it does make you think..........

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so many opinions... so many biases...

surely there's one thing we can agree on.

since floyd only signs up for fights he knows he's going to win...
(just look to his record for proof.)
and...since floyd won't sign to fight pac...
we can safely assume that floyd knows something we don't:
that he would lose to him.

agreed?;D

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:scratchchin: Flawless logic there.

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Maybe he's confused as to which one is Mayweather and which one is Pacquiao.

yeah it can be shady.

thing is, mosley wasn't really "gassed out" gassed out. he was still bullying mayweather, except he couldn't throw his punches. he was being so careful after what happened in the 2nd round, he got tense. He wanted to throw the jab but he couldn't cause he was 2nd guessing himself. but he was wrestling mayweather most of the fight. its not like he was all sluggish and slow(although he did lose a lot of pop starting around the 6th round). he just abandoned all hope after learning that mayweather was gaining control. that's what made him look aged. kind of like a de la hoya in front of pac. or maybe even a pavlik out there with b hop, later rounds of diaz - marquez?

i don't know, that's how i see it.

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I've been thinking the same damn thing fellas but didn't wanna mention anything for fear of being vilified..... I don't see how he couldn't have atleast had more for atleast a few more rounds, but two was a bit of a poor show really. Unless, like Pac vs Clottey, Mosley was afraid to shoot just because he was being hit on the counter almost every time, by harder shots than he expected.

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Go right ahead and say what you think, who the hell cares who disagree's. If thats what you believe then go ahead and say it, and you don't have that many people disagreeing. I agree with you and so does Rat, i think it is very strange.

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Your right, I should be open. Strange indeed i think. I actually had a conversation with a guy about three weeks back with regards the fact that it would be really noticeable if Mosley has been on something the whole time and this time not due to the testing. I think personally it was noticeable that Shane was out of it. Everything he was throwing at Margarito, almost the kitchen sink, if he'd have thrown that at Floyd in Round 2 Mr Money could have been toast. Just weird how after the 2nd i only remember him throwin a few punches a round with any sort of conviction what so ever.

Edit: Before anyone comes swinging in here using floyds balls as a vine, Mr Mayweather was very impressive indeed.

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Shane has never had stamina problems because when he was younger he ran cross country and competed in weightlifting. Then had a long amateur career. He put in the time and effort to be great.

Now what makes more sense is that he was coming off the longest period of inactiivty in his whole career, he was already training for berto then started training for floyd, and he's 38 these ingredients are a great recipe for looking exhausted in a mega fight. Yes he looked great 15 months ago against Margarito but 15 months is a very long time...

performance ENHANCING drugs not life giving energizer bunny drugs.

he over trained or grew old overnight or pbf took the life out of him.

you guys are giving peds godlike powers. its just drugs which gives you a little edge.