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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Yeah he's clearly leagues ahead of the rest of the Supersix imo. He's going to cruise to this tournament imo.
Dirrell is the only guy who even makes it interesting, I can't see Ward losing a round to the other guys.
I've said it many times before and I'll say it again now, Andre Ward destroys Lucian Bute.
No, it's his style. I find it really irritating, it doesn't help that Green falls for every obvious trick. Tedious fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilboyou just hate the colours he's wearing ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think Ward is awesome, he'll be p4p number 1 in the world within the next 18 months.
I've got a feeling were going to hear a lot about Ward holding from some of the people that don't like him when Green is the one holding for the most part. Ward does lead with his head like a champ though.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'm just glad Miles doesn't like him, gives us another bone of contention to argue about :p
I knew not to expect too much from Green having watched the Miranda fight, but this is pure puke. They would have been better off putting Bika in than Green.
I want to see a k.o this last round coming.
This is the second guy in a row that Ward's just PUMMELED.
P4P top ten
Manny
Ward
Khan
and the also rans
No, for sure it's not just Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Green has been a disgrace, why was he added to this tournament exactly?
Green's clinching hasn't helped a bit, it just keeps Ward close and he beats him up in the clinch. If anything he should have been pushing Ward off (if he could get away with it)
I'd have Floyd at 3 just above Khan but other than that I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I feel a bit vindicated about Green, I called this shit EARLY in his career. He's just not much.
Anyway, fair play to Ward. He did what he needed to do, sure wasn't pretty though.
Kesslers going to go one better and knock out Green next.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Yeah I agree, he's had one impressive performance against Jaidon Codrington, other that he's been mediocre.
Jermain Taylor would beat him even now.
Listen to Green with the excuses. :rolleyes:
Kesslers going to spark him.
Khan at number 3?! :D The guy who got sparked out by a club fighter in the first round? Are you kidding? Even his decent wins aren't top 20 p4p worthy. Paulie is his best win (unless you count a years past shot Barrera), a guy who couldn't punch threw a wet paper bag. Thanks for the laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Yea I was right with you on Green Ouma but thought he does have legit power, that was the only thing I worried about. Right there with Bilbo, Bute would be LOST on the inside fighting Ward he would definitely beat Bute even if he could make it interesting, only him and Dirrell can make it interesting for Ward but honestly the only guy I'd give a shot at this point is Chad Dawson but Ward feels he can make 168 for a long time now that he's grown into his body.
I think Dirrell beats Ward. I prefer Ward and am not a big Dirrell fan, but Dirrell is one of those guys who has a talent for stinking out his opponent for a points win.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by ClubberLangI think Dirrell beats Ward. I prefer Ward and am not a big Dirrell fan, but Dirrell is one of those guys who has a talent for stinking out his opponent for a points win.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
You know what? I really like Ward and appreciate Dirrell's skills but I have to say I thought the same thing when this fight ended. Dirrell's hands are just as fast and he hits well harder than Ward. I pull for Ward but I can see Dirrell winning as well.
I think it all depends on which direll shows up. This can wind up being a great action fight. Or an absolute bore fest with ward grabbing and direll running. For the record i have absolutly no problem with ward's holding. Everyone involved in this sport from fan to fighter knows what ward is going to do......so it's your job to stop him. If he can get away with that style for 12 rounds and his opponet nor the ref does anything about it than more power to him. Same with bradleys head, floyds forearm, and b hops everything. People spend way too much time crying about what they do instead of figuring out a way around it.
Yeah, I agree. Ward initiated a lot of the holding to smother Green but Green was so drained and flat that he obliged him and just held as well... If not initiating the hold himself. The ref did a good job at breaking only when they needed to be broken up and not disrupting Ward's game plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
I agree as well with your thoughts on Dirrell/Ward. Dirrell hits pretty damn hard and the speed is compareable. I just don't know how it'll pan out as far as gameplans and tactics. I think there's more chance of it being a stinker than anything else but it's an intriquing match up none the less. This is going to be a HUGE gut check for Dirrell. His heart has been in question as has his focus... He's gonna need both at 100% against Ward or he will certainly lose.
He needs to know that he's the puncher in this fight and has to fight like that while being first. I think it'll be an interesting chess match if both men show up.(I know Ward will)
I haven't seen the fight yet, but from what I understand, Ward dominated Green. In regards to Dirrell/Ward, I would have though Fenster would have jumped at the chance to add to his conspiracy theory of the Super Six? Ward allows Dirrell to win so that two americans make it into the final four.
I know it was his excuse, and either way it is his fault, but did Green look weight drained or flat in a way that was out of character?
Did Ward ever put Green down? Or wobble him with a punch? Was the fight a fun watch? Or another boring Ward showing?
After the Ward/Green fight, people are saying Kessler beats Green easily. Why?
So here's the deal. Ward/Green was a clinchfest with Ward working well on the inside. Ward would walk Green into the ropes and work on the inside with his forehead against Green's chest. There was virtually NO hard shots landed in the fight. The ones that WERE landed were Ward's. It wasn't very fun to watch to be honest but appreciated Ward's ability to smother Green. Green was the flatest and most lackadaisical I've ever seen him. Ward was constantly first and Ward landed the harder punches which isn't saying much. Everytime they got close one initiated the clinch. Ward had some decent combos throughout but being that Green mounted virtually no offense it made it rather lack luster. If Ward could punch he would have had Green out of there late in the fight because Green was firing NOTHING back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Green may fair slightly better against Kessler's stand up style but Mikkel can also punch a bit so that may negate whatever advantage the up right style and no head movement may have given. Green just does not belong in there with these guys. Hell, he looks like a shopworn vet... I think his diet and medical problems have alot to do with it which is something he refuses to admit... The man he replaced... Jermaine Taylor would KO Green. Simple as that.
Listen, I like Allan Green. I'm not ashamed. However, I'll admit that if he doesn't beat Kessler or put forward a good showing, his career, or whatever career he had, is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONSo here's the deal. Ward/Green was a clinchfest with Ward working well on the inside. Ward would walk Green into the ropes and work on the inside with his forehead against Green's chest. There was virtually NO hard shots landed in the fight. The ones that WERE landed were Ward's. It wasn't very fun to watch to be honest but appreciated Ward's ability to smother Green. Green was the flatest and most lackadaisical I've ever seen him. Ward was constantly first and Ward landed the harder punches which isn't saying much. Everytime they got close one initiated the clinch. Ward had some decent combos throughout but being that Green mounted virtually no offense it made it rather lack luster. If Ward could punch he would have had Green out of there late in the fight because Green was firing NOTHING back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Green may fair slightly better against Kessler's stand up style but Mikkel can also punch a bit so that may negate whatever advantage the up right style and no head movement may have given. Green just does not belong in there with these guys. Hell, he looks like a shopworn vet... I think his diet and medical problems have alot to do with it which is something he refuses to admit... The man he replaced... Jermaine Taylor would KO Green. Simple as that.
I wouldn't make too much of a loss to Ward at this point either. Ward is the same guy who made Kessler look lost and out of place. Kessler is a former world champion who also was the favorite of the tournament. And Ward stopped Kessler on cuts, right?
Yeah, from butts...(intentional or unintentional... people can argue it all day but it's a moot point) But Wards movement won the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratListen, I like Allan Green. I'm not ashamed. However, I'll admit that if he doesn't beat Kessler or put forward a good showing, his career, or whatever career he had, is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONSo here's the deal. Ward/Green was a clinchfest with Ward working well on the inside. Ward would walk Green into the ropes and work on the inside with his forehead against Green's chest. There was virtually NO hard shots landed in the fight. The ones that WERE landed were Ward's. It wasn't very fun to watch to be honest but appreciated Ward's ability to smother Green. Green was the flatest and most lackadaisical I've ever seen him. Ward was constantly first and Ward landed the harder punches which isn't saying much. Everytime they got close one initiated the clinch. Ward had some decent combos throughout but being that Green mounted virtually no offense it made it rather lack luster. If Ward could punch he would have had Green out of there late in the fight because Green was firing NOTHING back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Green may fair slightly better against Kessler's stand up style but Mikkel can also punch a bit so that may negate whatever advantage the up right style and no head movement may have given. Green just does not belong in there with these guys. Hell, he looks like a shopworn vet... I think his diet and medical problems have alot to do with it which is something he refuses to admit... The man he replaced... Jermaine Taylor would KO Green. Simple as that.
I wouldn't make too much of a loss to Ward at this point either. Ward is the same guy who made Kessler look lost and out of place. Kessler is a former world champion who also was the favorite of the tournament. And Ward stopped Kessler on cuts, right?
Green has been living off that Jaidon Codrington KO for like ever. He will look badly against Kessler... Green is no where as strong as everyone thinks he is. He's never KOd a real credible threat to the division and his boxing skills have always been ordinary at best. His medical issues and diet are part of the problem. Him just not being that good is the other. Kessler is going to beat him up. Kess has taken Froch's best shots and stood there. Froch hits friggin hard. Green has no chance IMO. Kess has the power to hurt Green. Green should just be happy he's getting these paydays now and also be glad this tourny is almost over for him... He got his moment in the spotlight and his money... You won't hear much about him after this tourny. You'll hear more from his mouth than of his ring accomplishments.
whoever voted for a green win must be feeling pretty stupid right about now
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Originally Posted by bigamzz
That's a good addition to the thread. Good insight and knowlege as well as very eloquent.:rolleyes: