1st off this is fight makes me sick and disgusted with the sport although at the same time very very fitting that both these men share a ring with each other.
2nd I will fucking piss myself laughing if margarito wins this!
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1st off this is fight makes me sick and disgusted with the sport although at the same time very very fitting that both these men share a ring with each other.
2nd I will fucking piss myself laughing if margarito wins this!
Sorry but the thread starter misread the Revelations. Pacquiao fighting Margarito IS NOT a sign of the Apocalypse. The sign of the Apocalyse is Mayweather fighting Pacquiao.
Oh well, that means the end of the world is not near.
contracts haven't been signed yet so the door is still slightly open for other possibilities. although this will be a good scrap but to what end? williams, berto, bradley, i even prefer a final fight with jmm at 140 to this.
I never pay for any fights i haven't for years, i just think its pointless. With all the streams and download links, unless your going there live to watch it. I don't see the point in spending any money at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Rumours have it this is going to be fought at a catchweight. Surprise, surprise. Anything to add an advantage to Manny. :rolleyes:
Just like the rumors from Koncs a catch weight over Clottey :D
well here boxing is a family thing, so on huge fights that we really want to see we order the PPV (which is maybe about 3 or 4 times a year), and now well we basically just split up the bill so it's not as bad, and well we basically have a bbq and so on with the whole family lol, only fights we ordered this year were Vazquez Jr Vs Sonsona and Mayweather Vs. Mosley, if Lopez Vs. R. Marquez ends up on PPV (and not showtime) well we'll order it, same goes with Cotto/MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI never pay for any fights i haven't for years, i just think its pointless. With all the streams and download links, unless your going there live to watch it. I don't see the point in spending any money at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
The proposed bout is at 154. How can that be advantage for Manny? Anyways, I don't really care if Margacheato goes up to 200 lbs come fight night. HE'S JUST A BIGGER TARGET, THAT'S ALL HE IS. As long as he doesn't carry loaded gloves, then it's fine by me. Pac is keeping the speed under 150 lbs, cuz SPEED KILLS. The longer the fight will take, the visible we will see Margacheato's face turn to ground beef. Lol. He's gonna look like a lasagna with teeth if the fight reaches 12 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppas
Thats cool your whole family get involved, wish mine was luck that. The only real boxing fanatic in my family is my grandad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell here boxing is a family thing, so on huge fights that we really want to see we order the PPV (which is maybe about 3 or 4 times a year), and now well we basically just split up the bill so it's not as bad, and well we basically have a bbq and so on with the whole family lol, only fights we ordered this year were Vazquez Jr Vs Sonsona and Mayweather Vs. Mosley, if Lopez Vs. R. Marquez ends up on PPV (and not showtime) well we'll order it, same goes with Cotto/MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI never pay for any fights i haven't for years, i just think its pointless. With all the streams and download links, unless your going there live to watch it. I don't see the point in spending any money at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
yea here it's me, my cousins, my uncles, my dad a bit (he's not as into it as he was before, basically been like that since Trinidad went down hill lol) so it's a pretty big groupQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBThats cool your whole family get involved, wish mine was luck that. The only real boxing fanatic in my family is my grandad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell here boxing is a family thing, so on huge fights that we really want to see we order the PPV (which is maybe about 3 or 4 times a year), and now well we basically just split up the bill so it's not as bad, and well we basically have a bbq and so on with the whole family lol, only fights we ordered this year were Vazquez Jr Vs Sonsona and Mayweather Vs. Mosley, if Lopez Vs. R. Marquez ends up on PPV (and not showtime) well we'll order it, same goes with Cotto/MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI never pay for any fights i haven't for years, i just think its pointless. With all the streams and download links, unless your going there live to watch it. I don't see the point in spending any money at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I remember talking to POB about the same thing a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThats cool your whole family get involved, wish mine was luck that. The only real boxing fanatic in my family is my grandad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell here boxing is a family thing, so on huge fights that we really want to see we order the PPV (which is maybe about 3 or 4 times a year), and now well we basically just split up the bill so it's not as bad, and well we basically have a bbq and so on with the whole family lol, only fights we ordered this year were Vazquez Jr Vs Sonsona and Mayweather Vs. Mosley, if Lopez Vs. R. Marquez ends up on PPV (and not showtime) well we'll order it, same goes with Cotto/MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI never pay for any fights i haven't for years, i just think its pointless. With all the streams and download links, unless your going there live to watch it. I don't see the point in spending any money at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I have literally no one to watch fights with, so I never buy PPV's; it just doesn't make any sense. None of my friends really like boxing, though one of them says he'll buy the never-gonna-happen Pac - PBF fight, so I just sit in front of the computer and watch the streams. If I had a group of people who were interested in coming over to watch a PPV together I might change my tune.
I favor Manny to pull out a UD here, but by no means is he going to steamroll Antonio.
People have abandoned Margarito and he himself tainted his own legacy. He is responsible for the world's opinion of him now.
However, none of that changes what a ridiculously tough customer Tony is. If you think he's gonna stand there all night and let Manny potshot him, I think you have another thing coming. This will be a tough competetive fight for Pac and I wouldn't want to bet on it. Tony has a great chin, great reach, plenty of power, and when he fights tall it's gonna be quite a reach for Manny. This one goes the distance.
Another KO on the pacman's resume. Manny will win the fight in easy fashion. I just dont understand this fight. Can we not just get the two best fighters of this era in the ring together please... How long must they draw this out???
Until May 2011.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke
Margarito doesn't fight tall though, he slouches and is incredibly easy to hit, although he did look a wee bit better defensively last time out, he's slow, he plods forward and his power looked below average last time out and that was against a tomato can, Pacquiao is too fast, a wider variety of punches than Tony, he puts combinations together and given how slow Margarito is Manny will be in and out before Margarito lands anything of worth, Pacquiao stops him around the 10thQuote:
Originally Posted by Balboa
If we assume, and we shouldn't, that Margarito didn't cheat against Cotto, Cintron, or Clottey, THAT version of Margarito poses a good test for Pacquiao. He's the biggest, strongest, volume-throwing opponent Pacquiao has faced. Otherwise, Pacquiao will beat him like he beat him like he beat Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMargarito doesn't fight tall though, he slouches and is incredibly easy to hit, although he did look a wee bit better defensively last time out, he's slow, he plods forward and his power looked below average last time out and that was against a tomato can, Pacquiao is too fast, a wider variety of punches than Tony, he puts combinations together and given how slow Margarito is Manny will be in and out before Margarito lands anything of worth, Pacquiao stops him around the 10thQuote:
Originally Posted by Balboa
Is this at 154 and why?I'm not ready to say how well Manny will do there.He may just go to the well one to many times with rising weight.Margarito,eh,hey its going to happen all finger waging and opinion aside.Boycott it totally or not.I'd imagine a few would pay top dollar to see Tony get beat up but think in this case that is far from a giving.He's been at 154 prior and I believe he was actually on his way to stopping Santos before the tech d.He'll sacrifice speed which is no surprise and has never been quick on the draw in the first place.While there is mainly one gear he could stand to be the most offensive minded guy Manny has faced in quite some time no doubt.Likewise should the weight suit Pac he'll find an inviting target who wont back up unless he's falling over.This can turn into one brutal train wreck of a fight before its over with both taking damage early but Manny must be smart,moving and that hand speed should carry the night for Dec.w
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Why did the chicken cross the road?
...'cause he saw Manny Pacquiao!!
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMargarito doesn't fight tall though, he slouches and is incredibly easy to hit, although he did look a wee bit better defensively last time out, he's slow, he plods forward and his power looked below average last time out and that was against a tomato can, Pacquiao is too fast, a wider variety of punches than Tony, he puts combinations together and given how slow Margarito is Manny will be in and out before Margarito lands anything of worth, Pacquiao stops him around the 10thQuote:
Originally Posted by Balboa
It may be worth noting that Im also assuming a slightly different version of Tony shows up on this mega-fight night. A Tony once again on the world stage with something to prove and critics to silence. If the right Tony shows up, if he has enough passion left to resurrect his image, (and I think a huge night vs Pac will bring him out if anything does) then Manny is gonna be in for a loooong night.
But yes, if the new and embarassed and humiliated Tony shows up like we saw most recently, Pac has him handily. My gut says this is Tony's last hurrah and he knows it. I think you'll see his A game November.
that's the thing, who's to know what his "A Game" is, for all we know he cheated in all of his biggest fights, i honestly don't rate him any higher than a B level fighter now, and i was one of the guys defending him when all the accusations first started coming forward, but the evidence is there, and the dude is a cheat, IMO Pac smashes him and stops him by the 10th, and he'll do so easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by BalboaQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMargarito doesn't fight tall though, he slouches and is incredibly easy to hit, although he did look a wee bit better defensively last time out, he's slow, he plods forward and his power looked below average last time out and that was against a tomato can, Pacquiao is too fast, a wider variety of punches than Tony, he puts combinations together and given how slow Margarito is Manny will be in and out before Margarito lands anything of worth, Pacquiao stops him around the 10thQuote:
Originally Posted by Balboa
It may be worth noting that Im also assuming a slightly different version of Tony shows up on this mega-fight night. A Tony once again on the world stage with something to prove and critics to silence. If the right Tony shows up, if he has enough passion left to resurrect his image, (and I think a huge night vs Pac will bring him out if anything does) then Manny is gonna be in for a loooong night.
But yes, if the new and embarassed and humiliated Tony shows up like we saw most recently, Pac has him handily. My gut says this is Tony's last hurrah and he knows it. I think you'll see his A game November.
Margarito/pac.....and at another bs catchweight ?? Man and i was one of the one's bitching about jones/hopkins. Well tony's first excuse is already in the books. The only thing worse than floyd fighting smaller guys is smaller guys forcing guys below thier weight to fight them. As if there aren't enough divisions already. Next they'll say takedowns and choke out's are legal in every other round too.
if the fight is at 150lb catchweight it won't be below margarito's weight. no this isn't a case of that. the problem is it's going to be for a title and they can't weigh in at the limit. that is where it becomes a b.s. of a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
well there is no point in fighting for a title if you don't feel you can compete at the limit of the weight division, why should others have to give up their advantages so that you can say you won a title in that weight class?, and that goes for everyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by KKisserif the fight is at 150lb catchweight it won't be below margarito's weight. no this isn't a case of that. the problem is it's going to be for a title and they can't weigh in at the limit. that is where it becomes a b.s. of a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
This catchweight bullshit is becoming fucking ridiculous.
Who told you that the lasagna will still have teeth when this fight is over?Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftThe proposed bout is at 154. How can that be advantage for Manny? Anyways, I don't really care if Margacheato goes up to 200 lbs come fight night. HE'S JUST A BIGGER TARGET, THAT'S ALL HE IS. As long as he doesn't carry loaded gloves, then it's fine by me. Pac is keeping the speed under 150 lbs, cuz SPEED KILLS. The longer the fight will take, the visible we will see Margacheato's face turn to ground beef. Lol. He's gonna look like a lasagna with teeth if the fight reaches 12 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppas
Kidding aside, Manny is again going up another weight division and will be in unfamiliar territory when he do fight Margarito. His highest weight so far had been 145 3/4 lb. And Margarito had weighted below 150 lb during most of his later fights (except the last one with Garcia). So a catchweight would not really be an advantage for Pacquiao. To me 150 - 152 lb would be acceptable but it should NOT be for the title.
If Manny is aiming for the title, then let there be NO CATCHWEIGHT.
there's no point at fighting at 150-152lbs if it won't be for a title. so they should just fight at 147 for pac's title. or they should fight for the junior middleweight title at the full limit of 154lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerWho told you that the lasagna will still have teeth when this fight is over?Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftThe proposed bout is at 154. How can that be advantage for Manny? Anyways, I don't really care if Margacheato goes up to 200 lbs come fight night. HE'S JUST A BIGGER TARGET, THAT'S ALL HE IS. As long as he doesn't carry loaded gloves, then it's fine by me. Pac is keeping the speed under 150 lbs, cuz SPEED KILLS. The longer the fight will take, the visible we will see Margacheato's face turn to ground beef. Lol. He's gonna look like a lasagna with teeth if the fight reaches 12 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppas
Kidding aside, Manny is again going up another weight division and will be in unfamiliar territory when he do fight Margarito. His highest weight so far had been 145 3/4 lb. And Margarito had weighted below 150 lb during most of his later fights (except the last one with Garcia). So a catchweight would not really be an advantage for Pacquiao. To me 150 - 152 lb would be acceptable but it should NOT be for the title.
If Manny is aiming for the title, then let there be NO CATCHWEIGHT.
I've been reading people write a bunch of crap about how catch weight are bull shit... making arguments how unfair it is.
What the hell are weight classes for! Are they not to create fairness in the sport? How the hell is it unfair advantage for the smaller man when the advantage is made for the larger man by giving him a more than 24 hour weigh-in period so he can qualify to make the weight to rehydrate safely? Just look at what Mayweather did to Marquez. No one knows what Mayweather weighed because he refused the 'unofficial' :confused: weigh-in at "fight time". "The boxing weight-in" has got to be the biggest farce of any sport. What the hell is the boxing commission for? The commissions should call the weight at Fight time "the official weight". And stop the bull shit of the "qualifying weigh-in". How does any of this bull shit promote safety in the sport?
Margacheato should have absolutely no problems with 150lbs when he fought Mosley at 147lbs before getting booted. What did Clottey weigh when he stepped into the ring with Pacquiao? 160lbs+ When the big man wins, he's picking on the little man. When the little man wins, he's using unfair weigh-in tactics.
....sadly this is probably the biggest fight that i could care less about.
If you're going to compete for a title in a division (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is), you should work within the established parameters which all other fighters in that division do. You shouldn't use your economic clout to force the creation of a situation which benefits only yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
If Pacquiao, or Mayweather, or anyone else, wants to fight for a title below 150lbs, then fight at welter. There are plenty of big, legacy-enhancing fights there that would mean a fuck of a lot more than beating a known cheat and possibly shot fighter who hasn't looked impressive in the ring in over 2 years.
Simply put, if you're too small for a division then either deal with it or don't fight at that weight. This catch-weight bullshit is absurd, regardless of which fighter is making these sorts of demands and it is only going to serve to mitigate Pacquiao's accomplishments at the higher weights.
I agree with the highlighted portion of this post. I wouldn't have a problem with Pacquiao fighting Margarito at an agreed-upon weight of 150. I don't see any problem with that - it's like if Chad Dawson said I would fight Steve Cunningham at 185. Fine, no issue. My only issue is fighting for a junior middleweight title at 150. That doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf you're going to compete for a title in a division (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is), you should work within the established parameters which all other fighters in that division do. You shouldn't use your economic clout to force the creation of a situation which benefits only yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
If Pacquiao, or Mayweather, or anyone else, wants to fight below 150lbs, then fight at welter. There are plenty of big, legacy-enhancing fights there that would mean a fuck of a lot more than beating a known cheat and possibly shot fighter who hasn't looked impressive in the ring in over 2 years.
Simply put, if you're too small for a division then either deal with it or don't fight at that weight. This catch-weight bullshit is absurd, regardless of which fighter is making these sorts of demands and it is only going to serve to mitigate Pacquiao's accomplishments at the higher weights.
I do not think they would fight in Abu Dhabi whatever the weight.
I agree. My main problem is when catchweights are made for title fights, even ones as absurd as Pacquiao - Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI agree with the highlighted portion of this post. I wouldn't have a problem with Pacquiao fighting Margarito at an agreed-upon weight of 150. I don't see any problem with that - it's like if Chad Dawson said I would fight Steve Cunningham at 185. Fine, no issue. My only issue is fighting for a junior middleweight title at 150. That doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf you're going to compete for a title in a division (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is), you should work within the established parameters which all other fighters in that division do. You shouldn't use your economic clout to force the creation of a situation which benefits only yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
If Pacquiao, or Mayweather, or anyone else, wants to fight below 150lbs, then fight at welter. There are plenty of big, legacy-enhancing fights there that would mean a fuck of a lot more than beating a known cheat and possibly shot fighter who hasn't looked impressive in the ring in over 2 years.
Simply put, if you're too small for a division then either deal with it or don't fight at that weight. This catch-weight bullshit is absurd, regardless of which fighter is making these sorts of demands and it is only going to serve to mitigate Pacquiao's accomplishments at the higher weights.
I would also argue that if you want to be considered a legitimate LMW, then you should fight within the parameters of that division (which was the trust of second part of my post). However, I would be amazed if Pacquiao had any interest in staying at 154, so that point is pretty much moot.
That's all the same spit from the bottom of the bucket. (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is) Ya, What title? Isn't Martinez is the WBC title holder? "WBC International Middleweight Title" It's like inventing a "pink belt" one between Red and Purple in Taekwondo just to make money on testing. I don't even think "International Title" rates as a minor belt anyway so I don't even see it, if Pacquiao wins, being counted as an eight title.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf you're going to compete for a title in a division (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is), you should work within the established parameters which all other fighters in that division do. You shouldn't use your economic clout to force the creation of a situation which benefits only yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
If Pacquiao, or Mayweather, or anyone else, wants to fight below 150lbs, then fight at welter. There are plenty of big, legacy-enhancing fights there that would mean a fuck of a lot more than beating a known cheat and possibly shot fighter who hasn't looked impressive in the ring in over 2 years.
Simply put, if you're too small for a division then either deal with it or don't fight at that weight. This catch-weight bullshit is absurd, regardless of which fighter is making these sorts of demands and it is only going to serve to mitigate Pacquiao's accomplishments at the higher weights.
Speaking about "Illegitimate". Any fight within the weight class is "Legitimate" regardless of who can and can't make the weight. It's the fighter's fuking problem if he can't cut it. And if he can't, he's the one that shouldn't be fighting in the division. (My point of view, which happens to be same as the rules.)
I think this fight is a mistake. Margarito shouldn't be allowed to be in any sanctioned fight, anywhere. If I were on the California Commission, I'd threaten to ban Margarito for life, because he's cercumventing the ruling on his ban, and tell Arum he's at risk of losing his promoter's license in California.
First of all, Martinez was stripped of his title. The WBC 154 lb. belt is on the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyThat's all the same spit from the bottom of the bucket. (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is) Ya, What title? Isn't Martinez is the WBC title holder? "WBC International Middleweight Title" It's like inventing a "pink belt" one between Red and Purple in Taekwondo just to make money on testing. I don't even think "International Title" rates as a minor belt anyway so I don't even see it, if Pacquiao wins, being counted as an eight title.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf you're going to compete for a title in a division (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is), you should work within the established parameters which all other fighters in that division do. You shouldn't use your economic clout to force the creation of a situation which benefits only yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
If Pacquiao, or Mayweather, or anyone else, wants to fight below 150lbs, then fight at welter. There are plenty of big, legacy-enhancing fights there that would mean a fuck of a lot more than beating a known cheat and possibly shot fighter who hasn't looked impressive in the ring in over 2 years.
Simply put, if you're too small for a division then either deal with it or don't fight at that weight. This catch-weight bullshit is absurd, regardless of which fighter is making these sorts of demands and it is only going to serve to mitigate Pacquiao's accomplishments at the higher weights.
Speaking about "Illegitimate". Any fight within the weight class is "Legitimate" regardless of who can and can't make the weight. It's the fighter's fuking problem if he can't cut it. And if he can't, he's the one that shouldn't be fighting in the division. (My point of view, which happens to be same as the rules.)
I think this fight is a mistake. Margarito shouldn't be allowed to be in any sanctioned fight, anywhere. If I were on the California Commission, I'd threaten to ban Margarito for life, because he's cercumventing the ruling on his ban, and tell Arum he's at risk of losing his promoter's license in California.
So, hypothetically, you would argue that a fighter who cannot make 148lbs should not be fighting in the light middle weight division? In my eyes, and in the eyes of virtually everybody else, a catchweight title-fight is absurd. The belt is for the champion at the 154lb limit, (ideally) that means the champion of that division is supposed to be the best fighter at 154 lbs or below. It does not mean that they're the best fighter between 148 and 150 lbs.
First off you can't state what most everyone opinion is so that is just BS. I stopped checking who has what belts a while back, but last I read he held both WBC belts at light middle and middleweight. I could understand if he let go of one of the middleweight titles but I never seen any reference that he was stripped. Your probably right though. So tell me how is it a can fighter who never fought at light middleweight and another one not ranked in the top 3 can fight for a vacant title. Doesn't that violate the rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFirst of all, Martinez was stripped of his title. The WBC 154 lb. belt is on the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyThat's all the same spit from the bottom of the bucket. (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is) Ya, What title? Isn't Martinez is the WBC title holder? "WBC International Middleweight Title" It's like inventing a "pink belt" one between Red and Purple in Taekwondo just to make money on testing. I don't even think "International Title" rates as a minor belt anyway so I don't even see it, if Pacquiao wins, being counted as an eight title.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf you're going to compete for a title in a division (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is), you should work within the established parameters which all other fighters in that division do. You shouldn't use your economic clout to force the creation of a situation which benefits only yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
If Pacquiao, or Mayweather, or anyone else, wants to fight below 150lbs, then fight at welter. There are plenty of big, legacy-enhancing fights there that would mean a fuck of a lot more than beating a known cheat and possibly shot fighter who hasn't looked impressive in the ring in over 2 years.
Simply put, if you're too small for a division then either deal with it or don't fight at that weight. This catch-weight bullshit is absurd, regardless of which fighter is making these sorts of demands and it is only going to serve to mitigate Pacquiao's accomplishments at the higher weights.
Speaking about "Illegitimate". Any fight within the weight class is "Legitimate" regardless of who can and can't make the weight. It's the fighter's fuking problem if he can't cut it. And if he can't, he's the one that shouldn't be fighting in the division. (My point of view, which happens to be same as the rules.)
I think this fight is a mistake. Margarito shouldn't be allowed to be in any sanctioned fight, anywhere. If I were on the California Commission, I'd threaten to ban Margarito for life, because he's cercumventing the ruling on his ban, and tell Arum he's at risk of losing his promoter's license in California.
So, hypothetically, you would argue that a fighter who cannot make 148lbs should not be fighting in the light middle weight division? In my eyes, and in the eyes of virtually everybody else, a catchweight title-fight is absurd. The belt is for the champion at the 154lb limit, (ideally) that means the champion of that division is supposed to be the best fighter at 154 lbs or below. It does not mean that they're the best fighter between 148 and 150 lbs.
There is nothing hypothetical about a weight class range. You are taking a maximum weight limit and calling it a weight class. The 150lbs limit is only a contractual one and not the the limit of the weight class. If he can't make the 154 limit he doesn't belong there. I may not have written it specifically like that but I gather your old enough to understand what implied is? Like I wrote before this is all just the same shit!
I'm of the opinion that weigh-in should be at fight time. Not that BS 24 hour before fight time so a fighter can rehydrate and step into the ring 10 to 15 lbs heavier and gain an unfair advantage. It defeats the purpose of having a weight-class.
I shouldn't have said that Martinez was stripped, I believe he lost/gave up the title because he plans to stay at 160. Saying "stripped" implies something different.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyFirst off you can't state what most everyone opinion is so that is just BS. I stopped checking who has what belts a while back, but last I read he held both WBC belts at light middle and middleweight. I could understand if he let go of one of the middleweight titles but I never seen any reference that he was stripped. Your probably right though. So tell me how is it a can fighter who never fought at light middleweight and another one not ranked in the top 3 can fight for a vacant title. Doesn't that violate the rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFirst of all, Martinez was stripped of his title. The WBC 154 lb. belt is on the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyThat's all the same spit from the bottom of the bucket. (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is) Ya, What title? Isn't Martinez is the WBC title holder? "WBC International Middleweight Title" It's like inventing a "pink belt" one between Red and Purple in Taekwondo just to make money on testing. I don't even think "International Title" rates as a minor belt anyway so I don't even see it, if Pacquiao wins, being counted as an eight title.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf you're going to compete for a title in a division (regardless of how illegitimate a "title fight" it is), you should work within the established parameters which all other fighters in that division do. You shouldn't use your economic clout to force the creation of a situation which benefits only yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
If Pacquiao, or Mayweather, or anyone else, wants to fight below 150lbs, then fight at welter. There are plenty of big, legacy-enhancing fights there that would mean a fuck of a lot more than beating a known cheat and possibly shot fighter who hasn't looked impressive in the ring in over 2 years.
Simply put, if you're too small for a division then either deal with it or don't fight at that weight. This catch-weight bullshit is absurd, regardless of which fighter is making these sorts of demands and it is only going to serve to mitigate Pacquiao's accomplishments at the higher weights.
Speaking about "Illegitimate". Any fight within the weight class is "Legitimate" regardless of who can and can't make the weight. It's the fighter's fuking problem if he can't cut it. And if he can't, he's the one that shouldn't be fighting in the division. (My point of view, which happens to be same as the rules.)
I think this fight is a mistake. Margarito shouldn't be allowed to be in any sanctioned fight, anywhere. If I were on the California Commission, I'd threaten to ban Margarito for life, because he's cercumventing the ruling on his ban, and tell Arum he's at risk of losing his promoter's license in California.
So, hypothetically, you would argue that a fighter who cannot make 148lbs should not be fighting in the light middle weight division? In my eyes, and in the eyes of virtually everybody else, a catchweight title-fight is absurd. The belt is for the champion at the 154lb limit, (ideally) that means the champion of that division is supposed to be the best fighter at 154 lbs or below. It does not mean that they're the best fighter between 148 and 150 lbs.
There is nothing hypothetical about a weight class range. You are taking a maximum weight limit and calling it a weight class. The 150lbs limit is only a contractual one and not the the limit of the weight class. If he can't make the 154 limit he doesn't belong there. I may not have written it specifically like that but I gather your old enough to understand what implied is? Like I wrote before this is all just the same shit!
I'm of the opinion that weigh-in should be at fight time. Not that BS 24 hour before fight time so a fighter can rehydrate and step into the ring 10 to 15 lbs heavier and gain an unfair advantage. It defeats the purpose of having a weight-class.
As for your other points, I certain can generalize about what peoples opinions are about title-fight catchweights. I've spent a lot of time reading about that stuff on here and the majority of people feel exactly the same way I do. I also agree that Pacquiao-Margarito is in no way a legitimate title fight, but it has been sanctioned by the WBC as such.
As for the rest of your post, I completely disagree with pretty much everything you say and I've already made the reasons for that clear in my previous posts.
They just caught him in the nick of time against Moseley and it is pretty enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1