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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
Haye's going to make good money and he's going to look good doing it with "Audley". Then he'll be open for Wladimir. Then we'll get a clash of the chinny titans and everyone will forget all of the hate and waiting.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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Niko's Girl!
Haye's going to make good money and he's going to look good doing it with "Audley". Then he'll be open for Wladimir. Then we'll get a clash of the chinny titans and everyone will forget all of the hate and waiting.
....that's what was said after the Barrett fight, after the Valuev fight, and after the Ruiz fight....but I suppose this time is different :vd:
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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El Kabong
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Niko's Girl!
Haye's going to make good money and he's going to look good doing it with "Audley". Then he'll be open for Wladimir. Then we'll get a clash of the chinny titans and everyone will forget all of the hate and waiting.
....that's what was said after the Barrett fight, after the Valuev fight, and after the Ruiz fight....but I suppose this time is different :vd:
It's the way the world works. Mark my words, have some bran until they come true.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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Niko's Girl!
It's the way the world works. Mark my words, have some bran until they come true.
...the way boxing works is that fighter A that's ducking fighter B until the money is "right" gets stopped by some shmuck before the "megafight" happens....that's the way boxing works. This ain't the movies, and I'm not saying Audley will be the one to upset the apple cart, but I HIGHLY doubt this fight happens before Chicken Little loses his first heavyweight bout.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
I think Niko's girl is right but still, it's kind of ridiculous nonetheless. It's pretty much been broken promise after broken promise from Haye since he fought Enzo. I think if Wlad would have offered to fight him on that escalator during their first confrontation, Haye would have found a way to say that that escalator just wasn't right and he would rather fight in a escalator where more people could watch and one that moved down instead of up. It's nuts, this thing just needs to happen.
However, after Haye blitzes Harrison (haha @ anyone giving Harrison even the slightest of chances), there will be plenty of people criticizing him in this thread and others who will then give Haye a better shot to beat Wlad if they ever meet.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
My beef is that the fight is just so extraordinarily meaningless. I mean, what schlups are really going to want to pay for this farce? Nobody in their right mind seriously expects it to go more than 3 rounds. Maybe Haye will carry Audley to the 6th and end it there. But Harrison will probably collapse regardless before it even gets to that point. It's a farcical matchup. The worst in recent memory. You can understand a fighter coming back after a loss taking such a fight, but not a fighter who has an unbeaten run and already had an easy fight since winning the belt.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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miles
My beef is that the fight is just so extraordinarily meaningless. I mean, what schlups are really going to want to pay for this farce? Nobody in their right mind seriously expects it to go more than 3 rounds. Maybe Haye will carry Audley to the 6th and end it there. But Harrison will probably collapse regardless before it even gets to that point. It's a farcical matchup. The worst in recent memory. You can understand a fighter coming back after a loss taking such a fight, but not a fighter who has an unbeaten run and already had an easy fight since winning the belt.
This pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole situation!
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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Everything happens for a reason.
Haye wasn't happy with all the clauses and shit that the klits were putting into contracts so he's said fuck you I can make money else where. And thats exactly what he's doing.
There is an element of danger in this fight cuz if audley gets that luck punch and KO's Haye, then it really is all over. This is an everything to lose and nothing to gain fight. Haye should win it though and within the first 4 rounds.
No Audley doesn't deserve a title shot, but then neither does shannon briggs, Chris Arreola, Sam Peter (after already squandering two chances by not even bothering to get in shape), sosnowski, Eddie chambers..... I really could go on....
people like lyle and skel and whoever can speculate and take sides and call whoever they like a pussy.
No one on here knows what was in the discussions between the Haye and klit camp. And that is the fact. No one knows. It's just down to hear say and who you do or don't want to believe.
No one is able to say haye is a pussy or haye ducked someone until haye's career is over and we're looking back over it.
You are in cloud cuckoo land. Each of those fighters bolded above has achieved FAR beyond what Audley ever has in the pro ranks. The simple facts are that Haye has talked smack, backed out of fights against the Klits and instead of fighting anyway half way decent, has now decided to fight Audley Harrison. The guy is a sham and
you don't need to wait until his career is over to come to that kind of conclusion.
Of course you do.
He's already fought and won in a Crusierweight and Heavyweight champions backyard and got the win. He's pursued a fight with both Klitshcko's. Why doesn't anybody moan about the rematch clauses the Klitschko's put in or the fact that Haye would only get paid via the UK TV money?
I think Haye has realised he can make a shit load of money fighting 'sure things' (if such a thing exists in Boxing) in the UK in front of 20 odd thousand. So what's wrong with him doing that? Nothing imo, provided he fights a Klitschko afterwards. That's why we have to wait and see. I think he wants to fight either Klitschko in England, and to do that he needs to be a massive draw. In the UK, Harrison is a bigger name than any of the Eastern European fights (with the exception of either Klitschko), and he's a bigger name than any of the American fighters. The PPV will probably generate around £20m in the UK. Add that to the majority share of the gate receipts, and it becomes a no brainer.
Think about it logicaally. If you were Haye, would you want to make £15m-£20m with the opportunity of making even more money against a Klitschko, or even both Klitschko's, or do you want to make £20m from fighting a Klitschko, but then losing and being left with little options. It's a no brainer.
Chances are he'll get knocked out by either Klitschko and then it'll all be over for him. He needs to make his oney now
now, and he needs to have as much in his favour as possible when he comes to sit down to talk with the Klitschko's.
People need to be more patient. For the record, i hope the A-Train beats him. It would be quality.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
Ono, there is simply no justification for a fight with Audley Harrison on the back of a win over a 70 year old John Ruiz. It is one of the most shocking matchups in recent history. Even Amir Khan hasn't been stooping as low as this.
The Ruiz fight was supposed to be his gimme and there are at least a dozen better fights than this and that doesn't even mean having to fight one of the Klits. It's extremely crummy matchmaking.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
How long has the dude been calling Wladimir out? And how many opportunities has he been given to actually fight Wladimir?
....it just looks bad man, he talks all that shit for YEARS and we still have no fight and have nothing trending towards this fight happening.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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miles
Ono, there is simply no justification for a fight with Audley Harrison on the back of a win over a 70 year old John Ruiz. It is one of the most shocking matchups in recent history. Even Amir Khan hasn't been stooping as low as this.
The Ruiz fight was supposed to be his gimme and there are at least a dozen better fights than this and that doesn't even mean having to fight one of the Klits. It's extremely crummy matchmaking.
Ruiz was a mandatory so I can understand that he gives up the belt his negotiation demands fall a little without a title, but Audley Harrison is a nobody he is now ranked 13 by the WBA but only recently been ranked because of this fight. Harrison on paper for me is ranked 5th maybe 6th in the UK.
He lost to Martin Rogan who was at the time what a 9/10 fight fighter? I would put big money on Chisora, Fury and Sexton all to beat him. I would make Sprott the favouirte if they fought again. I just don't know how you can justify fighting a guy who has beat no one whatsoever. The only way i would accept a fight against a fighter of this class if he was brought in last minute after Hayes original opponent had pulled out.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
Oh No it's looking more and more likely by the minute.
Sky Sports | Boxing | Your View | Audley claims Haye deal
And with that I leave and go off to work.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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miles
Ono, there is simply no justification for a fight with Audley Harrison on the back of a win over a 70 year old John Ruiz. It is one of the most shocking matchups in recent history. Even Amir Khan hasn't been stooping as low as this.
The Ruiz fight was supposed to be his gimme and there are at least a dozen better fights than this and that doesn't even mean having to fight one of the Klits. It's extremely crummy matchmaking.
The justification is money. It will sell, and it should be an easy win. Therefore it's great match-making. ;)
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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El Kabong
How long has the dude been calling Wladimir out? And how many opportunities has he been given to actually fight Wladimir?
....it just looks bad man, he talks all that shit for YEARS and we still have no fight and have nothing trending towards this fight happening.
Well they sat down and negotiated and Wlad wanted a rematch clause + a fight with his brother + all the non-uk tv money + all the gate receipts from the arena. So when you look at it like that, you could argue that Klitschko isn't that keen on the fight. I'll try and go through it as logically as i can...
If Klitschko wasn't so worried about Haye, why would he demand all of the above to fight him?
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That's not Wlad "being worried" that's Wlad being THE Champ and earning his fair share and rightfully so seeing how WLAD is the guy fighting in front of 60K plus
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El Kabong
That's not Wlad "being worried" that's Wlad being THE Champ and earning his fair share and rightfully so seeing how WLAD is the guy fighting in front of 60K plus
That's sort of my original point. Haye needs more bargaining power, because i actually reckon he would prefer the fight to be in England, or at least he would prefer to be on a more equal financial footing to either Klitschko when it comes to negotiating.
To do this he has to sell a lot of ppv's, and he has to hang on to his title. Harrison is perfect for this, as A) - it should be an easy fight, and B) - Sky will advertise the fuck out of it. Haye will get rich (again), the ppv does impressive numbers. Meanwhile Wlad bores his way through a rematch with Sam Peter.
Haye's stock rises further, Wlad's pretty much stays the same even if he wins, and that's provided he looks good.
Haye can then sit down and demand a fairer share of the deal. It's not even difficult to understand. Haye's been playing this game for over 2 years now. He's trying to put his name on equal footing to the Klitschko's, and he's actually doing quite well. Maybe not with the hardcores, but in effect they don't matter. He's appealing to the casuals and they're the fans who will make him a very rich man and the sort of following he continues to generate will continue to give him more weight at the negotiating table.
It's a game. You can say what you want about Haye, but he knows what he's doing. He's self-promoted himself from Friday Night Fight Night to PPV star, and he's made himself a lot of money on the way.
Do you really think he'd sell out the MEN without repeatedly calling out the Klitschko's? He's doing a cracking job and if it doesn't all end with him fighting either Klitschko (or both) then i'm Frank Warren. ;)
Edit: In other words Lyle, relax, it will happen.
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When?
Directly after the Harrison fight? After the Harrison fight and a WBA mandatory?
Of course you do know regardless of when its planned Chicken Little will call out Wlad and its just grown tiresome. Also I would like to point out that Don King is now in the mix and he has kept his boy Valuev safely hidden from the Klitschko's for quite some time now.
What happens to Chicken Little's drawing power if Audley makes a fight out of it or Chicken Little looks like Adamek did vs Grant and just earns a decision?
I'm just saying he's pushing his luck with these fights even if it doesn't seem like it.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
I'd rather see Haye fight Tyson Fury than Audley Harrison - for even more comedy value.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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El Kabong
When?
Directly after the Harrison fight? After the Harrison fight and a WBA mandatory?
Of course you do know regardless of when its planned Chicken Little will call out Wlad and its just grown tiresome. Also I would like to point out that Don King is now in the mix and he has kept his boy Valuev safely hidden from the Klitschko's for quite some time now.
What happens to Chicken Little's drawing power if Audley makes a fight out of it or Chicken Little looks like Adamek did vs Grant and just earns a decision?
I'm just saying he's pushing his luck with these fights even if it doesn't seem like it.
I agree, the more fights he has before he fights either Klitschko, the more chances he has of losing. In reality that risk of losing is far, far, far greater if he goes straight into a fight with eith Klitschko. The Harrison fight is a certain W in Haye's eyes.
I think he'll go Harrison - Mandatory - Vitali - Hopsital ;D
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He'd look like a total b*tch (well, more of one) if he didn't fight Wlad first....but it hasn't seemed to bother Chicken Little so far
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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El Kabong
He'd look like a total b*tch (well, more of one) if he didn't fight Wlad first....but it hasn't seemed to bother Chicken Little so far
Most casual fans don't know the difference between the Klitschko brothers. So in reality, it won't matter. He'll fight whoever he feels he has the better chance of beating. Imo, he has little chance of beating either of them.
I can see the theory behind Haye winning. He's got good lateral movement, and he he's very explosive and fast for a Heavyweight. He'll give Wlad and Vitali something different to think about, and both could struggle with Haye's movement.
The reality is Haye is too easy to hit with the jab and it'll only be a matter of time before he gets caught with a right hand over the top. Then it's curtains.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
I'll say it again - I'm all for this one to boost boxing in Britain
if haye had got his arse in gear - and fought 4 Audley months or so after Ruiz - with a view to going aftyer Wlad early next year I don't think people would moan so much (especially us Brits)
However its the fact that Haye may leave it another 10 months or so after this one that pisses people off - and I am totally with that one. He keeps saying he wants to retire soon but on no urgency to get in the ring.
Quick KO win against Audley and a Klit in April - how would that go down with you lot ??
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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What a fucking joke! Haye is deplorable for going through with this. All that smack talk and now he is fighting Audley Harrison? The heavyweight division might suck, but there are a lot more much better matchups than this out there.
Shame on David Haye. So much for reigniting the heavyweight division. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Yes, I agree. You can't go calling somebody out like he's been doing and then completely bottle it! It's embarassing!
You can see why he's done it though - if he gets sparked next fight by one of the Klitschko's it's a slow road back - but picking up some cash for fighting Audley in a tune-up for a Klitschko gives him longer in the limelight before he gets KO'd.
I still think he has a decent punchers chance against Wlad but the so does Audley against haye......
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He'd look like a total b*tch (well, more of one) if he didn't fight Wlad first....but it hasn't seemed to bother Chicken Little so far
The thing is though Lyle you have to look at PPV sales in Britain as that will be the biggest money maker for a fight between Haye and either Klit. And in reality Vitali is a lot better known by the armchair boxing fan due to his fights with Lennox and Herbie Hide and Vitali is also known as the better brother too by the average fan. I used to agree with that but Vitali is on the slide now and I feel Wlad is the better of the 2.
All in all Vitali would be the bigger money maker for Haye and I think he is the easier option so I think that is who Haye will take first.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
Little look at Audleys recent history...........
Audleys last 5 years:
2005 L12 Danny Williams
2006 L10 Dominic Guinn
2006 KO3 Andrew Greeley 10 wins 11 losses (wow!!)
2006 TKO3 Danny Williams (only half decent win)
2007 KNOCKED out in round 3 by Michael Sprott
2008 TKO5 Jason Barnet 10 wins 6 losses ( way to step up)
2008 W10 George Arias 41 wins 10 LOSSES
2008 LOST to 10 fight vet Martin Rogan
2009 wins 3 in a row in 1 night in scheduled "3 rounders"
against fighters with 6 pro fights, 8 pro fights and 10 pro fights
2010 getting beat comfortably by a fighter with 14 losses until he landed a lucky/good punch in the last round to win...
So do people really think this is acceptable he is also ranked 42nd in the division.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
Because I'm English, this fight isn't so bad but
But alos because I'm a boxing fan, this fight is a pile of shite.
Lastly because I have lost respect for David Haye, I hope Audley knocks him out ;D
I hope this makes sense ???
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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Because I'm English, this fight isn't so bad
thats the angle I'm coming from and I fully understand why guys overseas think its a farce.
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
Chicken Little is now giving to Audley Harrison on twitter.
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Shut the Fcuk up Fraudley. If some how we ever do fight, that career high pay day you crave won't cover your medical bills! Pipe down.....
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He knows he is going to fight him, just come out and admit it you coward.
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Chicken Little is now giving to Audley Harrison on twitter.
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Shut the Fcuk up Fraudley. If some how we ever do fight, that career high pay day you crave won't cover your medical bills! Pipe down.....
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He knows he is going to fight him, just come out and admit it you coward.
....so lazy he took time off of trash talking, but I suppose that hiatus is now over :vd:
Why not go after the British belt? At least there is a point to that fight even if Chicken Little has the WBA belt (which one can hardly consider a "World Title" anymore...it's just a DKP/Sauerland belt)
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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El Kabong
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koppas
Chicken Little is now giving to Audley Harrison on twitter.
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Shut the Fcuk up Fraudley. If some how we ever do fight, that career high pay day you crave won't cover your medical bills! Pipe down.....
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He knows he is going to fight him, just come out and admit it you coward.
....so lazy he took time off of trash talking, but I suppose that hiatus is now over :vd:
Why not go after the British belt? At least there is a point to that fight even if Chicken Little has the WBA belt (which one can hardly consider a "World Title" anymore...it's just a DKP/Sauerland belt)
To be fair though Lyle none of the alphabet titles mean much anymore. The one that matters IMO is the RING belt.
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To be fair though Lyle none of the alphabet titles mean much anymore. The one that matters IMO is the RING belt.
Belts are what you make of them....if you fight the best the belts mean more and if you don't then people stop caring about it
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Re: Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Are
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El Kabong
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To be fair though Lyle none of the alphabet titles mean much anymore. The one that matters IMO is the RING belt.
Belts are what you make of them....if you fight the best the belts mean more and if you don't then people stop caring about it
It's funny you bring this up because yesterday someone asked me who has the title that the likes of Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano held and I had to explain that it is actually Haye although most people (in boxing) don't consider him the real champ.
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rjj tszyu
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El Kabong
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rjj tszyu
To be fair though Lyle none of the alphabet titles mean much anymore. The one that matters IMO is the RING belt.
Belts are what you make of them....if you fight the best the belts mean more and if you don't then people stop caring about it
It's funny you bring this up because yesterday someone asked me who has the title that the likes of Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano held and I had to explain that it is actually Haye although most people (in boxing) don't consider him the real champ.
like Lyle said, the belt is what you make of it, and well no one of late has really given the WBA heavyweight title (or in any division really) much worth, especially when the likes of Ruiz, Valuev, and Chagaev have been the only ones fighting for it for like the last 3 years
