Should be confirmed soon its David Haye v Audley Harrison 13th November M.E.N Arena

[Gandalf]

My beef is that the fight is just so extraordinarily meaningless. I mean, what schlups are really going to want to pay for this farce? Nobody in their right mind seriously expects it to go more than 3 rounds. Maybe Haye will carry Audley to the 6th and end it there. But Harrison will probably collapse regardless before it even gets to that point. It's a farcical matchup. The worst in recent memory. You can understand a fighter coming back after a loss taking such a fight, but not a fighter who has an unbeaten run and already had an easy fight since winning the belt.

[rjj tszyu]

My beef is that the fight is just so extraordinarily meaningless. I mean, what schlups are really going to want to pay for this farce? Nobody in their right mind seriously expects it to go more than 3 rounds. Maybe Haye will carry Audley to the 6th and end it there. But Harrison will probably collapse regardless before it even gets to that point. It's a farcical matchup. The worst in recent memory. You can understand a fighter coming back after a loss taking such a fight, but not a fighter who has an unbeaten run and already had an easy fight since winning the belt.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole situation!

[ono]

Everything happens for a reason.

Haye wasn't happy with all the clauses and shit that the klits were putting into contracts so he's said fuck you I can make money else where. And thats exactly what he's doing.

There is an element of danger in this fight cuz if audley gets that luck punch and KO's Haye, then it really is all over. This is an everything to lose and nothing to gain fight. Haye should win it though and within the first 4 rounds.

No Audley doesn't deserve a title shot, but then neither does shannon briggs, Chris Arreola, Sam Peter (after already squandering two chances by not even bothering to get in shape), sosnowski, Eddie chambers..... I really could go on....


people like lyle and skel and whoever can speculate and take sides and call whoever they like a pussy.

No one on here knows what was in the discussions between the Haye and klit camp. And that is the fact. No one knows. It's just down to hear say and who you do or don't want to believe.

No one is able to say haye is a pussy or haye ducked someone until haye's career is over and we're looking back over it.

You are in cloud cuckoo land. Each of those fighters bolded above has achieved FAR beyond what Audley ever has in the pro ranks. The simple facts are that Haye has talked smack, backed out of fights against the Klits and instead of fighting anyway half way decent, has now decided to fight Audley Harrison. The guy is a sham and you don't need to wait until his career is over to come to that kind of conclusion.

Of course you do.

He's already fought and won in a Crusierweight and Heavyweight champions backyard and got the win. He's pursued a fight with both Klitshcko's. Why doesn't anybody moan about the rematch clauses the Klitschko's put in or the fact that Haye would only get paid via the UK TV money?

I think Haye has realised he can make a shit load of money fighting 'sure things' (if such a thing exists in Boxing) in the UK in front of 20 odd thousand. So what's wrong with him doing that? Nothing imo, provided he fights a Klitschko afterwards. That's why we have to wait and see. I think he wants to fight either Klitschko in England, and to do that he needs to be a massive draw. In the UK, Harrison is a bigger name than any of the Eastern European fights (with the exception of either Klitschko), and he's a bigger name than any of the American fighters. The PPV will probably generate around £20m in the UK. Add that to the majority share of the gate receipts, and it becomes a no brainer.

Think about it logicaally. If you were Haye, would you want to make £15m-£20m with the opportunity of making even more money against a Klitschko, or even both Klitschko's, or do you want to make £20m from fighting a Klitschko, but then losing and being left with little options. It's a no brainer.

Chances are he'll get knocked out by either Klitschko and then it'll all be over for him. He needs to make his oney now
now, and he needs to have as much in his favour as possible when he comes to sit down to talk with the Klitschko's.

People need to be more patient. For the record, i hope the A-Train beats him. It would be quality.

[Gandalf]

Ono, there is simply no justification for a fight with Audley Harrison on the back of a win over a 70 year old John Ruiz. It is one of the most shocking matchups in recent history. Even Amir Khan hasn't been stooping as low as this.

The Ruiz fight was supposed to be his gimme and there are at least a dozen better fights than this and that doesn't even mean having to fight one of the Klits. It's extremely crummy matchmaking.

[El Kabong]

How long has the dude been calling Wladimir out? And how many opportunities has he been given to actually fight Wladimir?

....it just looks bad man, he talks all that shit for YEARS and we still have no fight and have nothing trending towards this fight happening.

[skel1983]

Ono, there is simply no justification for a fight with Audley Harrison on the back of a win over a 70 year old John Ruiz. It is one of the most shocking matchups in recent history. Even Amir Khan hasn't been stooping as low as this.

The Ruiz fight was supposed to be his gimme and there are at least a dozen better fights than this and that doesn't even mean having to fight one of the Klits. It's extremely crummy matchmaking.

Ruiz was a mandatory so I can understand that he gives up the belt his negotiation demands fall a little without a title, but Audley Harrison is a nobody he is now ranked 13 by the WBA but only recently been ranked because of this fight. Harrison on paper for me is ranked 5th maybe 6th in the UK.

He lost to Martin Rogan who was at the time what a 9/10 fight fighter? I would put big money on Chisora, Fury and Sexton all to beat him. I would make Sprott the favouirte if they fought again. I just don't know how you can justify fighting a guy who has beat no one whatsoever. The only way i would accept a fight against a fighter of this class if he was brought in last minute after Hayes original opponent had pulled out.

[rjj tszyu]

Oh No it's looking more and more likely by the minute.

Sky Sports | Boxing | Your View | Audley claims Haye deal

And with that I leave and go off to work.

[ono]

Ono, there is simply no justification for a fight with Audley Harrison on the back of a win over a 70 year old John Ruiz. It is one of the most shocking matchups in recent history. Even Amir Khan hasn't been stooping as low as this.

The Ruiz fight was supposed to be his gimme and there are at least a dozen better fights than this and that doesn't even mean having to fight one of the Klits. It's extremely crummy matchmaking.

The justification is money. It will sell, and it should be an easy win. Therefore it's great match-making.

[ono]

How long has the dude been calling Wladimir out? And how many opportunities has he been given to actually fight Wladimir?

....it just looks bad man, he talks all that shit for YEARS and we still have no fight and have nothing trending towards this fight happening.

Well they sat down and negotiated and Wlad wanted a rematch clause + a fight with his brother + all the non-uk tv money + all the gate receipts from the arena. So when you look at it like that, you could argue that Klitschko isn't that keen on the fight. I'll try and go through it as logically as i can...

If Klitschko wasn't so worried about Haye, why would he demand all of the above to fight him?

[El Kabong]

That's not Wlad "being worried" that's Wlad being THE Champ and earning his fair share and rightfully so seeing how WLAD is the guy fighting in front of 60K plus

[ono]

That's not Wlad "being worried" that's Wlad being THE Champ and earning his fair share and rightfully so seeing how WLAD is the guy fighting in front of 60K plus

That's sort of my original point. Haye needs more bargaining power, because i actually reckon he would prefer the fight to be in England, or at least he would prefer to be on a more equal financial footing to either Klitschko when it comes to negotiating.

To do this he has to sell a lot of ppv's, and he has to hang on to his title. Harrison is perfect for this, as A) - it should be an easy fight, and B) - Sky will advertise the fuck out of it. Haye will get rich (again), the ppv does impressive numbers. Meanwhile Wlad bores his way through a rematch with Sam Peter.

Haye's stock rises further, Wlad's pretty much stays the same even if he wins, and that's provided he looks good.

Haye can then sit down and demand a fairer share of the deal. It's not even difficult to understand. Haye's been playing this game for over 2 years now. He's trying to put his name on equal footing to the Klitschko's, and he's actually doing quite well. Maybe not with the hardcores, but in effect they don't matter. He's appealing to the casuals and they're the fans who will make him a very rich man and the sort of following he continues to generate will continue to give him more weight at the negotiating table.

It's a game. You can say what you want about Haye, but he knows what he's doing. He's self-promoted himself from Friday Night Fight Night to PPV star, and he's made himself a lot of money on the way.

Do you really think he'd sell out the MEN without repeatedly calling out the Klitschko's? He's doing a cracking job and if it doesn't all end with him fighting either Klitschko (or both) then i'm Frank Warren.

Edit: In other words Lyle, relax, it will happen.

[El Kabong]

When?

Directly after the Harrison fight? After the Harrison fight and a WBA mandatory?

Of course you do know regardless of when its planned Chicken Little will call out Wlad and its just grown tiresome. Also I would like to point out that Don King is now in the mix and he has kept his boy Valuev safely hidden from the Klitschko's for quite some time now.

What happens to Chicken Little's drawing power if Audley makes a fight out of it or Chicken Little looks like Adamek did vs Grant and just earns a decision?

I'm just saying he's pushing his luck with these fights even if it doesn't seem like it.

[boxingbantz]

I'd rather see Haye fight Tyson Fury than Audley Harrison - for even more comedy value.

[ono]

When?

Directly after the Harrison fight? After the Harrison fight and a WBA mandatory?

Of course you do know regardless of when its planned Chicken Little will call out Wlad and its just grown tiresome. Also I would like to point out that Don King is now in the mix and he has kept his boy Valuev safely hidden from the Klitschko's for quite some time now.

What happens to Chicken Little's drawing power if Audley makes a fight out of it or Chicken Little looks like Adamek did vs Grant and just earns a decision?

I'm just saying he's pushing his luck with these fights even if it doesn't seem like it.

I agree, the more fights he has before he fights either Klitschko, the more chances he has of losing. In reality that risk of losing is far, far, far greater if he goes straight into a fight with eith Klitschko. The Harrison fight is a certain W in Haye's eyes.

I think he'll go Harrison - Mandatory - Vitali - Hopsital

[El Kabong]

He'd look like a total b*tch (well, more of one) if he didn't fight Wlad first....but it hasn't seemed to bother Chicken Little so far