isnt as black and white as what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
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isnt as black and white as what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
No, your missing the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted ??? Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.
Mate are you sure you havent been punched repeatedly in the head with bricks?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44isnt as black and white as what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
does it matter whether its a cheap shot or an expensive way to, improve your prospects?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie ManNo, your missing the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted ??? Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.
dude common
its you who is missing the point
drug cheats are cheats, you cant exactly evaluate the advantage it gives you, but you get a big advantage
is it worse than loaded gloves? maybe maybe not, but its still a massive advantage in a fight
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Originally Posted by MemphisMate are you sure you havent been punched repeatedly in the head with bricks?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44isnt as black and white as what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
look dude, you said it your self, cheating is cheating is cheating
the only thing that isnt black and white is how much drugs they took, and how roided up they were
they still cheated
Eric is a pretty good windup I must admit. Not funny, but frustrating. I agree with what Memphis said about INTENT. The intent for loading your gloves is much more sinister then that of using steroids. I still believe both are really bad.
i cannot believe i am having a discussion with people who are saying taking steroids is more acceptable than loading your glovesQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
its pretty funny really
:vd: I actually can't think of the last time I neg repped someone ???Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44does it matter whether its a cheap shot or an expensive way to, improve your prospects?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie ManNo, your missing the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted ??? Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.
dude common
its you who is missing the point
drug cheats are cheats, you cant exactly evaluate the advantage it gives you, but you get a big advantage
is it worse than loaded gloves? maybe maybe not, but its still a massive advantage in a fight
Your a proper weirdo mate, you need clinical help. :-\
It matters as far as reputation and punishment is concerned.
And as stated before, it's not about evaluating damage, it's about the evaluating the degree of illicit steps taken inflict damage.
your pretty sad dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44does it matter whether its a cheap shot or an expensive way to, improve your prospects?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie ManNo, your missing the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted ??? Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.
dude common
its you who is missing the point
drug cheats are cheats, you cant exactly evaluate the advantage it gives you, but you get a big advantage
is it worse than loaded gloves? maybe maybe not, but its still a massive advantage in a fight
I actually can't think of the last time I neg repped someone ???
Your a proper weirdo mate, you need clinical help. :-\
you always neg someone when they beat you in an argument?
again this is what the thread is all about, margs reputation in tatters, hollyfield a hero, both cheatsQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
do you know what steps are taken to take steroids? and the advantages it gives you?
How did you 'beat' anyone? You question yourself if one is worse than the other, how can you be surprised if people see it differently to you?
if i didnt beat him why did he neg me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
i dont know which is worse, you seem sure its loaded gloves and that margs should be punished
i disagree and i dont think he should be treated any differently
Which was kinda my point :) You arent sure, but are sure that the people who are sure are wrong, is that it? :)
Just to summarise. Both are wrong, both are cheating, both should be punished. The intent from Margarito and or his team was far worse.
Thats my opinion anyway, I hope its ok? ;D
Well it depends where Margarito goes from here. That's why he is very lucky to get this fight with Pacquiao. It's a chance at the beginning of redemption for him. In 10 years the view on Margarito may of softened somewhat, then again it may worsen... It all depends on what he does next. He has time though, that's the important thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44again this is what the thread is all about, margs reputation in tatters, hollyfield a hero, both cheatsQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
But Holyfield isn't exactly a hero. I mean, he has his fair share of critics too. Especially when the news first broke!
The only (vital) difference (and part of my argument) between Holyfield and Margarito is that Holyfield hasn't been found guilty of anything. Therefore he is not a cheat. An undeniable fact.
The only real sad thing is; that there probably is a great injustice in all of this because as I said before boxing sucks in updating and enforcing it's anti-doping policies. I could well be agreeing with you if it were for a bit of competence. But it's just not possible.
So for now dude, your gonna have to agree with me on this or look like a complete mong in refusing to do so :p
Steroids:-Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
1. You take them
2. You train harder/ Your body responds better.
3. You get better results
Loaded Gloves:-
1. You take them
2. You get better results
;)
i hear what you are sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
i am not sure, but if there is a difference, its very slight either way
let me give you an example
i have been weight lifting for a long time, i dont take steroids, kids come into our gym, much smaller than me, start a course of steroids, and from lifting considerably less than me start to lift more than me and are still smaller than me
these kids probably arent doing steroids properly, got their drugs from who knows who
a professional boxer you would expect to get the best drugs and administer them in the correct way and so get a better advantage than the kids in the gym
the advantage of a steroid user is massive, the advantage of someone with loaded gloves is massive, who knows which has teh biggest advantag but they are both cheating in a massive way
thats my opinion anyway, i hope thats ok? :)
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Originally Posted by The Boogie ManWell it depends where Margarito goes from here. That's why he is very lucky to get this fight with Pacquiao. It's a chance at the beginning of redemption for him. In 10 years the view on Margarito may of softened somewhat, then again it may worsen... It all depends on what he does next. He has time though, that's the important thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44again this is what the thread is all about, margs reputation in tatters, hollyfield a hero, both cheatsQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
But Holyfield isn't exactly a hero. I mean, he has his fair share of critics too. Especially when the news first broke!
The only (vital) difference (and part of my argument) between Holyfield and Margarito is that Holyfield hasn't been found guilty of anything. Therefore he is not a cheat. An undeniable fact.
The only real sad thing is; that there probably is a great injustice in all of this because as I said before boxing sucks in updating and enforcing it's anti-doping policies. I could well be agreeing with you if it were for a bit of competence. But it's just not possible.
So for now dude, your gonna have to agree with me on this or look like a complete mong in refusing to do so :p
Steroids:-Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
1. You take them
2. You train harder
3. You get better results
Loaded Gloves:-
1. You take them
2. You get better results
;)
i give you a challenge
do a bench press today see how much you can lift
start doing steroids, do no more training
in six weeks or so when the roids are at their peak do another bench press see how much you can lift
i can garentee it will be considerably more
;)
Okay I'll give you a challenge in return...
Don't do any training at all, punch a wall. See how much damage it does?
Two weeks later, after no training at all, load you gloves up. Punch the same wall. See how much damage it does?
Again, it's not about the actual damaged caused. It's about the short-cut I took to obtain better results.
The measure of illicit steps taken to inflict damage :cool:
BTW, I won't be using roids dude. Shame on you for even suggesting it :p
Oh an I neg-reped you cause your a mong :la:
Maybe you neg-repped me back because you want me to stop wiping my arse with your reputation?
man, it deosnt matter how long it takesQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
they would time it perfectly for the fight so they had the maximum effects from the steroids
yes, you could get an instant his from a loaded glove, doesnt make it worse :)
you might like a course of roids, makes you feel like superman apparently :cool:
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Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
:) easy debates like this just enhance my standing
it was an easy win
whos next? ;)
Haha! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
:) easy debates like this just enhance my standing
it was an easy win
whos next? ;)
Fair enough then, someone give the boy a hand.
Oh bwoy. :11fb8:You must be out of your fukkin mind if you think you're winning this troll thread that you created.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
:) easy debates like this just enhance my standing
it was an easy win
whos next? ;)
...And don't act like you're surprised with the neg reps that you've been taking.
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
:) easy debates like this just enhance my standing
it was an easy win
whos next? ;)
Oh bwoy. :11fb8:You must be out of your fukkin mind if you think you're winning this troll thread that you created.
...And don't act like you're surprised with the neg reps that you've been taking.
shut up with this stupid troll shit you mong :)
A better question would be:
If you could cheat and get away with it, would you?
So if someone said they have Redbull extreme which will not only improve your boxing prowess, but also make you better in bed and is 100% untracable, would you take it and cheat your way to the top?
its a good question
i reckon the vast majority would
I think the answer is alot of people are suspected of doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Without proper regulation there is basically no limit to the levels a man could go to in order to gain an advantage.
BTW, still no takers on giving Eric a hand ??? Just one little clap... No?
Not yet then, maybe later.
Much less than using brass knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44using steroid is a dangerous weaponQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
youre wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessMuch less than using brass knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44using steroid is a dangerous weaponQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but even if it was less its still a massive advantage over a fighter that is clean
Roy Jones used Ripp Fuel; which is not steroids. And it was only illegal in that weird little state that he fought in, and not even knew it was illegal at the time. So it is a little unfair to group him with the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Also Holyfield has never been caught using steriods(although there is mounting evidence that he probably did)
ill have to take your word for it on roy jonesQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance UppercutRoy Jones used Ripp Fuel; which is not steroids. And it was only illegal in that weird little state that he fought in, and not even knew it was illegal at the time. So it is a little unfair to group him with the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Also Holyfield has never been caught using steriods(although there is mounting evidence that he probably did)
i cant remember what happened :)
Absolutely not. Your ignorance and refusal to admit the facts are just annoying, brass knuckle = potentially lethal weapons, steroids aren't in the same repertoire. Are you trying to say that Luis Resto and Panama Lewis shouldn't have been ban for life for what they did and that a one year suspension like the one Margarito had should have been ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44youre wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessMuch less than using brass knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44using steroid is a dangerous weaponQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but even if it was less its still a massive advantage over a fighter that is clean
this is exactly what i could say to you dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessAbsolutely not. Your ignorance and refusal to admit the facts are just annoying, brass knuckle = potentially lethal weapons, steroids aren't in the same repertoire. Are you trying to say that Luis Resto and Panama Lewis shouldn't have been ban for life for what they did and that a one year suspension like the one Margarito had should have been ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44youre wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessMuch less than using brass knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44using steroid is a dangerous weaponQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but even if it was less its still a massive advantage over a fighter that is clean
i am not denying loading your gloves is a leathal, its a dirty thing margs did
but so is taking steroids, the physical advantages it gives you are massive
i dont know how to put my point across any more than that
and the point of the thread is, is that its a dirty way to cheat just like loading your gloves, and im not saying margarito should be liked or that his ban or anyone elses ban was right or wrong, im just saying they should be treated the same as steroid users
Have you ever done physics classes for god's sake? On your own assessment, Steroids can enhance perhaps from 10-15% the strength of somebody. Do you know what is the level of pressure in brass knuckles? it triples or more the force of impact, which is.... infinitely more damageable than Steroids.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44this is exactly what i could say to you dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessAbsolutely not. Your ignorance and refusal to admit the facts are just annoying, brass knuckle = potentially lethal weapons, steroids aren't in the same repertoire. Are you trying to say that Luis Resto and Panama Lewis shouldn't have been ban for life for what they did and that a one year suspension like the one Margarito had should have been ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44youre wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessMuch less than using brass knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44using steroid is a dangerous weaponQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but even if it was less its still a massive advantage over a fighter that is clean
i am not denying loading your gloves is a leathal, its a dirty thing margs did
but so is taking steroids, the physical advantages it gives you are massive
i dont know how to put my point across any more than that
and the point of the thread is, is that its a dirty way to cheat just like loading your gloves, and im not saying margarito should be liked or that his ban or anyone elses ban was right or wrong, im just saying they should be treated the same as steroid users
You do not seem to get the point about how more it is damageable.
Also, spare me the bullshit that a cheater is a cheater, there is different levels of severity, steroids should be banned for a good year, using a potentially lethal weapon should be banned forever. Both should be punished but in a different way. PAnama Lewis and Luis Resto got a life ban for the use of plaster and removing padding in gloves, why would MArgarito, who did something as severe, should receive less?
You dodged these points before, hope you will not try to dodge them again if you decide to persist in your non-sense.
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Originally Posted by NamelessHave you ever done physics classes for god's sake? On your own assessment, Steroids can enhance perhaps from 10-15% the strength of somebody. Do you know what is the level of pressure in brass knuckles? it triples or more the force of impact, which is.... infinitely more damageable than Steroids.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44this is exactly what i could say to you dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessAbsolutely not. Your ignorance and refusal to admit the facts are just annoying, brass knuckle = potentially lethal weapons, steroids aren't in the same repertoire. Are you trying to say that Luis Resto and Panama Lewis shouldn't have been ban for life for what they did and that a one year suspension like the one Margarito had should have been ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44youre wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessMuch less than using brass knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44using steroid is a dangerous weaponQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but even if it was less its still a massive advantage over a fighter that is clean
i am not denying loading your gloves is a leathal, its a dirty thing margs did
but so is taking steroids, the physical advantages it gives you are massive
i dont know how to put my point across any more than that
and the point of the thread is, is that its a dirty way to cheat just like loading your gloves, and im not saying margarito should be liked or that his ban or anyone elses ban was right or wrong, im just saying they should be treated the same as steroid users
You do not seem to get the point about how more it is damageable.
Also, spare me the bullshit that a cheater is a cheater, there is different levels of severity, steroids should be banned for a good year, using a potentially lethal weapon should be banned forever. Both should be punished but in a different way. PAnama Lewis and Luis Resto got a life ban for the use of plaster and removing padding in gloves, why would MArgarito, who did something as severe, should receive less?
You dodged these points before, hope you will not try to dodge them again if you decide to persist in your non-sense.
why are you so upset dude, chill
the weighting system is designed so that boxers entering the ring are as evenly matched as possible, i personally think that 10-15% advantage for a boxer (remember that could be strength, power, speed and stamina) when he is already at the peak of his physical condition could be leathal
you obviously dont
maybe we should continue this another day bro, you seem a little too angry
p.s. i havent dodged anything, i have answered the same question and said the same thing (in a different way) over and over again