cheating

[amat]

Eric is a pretty good windup I must admit. Not funny, but frustrating. I agree with what Memphis said about INTENT. The intent for loading your gloves is much more sinister then that of using steroids. I still believe both are really bad.

[erics44]

Eric is a pretty good windup I must admit. Not funny, but frustrating. I agree with what Memphis said about INTENT. The intent for loading your gloves is much more sinister then that of using steroids. I still believe both are really bad.

i cannot believe i am having a discussion with people who are saying taking steroids is more acceptable than loading your gloves

its pretty funny really

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

No, your missing the point.

does it matter which is worse?

Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.

Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.

does it matter whether its a cheap shot or an expensive way to, improve your prospects?

dude common

its you who is missing the point

drug cheats are cheats, you cant exactly evaluate the advantage it gives you, but you get a big advantage

is it worse than loaded gloves? maybe maybe not, but its still a massive advantage in a fight

I actually can't think of the last time I neg repped someone
Your a proper weirdo mate, you need clinical help.


It matters as far as reputation and punishment is concerned.
And as stated before, it's not about evaluating damage, it's about the evaluating the degree of illicit steps taken inflict damage.

[erics44]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

No, your missing the point.

does it matter which is worse?

Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.

Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.

does it matter whether its a cheap shot or an expensive way to, improve your prospects?

dude common

its you who is missing the point

drug cheats are cheats, you cant exactly evaluate the advantage it gives you, but you get a big advantage

is it worse than loaded gloves? maybe maybe not, but its still a massive advantage in a fight

I actually can't think of the last time I neg repped someone

Your a proper weirdo mate, you need clinical help.

your pretty sad dude

you always neg someone when they beat you in an argument?

[erics44]

I actually can't think of the last time I neg repped someone
Your a proper weirdo mate, you need clinical help.


It matters as far as reputation and punishment is concerned.
And as stated before, it's not about evaluating damage, it's about the evaluating the degree of illicit steps taken inflict damage.

again this is what the thread is all about, margs reputation in tatters, hollyfield a hero, both cheats

do you know what steps are taken to take steroids? and the advantages it gives you?

[Memphis]

How did you 'beat' anyone? You question yourself if one is worse than the other, how can you be surprised if people see it differently to you?

[erics44]

How did you 'beat' anyone? You question yourself if one is worse than the other, how can you be surprised if people see it differently to you?

if i didnt beat him why did he neg me?

i dont know which is worse, you seem sure its loaded gloves and that margs should be punished

i disagree and i dont think he should be treated any differently

[Memphis]

Which was kinda my point You arent sure, but are sure that the people who are sure are wrong, is that it?

Just to summarise. Both are wrong, both are cheating, both should be punished. The intent from Margarito and or his team was far worse.

Thats my opinion anyway, I hope its ok?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I actually can't think of the last time I neg repped someone
Your a proper weirdo mate, you need clinical help.


It matters as far as reputation and punishment is concerned.
And as stated before, it's not about evaluating damage, it's about the evaluating the degree of illicit steps taken inflict damage.

again this is what the thread is all about, margs reputation in tatters, hollyfield a hero, both cheats

Well it depends where Margarito goes from here. That's why he is very lucky to get this fight with Pacquiao. It's a chance at the beginning of redemption for him. In 10 years the view on Margarito may of softened somewhat, then again it may worsen... It all depends on what he does next. He has time though, that's the important thing.

But Holyfield isn't exactly a hero. I mean, he has his fair share of critics too. Especially when the news first broke!
The only (vital) difference (and part of my argument) between Holyfield and Margarito is that Holyfield hasn't been found guilty of anything. Therefore he is not a cheat. An undeniable fact.

The only real sad thing is; that there probably is a great injustice in all of this because as I said before boxing sucks in updating and enforcing it's anti-doping policies. I could well be agreeing with you if it were for a bit of competence. But it's just not possible.

So for now dude, your gonna have to agree with me on this or look like a complete mong in refusing to do so

do you know what steps are taken to take steroids? and the advantages it gives you?

Steroids:-
1. You take them
2. You train harder/ Your body responds better.
3. You get better results

Loaded Gloves:-
1. You take them
2. You get better results

[erics44]

Which was kinda my point You arent sure, but are sure that the people who are sure are wrong, is that it?

Just to summarise. Both are wrong, both are cheating, both should be punished. The intent from Margarito and or his team was far worse.

Thats my opinion anyway, I hope its ok?

i hear what you are saying

i am not sure, but if there is a difference, its very slight either way

let me give you an example

i have been weight lifting for a long time, i dont take steroids, kids come into our gym, much smaller than me, start a course of steroids, and from lifting considerably less than me start to lift more than me and are still smaller than me

these kids probably arent doing steroids properly, got their drugs from who knows who

a professional boxer you would expect to get the best drugs and administer them in the correct way and so get a better advantage than the kids in the gym

the advantage of a steroid user is massive, the advantage of someone with loaded gloves is massive, who knows which has teh biggest advantag but they are both cheating in a massive way

thats my opinion anyway, i hope thats ok?

[erics44]

I actually can't think of the last time I neg repped someone
Your a proper weirdo mate, you need clinical help.


It matters as far as reputation and punishment is concerned.
And as stated before, it's not about evaluating damage, it's about the evaluating the degree of illicit steps taken inflict damage.

again this is what the thread is all about, margs reputation in tatters, hollyfield a hero, both cheats

Well it depends where Margarito goes from here. That's why he is very lucky to get this fight with Pacquiao. It's a chance at the beginning of redemption for him. In 10 years the view on Margarito may of softened somewhat, then again it may worsen... It all depends on what he does next. He has time though, that's the important thing.

But Holyfield isn't exactly a hero. I mean, he has his fair share of critics too. Especially when the news first broke!
The only (vital) difference (and part of my argument) between Holyfield and Margarito is that Holyfield hasn't been found guilty of anything. Therefore he is not a cheat. An undeniable fact.

The only real sad thing is; that there probably is a great injustice in all of this because as I said before boxing sucks in updating and enforcing it's anti-doping policies. I could well be agreeing with you if it were for a bit of competence. But it's just not possible.

So for now dude, your gonna have to agree with me on this or look like a complete mong in refusing to do so

do you know what steps are taken to take steroids? and the advantages it gives you?

Steroids:-
1. You take them
2. You train harder
3. You get better results

Loaded Gloves:-
1. You take them
2. You get better results

i give you a challenge

do a bench press today see how much you can lift

start doing steroids, do no more training

in six weeks or so when the roids are at their peak do another bench press see how much you can lift

i can garentee it will be considerably more

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Okay I'll give you a challenge in return...

Don't do any training at all, punch a wall. See how much damage it does?

Two weeks later, after no training at all, load you gloves up. Punch the same wall. See how much damage it does?

Again, it's not about the actual damaged caused. It's about the short-cut I took to obtain better results.
The measure of illicit steps taken to inflict damage


BTW, I won't be using roids dude. Shame on you for even suggesting it

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Oh an I neg-reped you cause your a mong

Maybe you neg-repped me back because you want me to stop wiping my arse with your reputation?

[erics44]

Okay I'll give you a challenge in return...

Don't do any training at all, punch a wall. See how much damage it does?

Two weeks later, after no training at all, load you gloves up. Punch the same wall. See how much damage it does?

Again, it's not about the actual damaged caused. It's about the short-cut I took to obtain better results.
The measure of illicit steps taken to inflict damage


BTW, I won't be using roids dude. Shame on you for even suggesting it

man, it deosnt matter how long it takes

they would time it perfectly for the fight so they had the maximum effects from the steroids

yes, you could get an instant his from a loaded glove, doesnt make it worse

you might like a course of roids, makes you feel like superman apparently

[erics44]

Oh an I neg-reped you cause your a mong

Maybe you neg-repped me back because you want me to stop wiping my arse with your reputation?

easy debates like this just enhance my standing

it was an easy win

whos next?