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Originally Posted by Ant Live
Bhop is lobbying to get Shane this fight. He could care less about Mayweather.
Shane is his friend, business partner, training partner, shares trainer, and Shane WANTS the fight with Pac or anybody top notch, he won't turn down a fight.
Shane is my favorite fighter, and I like Pac, so I really don't want to see that one. Shane gets hit too much, and has no quit.
I agree, SHane even in his prime was no slick boxer. He still got tagged quite a bit. When I'm thinking slick, it's Sweetpea and Mayweather that comes to mind, the defensive fighters that are hard as hell to hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
Bhop is lobbying to get Shane this fight. He could care less about Mayweather.
Shane is his friend, business partner, training partner, shares trainer, and Shane WANTS the fight with Pac or anybody top notch, he won't turn down a fight.
Shane is my favorite fighter, and I like Pac, so I really don't want to see that one. Shane gets hit too much, and has no quit.
Berto ain't slick, and neither are Bradley and Alexander, especially Alexander. Hell a lot of people thought he lost against slow as hell Kotelnik, Alexander was getting tagged every round by a freaking jab!
As people have said, I think he's trying to get a fight for Shane. But Shane at this point is pretty much washed up.
Yeah. If JMM was so elusive then how come he got knocked down 5 times (counting the one when he held the rope) against Pac?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainJMM wasn't slick or elusive, he counter punched his way throughout 12 rounds. What the fuck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinYeah genius...how can you be slick and elusive and survive Pac...wait a minute...Marquez did it twice. Stop being a nuthugger. It's easy to give "hell" to fighters that are slow and walk into your punches. Don't jump off a bridge when Floyd does what Marquez did except 100 times more effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Floyd wont even get in the ring with pac cause he knows he aint going to be 100 times more effective against pac.
Your the one nuthugging floyds pussy where there once balls.
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Even a slow Barrera caught him with a good one (or two) ;D
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Plus Pac fought him twice in their best weight class. Floyd fought him at Floyd's best weightclass after he cheated JMM at the weigh-in scale.
Floyd is catchable too...
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Like the homie O said,
Pac got no problem fighting Africans . He gave Dominicans a try. But he got his ass whooped and almost started to cry. So he never went back. Thus the ducking of Joan Guzman.
He hasn't attempted Cubans or African Americans at all, at least not anyone we know. Picking David Diaz over Joel Casamayor and Nate Campbell (the real Champions) was just shameful. His fanbase excuse doesn't even work there. Both clearly trump David fukkin Diaz.
Ah man Bernard needs to sit down on this one. Quite a reach...was Mosley standing behind his business partner with this expression ":-X"
Call this the Dempsey argument I suppose ?!
It must really be hard on you that another ES-A joined the victim list. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Must be hard on you that a juiced up Flipa is all you got. Oh the list of fails is long. Nonito Donaire is a sham. Rey Bautista transformed into Rey Bumtista. Marvin Sonsona turned out to be a joke. Z Gorress can't even spell his first name any more. Bernabe Concepcion is crap. Donnie Nietes is overrated. Aj Banal has no heart. And Ciso Morales sure did live up to his name Kid Terrible when he crashed and burned in 2 minutes. Damn. It really does suck when Rodel Mayol is the 2nd best fighter ya'll got. :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIt must really be hard on you that another ES-A joined the victim list. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Good job for Bernard, this is on the front page of ESPN and the most commented article now.;D
Bernard Hopkins: African-American fighters would give Manny Pacquiao tougher challenge - ESPN
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Blame it on promoters. Nate was a Don king fighter.... He didn't get any good fights after the title win, but based upon his performance in every fight since beating Baby bull, he's shot and it wouldn't have mattered. Plus he's not a slick "black" fighter.
Casa would have been good, but he never had big payday fights. If he was Arum promoted, he might have gotten that fight. After Diaz, Pac fought ODH and Hatton. 2 paydays that were more than Casa's whole career.
Zahir Raheem was promoted by Arum when he beat Erik Morales. Yet Pac told him no and elected for the Morales rematch despite it being clear to everybody Morales was doneQuote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Blame it on promoters. Nate was a Don king fighter.... He didn't get any good fights after the title win, but based upon his performance in every fight since beating Baby bull, he's shot and it wouldn't have mattered. Plus he's not a slick "black" fighter.
Casa would have been good, but he never had big payday fights. If he was Arum promoted, he might have gotten that fight. After Diaz, Pac fought ODH and Hatton. 2 paydays that were more than Casa's whole career.
Simmer down and get Pac's balls out of your dirty mouth. JMM isn't slick compared to Floyd...but than again, no one is. Marquez, out of all the fighters Pac has faced, made him miss the most and countered him the best. Now, try to wrap this around your pea sized brain. Floyd is a better athlete than anyone Pac has faced. He is more intelligent and more skilled. Pac could have fought him earlier but he was scared of a needle. When they do fight...and they will, because it will be one of the biggest pay days of all time...there will be no stationary target to make your glorified hero look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainJMM wasn't slick or elusive, he counter punched his way throughout 12 rounds. What the fuck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinYeah genius...how can you be slick and elusive and survive Pac...wait a minute...Marquez did it twice. Stop being a nuthugger. It's easy to give "hell" to fighters that are slow and walk into your punches. Don't jump off a bridge when Floyd does what Marquez did except 100 times more effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Floyd wont even get in the ring with pac cause he knows he aint going to be 100 times more effective against pac.
Your the one nuthugging floyds pussy where there once balls.
julius,
enjoy pac while he's still fighting because once he announces his retirement, it'll be over for philippine boxing.
Pacquiao has fought the majority of his career where there are just not that many African American fighters. From Flyweight to Lightweight the divisions are dominated by Puerto Rican or Mexican fighters. Manny is from the Philippines and along with Japanese and Thai boxers they are in the majority. You don't see the African American fighters come into prominence until at least the 140lb division and upwards. What has Hopkins been drinking?
I don't see the point of what he is saying at all.
Cotto destroyed Chop Corley, Judah and beat Mosely(Inner City Blacks).
Cotto losed to Pac, can that be counted?
I'll give credit to that one... Pac v Casamayor should have come way before Diaz..Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Still a bitter racist pig VD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMust be hard on you that a juiced up Flipa is all you got. Oh the list of fails is long. Nonito Donaire is a sham. Rey Bautista transformed into Rey Bumtista. Marvin Sonsona turned out to be a joke. Z Gorress can't even spell his first name any more. Bernabe Concepcion is crap. Donnie Nietes is overrated. Aj Banal has no heart. And Ciso Morales sure did live up to his name Kid Terrible when he crashed and burned in 2 minutes. Damn. It really does suck when Rodel Mayol is the 2nd best fighter ya'll got. :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIt must really be hard on you that another ES-A joined the victim list. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Philippine boxing will stay, it has been there for decades if you know world boxing history. Where is all this anger coming from? Did a Filipino take your job or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Some people use that type of calculation to sum up the entirety of boxing... Person A beat person B, Person B lost to person a but beat person C, Person C lost to person A but bead person D, Person D beat Person A, Pearson E beat all except Person C, Person F beat Person AQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
And finally, Person G beat Person F....
So that makes Person F the greatest of all time..
So it will count for those people..
Till the day i die.Quote:
Originally Posted by titleist905tStill a bitter racist pig VD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMust be hard on you that a juiced up Flipa is all you got. Oh the list of fails is long. Nonito Donaire is a sham. Rey Bautista transformed into Rey Bumtista. Marvin Sonsona turned out to be a joke. Z Gorress can't even spell his first name any more. Bernabe Concepcion is crap. Donnie Nietes is overrated. Aj Banal has no heart. And Ciso Morales sure did live up to his name Kid Terrible when he crashed and burned in 2 minutes. Damn. It really does suck when Rodel Mayol is the 2nd best fighter ya'll got. :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIt must really be hard on you that another ES-A joined the victim list. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I mean no. Course not
This was racist, but I don't expect anything less from Bernard Hopkins. "I'll never lose to a white boy"? Why not just say I will never lose to Joe Calzaghe? Hopkins is a bit simple in the head sometimes and this is another example of him running his mouth in that kind of way. He should know better by now.
Black, but not black-black, American Black, but from the Streets black, American Streets not African Streets, definately not Wesley Snipes black, Floyd Mayweather black. In Fact the Street Floyd Mayweather lives on black.
Ah I see what he means now. He thinks Floyd could beat Manny.
Why didnt he just say that? ;D
I think the word "top" excludes Clottey even if he is as black as they come. He's Ghanaian btw for the person who said he was Nigerian.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Wtf is an Inner City Black, you know where Shane Mosley is from? I'll give you a hint, it ain't the ghetto. Retard ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Considering that you get so worked up about people throwing ideas of racism about on other threads Miles, it's quite interesting that you think this is racist. It's stupid & shows Hopkins up for the knob he is, but there's nothing racist about it. I think Memphis' post pretty much sums it up. Unless Hopkins is angling for a fight with Pac at a catchweight. Which I wouldn't put past him :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Anyone following Hopkins over the years would already realise he's an ignorant, paranoid funker.
He has said similar things about superior "black" (meaning slick) fighters before. He seems to think black American's have a built-in style which is clearly not the case.
He once said Lou DiBella was racist for reffering to Jermain Taylor as a "stallion" and a "kid" ... you have to laugh ;D
Didn't Bernard Hopkins avoid fighting Chad Dawson recently?
Wrong kind of Black for Bernards liking
Yeah but if anything Chad Dawson is too black for Bernard. Bernard wants to be the real black guy in the fight. Chad Dawson is Eddie Murphy black. Hopkins wants Nelson Mandela black.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I guess...but Jean Pascal, that sounds a little French. When is Bernard going to fight an Eskimo?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if anything Chad Dawson is too black for Bernard. Bernard wants to be the real black guy in the fight. Chad Dawson is Eddie Murphy black. Hopkins wants Nelson Mandela black.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
PAC didnt fight Malignaggi at 140 either so he clearly wants no part of orange people either.
Now you know Bernard gets upset in the cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI guess...but Jean Pascal, that sounds a little French. When is Bernard going to fight an Eskimo?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if anything Chad Dawson is too black for Bernard. Bernard wants to be the real black guy in the fight. Chad Dawson is Eddie Murphy black. Hopkins wants Nelson Mandela black.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Because Hopkins was trying to make money, not friends.... Can you Imagine how big a fight between one of the Klitchkos vs Mike Tyson would have been if Mike were still a game fighter? I know boxing fans will see two good fighters, but America will see a big Clark Kent White Boy vs a thuggish, bully, "black guy". (saying black for respect for the forum). But if it were an american white vs a European it would have been chants for "USA" all night. I mean several times Lampley on the air has called American Born citizens with Mexican heritage.. Mexican.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
A lot of people, like Hopkins still believes in the Holmes-Cooney theory of a serious contender non-black vs a black will generate more money. That's why floyd was saying if he were white he'd make more money. Which is true. Because there are more whites in America, America was built on racism, and is held up by that same diseased backbone. So unless one grew up outside of the states I don't see why anyone thinks what Hopkins is doing is any different than HBO and promoters constantly putting the Mexican Fighters against Puerto Rican fighters. Or True Mexican fighters (the ones that only speak spanish) vs the American born English Speaking Mexican fighters. You see why so many people jumped on PACMAN as the MEXICAN ASSASSIN. The same way Roger Mayweather made his name because he was beating the Mexican fighters back then.
Anyone trying to deny that race plays into marketing certain fights, I admire and envy your naivety, but I grew up in the states and racism is clear and routine as breathing.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherBecause Hopkins was trying to make money, not friends.... Can you Imagine how big a fight between one of the Klitchkos vs Mike Tyson would have been if Mike were still a game fighter? I know boxing fans will see two good fighters, but America will see a big Clark Kent White Boy vs a thuggish, bully, "black guy". (saying black for respect for the forum). But if it were an american white vs a European it would have been chants for "USA" all night. I mean several times Lampley on the air has called American Born citizens with Mexican heritage.. Mexican.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
A lot of people, like Hopkins still believes in the Holmes-Cooney theory of a serious contender non-black vs a black will generate more money. That's why floyd was saying if he were white he'd make more money. Which is true. Because there are more whites in America, America was built on racism, and is held up by that same diseased backbone. So unless one grew up outside of the states I don't see why anyone thinks what Hopkins is doing is any different than HBO and promoters constantly putting the Mexican Fighters against Puerto Rican fighters. Or True Mexican fighters (the ones that only speak spanish) vs the American born English Speaking Mexican fighters. You see why so many people jumped on PACMAN as the MEXICAN ASSASSIN. The same way Roger Mayweather made his name because he was beating the Mexican fighters back then.
Anyone trying to deny that race plays into marketing certain fights, I admire and envy your naivety, but I grew up in the states and racism is clear and routine as breathing.
I think you are mistaking prejudice with racism.
Everyone is prejudice, meaning they like one thing or their own race better than another.
Racism is hatred and really not as common.
But surely the cross town rivalry isn't prominent in boxing, so it's cross race or nationality for promoting fights.
They're pretty much have the same meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherBecause Hopkins was trying to make money, not friends.... Can you Imagine how big a fight between one of the Klitchkos vs Mike Tyson would have been if Mike were still a game fighter? I know boxing fans will see two good fighters, but America will see a big Clark Kent White Boy vs a thuggish, bully, "black guy". (saying black for respect for the forum). But if it were an american white vs a European it would have been chants for "USA" all night. I mean several times Lampley on the air has called American Born citizens with Mexican heritage.. Mexican.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
A lot of people, like Hopkins still believes in the Holmes-Cooney theory of a serious contender non-black vs a black will generate more money. That's why floyd was saying if he were white he'd make more money. Which is true. Because there are more whites in America, America was built on racism, and is held up by that same diseased backbone. So unless one grew up outside of the states I don't see why anyone thinks what Hopkins is doing is any different than HBO and promoters constantly putting the Mexican Fighters against Puerto Rican fighters. Or True Mexican fighters (the ones that only speak spanish) vs the American born English Speaking Mexican fighters. You see why so many people jumped on PACMAN as the MEXICAN ASSASSIN. The same way Roger Mayweather made his name because he was beating the Mexican fighters back then.
Anyone trying to deny that race plays into marketing certain fights, I admire and envy your naivety, but I grew up in the states and racism is clear and routine as breathing.
I think you are mistaking prejudice with racism.
Everyone is prejudice, meaning they like one thing or their own race better than another.
Racism is hatred and really not as common.
But surely the cross town rivalry isn't prominent in boxing, so it's cross race or nationality for promoting fights.
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Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherBecause Hopkins was trying to make money, not friends.... Can you Imagine how big a fight between one of the Klitchkos vs Mike Tyson would have been if Mike were still a game fighter? I know boxing fans will see two good fighters, but America will see a big Clark Kent White Boy vs a thuggish, bully, "black guy". (saying black for respect for the forum). But if it were an american white vs a European it would have been chants for "USA" all night. I mean several times Lampley on the air has called American Born citizens with Mexican heritage.. Mexican.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
A lot of people, like Hopkins still believes in the Holmes-Cooney theory of a serious contender non-black vs a black will generate more money. That's why floyd was saying if he were white he'd make more money. Which is true. Because there are more whites in America, America was built on racism, and is held up by that same diseased backbone. So unless one grew up outside of the states I don't see why anyone thinks what Hopkins is doing is any different than HBO and promoters constantly putting the Mexican Fighters against Puerto Rican fighters. Or True Mexican fighters (the ones that only speak spanish) vs the American born English Speaking Mexican fighters. You see why so many people jumped on PACMAN as the MEXICAN ASSASSIN. The same way Roger Mayweather made his name because he was beating the Mexican fighters back then.
Anyone trying to deny that race plays into marketing certain fights, I admire and envy your naivety, but I grew up in the states and racism is clear and routine as breathing.
I think you are mistaking prejudice with racism.
Everyone is prejudice, meaning they like one thing or their own race better than another.
Racism is hatred and really not as common.
But surely the cross town rivalry isn't prominent in boxing, so it's cross race or nationality for promoting fights.
When you're prejudice against another race what's that called?
Prejudice is preference.
Racism is hatred.
HUGE difference. Everyone is prejudice, in race, in food, in culture.
Doesn't mean everyone is racist, and hates all other things outside of their preference.
A prejudice is a prejudgment: i.e. an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy. The word prejudice is most commonly used to refer to a preconceived judgment toward a people or a person because of race, social class, gender, ethnicity, age, disability, political beliefs, religion, sexual orientation or other personal characteristics. It also means beliefs without knowledge of the facts[1] and may include "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence.
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.
There is some evidence that the meaning of the term has changed over time, and that earlier definitions of racism involved the simple belief that human populations are divided into separate races.[2] Many biologists, anthropologists, and sociologists reject this taxonomy in favor of more specific and/or empirically verifiable criteria, such as geography, ethnicity, or a history of endogamy.[3]
I hate okra.
What does that make me?... a racist or prejudice?
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
LOL... I love this. The way you posted the breakdowns. I was speaking in general context that most of the people who they are trying to sell fights to can't and don't make that distinction. I mean favoring one because of prejudice one thing, but when on the night of those fight racial fights...every slur in the world is used. Then clearly it has grown into something else.
Take Holmes-Cooney for example. The great white hope some called it. Snipers on the buildings during the fight because white supremacist were talking of shooting Holmes. In the general public those words are interchangeable.
luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.
I think you can trace it on Pacquiao's previous fights. In 1998 Pacquiao was not that significant that he was not given a shot at Mark Johnson that he fought Sasakul instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
The only African American that Pacquiao should have fought was Nate Campbell instead of David Diaz at lightweight. The rest self explanatory.
1998 Flyweight
- VS Sasakul (WBC)
1: Mark Johnson (USA), 36-1, IBF champ
2: Mauricio Pastrana (Colombia), 20-0
3: Chatchai Sasakul (Thailand), 33-1, WBC champ
4: Hugo Soto (Argentina), 50-5-2, WBA champ
5: Melchjor Cob Castro (Mexico), 52-6-4
6: Jose Bonilla (Venezuela), 24-5
7: Ruben Sanchez-Leon (Mexico), 22-7-1, WBO champ
8: Eric Morel (Puerto Rico), 18-0
9: Carlos Salazar (Argentina), 47-8-3
10: Alejandro Montiel (Mexico), 38-3
1999 Flyweight
- VS Gabriel Mira (WBC defense)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Phillipines), 26-1, WBC champ
2: C. Dutchboy Gym (Thailand), 34-2
3: Leo Gamez (Venezuela), 32-6-1,WBA champ
4: Irene Pacheco (Venezuela), 24-0, IBF champ
5: Hugo Soto (Argentina), 51-6-2
6: Jose Bonilla (Venezuela), 25-5
7: Jose Lopez Bueno (Spain), 13-3-2, WBO champ
8: Chatchai Chokwiwat (Thailand), 39-5
9: Alejandro Montiel (Mexico), 40-3
10:Peter Culshaw (Britain), 16-1-1, WBU champ
1999 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight
1: Erik Morales (Mexico), 34-0,WBC champ
2: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 49-2, WBO champ
3: Nestor Garza (Mexico), 36-1, WBA champ
4: Carlos Navarro (USA), 19-0
5: Willie Jorrin (USA), 25-0
6: Wayne McCullough (Britain), 23-2
7: Enrique Sanchez (Mexico), 24-1-1
8: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (S. Africa), 29-1-1, IBF champ
9: Michael Brodie (Britain), 27-0
10: Nana Yaw Konadu (Ghana), 40-4-1
2000 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight
1: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 51-3, WBO
2: Bones Adams (USA), 40-3-3, WBA
3: Willie Jorrin (USA), 27-0, WBC
4: Michael Brodie (Britain), 29-1
5: Danny Romero (USA), 40-3-1
6: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 38-2-1
7: Wayne McCullough (Britain), 23-3
8: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (S. Africa), 31-1-1, IBF
9: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 30-2
10: Carlos Contreras (Mexico), 16-4-1, WBU
2001 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight
- VS Ledwaba (IBF)
1: Bones Adams, 41-3-3, WBA
2: Willie Jorrin, 28-0, WBC
3: Michael Brodie (Britain), 30-1
4: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (S. Africa), 32-1-1, IBF
5: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 40-3-1
6: Danny Romero (USA), 41-3-1
7: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 31-2
8: Carlos Contreras (Mexico), 17-4-2, WBU
9: Israel Vazquez (Mexico), 29-2
10: Enrique Sanchez (Mexico), 28-1-2
2002 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight
1: Paulie Ayala (USA), 34-1
2: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 34-2-1, IBF
3: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 45-3-1
4: Willie Jorrin (USA), 28-0-1, WBC
5: Bones Adams (USA), 41-5-3
6: Salim Medjkoune (France), 40-3-1, WBA
7: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 18-0, WBO
8: Bobby Velardez (USA), 23-4-1
9: Israel Vazquez (Mexico), 33-3
10: Osamu Sato (Japan), 26-2-2
2003 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight
1: Paulie Ayala (USA), 34-2
2: Manny Pacquiao* (Philippines), 36-2-2, IBF
3: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 48-3-1, WBC
4: Salim Medjkoune* (France), 41-3-1, WBA
5: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 18-0, WBO
6: Wayne McCullough (GB), 26-4
7: Willie Jorrin, 28-1-1
8: Israel Vazquez (Mexico), 33-3
9: Osamu Sato (Japan), 26-2-2
10: Kozo Ishii (Japan), 30-3
2003 Featherweight
-VS Marco Antonio Barrera (The Ring)
1: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 57-3-0-1
2: Erik Morales (Mexico), 44-1, WBC
3: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 40-2, IBF
4: Derrick Gainer (USA), 39-5-1, WBA
5: Scott Harrison (GB), 19-1-1, WBO
6: Naseem Hamed (GB), 36-1, IBO
7: Juan Pablo Chacon (Argentina), 46-3
8: Zahir Raheem (USA), 22-0
9: Manuel Medina (Mexico), 61-13
10: Michael Brodie (GB), 34-1
2004 Featherweight
- VS Juan Manuel Marquez (IBF,WBA)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 38-2-1
2: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 42-2, IBF/WBA
3: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 57-4-0-1
4: Scott Harrison (GB), 21-2-1, WBO
5: Manuel Medina (Mexico), 62-14
6: Rocky Juarez (USA), 19-0
7: Derrick Gainer (USA), 39-6-1
8: Injin Chi (Korea), 28-2-1, WBC
9: William Abelyan (Armenia), 23-4-1
10: Juan Carlos Ramirez (Mexico), 33-5
2005 Super Featherweight
- VS Erik Morales (IBA, WBC)
1: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 59-4-0-1, WBC
2: Erik Morales (Mexico), 47-2
3: Jesus Chavez (Mexico), 40-3
4: Carlos Hernandez (USA), 41-4-1
5: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 43-2-1, WBA
6: Robbie Peden (Australia), 24-2
7: Jorge Barrios (Argentina), 42-2-1-1
8: Mike Anchondo (USA), 25-0, WBO
9: Daniel Seda (Puerto Rico), 20-1-1
10: Mzonke Fana (S. Africa), 22-2-1
2006 Super Featherweight
- VS Erik Morales (WBC)
1: M. Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 61-4-0-1, WBC/IBF
2: Erik Morales (Mexico), 48-3
3: Jorge Barrios (Argentina), 44-2-1-1, WBO
4: Zahir Raheem, 27-1
5: Vicente Mosquera (Panama), 21-1-1, WBA
6: Robbie Peden (Australia), 25-3
7: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 44-3-1
8: Carlos Hernandez (USA), 41-6-1
9: Janos Nagy (Hungary), 23-0
10: Manuel Medina (Mexico), 65-14
2007 Super Featherweight
- VS Marco Antonio Barrera (WBC)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 43-1-2
2: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 47-3-1, WBC
3: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 63-5-0-1, WBC
4: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 27-0, WBO
5: Jorge Barrios (Argentina), 46-3-1-1
6: Rocky Juarez (USA), 26-3
7: Humberto Soto (Mexico), 40-5-2
8: Edwin Valero (Venezuela), 21-0, WBA
9: Erik Morales (Mexico), 48-5
10: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 50-3-1
2008 Super Featherweight
- VS Juan Manuel Marquez (WBC, The Ring)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 45-3-2
2: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 48-3-1, WBC
3: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 28-0, WBO
4: Humberto Soto (Mexico), 43-6-2
5: Jorge Barrios, Argentina, 47-3-1-1
6: Edwin Valero* (Venezuela), 23-0, WBA
7: Alex Arthur (GB), 26-1
8: Mzonke Fana (South Africa), 27-3, IBF
9: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 51-3-1
10: Cassius Baloyi (South Africa), 34-3-1
2008 Lightweight
- VS David Diaz (WBC)
1: Nate Campbell (USA), 32-5-1, WBA/WBO/IBF
2: Juan Diaz (USA), 33-1
3: Joel Casamayor (Cuba), 36-3-1
4: David Diaz (USA), 34-1-1, WBC
5: Julio Diaz (Mexico), 34-4
6: Zahir Raheem (USA), 29-2-0-2
7: Almazbek Raiymkulov (Krgyz.), 25-1-1
8: Jose Armando Santa Cruz (Mexico), 25-3
9: Michael Katsidis (Australia), 23-1
10: Yuri Romanov (Ukraine), 21-2
2008 Welterweight
- VS Oscar dela Hoya (before handwrap controversy)
1: Antonio Margarito (Mexico), 37-5-0-1, WBA
2: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 32-1
3: Shane Mosley (USA), 44-5-0-1
4: Paul Williams (USA), 34-1, WBO
5: Joshua Clottey (Ghana), 35-2-0-1, IBF
6: Andre Berto (USA), 22-0, WBC
7: Luis Collazo (USA), 28-3
8: Carlos Quintana (Puerto Rico), 25-2
9: Zab Judah (USA), 36-6-0-2
10: Rafal Jackiewicz (Poland), 32-8-1
2008 Light Welterweight
- VS Ricky Hatton (IBO, The Ring)
1: Ricky Hatton (GB), 45-1
2: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 48-3-2
3: Timothy Bradley, 23-0, WBC
4: Nate Campbell (USA), 33-5-1
5: Kendall Holt (USA), 25-2, WBO
6: Junior Witter (GB), 37-2-2
7: Andreas Kotelnik (Ukraine), 31-2-1, WBA
8: Marcos Maidana (Argentina), 25-1
9: Juan Urango (Colombia), 21-1-1, IBF
10: Paulie Malignaggi (USA), 25-2
2009 Welterweight
- VS Miguel Cotto (WBC, WBO)
1: Floyd Mayweather Jr (USA), 40-0
2: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 34-1, WBO
3: Shane Mosley (USA), 46-5-0-1, WBA
4: JoshuaClottey (Ghana), 35-3-0-1
5: Andre Berto (USA), 25-0, WBC
6: Luis Collazo (USA), 30-4
7: Carlos Quintana (Puerto Rico), 26-2
8: Zab Judah (USA), 37-6-0-2
9: Isaac Hlatshwayo (South Africa), 29-1-1, IBF
10: Selcuk Aydin (Turkey), 19-0
2010 Welterweight
- VS Joshua Clottey
1: Floyd Mayweather Jr (USA), 40-0
2: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 50-3-2, WBO
3: Shane Mosley, 46-5-0-1, WBA
4: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 34-2
5: Joshua Clottey (Ghana), 35-3-0-1
6: Andre Berto, 25-0, WBC
7: Luis Collazo , 30-4
8: Zab Judah , 38-6-0-2
9: Selcuk Aydin (Turkey), 19-0
10: Dejan Zavec (Slovenia), 28-1, IBF
2010 Light Middleweight/Super Welterweight
VS - Margarito
1: Sergio Martinez (Argentina), 44-2-2, WBC
2: Kermit Cintron (Puerto Rico), 32-2-0
3: Alfredo Angulo (Mexico), 19-1-0
4: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 35-2, WBA
5: Ryan Rhodes (GB), 43-4-0
6: Sechew Powell (USA), 26-2-0
7: Yuri Foreman (USA), 28-1-0
8: Vanes Martirosyan (USA), 28-0-0
9: Sergei Dzinziruk (Ukraine), 37-0-0, WBO
10: Cornelius Bundrage (USA), 30-4-0, IBF
Which only makes the point I was making valid. Most people don't distinguish the two and use them interchangeably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Right.. but they are using the term incorrectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWhich only makes the point I was making valid. Most people don't distinguish the two and use them interchangeably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If I say I hate all white fighters and would never cheer for them. That means i'm a racist.
If I say I hate all British fighters and would never cheer for them. That means i'm prejudice towards Brits, because obviously Britsh fighters encompass all different ethnicities.