Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

This fight should make a crap load of money and put fanny's ins seats due to the zealous Mexican following that will be turning out and tuning in... Nothing more nothing less..

100% business decesion.

All those groaning about this fight, tell me the last time JMM took a gimme fight???? (The sound of crickets will be pretty long on that question)

JMM deserves this fight and this pay day

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You have an irish flag but your are obviously not from Ireland or Britain because fanny means something different over here;D

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Haha I'm of Irish descent and was born in the US, so yes I probably gave you guys a laugh;D

Fanny means A$$ over here

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Originally Posted by miles

Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.

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Just to confirm this is at 135...

Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News

They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.

Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

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The fight will take place at 140. And it will most likely be for the WBC Junior Welterweight title. Making the winner the first Mexican 4 division champion. Without the title this fight is looked as a mismatch. It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers. But it be mostly frowned on. With the title on the line this fight is history in the making and becomes huge. It'll still be frowned on. But nobody will care.

Devon Alexander is the current title holder. But that won't be for long. The stripping of his title is happening right before our eyes. Tim Bradley has done his part to insure that. He's refused to pay the WBC any sanctioning fees. So if he wins he doesn't become the WBC champion. And Alexander can't keep the title cuz he lost. So it becomes vacant. The WBC pretty much wants it's champion Alerxander to lose. It makes everything easier. Bradley doesn't want the belt. Alexander can't keep it. The WBC is free to hand it to the Morales-Marquez winner with little to no backlash. That's plan A. There's also a plan B. In case Devon wins. If Alexander comes out on top of this unification fight, the WBC will demand Alexander defend against the number one contender. Which is Ajose Olusegun. Alexander will have 90 days to do so. Chances are just about none Alexander will jump back into to the ring so quickly after the Bradley fight. Especially not for a Ajose Olusegun. That will lead to either Alexander giving up the belt himself or the WBC stripping him after 90 days for not fighting Olusegun. Either way the WBC Junior Welterweight title will be on the line for Marquez-Morales.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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Morales have his loyal followers Marquez doesnt. But it should be enough to make money.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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Morales have his loyal followers Marquez doesnt. But it should be enough to make money.

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Despite what you think, i think Marquez does have loyal followers.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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Morales have his loyal followers Marquez doesnt. But it should be enough to make money.

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:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

The words Marquez and chicken shit have never occupied the same room. 135-140 it dont matter...Morales legs wont keep up with his heart, he'll be stationary.

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It matters to Morales. He hasn't fought below 140 in his last 3 fights. He does not need an additional disadvantage to what he already has.

I think this fight may be at JMM's terms since Morales should be the one desperate for this fight. Even at 140, I think Marquez wins this one so why not go for the higher weight to test himself and bring himself closer to a fight with Manny. If this fight is at 135, then it appears that he has relinguish his desire for that third fight.

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Jmms a nice guy but it's not about doing favors for your opponent. 5 lbs either way on a past it fighter is lipstick on a pig. Marquez was out of his weight class and at least out weighed by 8-10 lbs unofficially vs Mayweather. How much more testing does he need.

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He was outclassed by the BEST fighter in the world. That does not mean he can't be effective above at 147 or moreso at 140. Right?

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Was the point yeh. He's been up...certainly doesn't need a testing ground or to send Manny an olive branch to show he's wanting a fight. He gets one he can dictate terms in vs Morales, he calls the shots. Manny knows where to find him and I think Marquez would jump at the chance. Hey that was good. 147 and above with his style, age though is a no go vs another I believe.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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Morales have his loyal followers Marquez doesnt. But it should be enough to make money.

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:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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As expected.



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I have news for you.

Juan Manuel Marquez fought a popular fighter named Michael Katsidis.

Fight fans in attendance : 4, 970


I would like to request that you at least think for a few minutes before posting about your favorite fighters. Because it appears that you're either lying or you have no idea at all.


Just to rationalize things : JMM is not behind Barrera or Morales in terms of Boxing skills...But he's way behind in terms of fan following.

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Originally Posted by MMASUX

Despite what you think, i think Marquez does have loyal followers.

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Of course Techinically he has. But can you compare it to Morales and Barrera's ??


Less than 5K fans attended his last fight. Have you ever thought of Morales or Barrera drawing less than 5K people? considering he fought Michael Katsidis.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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Morales have his loyal followers Marquez doesnt. But it should be enough to make money.

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:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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As expected.



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I have news for you.

Juan Manuel Marquez fought a popular fighter named Michael Katsidis.

Fight fans in attendance : 4, 970


I would like to request that you at least think for a few minutes before posting about your favorite fighters. Because it appears that you're either lying or you have no idea at all.


Just to rationalize things : JMM is not behind Barrera or Morales in terms of Boxing skills...But he's way behind in terms of fan following.

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That's what your basing it on? Damn your an idiot. Katsidis was a fucking tune-up. Only a fool (you most likely) would expect 60k for a tune-up. Except for 15 seconds in one of the early rounds the fight was dominated by Marquez. And Katsidis might be a God in your little country. But he ain't popular in the US. I don't know where the fuck you got that from. Katsidis rep in the US is set in stone already. He's a B fighter who's brought in to provide a little excitement WHILE losing to better fighters.

And Marquez trails Morales and Barrera in fan following. Yeah ok. 1 + 1 = 2. What's your fucking point for stating the obvious? Nobody ever said Marquez didn't trail them. Hell I think he trails his brother in that department as well. Oh wait. His brother didn't draw 50k for his fight with Lopez. So there is no way he or Lopez for that matter have followings. :lolhaha:

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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Morales have his loyal followers Marquez doesnt. But it should be enough to make money.

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:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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As expected.



;)

I have news for you.

Juan Manuel Marquez fought a popular fighter named Michael Katsidis.

Fight fans in attendance : 4, 970


I would like to request that you at least think for a few minutes before posting about your favorite fighters. Because it appears that you're either lying or you have no idea at all.


Just to rationalize things : JMM is not behind Barrera or Morales in terms of Boxing skills...But he's way behind in terms of fan following.

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That's what your basing it on? Damn your an idiot. Katsidis was a fucking tune-up. Only a fool (you most likely) would expect 60k for a tune-up. Except for 15 seconds in one of the early rounds the fight was dominated by Marquez. And Katsidis might be a God in your little country. But he ain't popular in the US. I don't know where the fuck you got that from. Katsidis rep in the US is set in stone already. He's a B fighter who's brought in to provide a little excitement WHILE losing to better fighters.

And Marquez trails Morales and Barrera in fan following. Yeah ok. 1 + 1 = 2. What's your fucking point for stating the obvious? Nobody ever said Marquez didn't trail them. Hell I think he trails his brother in that department as well. Oh wait. His brother didn't draw 50k for his fight with Lopez. So there is no way he or Lopez for that matter have followings. :lolhaha:

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You said Morales and Marquez had loyal followers.

I said only Morales and i have given you numbers on why this is so.

and now you have this garbage saying Marquez dominated Katsidis which is totally out of the subject we're talking about.

Bottomline : Marquez doesnt have loyal followers.

if you are talking techinical then every fighter have loyal followers. Guys like Corley and Augustus have loyal followers for sure but they probably fill 1K seats Marquez a little less than 5K. I think that settled it?

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I doubt Morales will make 135.

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Just to clarify this, the fight will be at 135 but they're talking April 9th now instead of 16th.

Erik Morales Wants Marquez Fight at The Lightweight Limit - Boxing News

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Was the point yeh. He's been up...certainly doesn't need a testing ground or to send Manny an olive branch to show he's wanting a fight. He gets one he can dictate terms in vs Morales, he calls the shots. Manny knows where to find him and I think Marquez would jump at the chance. Hey that was good. 147 and above with his style, age though is a no go vs another I believe.

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I hear you. Then, stick it out at 135, but three gimme's in a row is tiresome.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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Morales have his loyal followers Marquez doesnt. But it should be enough to make money.

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:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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As expected.



;)

I have news for you.

Juan Manuel Marquez fought a popular fighter named Michael Katsidis.

Fight fans in attendance : 4, 970


I would like to request that you at least think for a few minutes before posting about your favorite fighters. Because it appears that you're either lying or you have no idea at all.


Just to rationalize things : JMM is not behind Barrera or Morales in terms of Boxing skills...But he's way behind in terms of fan following.

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That's what your basing it on? Damn your an idiot. Katsidis was a fucking tune-up. Only a fool (you most likely) would expect 60k for a tune-up. Except for 15 seconds in one of the early rounds the fight was dominated by Marquez. And Katsidis might be a God in your little country. But he ain't popular in the US. I don't know where the fuck you got that from. Katsidis rep in the US is set in stone already. He's a B fighter who's brought in to provide a little excitement WHILE losing to better fighters.

And Marquez trails Morales and Barrera in fan following. Yeah ok. 1 + 1 = 2. What's your fucking point for stating the obvious? Nobody ever said Marquez didn't trail them. Hell I think he trails his brother in that department as well. Oh wait. His brother didn't draw 50k for his fight with Lopez. So there is no way he or Lopez for that matter have followings. :lolhaha:

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You said Morales and Marquez had loyal followers.

I said only Morales and i have given you numbers on why this is so.

and now you have this garbage saying Marquez dominated Katsidis which is totally out of the subject we're talking about.

Bottomline : Marquez doesnt have loyal followers.

if you are talking techinical then every fighter have loyal followers. Guys like Corley and Augustus have loyal followers for sure but they probably fill 1K seats Marquez a little less than 5K. I think that settled it?

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That's cuz you see it from a misguided way. In your little country everybody from your grandma to 4 year old sister all suck Manny Pacquiao's dick. There's nothing else there. So you think if a fighter doesn't have that type of following than they don't have a following. It don't work that way. Marquez following trails Morales and Barrera. And his brothers. But it's there

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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In your little country everybody from your grandma to 4 year old sister all suck Manny Pacquiao's dick. There's nothing else there.

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Why do you have to be racist? This discussion does not have anything to do with a country and its people.

Juan Manuel Marquez has his loyal followers but they pale in comparison to those of Barrera and Morales in their prime.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by MMASUX

Despite what you think, i think Marquez does have loyal followers.

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Of course Techinically he has. But can you compare it to Morales and Barrera's ??


Less than 5K fans attended his last fight. Have you ever thought of Morales or Barrera drawing less than 5K people? considering he fought Michael Katsidis.

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Granted the fight did have a small crowd, i think it had more to do with it being 2 days after thanksgiving. This is a very big holiday here in the US, and most people are traveling and spending time with family from that Thursday-sunday. You put that fight on any other date and i think it does extremely well.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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In your little country everybody from your grandma to 4 year old sister all suck Manny Pacquiao's dick. There's nothing else there.

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Why do you have to be racist? This discussion does not have anything to do with a country and its people.

Juan Manuel Marquez has his loyal followers but they pale in comparison to those of Barrera and Morales in their prime.

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Stop being a sensitive little bitch. There was nothing racist about my posts.

And I have yet to see anybody say Marquez following doesn't trail Morales or Barrera's. So again I see no reason why that's even brought up

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see how we are talking about MAB, Erik and JMM and you bring out Manny Pacquiao? :D


Pac is the Greatest! uLOL


hahahahaha

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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see how we are talking about MAB, Erik and JMM and you bring out Manny Pacquiao? :D


Pac is the Greatest! uLOL


hahahahaha

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Pacquiao is the only freaking fighter you know about, and sorry Robinson is the greatest in the history of the sport, hell Ali is still a league ahead of Pacquiao

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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see how we are talking about MAB, Erik and JMM and you bring out Manny Pacquiao? :D


Pac is the Greatest! uLOL


hahahahaha

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Like that wasn't what you were waiting for. It's the reason you avoided the point and just pounced on the name itself.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

;D


see how we are talking about MAB, Erik and JMM and you bring out Manny Pacquiao? :D


Pac is the Greatest! uLOL


hahahahaha

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Like that wasn't what you were waiting for. It's the reason you avoided the point and just pounced on the name itself.

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Avoided the point?


Marquez doesnt have a loyal following like Morales.

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It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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this is what you said. Its correct technically but Morales probably brings in 85% of the crowd. :D

If this fight took place several years ago...it would have been one of the fights I most wanted to see. A great match up between two skilled warriors. Now...it will be a shameless beat down for a pay day. Morales avoided Marquez like the plague years ago...sad to see that he wants a part of him now, when he (Erik) is clearly washed up.

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If this fight took place several years ago...it would have been one of the fights I most wanted to see. A great match up between two skilled warriors. Now...it will be a shameless beat down for a pay day. Morales avoided Marquez like the plague years ago...sad to see that he wants a part of him now, when he (Erik) is clearly washed up.

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That is such BS!

Marquez turned down a fight with Morales twice asking for more money. That fight was being offered when they were both with Top Rank.

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:vd: Yes I'm sure from the Philippines you can gauge every fighters following, right? Not bad off a 10 inch black and white TV.

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In your little country everybody from your grandma to 4 year old sister all suck Manny Pacquiao's dick. There's nothing else there.

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Why do you have to be racist? This discussion does not have anything to do with a country and its people.

Juan Manuel Marquez has his loyal followers but they pale in comparison to those of Barrera and Morales in their prime.

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Stop being a sensitive little bitch. There was nothing racist about my posts.

And I have yet to see anybody say Marquez following doesn't trail Morales or Barrera's. So again I see no reason why that's even brought up

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This statement coming from someone who said that a certain word is not a racial slur ... duh! Now, do you want to acknowledge that what you have been saying before is indeed a racial slur or do you want to repeat those words again? And I don't call you names, you dumbass.

You don't see a reason why Marquez and Morales are brought up in this thread but you see a reason to disparage a country.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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see how we are talking about MAB, Erik and JMM and you bring out Manny Pacquiao? :D


Pac is the Greatest! uLOL


hahahahaha

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Like that wasn't what you were waiting for. It's the reason you avoided the point and just pounced on the name itself.

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Avoided the point?


Marquez doesnt have a loyal following like Morales.

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It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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this is what you said. Its correct technically but Morales probably brings in 85% of the crowd. :D

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For like the 4th time, whoever said he did?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

For like the 4th time, whoever said he did?

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It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers.

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This somewhat insinuates that both fighters bring in equal amount of followers.

But yeah i have to agree TECHNICALLY Juan bring in some loyal fans. same way as other fighters like Floyd, Pac, Gatti, Augustus, Corley etc.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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see how we are talking about MAB, Erik and JMM and you bring out Manny Pacquiao? :D


Pac is the Greatest! uLOL


hahahahaha

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Pacquiao is the only freaking fighter you know about, and sorry Robinson is the greatest in the history of the sport, hell Ali is still a league ahead of Pacquiao

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Hehehe El_Terible ofcourse no q about that,read some previous post, i guess you didnt get the drift ;)

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Pacquiao is the only freaking fighter you know about, and sorry Robinson is the greatest in the history of the sport, hell Ali is still a league ahead of Pacquiao

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uLOL

I almost didnt noticed this.


Thank you for making that statement look like a viable one. :D

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Pacquiao is the only freaking fighter you know about, and sorry Robinson is the greatest in the history of the sport, hell Ali is still a league ahead of Pacquiao

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uLOL

I almost didnt noticed this.


Thank you for making that statement look like a viable one. :D

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it's not a statement, it's fact, you don't know shit about boxing, just your man crush, Manny Pacquiao

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

it's not a statement, it's fact, you don't know shit about boxing, just your man crush, Manny Pacquiao

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LMAO


Thank you. Hahahahaha


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I need to read the thread but my first thought is what a waste of time this is for Marquez.