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Because it was completely calling bullshit on the point!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Jesus Christ...
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You do know that the name isn't actually spelt using the English alphabet... it's Arabic and there is no official English translation... a lot of people say Osama and a lot of people INCLUDING THE FBI and CIA say Usama
Out of all the things mentioned in my post you pick up a descrepency on spelling :vd:
Because you were saying that the FBI website has spelt it differently as if it was somehow relevant to some conspiracy... when in actual fact it just highlighted your lack of knowledge regarding what you were trying to speak with authority about?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Jesus Christ...
:vd:
You do know that the name isn't actually spelt using the English alphabet... it's Arabic and there is no official English translation... a lot of people say Osama and a lot of people INCLUDING THE FBI and CIA say Usama
Out of all the things mentioned in my post you pick up a descrepency on spelling :vd:
Honestly, I could try and go into your other points... but I doubt we'd get very far. You should be thankful that I've just educated you and now you know that not everybody uses the English Alphabet and how this may affect translations etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pele5vptVgc
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Originally Posted by milesThose were terrible events for sure, but we should have taken him in and laid the evidence out for all to see. We have never really put together the direct links saying that he caused 9-11 for instance. We are just led to believe that this was the case. He was a terrible piece of work, but two wrongs don't make a right. As I say, if we needed to execute him them it should have been done after he had been proven guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamrock
Exactly, arrest him, take him to the Hague, and try him for crimes against humanity, if found guilty, then as they done to Saddam, hang him, or gas him in full public view, hell it would probably do more figures than Mayweather v Ortiz.
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Originally Posted by boozeboxerBecause it was completely calling bullshit on the point!Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Jesus Christ...
:vd:
You do know that the name isn't actually spelt using the English alphabet... it's Arabic and there is no official English translation... a lot of people say Osama and a lot of people INCLUDING THE FBI and CIA say Usama
Out of all the things mentioned in my post you pick up a descrepency on spelling :vd:
So that blows everything else out of the water does it?
That's weak, very weak.
When shit goes down in the world its the US that has to step up and make things right because apparently nobody else has the cojones.
Osama at the Hague? Yeah that would have gone over well....he'd sit back and spout his hate and invite attacks on the courtroom.
Also one doesn't need a gun to be considered "armed"....I mean these guys are known for blowing themselves up so the shoot first ask questions later tactic is perfectly fine by me.
Miles, you are such a fucking pansy when it comes to this kind of thing....its people like you that get dodge ball banned in school....God almighty you are a wuss.
I'm just stoked that #1 Obama had the guts to call for this (if botched that would have been extremely bad, like the U2 spy plane shot down over the USSR bad) and #2 hearing about all the super cool spy shit we have! Obama and his cabinet watched the raid in Washington just like the movie 'Patriot Games' when they raid the IRA compound! And the Stealth helicopter is pretty fucking awesome too.
We got in and out like a bunch of roided up ninjas! They never fucking knew what hit them.....BOOYA son!
Nobody said that it blew everything else out of the water did they (there's not much point in that... you get no where with tin foils)... I see you keep side stepping around what I said though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerBecause it was completely calling bullshit on the point!Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Jesus Christ...
:vd:
You do know that the name isn't actually spelt using the English alphabet... it's Arabic and there is no official English translation... a lot of people say Osama and a lot of people INCLUDING THE FBI and CIA say Usama
Out of all the things mentioned in my post you pick up a descrepency on spelling :vd:
So that blows everything else out of the water does it?
That's weak, very weak.
I'll just take your inability to address the point by repeatedly saying "why say that! why say that?! weak weak weak!" as an admission that it was in irrelevant and retarded point to bring up and that you are ignorant of international languages, even at the broadest, simplest level.
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Originally Posted by AdamGBNobody said that it blew everything else out of the water did they (there's not much point in that... you get no where with tin foils)... I see you keep side stepping around what I said though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerBecause it was completely calling bullshit on the point!Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Jesus Christ...
:vd:
You do know that the name isn't actually spelt using the English alphabet... it's Arabic and there is no official English translation... a lot of people say Osama and a lot of people INCLUDING THE FBI and CIA say Usama
Out of all the things mentioned in my post you pick up a descrepency on spelling :vd:
So that blows everything else out of the water does it?
That's weak, very weak.
I'll just take your inability to address the point by repeatedly saying "why say that! why say that?! weak weak weak!" as an admission that it was in irrelevant and retarded point to bring up and that you are ignorant of international languages, even at the broadest, simplest level.
Oh yes of course, anyone that questions anything put out by main stream media or government wears a tin foil hat. Again weak.
I thought that this thread might turn interesting, but it has just become annoying. What on earth are you people arguing about? No way is it going to reach page 17 when I announce that I am leaving.
The market appears to be over-saturated.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I didn't literally think that you wore a tinfoil hat... I was using it as more of a derogatory term for a pseudo-activist who will sit on his PC and hammer out this and that about conspiracies and the man, but do nothing outside of that.
You raise a redundant and and ill informed 'point' about his name and wonder why people may start to dismiss other things you say and not take them seriously?
I can't really be bothered to have political discussions with somebody who isn't even informed enough to know that Arabs don't use the same letters that we do.
Again... I will take your side stepping of the issue 'weak weak' posts as an admission of your point's ignorances and pointlessness.
(if you raise weak points then expect 'weak' responses?)
Is there not some place else you can go to to debate with intellectual equals Miles?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
No forum were you can go among your ilk and argue over who will be the next Orwell?
It's such a shame that you have to share your vast intellect with us unwashed masses of sheeple. ;) :(
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Of course you meant it metaphorically. It's the same as me calling all you who believe everything and question nothing blind sheep.
And yes 'I can't be bothered.....' Is rediculously weak.
Still admitting that you raise points whilst being ignorant to the facts behind them I see. Weak.
That's another thing Tin Foils do... anybody who doesn't agree with what they say is automatically branded as somebody who will believe anything they are told and not question it... not only is it a bit of an egotistical assumption to make, but it's also pretty ironic and very fucking funny. ;D
Weak.
No, I am staying here because I am both stubborn and there are good minds here. Adam you seem to have a humour bypass, you miss all my one liners. I made that post because I was building up to my quite brilliant leaving on 'page 17' part. You buggers can argue all you want, I really don't mind. I actually quite enjoy it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBIs there not some place else you can go to to debate with intellectual equals Miles?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
No forum were you can go among your ilk and argue over who will be the next Orwell?
It's such a shame that you have to share your vast intellect with us unwashed masses of sheeple. ;) :(
I have no intentions of being the next Orwell. Just as I am going to leave my secret album in the drawer, I am going to allow Bilbo to compile his favourite posts for my first book. I will be long dead, I won't care.
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Originally Posted by milesNo, I am staying here because I am both stubborn and there are good minds here. Adam you seem to have a humour bypass, you miss all my one liners. I made that post because I was building up to my quite brilliant leaving on 'page 17' part. You buggers can argue all you want, I really don't mind. I actually quite enjoy it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBIs there not some place else you can go to to debate with intellectual equals Miles?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
No forum were you can go among your ilk and argue over who will be the next Orwell?
It's such a shame that you have to share your vast intellect with us unwashed masses of sheeple. ;) :(
I have no intentions of being the next Orwell. Just as I am going to leave my secret album in the drawer, I am going to allow Bilbo to compile his favourite posts for my first book. I will be long dead, I won't care.
haha that is so true, even now with hornfinger he's arguing in all seriousness something that was obviously meant to be ironic about the name being incorrect ;D
I think sarcasm just doesn't translate to some people unless you have a clear smilie next to it indicating you are being jovial.
But it is amusing to me. I miss Legion, we used to laugh in private when I would say something clearly as a tongue in cheek joke and someone would go off on me (often Adam it has to be said) and I'd just go with it and let it run for my own amusement which seems to be what hornfinger is doing here.
In unrelated news, I just voted and then went for my fortnightly tanning session. I am in love with the girl who works there. She is amazing. But she doesn't like me. :-\
Have you also had a 'humour bypass' or do winking smilies no longer show up on your screen?
See this is the problem. To those endowed with the gift of subtle humour, having a smilie at the end is just ghastly, like putting canned laughter to tell the stupid when to laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
My motto is that if someone is so stupid that they may not see what I'm saying is a joke then really I don't mind offending them.
I always use them... too much of communication is non-verbal.
If you leave them out then most of what you write gets influenced by the type of mood whoever reads it is in.
Cheer up when you read my posts then.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Sure... and I'll just smile whilst beating my crotch with a meat tenderiser whilst I'm at it!
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I think you're confusing my rants with Lyle's.
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you automatically branded me a tin foil hat so if you can do that to me then you won't mind me doing it to you.
You haven't raised or addressed any points cuz you 'can't be bothered'.
I have this hope that we DID take him alive and that everyhting else is a story so we can interrogate the bejeesus out of him without anyone knowing he's alive and so he knows his situation is forever hopeless.
Then when we've drained all the all the intel we think we can out of him? We trap him in some old building and burn it down around him.
of course I don't mind... what you say has little to no stock so why would I? We've been over this too many times. You raised a redundant point about the Arabic Language and lacked the knowledge to understand that the Arabic language uses a different Alphabet than we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
you automatically branded me a tin foil hat so if you can do that to me then you won't mind me doing it to you.
You haven't raised or addressed any points cuz you 'can't be bothered'.
This displays to me that you have no problem jumping to conclusions and forming opinions without being in position of enough facts to do so.
Despite disagreeing (and often!) with Miles and Bilbo... they do at least bring facts, thought and research to the table before they open their mouths... Whereas you have displayed that you don't mind neglecting to do so and the fact that you keep dancing around the issue instead of putting your hands up and saying "I was wrong about that, I didn't check my facts and it was a foolish, pointless thing to raise" shows that you are too pigeon minded to bother debating with.
So no, I don't want to debate your fascinating theories with you, because it will go nowhere, as I've said I just wanted to call you on your weak shit and see whether you'd defend it or be big enough to say "i was wrong, that was a stupid point".
But knowing you can't do either, you're just trying to dance around it instead. Weak
it's not actually a particularly big deal, the problem is that you keep trying to draw me into a debate away from it... Just looking for a simple answer from you:
Why did you even bring it up? What was your point even meant to be about the so called different spelling and why were you talking about the FBI 'misspelling' something in Arabic in the first place when you obviously had no knowledge of the differences between Arabic and English?
Bilbo, I am VERY aware of this, is was practically my entire point. Are you actually suggesting that if Osama Bin Laden had died during the Bush administration, there would have been a conspriracy to delay releasing this news, until after the Republicans LOST the presedential election? Like there was a vast conspiracy to first have Obama elected, and then let him take credit for it? There is no possible political motif for the timing of this if what you are saying is in fact true, unless you can of course explain to be why the Carlyle group would have been involved in a wider conspiracy to have the Democrats win the senate. But that would take some real doing wouldn't it, conspiracy theories are supposed to be nice and easy so those sitting at home all day can sound like they know everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe Bush family and Bin Ladens are friends, or at least business partners. The day after 911 when a no fly zone was enacted over the whole of the US the US government flew the Bin Laden family out of America in secrecy. Again, factual.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
What I find absurd about that idea is that you mention the Carlyle group and Bin Ladens ties etc, and then fail to realize that George H and W BUSH are both members for crying out loud. If Osama had died in 2002, you don't think perhaps it would have been in the corporate interest, better timing to stage his death before the election in 2008? You're talking absolute nonsense in actuality. I'm referring strictly to the Bin Laden theory I should add though, you've got the Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods, WMDS, etc. This just doesn't share ties.
The whole Al Qadea threat was created by America as a pretext for war in Iraq and carrying out there vested interests in the middle east. They absolutely wanted Bin Laden alive as he was the face of that fear, makes no sense at all to stage his death before that.
I should also hope you realize that Bin Laden had been disowned by his own family in 1994 after opposing US forces in Saudi Arabia, as well as carrying out violent Jihads in Egypt and Sudan. He lost his Saudi citizenship and his allowance, no longer sharing any of his families business affiliations whatsoever. But of course that's doesn't make your idea sound as cool either.
You'd think if he was killed during the bush years that bush would release it towards the end of his term to help his legacy and try to help keep his party in power?
Of course the American people only THINK that they have two choices of party... really it's all men behind the curtains pulling the strings, lizard men that is free mason, iluminanti lizard men.
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
I probably have as little faith in American policy as Bilbo or Miles do, but they need to draw the line somewhere and think for a few seconds. Bush and many wealthy Americans dealt with the Bin Laden family because they are Saudi oil kingpins, with strong ties to the Royal family. Osama was just their spoilt brat of a child who lost the plot somewhere and had nothing to do with American business interests.
I hope he shit himself badly
Dead or not ( I don't believe the bullshit and I'm glad ppl are questioning politicians , the talk crap to get in power so y think they'll tell the truth once they r there?) I don't care if he's dead but I think if it was done the way they say ( which it wasn't because they are lying) then it's an act of terrorism you cannot go into another country and shoot an unarmed man ( they said unarmed so whoever said u don't have to be holding a gun they have blown ppl up-- or something like that -- again they said unarmed that means without a weapon be it a bomb , gun, stick!) the story is changing every time someone breathes.. I don't know how a man who bans Internet and phones can mastermind something like that in America without some kind of aid? I need solid proof .... I agree with bilbo miles .. And yeah a crash like twin towers and terrorist passports survive ?? Something says conspiracy and btw freedom of thought and freedom of speech is a wonderful think I can think what I want :)
good scrap on Question Time about it now
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Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerBecause it was completely calling bullshit on the point!Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Jesus Christ...
:vd:
You do know that the name isn't actually spelt using the English alphabet... it's Arabic and there is no official English translation... a lot of people say Osama and a lot of people INCLUDING THE FBI and CIA say Usama
Out of all the things mentioned in my post you pick up a descrepency on spelling :vd:
So that blows everything else out of the water does it?
That's weak, very weak.
How is it weak refuting evidence that tends to weaken your case?
And to debate someone you don't necessarily have to "blow everything else out of the water" but you discriminate facts, point out inconsistencies that gives a blow to your credibility, etc. You test someone's credibility on one thing that is false and that often leads to clearer thinking that a so-called "expert" has other notions that are without merit. ;)
Do you think he banned the internet and phones because he couldn't use them, or due to surveillance concerns kat? Come on... it's not my fucking dad we're talking about here! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by katfight
You're talking like the US didn't have permision to be in Pakistan or that Osama wouldn't have classed himself as a Soldier.
If you're going to go after an enemy, it's hardly terrorism if they come after you, however heavy handed. he got exactly as much mercy as he would show if he was armed and in a room with Obama, or Bush, or me, or you.
Wish they had taken him alive... quiten those who don't believe it, through him away and make him suffer for the rest of his life. Not all that sad he got slotted either though to say the least.
Oh my bad I didn't realise that Osama was an employed member of the armed forces ( soldier) therefore it was ok to shoot him in the head because of course there is a war going on
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Ok so I've heard that the pakistanis knew America doing something and I've heard they didn't so how did u choose which to believe?
The one that suited the outcome the best?
I wasn't questioning surveillance I was questioning how he masterminded 9/11 without any 'help' inside or not when he didn't have Internet and phones?
Yet apparently they took hoardes
Of computers after killing him
He probably liked playing minefield on windows ..
I find the whole thing convenient and I will never believe any politician without evidence what they r saying is true and I believe he could have died in2002 and bush ws told and still didn't understand !! He barely knew his own name ffs
Wtf does that smiley mean?
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Im not understanding your point. I know the Bin Ladens didnt like him which is precisely why they allowed the US to cover up his death. The US and the Bin Ladens are on the same side. They are all in business together.
Also as to which President gets in, why on earth does that matter? Those who are really in control are in control are above the Presidency, that is merely the figurehead puppet. It had nothing to do with securing elections but on carrying out their agenda in the Middle East which would have happened regardless of who was in the White House.
I think thats been a huge problem in some of this entire ordeal. We've approached terrorism as if we are dealing with an auto theft ring or a band of hooligans, a police action, as opposed to a in fact war front. As tragic and bloody on all fronts as it is we'll never fully know details of this operation nor should we. Be it a battle front or a common raid...they were fired on and returned fire. If you are an international terrorist who was the mastermind of the death of 3 k plus men women and children...of many nationalities....your pity party dried up long ago and your sympathy hall pass should be revoked. The took fire...he was cornered, he made a move and he got a double tap. Operator doesn't have time to phone the U.N or call his council for him and the one who hesitates is the one who goes home in a bag. These were soldiers, not johnny on the beat police. I have'real' innocents being roughed up by police and some dying by a local governments hand that are due concern. But this one, this waste of oxygen who has proven to be a weapon by word and control equally and more so than by actual firearm got what he had coming and it was long overdue. I hope the sharks don't choke on his fooking skull is all I ask.
. If you are an international terrorist who was the mastermind of the death of 3 k plus men women and children...of many nationalities
George bush???