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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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generalbulldog
The myth of Mike Tyson was that he could beat up any HW great at their best from Ali, Lewis, Holyfield, Holmes, Foreman came from spectacularly knocking out guys like Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, 39 year old Holmes, and blownup LHW Spinks that caught Holmes at the right time.
Prime for prime and even with Rooney and D'amato in his corner I don't give him that much of a shot of beating them. Knocking out mediocre opposition is 1 thing, trying to do it against all time greats is another. Tyson wasn't prime in his fights with Holyfield and Lewis, but neither were those 2. Holyfield was considered to be a shot fighter in '96 and Lewis was 37 years old and a year from retirement when he fought Tyson.
The Lewis win over Tyson was pretty meaningless. The Holyfield fights were more meaningful, but considering he was facing a man who had spent 3 years in prison, it really wasn't the same Tyson by a long shot. I don't think the Holyfield or the Lewis wins mean all that much in the great scheme of things. Tyson in his own way had aged quicker than any of them and 3 years in prison would erode the skills of most people.
That's the thing with Tyson's career. There were just so many holes in it because of mentalism or jail. All you really have to go on is a period of time when his skills were on fire and he was hungry and for that time he was truly astonishing to watch. It's anyones guess how he would have fared against other greats. I think he would have hurt most of them and been too much and you probably disagree, but that's all we have on stuff like this. Personal perceptions and opinions based on how we see things.
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Mr140
Greynotsold that is the dumbest post i have ever seen posted ever. We in saddo are all dumber from reading let god have mercy on your soul when you die dude.
That is the funniest comeback I have ever heard. I was in tears at work reading that. You have made my world a happier place with that response and for that I am eternally grateful. Your reply could be used on his comment about Roy Jones being only an 8 round fighter and not being an ATG.
;D
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
Thanks master i just don't understand his hate for the heavies and Ali for that matter as well.
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
The myth of Mike Tyson was that he could beat up any HW great at their best from Ali, Lewis, Holyfield, Holmes, Foreman came from spectacularly knocking out guys like Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, 39 year old Holmes, and blownup LHW Spinks that caught Holmes at the right time.
Prime for prime and even with Rooney and D'amato in his corner I don't give him that much of a shot of beating them. Knocking out mediocre opposition is 1 thing, trying to do it against all time greats is another. Tyson wasn't prime in his fights with Holyfield and Lewis, but neither were those 2. Holyfield was considered to be a shot fighter in '96 and Lewis was 37 years old and a year from retirement when he fought Tyson.
It's petty much fact that you can rip any boxers resume to pieces so including the 'great' names you have mentioned.
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I still think the Tyson that was going to fight Holyfield before he went in prison would have just about beat Holyfield in early 1990's before he went to prison. He still had enough from what we saw of him against Rudduck.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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BIG H
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marbleheadmaui
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BIG H
People that discredit Tyson, would not have done so after the Spinks fight. I don't remember any of the criticisms that we now have, being made back then...which means they are based on what went after that. Well that's not looking at his prime! If Tyson retired after the Spinks fight, I'd like to bet not many people would believe that Bowe, Lewis or anybody else since Tyson would've beaten him. Although people try to be objective and forget what he became and all his flaws/weaknesses, these things (that happened after hiS prime) are always (even subsconsciously) taken into consideration imo.
Fact is if he retired after the Spinks fight, everybody has him top 5 all time heavyweight!
(imo of course)
I remeber pulling Britkid up on this years ago. He said he had Tyson as number 12 all time heavyweight. I asked him where he had him on that list back in 1988 and he said top 3. To which I said, well he is still top 3 then!!
But that's how we assess EVERYONE! Looking back. The fact is had he retired after the Spinks fight everyone would have said that's the shortest, least complete heavyweight championship career we've ever seen, WTF?
Prime is prime and after Williams Tyson was damaged goods. If you are looking at peoples' prime you have to judge him between 1986 and 1989. How many world title fights did your beloved John L Sullivan have? Savaldor Sanchez was World champion for 2 years, his death did not change how good he was, so why should what happend to Tyson?
BTW being Lineal champion and that being the shortest reign ever IF he retired after the Spinks fight does not mean he wasn't great. A belt does not make you great.
And longer primes are better than shorter ones, right? I don't have John L in the top ten for exactly that reason and I don't have Sal Sanchez in Mexico's top five for that reason as well. Fighters who can generally defeat the best for five years or more are, everything else equal, more impressive than those with a three year prime, right? And those guys who perform for a decade are more impressive yet, yes?
But let me get this straight. A 23 year old fighter who has not only never lost, but has never been in a war and won his last fight by KO1 is somehow "damaged goods?" Really?
The number of GREAT fighters without a TRUE championship in boxing history can be counted on both hands and 7-8 of those were color issues.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
People that discredit Tyson, would not have done so after the Spinks fight. I don't remember any of the criticisms that we now have, being made back then...which means they are based on what went after that. Well that's not looking at his prime! If Tyson retired after the Spinks fight, I'd like to bet not many people would believe that Bowe, Lewis or anybody else since Tyson would've beaten him. Although people try to be objective and forget what he became and all his flaws/weaknesses, these things (that happened after hiS prime) are always (even subsconsciously) taken into consideration imo.
Fact is if he retired after the Spinks fight, everybody has him top 5 all time heavyweight!
(imo of course)
I remeber pulling Britkid up on this years ago. He said he had Tyson as number 12 all time heavyweight. I asked him where he had him on that list back in 1988 and he said top 3. To which I said, well he is still top 3 then!!
But that's how we assess EVERYONE! Looking back. The fact is had he retired after the Spinks fight everyone would have said that's the shortest, least complete heavyweight championship career we've ever seen, WTF?
Prime is prime and after Williams Tyson was damaged goods. If you are looking at peoples' prime you have to judge him between 1986 and 1989. How many world title fights did your beloved John L Sullivan have? Savaldor Sanchez was World champion for 2 years, his death did not change how good he was, so why should what happend to Tyson?
BTW being Lineal champion and that being the shortest reign ever IF he retired after the Spinks fight does not mean he wasn't great. A belt does not make you great.
And longer primes are better than shorter ones, right? I don't have John L in the top ten for exactly that reason and I don't have Sal Sanchez in Mexico's top five for that reason as well. Fighters who can generally defeat the best for five years or more are, everything else equal, more impressive than those with a three year prime, right? And those guys who perform for a decade are more impressive yet, yes?
But let me get this straight.
A 23 year old fighter who has not only never lost, but has never been in a war and won his last fight by KO1 is somehow "damaged goods?" Really?
The number of GREAT fighters without a TRUE championship in boxing history can be counted on both hands and 7-8 of those were color issues.
You obviously know very little about physcology :) If his head was fucked, his head was fucked, simple as. What percentage of boxing do you think is mental verus physical?
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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BIG H
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
People that discredit Tyson, would not have done so after the Spinks fight. I don't remember any of the criticisms that we now have, being made back then...which means they are based on what went after that. Well that's not looking at his prime! If Tyson retired after the Spinks fight, I'd like to bet not many people would believe that Bowe, Lewis or anybody else since Tyson would've beaten him. Although people try to be objective and forget what he became and all his flaws/weaknesses, these things (that happened after hiS prime) are always (even subsconsciously) taken into consideration imo.
Fact is if he retired after the Spinks fight, everybody has him top 5 all time heavyweight!
(imo of course)
I remeber pulling Britkid up on this years ago. He said he had Tyson as number 12 all time heavyweight. I asked him where he had him on that list back in 1988 and he said top 3. To which I said, well he is still top 3 then!!
But that's how we assess EVERYONE! Looking back. The fact is had he retired after the Spinks fight everyone would have said that's the shortest, least complete heavyweight championship career we've ever seen, WTF?
Prime is prime and after Williams Tyson was damaged goods. If you are looking at peoples' prime you have to judge him between 1986 and 1989. How many world title fights did your beloved John L Sullivan have? Savaldor Sanchez was World champion for 2 years, his death did not change how good he was, so why should what happend to Tyson?
BTW being Lineal champion and that being the shortest reign ever IF he retired after the Spinks fight does not mean he wasn't great. A belt does not make you great.
And longer primes are better than shorter ones, right? I don't have John L in the top ten for exactly that reason and I don't have Sal Sanchez in Mexico's top five for that reason as well. Fighters who can generally defeat the best for five years or more are, everything else equal, more impressive than those with a three year prime, right? And those guys who perform for a decade are more impressive yet, yes?
But let me get this straight.
A 23 year old fighter who has not only never lost, but has never been in a war and won his last fight by KO1 is somehow "damaged goods?" Really?
The number of GREAT fighters without a TRUE championship in boxing history can be counted on both hands and 7-8 of those were color issues.
You obviously know very little about physcology :) If his head was fucked, his head was fucked, simple as. What percentage of boxing do you think is mental verus physical?
I know enough psychology to know you need a sit down to make a diagnosis! ;)
In the immortal words of Yogi Berra? The physical side is 90% mental.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
Tyson looked good beating up crap comp i give him credit for the Spinks and Holmes fights. He never would of beat Holyfeild not on his level and Lewis lucky punch is his best shot and thats about it.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
Go as far out to the middle of nowhere as you can go. Dig a hole two hundred miles underground. Dig out some pigme underground citizen ask him who mike tyson is and i bet he'll tell you. And people ask if he was really any good.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
Mike Tyson for all intents and purposes never achieved greatness because of the change of people entrusted with his care and to repeat the history behind that statement is a waste of time. Mike Tyson, to use the words of trainers I have met was a high active fighter, I may have used the wrong words but it simply means that Mike had to fight often and be free of distractions and that included reading and believing his own press. In other words, without learning and constant activity and preparation, Mike was a loose cannon with a good punch and there would come a time when luck and not ability would keep him afloat. Believe it or not he knew this but like a fly caught in a spider's web he surrendered to the inevitable. That means all the trappings and trimmings on a cake he should never have dined on. Mike had they potential to be great but sooner or later a bigger man would put him to thye test and not Riddick Bowe whose concentration would wither away in the middle rounds. Bowe also fought on the inside, big mistake. The prpof is when he lost to Holyfield and his fights with Golata. Big men should fight tall and Mike should never have stood up to slug it out with Ruddock either. His ego got in the way and Rooney was perfect for the job and Giachetti was a thug that posed as a manager. Great? He had potential but we will never know because Mike fought his scariest opponent and was K.O."D. His name was Mike Tyson.
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By the way he was what they call a high energy fighter and sooner or later his candle would have burned out unless someone taught him how to conserve energy in the ring. Buster Dopuglas put the flame out on his candle and trained for Holyfield on pizza and beer via room service. His ambition didn't last long so, so much for greatness.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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marbleheadmaui
But that's how we assess EVERYONE! Looking back. The fact is had he retired after the Spinks fight everyone would have said that's the shortest, least complete heavyweight championship career we've ever seen, WTF?
George Foreman only managed 2 defences in the 70's and lost 1 of them;D
P.S. This is the first time iv looked in this thread for a while. Didnt realise big H was saying the same thing I did about judging Mike up till Spinks!
Otherwise we might as well say Jones was shit;D
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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roberto duran legend
If u are to be called a great fighter , surely you must of beat some really good or great fighters ? . Does iron mike really deserve to be called great ? . After all his best wins were over , Michael Spinks who was a great light heavy , but still a small heavyweight , and a faded legend in Larry Holmes . NOT the best resume is it . I know he was fearsome in his prime , but he never beat a top world class fighter in there prime .He was outclassed by Holyfield TWICE , and Lewis when long past his best . Bowe would have kicked his ass as well .
Yes, Tyson is TBE. Nuff said.
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Mike Tyson's issue was COKE... that and whores... Don King controlled him with those vices, and the rest is history.
People don't realize that an oversexed, coked out confused Mike Tyson was beating the hell out of HW's.
:o
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
Mike Tyson's issue was COKE... that and whores... Don King controlled him with those vices, and the rest is history.
People don't realize that an oversexed, coked out confused Mike Tyson was beating the hell out of HW's.
:o
He was beating the hell out of Joe Public, women in fact anyone other than decent heavyweights/cruiserweights, who humiliated him. Mans a disgrace, he only gets media coverage because he bit evanders ear, never mind he got hammered twice by a cruiser who had some balls and did not play the iron mike agenda, then along comes lennox and humiliates the twat again! Not to mention Irishmen , Danny Williams or Buster Douglas! Mans a disgrace, fuck him
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
Mike Tyson's issue was COKE... that and whores... Don King controlled him with those vices, and the rest is history.
People don't realize that an oversexed, coked out confused Mike Tyson was beating the hell out of HW's.
:o
He was beating the hell out of Joe Public, women in fact anyone other than decent heavyweights/cruiserweights, who humiliated him. Mans a disgrace, he only gets media coverage because he bit evanders ear, never mind he got hammered twice by a cruiser who had some balls and did not play the iron mike agenda, then along comes lennox and humiliates the twat again! Not to mention Irishmen , Danny Williams or Buster Douglas! Mans a disgrace, fuck him
How about fuck you mate!
All boxers fight bums at the start of their career. From the time Tyson fought for his first title he was NOT fighting bums.
In fact a proper evaluation has him with probably the 5th best HW resume of all time! After the Klitschko's, Holyfield and Lewis!
That "Cruiser" happened to be a "former Cruiser" and was roided to the absolute gills and one of the legends of the sport!
Other than that, LEnnox Lewis, among the best fighters ever to set foot in the ring and 3 other big boxers who out-talled and outweighed him!
Buster outboxed him soundly. Tyson was winning nearly every round against Williams before getting caught by big punches from a 270 bloody lb man! And he was pretty much even in the McBride fight too before he quit and retired.
Gee that's really something to diss there man!
Amongst all that, the man basically destroyed many good opponents and was always a dangerous and feared puncher right to the very end. Fuck me, I have never seen another boxer quite like Mike who can bend around punches, work their way inside with such exceptional handspeed, accuracy combined with savage power. I reckon that might have earned him a bit of media coverage well before he bit Evanders bloody ear off!
Your acidic post deserves the highest scorn, and you disrespect excellent boxer!
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Mike Tyson was awesome, what an unbelievable time for boxing
The excitement around the sport can only really be matched by times during the Ali era (in liveable memory)
anyone who comes out with all shit like he wasnt great because...... is a bellend and really doesnt understand what makes boxing great :)
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Max Power
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Originally Posted by
nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
Mike Tyson's issue was COKE... that and whores... Don King controlled him with those vices, and the rest is history.
People don't realize that an oversexed, coked out confused Mike Tyson was beating the hell out of HW's.
:o
He was beating the hell out of Joe Public, women in fact anyone other than decent heavyweights/cruiserweights, who humiliated him. Mans a disgrace, he only gets media coverage because he bit evanders ear, never mind he got hammered twice by a cruiser who had some balls and did not play the iron mike agenda, then along comes lennox and humiliates the twat again! Not to mention Irishmen , Danny Williams or Buster Douglas! Mans a disgrace, fuck him
How about fuck you mate!
All boxers fight bums at the start of their career. From the time Tyson fought for his first title he was NOT fighting bums.
In fact a proper evaluation has him with probably the 5th best HW resume of all time! After the Klitschko's, Holyfield and Lewis!
That "Cruiser" happened to be a "former Cruiser" and was roided to the absolute gills and one of the legends of the sport!
Other than that, LEnnox Lewis, among the best fighters ever to set foot in the ring and 3 other big boxers who out-talled and outweighed him!
Buster outboxed him soundly. Tyson was winning nearly every round against Williams before getting caught by big punches from a 270 bloody lb man! And he was pretty much even in the McBride fight too before he quit and retired.
Gee that's really something to diss there man!
Amongst all that, the man basically destroyed many good opponents and was always a dangerous and feared puncher right to the very end. Fuck me, I have never seen another boxer quite like Mike who can bend around punches, work their way inside with such exceptional handspeed, accuracy combined with savage power. I reckon that might have earned him a bit of media coverage well before he bit Evanders bloody ear off!
Your acidic post deserves the highest scorn, and you disrespect excellent boxer!
If you're in a hole, dont keep digging! You make a better case that me for disrespecting him, heavyweight gets beat by bigger, older, fatter heavyweight, remind me what the weight limit is? Twat!
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
Mike Tyson's issue was COKE... that and whores... Don King controlled him with those vices, and the rest is history.
People don't realize that an oversexed, coked out confused Mike Tyson was beating the hell out of HW's.
:o
He was beating the hell out of Joe Public, women in fact anyone other than decent heavyweights/cruiserweights, who humiliated him. Mans a disgrace, he only gets media coverage because he bit evanders ear, never mind he got hammered twice by a cruiser who had some balls and did not play the iron mike agenda, then along comes lennox and humiliates the twat again! Not to mention Irishmen , Danny Williams or Buster Douglas! Mans a disgrace, fuck him
How about fuck you mate!
All boxers fight bums at the start of their career. From the time Tyson fought for his first title he was NOT fighting bums.
In fact a proper evaluation has him with probably the 5th best HW resume of all time! After the Klitschko's, Holyfield and Lewis!
That "Cruiser" happened to be a "former Cruiser" and was roided to the absolute gills and one of the legends of the sport!
Other than that, LEnnox Lewis, among the best fighters ever to set foot in the ring and 3 other big boxers who out-talled and outweighed him!
Buster outboxed him soundly. Tyson was winning nearly every round against Williams before getting caught by big punches from a 270 bloody lb man! And he was pretty much even in the McBride fight too before he quit and retired.
Gee that's really something to diss there man!
Amongst all that, the man basically destroyed many good opponents and was always a dangerous and feared puncher right to the very end. Fuck me, I have never seen another boxer quite like Mike who can bend around punches, work their way inside with such exceptional handspeed, accuracy combined with savage power. I reckon that might have earned him a bit of media coverage well before he bit Evanders bloody ear off!
Your acidic post deserves the highest scorn, and you disrespect excellent boxer!
If you're in a hole, dont keep digging! You make a better case that me for disrespecting him, heavyweight gets beat by bigger, older, fatter heavyweight, remind me what the weight limit is? Twat!
You think I'm digging a hole?
Mike Tyson went 50-6!
Mike was out-talled in all his losses.
Mike was outweighed in ALL his losses except the first Holyfield fight. And we don't even need to pump up Holyfield's quality at all to understand why. ALL we have to do is look at Holyfield in this picture!
http://178.32.177.128/b/b0/Mike_Tyso...ld_._Fasan.jpg
Also MOST HW champions outweigh their opponents more often than not. Mike Tyson is one of the few exceptions that was outweighed as often as he outweighed them.
This is testament to the quality of Mike Tyson, not contrary to it you bloody idiot!
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
Mike Tyson's issue was COKE... that and whores... Don King controlled him with those vices, and the rest is history.
People don't realize that an oversexed, coked out confused Mike Tyson was beating the hell out of HW's.
:o
He was beating the hell out of Joe Public, women in fact anyone other than decent heavyweights/cruiserweights, who humiliated him. Mans a disgrace, he only gets media coverage because he bit evanders ear, never mind he got hammered twice by a cruiser who had some balls and did not play the iron mike agenda, then along comes lennox and humiliates the twat again! Not to mention Irishmen , Danny Williams or Buster Douglas! Mans a disgrace, fuck him
A mixture of tall poppy and sick puppy syndrome.:p
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greynotsoold
Tyson was pretty tough, because, unlike many HWs, his offense was based off his defense.
But here's where it all gets funky. Losing Rooney was not what made him slip, because Rooney was just a drunken stumble bum to begin with. Tyson was done in by the peek-a-boo style.
In that manner of fighting, reflexes are key. Patterson ditched it, but Tyson never did. What he needed, once his reflexes slipped, was not somebody seeking to return him to his "old" style, especially not Rooney (who was never otherwise involved with anyone of any success).
What he needed was a trainer that would point him in a direction that would enable him to succeed.
And no HW will ever be "great" because HWs are typically so abysmally skilled.
I agree, Roooney was good as flesh behind Cus's mind, executing his training commands.
Alone, he was not that good + drinking problems.
After watching Tyson's fights, Cus died around fight no 11 if I am not mistaken, Tyson's style started to changce already since then, but he kept going for a while till he won the title.
I also think, Cus was apparently too old to train Mike in the ring himself, hold mitts and stuff
But the real more important reason is this:
Cus used "good and bad cop" method with Mike. It was important to keep an image of a father in Mike's eye, so Mike would be his doggy all the time,
obeying his commands. Cus rarely said any crap to Mike, always only encourage him. The crap came from Rooney or Altas , who was intructed by Cus actually. This is why
when Mike reached the top, he had no regrets dumping Rooney (and Atlas earlier). Who would like to keep a pain-in-the-ass around yourself all the time?
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NVSemin
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greynotsoold
Tyson was pretty tough, because, unlike many HWs, his offense was based off his defense.
But here's where it all gets funky. Losing Rooney was not what made him slip, because Rooney was just a drunken stumble bum to begin with. Tyson was done in by the peek-a-boo style.
In that manner of fighting, reflexes are key. Patterson ditched it, but Tyson never did. What he needed, once his reflexes slipped, was not somebody seeking to return him to his "old" style, especially not Rooney (who was never otherwise involved with anyone of any success).
What he needed was a trainer that would point him in a direction that would enable him to succeed.
And no HW will ever be "great" because HWs are typically so abysmally skilled.
I agree, Roooney was good as flesh behind Cus's mind, executing his training commands.
Alone, he was not that good + drinking problems.
After watching Tyson's fights, Cus died around fight no 11 if I am not mistaken, Tyson's style started to changce already since then, but he kept going for a while till he won the title.
I also think, Cus
1) was apparently too old to train Mike in the rign himself, hold mitts and stuff
2) Cus used "good and bad cop" method with Mike. It was important to keep an image of a father in Mike's eye, so Mike was his dog
Cus rarely said any crap to Mike, always encourage him. The crap came from Rooney, who was intructed by Cus actually. This is why
when Mike reached the top, he had no regrets dumping Rooney. Who would like to keep a pain-in-the-ass around yourself all the time?
I agree also that Rooney wasn't that good by himself...BUT they had a team!
Also: Ditching the peeka a boo style comment further validates my claim that it was not a perfect system.
But I am not sure if I think that Rooney was a problem. I felt he had a solid camp with Rooney, Atlas and Giachetti.
from a trainer perspective-here is where I get political...Was when Don King came in. Altas was gone by then by putting a gun to Tyson's face. rooney and Giachettii were pushed out by CON-King IMO who played the race card. Then he got his buddies Holloway and another I forget his name, but when his crew finally eliminated Giachetti...Tyson was now surrounded by "yes" men.
Even Ronnie Shields did a fukced up job with no damn inswell against Douglas. What did they use? A balloon or a Con-King Condom? Makes me mad just typing this.
With a thread I did about cornermen quotes it was Giachetti that reminded me of when Tyson had guys who could at least tell him he was F'in up.
vs Ruddock II Ritchie says to Mike: MIkey, your looking for one damn shot and its no damn good! You hear me Mikey?" then slap!
Rooney to Tyson when Tyson said he was being held- Rooney "what do you mean he's holding you? Don't give me that. I want you bent at the knees...backed behind a strong solid jab and you MAKE him stop holding you. Man I loved those days..Tyson had a team. Individually? Yeah you guys are right, they weren't that sound. But as a team....damn good IMO
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Also: Ditching the peeka a boo style comment further validates my claim that it was not a perfect system.
Who ever said it is perfect? Fighting is a game when you are trying to outsmart your opponent. Peekaboo is a very good counter system against classical orthodox boxers and sluggers, etc. Would be cool to see peekaboo vs a good heavy weight with James Toney's / Mayweather / Ezzard Charles / George Benton kinda skills, but there have been none.
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NVSemin
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SlimTrae
Also: Ditching the peeka a boo style comment further validates my claim that it was not a perfect system.
Who ever said it is perfect? Fighting is a game when you are trying to outsmart your opponent. Peekaboo is a very good counter system against classical orthodox boxers and sluggers, etc. Would be cool to see peekaboo vs a good heavy weight with James Toney's / Mayweather / Ezzard Charles / George Benton kinda skills, but there have been none.
I'm too tired to find the post or thread, but it was a counter to saying that Tyson's knowledge was good or I think it was stated great, but IMO it wasn't his greatest factor: IMO it was the FEAR factor that made Tyson such a formidable foe. Against big mofos at that.
I used the analogy of Evander fight # I who timed the shit outta Tyson's head movement to further validate that Tyson's (numbers) system in some ways had more flaws then we could see at the time" Buster & evander proved it. Stand up to Tyson (no fear) and watch Tyson's demeanor shrivel up like a dick in a cold swimming pool.
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SlimTrae
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NVSemin
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
Also: Ditching the peeka a boo style comment further validates my claim that it was not a perfect system.
Who ever said it is perfect? Fighting is a game when you are trying to outsmart your opponent. Peekaboo is a very good counter system against classical orthodox boxers and sluggers, etc. Would be cool to see peekaboo vs a good heavy weight with James Toney's / Mayweather / Ezzard Charles / George Benton kinda skills, but there have been none.
I'm too tired to find the post or thread, but it was a counter to saying that Tyson's knowledge was good or I think it was stated great, but IMO it wasn't his greatest factor: IMO it was the FEAR factor that made Tyson such a formidable foe. Against big mofos at that.
I used the analogy of Evander fight # I who timed the shit outta Tyson's head movement to further validate that Tyson's (numbers) system in some ways had more flaws then we could see at the time" Buster & evander proved it. Stand up to Tyson (no fear) and watch Tyson's demeanor shrivel up like a dick in a cold swimming pool.
Like I said, this fight was a tricky thingy, Holyfield was lead by the Spirit of God.
When the Creator fights your battles, peekaboo ain't gonna help. Also, MT was a self-righteous muslim at that time. He was DOOMED to fail. It has nothing to do with peekaboo.
However, when Holyfield was in a cocky self-righteous state, fighting as a orthodox boxers, there is no way he could beat prime MT from 1986-1988. Amen!
This is the ULTIMATE UNDISPUTED TRUTH, please, do not bother answering this comments, just accept as good son accepts the will of the FATHER.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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Also: Ditching the peeka a boo style comment further validates my claim that it was not a perfect system.
Who ever said it is perfect? Fighting is a game when you are trying to outsmart your opponent. Peekaboo is a very good counter system against classical orthodox boxers and sluggers, etc. Would be cool to see peekaboo vs a good heavy weight with James Toney's / Mayweather / Ezzard Charles / George Benton kinda skills, but there have been none.
I'm too tired to find the post or thread, but it was a counter to saying that Tyson's knowledge was good or I think it was stated great, but IMO it wasn't his greatest factor: IMO it was the FEAR factor that made Tyson such a formidable foe. Against big mofos at that.
I used the analogy of Evander fight # I who timed the shit outta Tyson's head movement to further validate that Tyson's (numbers) system in some ways had more flaws then we could see at the time" Buster & evander proved it. Stand up to Tyson (no fear) and watch Tyson's demeanor shrivel up like a dick in a cold swimming pool.
Like I said, this fight was a tricky thingy, Holyfield was lead by the Spirit of God.
When the Creator fights your battles, peekaboo ain't gonna help. Also, MT was a muslim at that time. He was DOOMED to fail. It has nothing to do with peekaboo.
However, when Holyfield was in a cocky self-righteous state, fighting as a orthodox boxers, there is no way he could beat prime MT from 1986-1988. Amen!
This is the ULTIMATE UNDISPUTED TRUTH, please, do not bother answering this comments, just accept as good son accepts the will of the FATHER.
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Re: Is mike Tyson that great ?
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NVSemin
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SlimTrae
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NVSemin
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SlimTrae
Also: Ditching the peeka a boo style comment further validates my claim that it was not a perfect system.
Who ever said it is perfect? Fighting is a game when you are trying to outsmart your opponent. Peekaboo is a very good counter system against classical orthodox boxers and sluggers, etc. Would be cool to see peekaboo vs a good heavy weight with James Toney's / Mayweather / Ezzard Charles / George Benton kinda skills, but there have been none.
I'm too tired to find the post or thread, but it was a counter to saying that Tyson's knowledge was good or I think it was stated great, but IMO it wasn't his greatest factor: IMO it was the FEAR factor that made Tyson such a formidable foe. Against big mofos at that.
I used the analogy of Evander fight # I who timed the shit outta Tyson's head movement to further validate that Tyson's (numbers) system in some ways had more flaws then we could see at the time" Buster & evander proved it. Stand up to Tyson (no fear) and watch Tyson's demeanor shrivel up like a dick in a cold swimming pool.
Like I said, this fight was a tricky thingy, Holyfield was lead by the Spirit of God.
When the Creator fights your battles, peekaboo ain't gonna help. Also, MT was a self-righteous muslim at that time. He was DOOMED to fail. It has nothing to do with peekaboo.
However, when Holyfield was in a cocky self-righteous state, fighting as a orthodox boxers, there is no way he could beat prime MT from 1986-1988. Amen!
This is the ULTIMATE UNDISPUTED TRUTH, please, do not bother answering this comments, just accept as good son accepts the will of the FATHER.
LOL Talk about taking the piss NV ;D
Anyway on a serious note, Mike lost to "roid-field"
Any version of Holyfield prior to 215 Holy (Bowe 2) gets beaten soundly by Mike. Mike could beat the Holyfield from Bowe 1 as well.
I don't KNOW if the 80's Mike could have beaten "Roid-field". But I always rate Evander h2h, prime4prime the notch above based on evidence, speculation excluded.
