Mayweather announces ring return against Ortiz on Sept. 17

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

It's a tune-up for Manny. Ortiz has zero, and I mean zero shot to win this fight.

But it's a tune-up so that's fine.

The idea that beating as limited a guy as Victo Ortiz means something is pretty funny.

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He's a top contender, I'm amazed that you have a problem with this considering how much emphasis you place on the old guys facing top contenders.

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The idea Victor Ortiz is a top contender is one of the saddest concepts I've seen in a while ;)

But you make a fair point!

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Maybe, but Mayweather & Pacquiao aside there's no better 147lber. He beat the best other guy.

I also think Ortiz is better than being given credit for by many here. I think he's big & strong enough to cause some real problems to Mayweather, who I don't believe hits as hard as Maidana or Berto.

Floyd by wide UD. I say Floyd takes at least 10 rounds.

Floyd Mayweather wins this fight easily.

He's a level above Ortiz.


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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

It's a tune-up for Manny. Ortiz has zero, and I mean zero shot to win this fight.

But it's a tune-up so that's fine.

The idea that beating as limited a guy as Victo Ortiz means something is pretty funny.

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He's a top contender, I'm amazed that you have a problem with this considering how much emphasis you place on the old guys facing top contenders.

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The idea Victor Ortiz is a top contender is one of the saddest concepts I've seen in a while ;)

But you make a fair point!

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Maybe, but Mayweather & Pacquiao aside there's no better 147lber. He beat the best other guy.

I also think Ortiz is better than being given credit for by many here. I think he's big & strong enough to cause some real problems to Mayweather, who I don't believe hits as hard as Maidana or Berto.

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He moves in straight lines, forgets his jab for long periods, has a mediocre ring IQ and is extremely easy to hit (all by the standards of good fighters). Now Ortiz IS big (what exactly do you call a welter who fights in the ring as a super-middle?) and strong and has heavy hands. I don't think those are the traits that can cause a Mayweather (if he is still Mayweather) problems though. I think things that cause Floyd (if he is still Floyd) trouble are fast hands, fast feet and the ability to make Floyd pursue rather than counter. I think Floyd pecks him to death, tires him out and knocks him out late. Ortiz doesn't win a round after the first.

Of course at 34 there is some chance Floyd is no longer Floyd. It'll happen at some point. Then all bets are off.

I should say I am THRILLED Floyd is getting back in the ring. We don't get to watch great fighters all that often. Now we get one more time.

Reading some of you guys posts gives me a headache...doesn't matter what Floyd does your going to find a way to talk shit. Same guys giving Oriz props after the great fight with berto now think he's a gimme fight. It's like floyd says he cant win the fans over no matter what he does.

Looking forward to another masterclass of hitting and not being hit for twelve punishing rounds for Ortiz.

So The gutless cherry picker may grace the boxing world with another boring PPV, yippeee, I can't wait not to watch it.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

Reading some of you guys posts gives me a headache...doesn't matter what Floyd does your going to find a way to talk shit. Same guys giving Oriz props after the great fight with berto now think he's a gimme fight. It's like floyd says he cant win the fans over no matter what he does.

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So how is ducking Pacquiao for the last 3 + years, and fighting Ortiz suppose to win this gutless piece of shit fans?

i like this fight. i think its gonna end up like gatti vs mayweather. except, ortiz doesn't have gatti's chin or heart. so that means we'll get a quick brutal early KO...and we won't have to watch ortiz get his ass beat around the ring for 6 rounds like we did gatti. that made me sick.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

i like this fight. i think its gonna end up like gatti vs mayweather. except, ortiz doesn't have gatti's chin or heart. so that means we'll get a quick brutal early KO...and we won't have to watch ortiz get his ass beat around the ring for 6 rounds like we did gatti. that made me sick.

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You're joking right? Ortiz doesnt need Gatti's heart because he's light years better than him in just about every other area. His chin is sturdy enough and he's shown some cojones in his last fight. He's nearing his prime and with his southpaw style, he's going to put up a fight unlike Gatti who gave Floyd nothing to think about. There wont be any early KO, I know that much.

This is a real fight.

Just read the ESPN article about this and, yes, Victor Ortiz has agreed to random blood tests. I guess he has NOTHING to hide :).

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Originally Posted by Chino

Just read the ESPN article about this and, yes, Victor Ortiz has agreed to random blood tests. I guess he has NOTHING to hide :).

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Yep he knows he's clean. What kind of fighter would turn down a big purse because of a harmless drug test.

Someone is suspect.

Wide Floyd UD, I've completely lost interest in his career. Mayweather could teach Ortiz how to box for heaven sakes, this won't be competitive at all.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

i like this fight. i think its gonna end up like gatti vs mayweather. except, ortiz doesn't have gatti's chin or heart. so that means we'll get a quick brutal early KO...and we won't have to watch ortiz get his ass beat around the ring for 6 rounds like we did gatti. that made me sick.

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You're joking right? Ortiz doesnt need Gatti's heart because he's light years better than him in just about every other area. His chin is sturdy enough and he's shown some cojones in his last fight. He's nearing his prime and with his southpaw style, he's going to put up a fight unlike Gatti who gave Floyd nothing to think about. There wont be any early KO, I know that much.

This is a real fight.

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oh yeah. . . i forgot mayweather doesn't KO people anymore. he bores them to death. but the floyd that fought gatti woulda destroyed ortiz under three.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

Reading some of you guys posts gives me a headache...doesn't matter what Floyd does your going to find a way to talk shit. Same guys giving Oriz props after the great fight with berto now think he's a gimme fight. It's like floyd says he cant win the fans over no matter what he does.

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That's not entirely true. There is one thing he could do to win over many people, but - for whatever reason - he has steadfastly refused to.

Well, I for one and pleased he is back in the ring - and announcing it the day I posted on here how much I missed him.

Love him or hate him, the boxing world is a better place with him in it.

I don't get all the hate for this fight, though. He is fighting the best available opponent, is fighting a big hitting southpaw who nearly always drops his opponents yet people are STILL moaning. After this announcement, I am more confident than ever that the fight we all want to see will happen in May 2012. The fact he has chosen to fight a southpaw who likes to come forward gives me that idea.

I'm 99% sure Sky Sports will be showing it live as well so really looking forward to this fight. As someone else mentioned on here, funny how Floyd is criticized for taking this fight and yet people are alright with some of Pacquiao's recent opponents.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by No Contest

Reading some of you guys posts gives me a headache...doesn't matter what Floyd does your going to find a way to talk shit. Same guys giving Oriz props after the great fight with berto now think he's a gimme fight. It's like floyd says he cant win the fans over no matter what he does.

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So how is ducking Pacquiao for the last 3 + years, and fighting Ortiz suppose to win this gutless piece of shit fans?

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Just like he ducked Margarito right? It's funny that some guys have to seemingly fight everyone in the top 10 or they are ducking someone. I'm done arguing about whos to blame for Mayweather-Pac not fighting.... been there done that go look up an old thread. Mayweather ducked Cotto, Williams, Forrest, hmm let me see who else was around his weight he didnt fight....

Floyd fighting Ortiz, is a good fight for Ortiz and a bad one for Floyd. Unless he admits publicly that this fight is a tune up for Pacman next year -- well that sounds compelling. It gives Ortiz a chance to get the next big ticket to super stardom. For Floyd, its risk worth taking, but why would he risk his career and potential 50million for Ortiz if he has the chance to jump on to the mega fight with pac? But I honestly give credit to Floyd for cutting his 'vacation' short.

Now Roger was qouted saying that Ortiz fight is a harder challenge than a Pacman fight. Why the hell did they take the harder fight for the less money then? That goes to show you that they are very much into ducking mode when it comes to pac.

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Originally Posted by Dench

Floyd fighting Ortiz, is a good fight for Ortiz and a bad one for Floyd. Unless he admits publicly that this fight is a tune up for Pacman next year -- well that sounds compelling. It gives Ortiz a chance to get the next big ticket to super stardom. For Floyd, its risk worth taking, but why would he risk his career and potential 50million for Ortiz if he has the chance to jump on to the mega fight with pac? But I honestly give credit to Floyd for cutting his 'vacation' short.

Now Roger was qouted saying that Ortiz fight is a harder challenge than a Pacman fight. Why the hell did they take the harder fight for the less money then? That goes to show you that they are very much into ducking mode when it comes to pac.

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Pac isn't available until May 2012 now. Floyd obviously wants to get back in the ring before then. I never was optimistic that the fight will happen but now with this and the figures being thrown around (and with how Pac displayed against Mosley) I think it will. The fact Ortiz is a southpaw is significant.

Wasn't everyone lining up berto to fight Pac just a little while ago, now the guy that beat Berto isn't a good enough option for Floyd? I also wonder why theres not as much talk of the catchweight for Pac-Marquez. People were dissing Mayweather for it, oh he only fights smaller guys. Last time Pac-marquez fought was super-feather. Somehow the older guy isnt the one that can go up in weight as much, man that Pacquiao has such a great nutritionist! Jumping his weigh in up 13 lbs in the span of nine months, how does he do it?!?!

Allegedly, Floyd has been guaranteed $40m for this fight.

Wow.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Bottom line: the opponents of Pacquiao and Mayweather won't be ideal until they either fight each other or go for glory and step up in weight to face Martinez.

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Exactly, summed up in that one line ! :cool:

Ortiz should play silly beggars and request Floyd do a drugs test.

It's a fair matchup, but not the one we were looking for. I struggle to see Mayweather having a difficult time with Ortiz who doesn't have a jab and is too easy to hit. Berto was a good win, but that was Berto who none of us really rated. Mayweather is a different league skillwise and I struggle to see where Ortiz can make an impact. That defence is too good and Ortiz doesn't have the output to really pressure Mayweather for 12 rounds either.

As a tune up for Pac it is ideal, but you get the feeling that Mayweather has looked for someone with weaknesses and wants his payday for the year. He will likely vanish for another 18 months after getting the win.

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Originally Posted by Dench

Floyd fighting Ortiz, is a good fight for Ortiz and a bad one for Floyd. Unless he admits publicly that this fight is a tune up for Pacman next year -- well that sounds compelling. It gives Ortiz a chance to get the next big ticket to super stardom. For Floyd, its risk worth taking, but why would he risk his career and potential 50million for Ortiz if he has the chance to jump on to the mega fight with pac? But I honestly give credit to Floyd for cutting his 'vacation' short.

Now Roger was qouted saying that Ortiz fight is a harder challenge than a Pacman fight. Why the hell did they take the harder fight for the less money then? That goes to show you that they are very much into ducking mode when it comes to pac.

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Did you mean Pac would rather make less fighting Floyds leftovers for less money.......when he could take a drug test and make more?

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

It's a tune-up for Manny. Ortiz has zero, and I mean zero shot to win this fight.

But it's a tune-up so that's fine.

The idea that beating as limited a guy as Victo Ortiz means something is pretty funny.

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He's a top contender, I'm amazed that you have a problem with this considering how much emphasis you place on the old guys facing top contenders.

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The idea Victor Ortiz is a top contender is one of the saddest concepts I've seen in a while ;)

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Especially when you consider the fact that he is the Champion in this fight :p


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I think the thing that interests me most is the idea that Ortiz is effectively another 'youth & aggression' fighter while Mayweather will be 34 1/2 and I'm just now starting to wonder if there's any rust setting in?
He seemed fine against Marquez but I had some reservations about his legs in the Mosley fight so I'm keen to see how he does...


This is the sort of fight an old man looses.

Seeing as Victor Ortiz is the champion, I expect Floyd Mayweather to enter the ring first...

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Originally Posted by boxingbantz

Seeing as Victor Ortiz is the champion, I expect Floyd Mayweather to enter the ring first...

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;D Hahaha. oh wow that will be wired! I wonder....

Floyd gets dropped in the first round as part of an elaborate scheme to draw even more interest and bets against him to get kayoed by pac. It will drive his purse above 100 million in a fight against Pac in 2012, with some catchy promotional build up tied to the Mayan prediction of the world ending. (MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO - THE BIG BANG) Floyd will have Bruce Willis wearing his Armageddon wardrobe during his ring walk. Pacman will fly out in his costume from his film, and I'll be streaming it, because neither is getting another dime from me for PPV.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

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Seeing as Victor Ortiz is the champion, I expect Floyd Mayweather to enter the ring first...

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;D Hahaha. oh wow that will be wired! I wonder....

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I'd bet everything I own that Floyd has made it one of his demands for the fight. No way does he come into the ring first after nearly a year and a half out. I'm sure Ortiz will be ok with it, though. He will be happy just to share a ring with Floyd.

I don't understand people's displeasure here??? 1st and foremost Ortiz is a livlier opponent than anyone PAC has fought in years. Arum and Roach carefully select in house Top Rank fighters that have really 0 chance and were once great fighters that have hardly any tread left on the tires but Uncle Bob will spray armor all on them and shine em up for you and have you believe their still good.. So a bloated JMM who Floyd proved had absolutely 0 chance at a higher weight is a better option than a strong young fit bull of Ortiz. Who will probably have 10 lbs on Floyd come fight night???

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Seeing as Victor Ortiz is the champion, I expect Floyd Mayweather to enter the ring first...

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;D Hahaha. oh wow that will be wired! I wonder....

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I'd bet everything I own that Floyd has made it one of his demands for the fight. No way does he come into the ring first after nearly a year and a half out. I'm sure Ortiz will be ok with it, though. He will be happy just to share a ring with Floyd.

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Oh man, thats worse than catchweights imo, the champion should come out last. Ortiz better keep his mentality in check and walk like a champ.

I'm a big Floyd fan. But now it's time for him to lose!!! I hate to say it, but, although I thinks he defeat Pacman, I believe he's scared of Pacman.
This fight gave me an headache. Got so many mix thoughts.
1. At least it's not against Spadora
HELL, he should bring Spad in to spar
2. At this stage in their careers, Ortiz hits harder then Mosley. And Mosley had stop the clock for :59 or so.
3. Southpaw? Although like someone said, Ortiz and Manny don't fight nothing alike, this will be a great time to try Naz Ric gameplan in turning a southpaw.
4. It's no way the boxing world would give Manny any crap for paying JMM off(if the contract is already signed-doubt it) to fight Floyd.
5. Floyd did have to beat the court system first.
6. Why Berto can't excercise a rematch clause? He need to find a new promoter!!!
BTW, what's next for Berto? Bradley on the undercard?
7. Ortiz keeps his hands up high for the entire fight. So Floyd's laser jab to the head won't be a major factor(early) On the other hand, Floyd's jab to the stomach will break Ortiz down. Not to mention, Floyd's pocket fighting(as long as it's not against the ropes. Even then Ortiz loads up and square up to much. Floyd will dominate that area.
8. A focus Ortiz makes a great fight.
9. Ortiz said Manny and Freddie gave him advice and confidence before the Berto fight. They going to lied to his ass this time and tell his to pressure Floyd so he can get his ass beat. Keeping the hope alive.
10. If people was offer Manny $65 to $75 million to anybody. Floyd just might get that $100M purse. I wonder if it's possible.

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Originally Posted by Chino

I find it interesting how everybody gets a heart attack whenever we hear of Floyd facing someone that is not Manny. But have Manny pick fights such as Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, JMM in a weight he has shown to NOT be effective, etc. who are no threats what so ever, and nobody says a thing.

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1. Clottey was one of my favorite Welterweight at the time. Have great defense. And before the Pacman fight, was getting hit by a loaded glove fighting Margarito. I gave Clottey a chance. Good chance.
2. Margarito had something to prove. And although he's slow as a snail, I thought his presuure and a solid chin would give him a chance to hit Manny more then once. Although I wanted Manny to destroy the cheater, I gave him a chance to make it a solid fight.
3.Mosley was suppose to fight back. We all knew Pacman was going to win, but we all also thought Mosley was going to fight at soem point. And we know Mosley can crack. It was suppose to be competitive.
4. JMM? We have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

At the moment I think that this is just here say. I'll believe it when I see it. Theres no point in fighting ortiz or anyone else, he'll win easily. It's no different from pacroid fighting people he knows he'll comfortably beat.

I don't see the point in this fight at all other than to make a little bit of pocket change.

The ONLY rational behind it is some sort of tune up fight to see if he still has 'it'.

He's been out the ring for over 18 months I think, so at least he has that excuse for not being in a competetive fight.

ALSO this fight is only going to amplify accusations from pactards etc that he is 'scared' of pacroid.

Really I don't know why he'd go ahead with this fight. Might as well stay retired.

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Ok I see the phrase "pacroid" so I will take it that you believe that he uses steroids. I am waiting for Floyd Sr and Jr to show us the proof they have that he has or currently does use steroids. Until then I will lump that accusation with the same people who accuse Floyd of being "Gayweather".

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

So The gutless cherry picker may grace the boxing world with another boring PPV, yippeee, I can't wait not to watch it.

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Are you talking about mayweather or pacquiao here? :confused:

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Originally Posted by No Contest

Reading some of you guys posts gives me a headache...doesn't matter what Floyd does your going to find a way to talk shit. Same guys giving Oriz props after the great fight with berto now think he's a gimme fight. It's like floyd says he cant win the fans over no matter what he does.

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It's been said. This is the best available fight for Floyd at or below 147. That is not the same thing as saying that it will be competitive or that it will be challenging for Floyd. Ortiz has little to no chance. Just ask Vegas: they have Floyd a 9-1 (best odds) favorite.

I for one gave Ortiz a lot of props after the fight against Berto. It doesn't mean that Ortiz is great or that we completely forget that Lamont Peterson outboxed him and it doesn't make Ortiz a great fight for Mayweather. However, it also doesn't mean that he wasn't the best available opponent.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

i like this fight. i think its gonna end up like gatti vs mayweather. except, ortiz doesn't have gatti's chin or heart. so that means we'll get a quick brutal early KO...and we won't have to watch ortiz get his ass beat around the ring for 6 rounds like we did gatti. that made me sick.

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You're joking right? Ortiz doesnt need Gatti's heart because he's light years better than him in just about every other area. His chin is sturdy enough and he's shown some cojones in his last fight. He's nearing his prime and with his southpaw style, he's going to put up a fight unlike Gatti who gave Floyd nothing to think about. There wont be any early KO, I know that much.

This is a real fight.

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No recent Floyd fight has ended in an early KO so that won't happen. But, Ortiz will lose every single round and quit at around round 10. How will Victor trouble Floyd at all? I don't get it. What happens when Victor is discouraged after round 4 because he can't hit Floyd?

Sounds like someone needs to get the IRS off his back.

I am a huge fan of Floyd's skill set, but I hate that he skips out on the game so much. I mean it's his life and can do what he wants, I just wish his had more hunger to get in the ring and take on all comers like he did at the lighter weights.

"It's hard to get up and train when you're sleeping on silk sheets"
-Marvin Hagler

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Originally Posted by boxingbantz

Well, I for one and pleased he is back in the ring - and announcing it the day I posted on here how much I missed him.

Love him or hate him, the boxing world is a better place with him in it.

I don't get all the hate for this fight, though. He is fighting the best available opponent, is fighting a big hitting southpaw who nearly always drops his opponents yet people are STILL moaning. After this announcement, I am more confident than ever that the fight we all want to see will happen in May 2012. The fact he has chosen to fight a southpaw who likes to come forward gives me that idea.

I'm 99% sure Sky Sports will be showing it live as well so really looking forward to this fight. As someone else mentioned on here, funny how Floyd is criticized for taking this fight and yet people are alright with some of Pacquiao's recent opponents.

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I don't always like Pacquiao's choices of opponents, but since Mayweather has ducked him for the last 3 + years, who exactly is he suppose to fight that he hasn't?

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Seeing as Victor Ortiz is the champion, I expect Floyd Mayweather to enter the ring first...

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;D Hahaha. oh wow that will be wired! I wonder....

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I'd bet everything I own that Floyd has made it one of his demands for the fight. No way does he come into the ring first after nearly a year and a half out. I'm sure Ortiz will be ok with it, though. He will be happy just to share a ring with Floyd.

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Oh man, thats worse than catchweights imo, the champion should come out last. Ortiz better keep his mentality in check and walk like a champ.

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Or Ortiz could imitate what Hatton did during the Paquiao vs Hatton. He let Pacquiao come out last as a recognition of Pacquiao being the P4P king, even though he (Hatton) was the belt holder. In this case Ortiz may have Mayweather come out last because Mayweather is an "older fighter". But I guess Mayweather will demand the same respect insisting he is still the P4P king.;)