ok Adam, another cool click.
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ok Adam, another cool click.
However I agree with Miles, I cant stand this modern coining of nonsensical vocab and bogus usage.
*sigh* go on then, have one back... :p
thank you, sir :)
You guys have forgotten that I initially refused to call the WBA title holder by name because #1 He ducked out of the fight vs Wlad 2 years ago #2 He ducked out of a fight with Vitali after that #3 He kept on saying he was going to fight "a dangerous fighter" or "a big brand named fighter" and he fought: Monte Barrett, Nicolay Valuev, John Ruiz (mandatory), and Audley Harrison. It should be very telling when John Ruiz is the best heavyweight on your record! But to you Union Jack clad morons apparently those fights just prove how great this guy is :vd:
I refused to mention him by name UNTIL he either gets KO'd or fights a worthy opponent.....oh and what do you know, looks like both are coming up on July 2nd ;D
Its a respect thing and I don't respect what he's brought to the sport. If you talk trash you had better be ready to back it up! Audley fucking Harrison....good lord man, Wlad is just going to slaughter this fool!
I don't really know what your first two paragraphs are in reference to really.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Haye was the one talking about Wlad being 'shook'. It is low level dumb English and spoken in front of an audience. It isn't snobbery to point out that Haye doesn't even know how to speak standard English using correct grammatical forms. Haye was speaking English poorly and in a way that nobody should be using. It was awful.
In the heat of the moment the man had no idea how to use his language. That is the only point I was making. Otherwise I have no idea what you are going on about.
Wlad never strode into such weird unorthodoxies. Maybe it is because he has actually studied the language unlike Haye who gave up at 5 and decided he was quite fluent enough.
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unlike Haye who gave up at 5 and decided he was quite fluent enough.
:-\
You come across as fairly intelligent Miles... But I'm quite disappointed that what I've said has either sailed right over your head or your head is too hard to listen to any of it.
Again, I doubt that Haye's syntax/grammar suffered as a result of anything Wlad did or said, it just isn't up to your high standard and unless Haye is planning on hiding a dictionary in his gloves, that a highly developed grasp of the English language is going to help him much in the ring.
I guess it all comes down to what your priorities are and what you put stock in... The David Haye's of the world are probably happy enough making millions than they would be with having a highly developed grasp of English but they pro ably won't waste their time talking about your lack of physical development or accomplishment either... why would they? It's not something that you've chosen to pursue and vice versa.
Bottom line is that Haye's grammar has fuck all to do with this fight... I can't believe it's being discussed... Ridiculous.
Miles is just giving Haye a good kidney shot.Quote:
Bottom line is that Haye's grammar has fuck all to do with this fight... I can't believe it's being discussed... Ridiculous
Saw the video and not sure in what sense haye was using "shook". if he meant scarred no, if he meant "dam this dudes actually mad and might jump over the table and strangle me" then he might be correct. I think we are all reading way to much into all this junk anyways. we think its a big hwy fight but honestly don't think its any bigger than any of wlads previous bouts. I don't think the average american sports watcher is even aware this is happening, nothing about it on espn or anywhere just hbo advertising it on their other boxing broadcasts.
I am extremely intelligent, but i just be bothered. Haye has awful grammar, the fact that you can't see it speaks volumes. But no it isn't important and I am busy tonight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
It's a basic point about fundamental lingusitics and that fact is that Wlad speaks better English than Haye.
Do we really care about this? I could get into the finer points of language if you really want, but as you realise it doesn't really matter.
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Originally Posted by miles
For fuck's sake Miles, and you wonder why people think you're a middle-class snob :vd:
I'm from near enough the same area as Haye and 'shook' means someone is scared or nervous. In fact, I think if you used that anywhere in London, people would understand what you mean. I've got a lot of views about Haye as a person & know a hell of a lot more things to make me think less of him than damn near anyone on here, but he in no way speaks bad English. He speaks colloquial English quite articulately and for a guy from South-East London uses very little slang, but one word that really shouldn't be that hard to get the meaning of & it's the end of the world.
Has Hatton's much poorer use of the English language ever bothered you Miles?
I'm new to this forum & had no intention of posting a reply, as a big boxing fan i was just happy reading peoples veiws & opinions that was until I got fed up reading the utter dog shit that (el kabong) posts.what a fucking tit! Unplug yourself from klit & start talking sense.
Well let's see who's opinion turns out to be fact come July 2nd.
Michael Grant wasn't ready for Lennox Lewis and this cat ain't ready for Wladimir Klitschko.
When the biggest heavyweight power puncher you've fought is Audley Harrison and the best "boxer" you've fought is John Ruiz and now you're supposed to be ready to take out Wladimir Klitschko?
I'm just floating that out there for you to think about.....not that you will.
I could easily say that the fact that you place so much importance in Haye's grammar and laud your supposed knowledge of the English language over others speaks volumes about you, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI am extremely intelligent, but i just be bothered. Haye has awful grammar, the fact that you can't see it speaks volumes. But no it isn't important and I am busy tonight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
It's a basic point about fundamental linguistics and that fact is that Wlad speaks better English than Haye.
Do we really care about this? I could get into the finer points of language if you really want, but as you realise it doesn't really matter.
But it's not even that I can't see that Haye doesn't speak text book English... I'm just not bothered by it. :rolleyes:
Why would I be?
Miles, if you were extremely intelligent you'd probably realise that this is a boxing forum... not a linguistics forum. I don't really want to debate whether or not basic social skills fall under the same spectrum as what you would define as intellect though, we'll save that for another day.
The fact remains -
The only thing going into the ring next week are each man's boxing skills... their grammar skills will have their feet up watching the fight on TV.
It would be quite interesting to assess the grammar of some of your favorite boxers and see how well they score... actually fuck it... no it wouldn't.
This is a boxing board.
El Kabong, man can you stop referring to Haye as " The opponent " or " WBA titleholder " cuz it's cringe worthy.. You think you're funny and cute with that lame shit but nobody is laughing with you. His name is David Haye and he pretty much smacked the shit out of Wlad, verbally, so deal with it.
Damn Wlad got owned. So funny.. lmao
Oh a VERBAL smack down eh? Well I'm certain that victory will make the soon to be former WBA title holder feel good once he wakes up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
....And I don't really care what anyone else thinks of what I choose to call whoever.
Wlad's english is a ton better than my Russian or German.
Wlad by brutal KO.
I agree, you shouldn't call Haye the "WBA title holder" because Valuev should still be called the WBA HW champion. Why don't you just call the idiot, that pretentious, over-hyped, semi literate, former cruiserweight title holder. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh a VERBAL smack down eh? Well I'm certain that victory will make the soon to be former WBA title holder feel good once he wakes up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
....And I don't really care what anyone else thinks of what I choose to call whoever.
A couple things...
The look on Wlads face... HOOOOOO-LEEEEE SHIAT!!! :o
Haye always tries to be comical and allover the place. I see that as him trying to cover up.
Theres nothing wrong with being scared. Its'a natural thing. If you werent scared I think you wouldnt be human. It's how you handle that once the bell rings that matters most.
Wlad knows that Haye has to come to him. Hayes the one that's boosting. Hayes the one writing check after check. His ass better fucken try because if he remotely shows in the ring that he's backing up and running. Ohhhhh boy.
The big sigh @ 3:49 sounds very familiar usually done when your nervous and just rambling.
How long you been here and you still don't know how to embed a fucken video for fucks sake... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
in all fairness to Haye (and its not easy for me to be fair to him, I admit my negativity here) John Ruiz is a pretty darn good boxer. Even if he was old when Haye fought him, his boxing skills were always pretty solid and he is a durable guy. ASk Golota or Holyfield.Quote:
and the best "boxer" you've fought is John Ruiz and now you're supposed to be ready to take out Wladimir Klitschko?
How Golota "lost" to Ruiz is beyond me....Andrew put him down TWICE! Ruiz should have lost a few more times than he actually has, but thanks to Don King he didn't.
Ruiz is what he is, he's a limited boxer, decent fighter, cagey, and has a tough style....one which he didn't use vs a certain current title holder.
:lol: I sincerely love it when someone has the balls to not back down in the face of pressure from countless others.
It is poor English, if you had to check that in a GCSE test you would have to mark him down, he is clearly uneducated and somewhat simple. But having said that, I agree that many native speakers use poor spoken English, it is one reason why I think teachers need to be qualified rather than just from a specific country. You have too many chav inbreds, spouting grammatical weirdness and it is just insulting to the ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Anyway, the original point I was making was that Wlad speaks very good English and is arguable more articulate and succinct than Amir Khan. Haye can hold a conversation in his own way, but I think it is limited and cringeworthy at times. He makes silly errors with language that make me shudder. Hatton does too for that matter, but less obviously. There is that 'likkle' thing he says which I find quite weird, but on the whole he has a firm grasp of his tenses.
All in all it is no big deal and not a fight breaker. I am looking forward to it.
I guess in the heat of the moment people lose their way with words and perhaps Haye himself was a bit "shook". It happens sometimes, but the way he kept repeating that oddity just bugged me. One time fair enough, but he just kept saying it and I thought "David Haye, that just isn't on". In fact, I found it downright annoying.
There is no reason why working class people cannot learn appropriate grammatical forms. But as I say, it is but a minor quibble. My spelling can become a bit dodgy when not in full control of my faculties.
I'm new to this forum & as a boxing fan I enjoy reading other peoples views & opinions that was until I saw (el kabong's) posts. What a fucking tit! Try unplugging yourself from klit & talking some sense.
i didn't see animosity at all. i saw two men flirting with each other massively!
it starts with the refusal to shake hands. a refusal to touch. haye tries to establish the upper hand, playing hard to get.
then vlad stats to beak down what he sees when he looks at haye... notices how he walks and talks... he comments on haye's "flashy flashy" look and comments specifically on his earrings. he mentions something about medical records...test results maybe...? vlad clearly likes to play safe. he's no fool. he can see haye's wild lifestyle and is weary of std's.
you notice haye starts licking his lips eyes locked on vlad's.
continuing the tease...haye chooses to open by introducing vlad's dickhead like nature to the conversation... mentions something about vlad crawling around on the ground with a shocked like look on his face... something about a man coming for him and how we'll see the gulf between a tremendous little man and good a big man. thats just raw!
then... that crazy stare down... looking at each other. eyes locked. lotsa lip licking. little smiles. you can see the hamsters in their heads spinning: july 2nd, i am gonna bang that dude!
then it happens! at 7:44 haye says it: "you can feel it. oooh... i've got a fucking hard on right now!" crazy!
maybe thats what haye's trainer was talking about when he said we'll never believe what haye's gonna do in the ring.
For sure, I will be surprised if we don't see a little Calzaghe/Hopkins style bumming.
The only thing I care about is that this fight isn't on HBO PPV for Americans but just on regular HBO championship boxing.
I BELIEVE MILES MAY HAVE THE SAME HANGUP I HAVE ABOUT PROPER ENGLISH. IT BUGS THE SHIT OUT OF ME TOO. CAPS WERE NECESSARY HERE. OK, case closed. I agree it has little shit to do with boxing. Muhammad Ali wrote great poems and never went to school.
I don't think you really need to go to school to know how to use your tenses etc, we all learn a language without direct instruction. But to be nearly 30 and saying something that is clearly quite weird is wrong. It also bugs me when you have people from the UK confusing there/their. I understand that we have localised slang language, but that isn't slang, it is simply using a word in an incorrect form. There is just no excuse for such basic errors. It is a sign of societal decay.
Everybody goes to school so there is no excuse for not learning to use language appropriately. I had to do it, you had to do it and David Haye should have done it. He is surrounded by language every day, there is no excuse for not getting it right. Wlad should knock him out and then give him a grammar lesson whilst the referee is counting, it would likely be the same amount of attention that Haye gave whilst at school.
Oooh, I'm such a bitch! :p
Ali was a man that knew how to talk and he didn't make such errors, that is very true. There is no reason for not being able to articulate properly unless you have something like Klinefelter's syndrome or Down's syndrome. David Haye is alright though, on the whole he is entertaining and he is clearly more articulate and smart than someone like Khan, who is quite frankly a serious meat head. He isn't Norman Finkelstein, but he does know how to put together fun catchy sound bites. Haye can probably read complete paragraphs too. Khan's Twitter on the other hand has shown us serious signs that he is in fact completely retarded.
Wlad would beat them all in a spelling test!
Miles, when you're calling somone out on their usage of English shouldn't you make sure you're not commiting errors yourself? I found two errors up there in your quote and I'm not even a native speaker. Hence you get a C- hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by milesIt is poor English, if you had to check that in a GCSE test you would have to mark him down, he is clearly uneducated and somewhat simple. But having said that, I agree that many native speakers use poor spoken English, it is one reason why I think teachers need to be qualified rather than just from a specific country. You have too many chav inbreds, spouting grammatical weirdness and it is just insulting to the ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Anyway, the original point I was making was that Wlad speaks very good English and is arguable more articulate and succinct than Amir Khan. Haye can hold a conversation in his own way, but I think it is limited and cringeworthy at times. He makes silly errors with language that make me shudder. Hatton does too for that matter, but less obviously. There is that 'likkle' thing he says which I find quite weird, but on the whole he has a firm grasp of his tenses.
All in all it is no big deal and not a fight breaker. I am looking forward to it.
Dammit, should have done some proofreading.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminMiles, when you're calling somone out on their usage of English shouldn't you make sure you're not commiting errors yourself? I found two errors up there in your quote and I'm not even a native speaker. Hence you get a C- hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by milesIt is poor English, if you had to check that in a GCSE test you would have to mark him down, he is clearly uneducated and somewhat simple. But having said that, I agree that many native speakers use poor spoken English, it is one reason why I think teachers need to be qualified rather than just from a specific country. You have too many chav inbreds, spouting grammatical weirdness and it is just insulting to the ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Anyway, the original point I was making was that Wlad speaks very good English and is arguable more articulate and succinct than Amir Khan. Haye can hold a conversation in his own way, but I think it is limited and cringeworthy at times. He makes silly errors with language that make me shudder. Hatton does too for that matter, but less obviously. There is that 'likkle' thing he says which I find quite weird, but on the whole he has a firm grasp of his tenses.
All in all it is no big deal and not a fight breaker. I am looking forward to it.
That's the thing with spoken language actually, you can't really erase and start again. Though constantly repeating "he's shook" is hardly the way to go about things. Say it once, correct yourself and move on.
Why am I still going on about this? Stop quoting me people, I want to move onto something else. I am not even that bothered about Haye's spoken English! Aaargh!
I would love to do one of these face offs with Bilbo actually. Master can play Max Kellerman. It would likely have a few gay moments.
Great post.. I haven't read through the thread but I dont know what the fuss is about. Shook, Shaken or whatevers.. who cares, we all make errors..Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Haye strikes me as a well spoken guy from what I've seen. He's quite articulate.