Is Zab Judah an Elite fighter ?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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I was waiting for you to show up, i know how much you love Zab;D

Elite in todayz 140 division? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Elite in todayz 140 division? Yes.

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Who are you???:confused:





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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Zab Judah is the classic example of overrated. He has never won a really meaningful fight. I guess his best win was over Spinks and I'm not sure what that really says. He has never beat the man in his division. Since his foray back into the junior welterweight division, he's beat Mabuza and Matthysse, and the win against Matthysse was questionable, but a win nonetheless.

Is he elite as far as professional boxers all over the world? Certainly. However, is he elite, in the way the a lay person thinks of elite when considering boxing - "top of the game," "a true talent," "a beast," "p4p" etc. - no, he isn't. Is he a good opponent for Khan given Bradley isn't available? Yes, completely. Do I think Zab beats any of the top guys at 140? No. Yet, he has a puncher's chance in the first 5 or so rounds, which will make it somewhat interesting. I'm not a huge Khan fan, but I think Khan dominates this one.

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Spinks was the man in the division when he beat him. You may not rate him but after the fight he was the uinfied, undisputed, lineal and Ring champ.

Zab is a legit threat at 140. He already holds a close win (disputed) over Matthyse, who proved against Alexander that he is certainly one of the top guys in the weight class. There are only two guys in the division I think are better than Zab, Bradley and Khan. I'd give him an excellent chance over Maidana, Alexander, Morales and Kotelnik. He'd get beat by Gurrero or Marquez if they moved up though, although he'd be a better opponent at 140 than Marquez has ever beat above super featherweight and would have a real chance of upsetting him imo.

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No way zab beats maidana he would mentally unravel after he hits maidana with his best shots and maidana keeps comming. maidana ko 9 or 10

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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lol. I did feel like a moron making this thread but it turns out more people think he's elite than i expected.

It all really depends on what "elite" means to you in boxing.

To me, Judah dreams of being elite. :)

If Championship fights were 4 rounds he'd potentially be an all time great! He had the potential to be truly elite and before the Tszyu fight many saw him as the next big thing. Super fast with good power. If he had a better boxing brain, and maybe smarter management he could have been one of the best of his generation.

A grade talent, D grade mind. Not quite elite.

No but he was early 2000 and when he became Welterweight king.

Without doubt... currently at 140.

Judah always had the physical tools to be an elite boxer, but his well-known lack of mental toughness has kept him from realizing that potential. For me, he's probably the best example of a "could-have-been" boxer.

I do find myself rooting for him in the latter stage of his career, primarily because of his involvement with Whitaker. One of my favorite things about this sport is watching someone finally put the pieces together. I doubt that this will be the case here, but it would be great to see Sweet Pea back in the limelight, changing roles.

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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lol. I did feel like a moron making this thread but it turns out more people think he's elite than i expected.

It all really depends on what "elite" means to you in boxing.

To me, Judah dreams of being elite. :)

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Well that's because some people are stupid...
Elite is a special group or to belong to something exclusive.
Now ask yourself is Zab on par with Bradley & Khan?
I think Zab is acontender but he is no way shape or form elite.

To me, the elite is the top of the top at a given time, so the elite from an era to the other can vary in term of quality. Is Zab in the elite actually? I'd tend to say he's close to it but that he's 1-2 significant victories to be considered in it. However, I also think that at some point, he used to be part of it, he slightly drifted but he's not far at all to be back in the club again.... would he win these 1-2 significant fights.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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lol. I did feel like a moron making this thread but it turns out more people think he's elite than i expected.

It all really depends on what "elite" means to you in boxing.

To me, Judah dreams of being elite. :)

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Well that's because some people are stupid...
Elite is a special group or to belong to something exclusive.
Now ask yourself is Zab on par with Bradley & Khan?
I think Zab is acontender but he is no way shape or form elite.

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A special GROUP is exactly what Zab is a member of. Out of 1440 (courtesy of Bilbo) lightwelters, just about everyone considers him top 5. That means he is amongst the very best boxers on the entire planet operating at 140. You can't get much more ELITE than that.

We'll find out if he's on a par with Khan this weekend. If he wins he'll be unquestionably ranked no.2 and own the IBF and WBA titles at the weight. So even by your standards he will be elite. ;)

If you guy look carefully, the ones who share the same sentiments are the top dogs of our Saddo prediction league.. Take the look at the guys on the top such as Fenster, CutemeMick, and myself.... We know what we're talking about and there's no doubt that Zab is an elite.

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He's a top fighter, but not elite. He has lost most of his big fights, but he does have the tools to shock people. He's very good, but probably somewhat past his best. I think he can potentially beat Khan, but he needs to have prepared properly and have a couple of game plans.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

If you guy look carefully, the ones who share the same sentiments are the top dogs of our Saddo prediction league.. Take the look at the guys on the top such as Fenster, CutemeMick, and myself.... We know what we're talking about and there's no doubt that Zab is an elite. :cool:

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You obviously misread Mick's post. :)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Well that's because some people are stupid...
Elite is a special group or to belong to something exclusive.
Now ask yourself is Zab on par with Bradley & Khan?
I think Zab is acontender but he is no way shape or form elite.

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Can I create my own option... Here it is.

[x] This is a joke right?

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lol. I did feel like a moron making this thread but it turns out more people think he's elite than i expected.

It all really depends on what "elite" means to you in boxing.

To me, Judah dreams of being elite. :)

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"Consider how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have in trying to change others"
Is Zab Judah the most capable incapable fighter ever?

I think he was before. But not no more. Except for in his head. The Floyd Mayweather fight was his last as an elite fighter. Against Cotto he was already being viewed as a test. Not someone who could beat him.

He could of been an elite but the spinks and baldomir fights flushed him far away, not to mention the Koysta fight.

My vote is - he is not elite.

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Can I create my own option... Here it is.

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lol. I did feel like a moron making this thread but it turns out more people think he's elite than i expected.

It all really depends on what "elite" means to you in boxing.

To me, Judah dreams of being elite. :)

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"Consider how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have in trying to change others"
Is Zab Judah the most capable incapable fighter ever?

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Now THAT is a great question.

Zab Judah elite..........smh. :rolleyes:

I don't think any version of Zab Judah would beat the current Amir Khan. Judah is just a step below 'Elite' in my understanding of the word.

I think he's an elite fghter. He just happens to be the worst of the elite.

Now all of you who said elite can eat a a dick on my behalf. :)

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I think he's an elite fghter. He just happens to be the worst of the elite.

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:lol:
Fucken Silverback you just made me spit out my water... ;D

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Now all of you who said elite can eat a a dick on my behalf.

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Losing against a fellow elite fighter doesn't mean you're not elite ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Now all of you who said elite can eat a a dick on my behalf.

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Losing against a fellow elite fighter doesn't mean you're not elite ;)

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If it makes you feel better, then ok...

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Now all of you who said elite can eat a a dick on my behalf.

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Losing against a fellow elite fighter doesn't mean you're not elite ;)

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If it makes you feel better, then ok...

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Watch and weep cocksucker. Order has been restored.

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cutmemick 133

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