Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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Bilbo
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Lou DiBella went on record to say that Martinez would have to "kill himself" to make 154 now. I'd be amazed if Martinez could even get himself down to 150, let alone be effective down there.
If Martinez is too big to go down, and is looking for the big fights then why not move up and fight Bute? That guy is crying out for a decent opponent, having to make do to with B listers like Jesse Brinkley and Brian Magee as all the other top guys are tied up in the Super Six.
The reason Martinez is looking for the big fights is because he wants a big pay day. Does Bute offer a bigger pay day than what Martinez could get now at or around where he would normally fit in, which is 154-160? Given what Kessler, Pavlik, and Johnson have said, I doubt it. I imagine Martinez is getting paid high six figures or $1M or there abouts for his HBO fights now and I believe Bute is paying Johnson $500k and offered Pavlik, $1.1M. Going up to fight a bigger guy for the same amount of money doesn't make sense from a financial viewpoint.
In addition, Martinez from when he was 25-30 was a welterweight/junior middleweight. In the next couple of years, he grew into a full junior middleweight, and now at 35, I believe really he is at his best between 154 and 160.
However, he has to get over the idea of fighting Pacquiao because it will never happen. Pacquiao was most hurt after the Margarito fight, which was at 150. I don't see why he would go back up to 150 to face a tougher opponent in Martinez.
I actually think the best fight for Sergio Martinez right now given $ as the main incentive is the winner of the Cotto v. Margarito fight at 154. Big pay day at a division Martinez can fight in. Will Top Rank let that happen? Doubt it.
I just don't see Manny vs Martinez as a viable fight really. Manny is too small to fight a guy of that calibre. Margarito's size was offset by Manny's vastly superior skill set but in Martinez he's fighting a top level fighter and one with a sizeable weight advantage.
Martinez vs Floyd however is a far more legitimate matchup. Floyd has won a legitimate title at 154 lbs and he's been the world's best welter since 2005. A 154lb matchup with Martinez would be a sick fight and Floyd's toughest test to date. But we know he won't take it.
Incidently, Martinez would make much more than Johnson and Pavlik for fighting Bute. He's the undisputed middleweight champion, p4p number 3 in the world. It's a much bigger fight and if some catchweight of say 165 could be arranged, maybe one or even both belts could be on the line. It could be a great fight, with the winner to fight Andre Ward after he wins the Super Six. Of course Papa Hopkins would be all over that too.
But I happen to think Martinez would be as disadvantaged in those fights as Manny would be against him and therefore don't think of them as fair matchups.
Floyd vs Martinez at 154 however. That is a dream fight.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
Yeah the winner of Cotto Margarito would be a very viable matchup as well.
It's a logical plan. Move back down, fight the winner of that to get a belt. Then challenge Floyd with it.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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Yeah the winner of Cotto Margarito would be a very viable matchup as well.
It's a logical plan. Move back down, fight the winner of that to get a belt. Then challenge Floyd with it.
Yep thats the best path for both Floyd & Martinez if neither can get it on with Pac
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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Bilbo
Yeah the winner of Cotto Margarito would be a very viable matchup as well.
It's a logical plan. Move back down, fight the winner of that to get a belt. Then challenge Floyd with it.
Exactly. If Margarito won, I could see it happen, but if Cotto won, I doubt it happens. Then again, with Margarito, you would have a good back story because Margarito beat Sergio in the past.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
160lbs Champ calling out 147 Champ at 150.
175 Champ Bernard Hopkins is older than Martinez
Bernard Hopkins vs Sergio Martinez at 165lbs - Now thats a better fight
Pac UD Martinez at 150 but might not walk again until a week or if ever.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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I understand wanting to fight Floyd and Pacman. But if Martinez can't get neither, why is he not chasing the champions at 154?
Alvarez vs Martinez
K9 vs Martinez
Cotto vs Martinez
Margarito vs Martinez
Trout vs Martinez
And I know JccJr don't want it, call him out!!! Martinez needs to promo himself.
The fight to be made is
Martinez vs Andre Dirrell at 164
The guys at 154 won't fight him. The guys at 160 won't fight him. 168 is a bridge too far. I don't have a problem with him asking for Floyd or Pac to fight him at 150 or so. Both guys have agreed to it previously for fights. But they won't do it for Martinez.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
For as solid a fighter Martinez is he's just trying to get in the mix. I think he's talking through Manny and hoping for Floyd at 154 range. Manny has ok options right now. Just seems more realistic but I dont see Floyd opting for that direction. Sergio is a nice enough guy and tends to drop his hands alot, so ya just never know. Maybe Floyd feels froggy.
I think he starches both Cotto and Margarito...as well as Alvarez who is being guarded like a golden Hen. Hopkins...forget it. I believe in the end Martinez will be forced north to 168.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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For as solid a fighter Martinez is he's just trying to get in the mix. I think he's talking through Manny and hoping for Floyd at 154 range. Manny has ok options right now. Just seems more realistic but I dont see Floyd opting for that direction. Sergio is a nice enough guy and tends to drop his hands alot, so ya just never know.
I think he starches both Cotto and Margarito...as well as Alvarez who is being guarded like a golden Hen. Hopkins...forget it. I believe in the end Martinez will be forced north to 168.
As high on a roll as hop is at the moment I think sergio takes him at 168. I think sergio would do a calzaghe and just push the pace to a level hop can't sustain at this age, altho he showed good workrate against pascal, pascal isn't exactly all that active.
Be interested as to what Martinez brings to table for incentive to a Hopkins who will be soaring at 2nd peak, assuming he beats Dawson to draw him down to 168? Martinez should shoot straight to 168 if he cannot wait out Floyd-Pac and try to secure a trinket & make a statement. Hopkins vies for 3 division champ thing but more likely goes to cruiser the way he's talking?
Style and ability wise Martinez gives anyone and everyone problems right now. He's pure talent on a mass peak and pleasure to watch......but I'll take hopkins if or when ;D
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
Pac or Floyd would have no problem defeating Martinez. There just a class above the rest.
The only people I would give a slither of a chance of beating Mayeather or Pac is either Khan or Bradley and that would still be a stupidly tall order.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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Pac or Floyd would have no problem defeating Martinez. There just a class above the rest.
The only people I would give a slither of a chance of beating Mayeather or Pac is either Khan or Bradley and that would still be a stupidly tall order.
Wtf have you been smoking? You give Khan and Bradley a better chance than Martinez in beating Mayweather and Pac. lmao!! Comedy gold right there!
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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Pac or Floyd would have no problem defeating Martinez. There just a class above the rest.
The only people I would give a slither of a chance of beating Mayeather or Pac is either Khan or Bradley and that would still be a stupidly tall order.
I see that you're still in the breast feeding stage of Boxing but Khan aint gonna do shit.. lol.. He aint got a snowball's chance in hell against neither of these men, it's that simple.. Both kahn and Bradley.. They are better off just facing each other.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
Coming down in weight definitely robs one of his strength and I see no reason for Martinez to drain his system to come down to Meet PAC. PAC hasn't the right to have anyone that is a welterweight to come in at 142 either if that is what he's thinking. The policy is as far as I am concerned that if we are fighting for a title then the weight limit of the title should be the weight of the weigh-in. If you don't have a title involved then don't drain someone to even the odds because you in essence are screwing with nature and your win doesn't count in my book. Eating a couple of extra meals won't kill Manny. Martinez can pass on the flan for a few weeks but to lose 13 pounds and some solid muscle only keeps the ball in Manny's side of the court. How fair is that? Even if it is one fight, Martinez would not be the awesome fighter at 147 than he has been lately at160. All that work if he loses goes down the tubes and I ask you in the forum that box where did your power and energy go? Martinez should know better than to trade his advantage in unless he knows something we don't.
Re: Sergio Martinez: " Ill fight Pacquiao at 150 "
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Pac or Floyd would have no problem defeating Martinez. There just a class above the rest.
The only people I would give a slither of a chance of beating Mayeather or Pac is either Khan or Bradley and that would still be a stupidly tall order.
I see that you're still in the breast feeding stage of Boxing but Khan aint gonna do shit.. lol.. He aint got a snowball's chance in hell against neither of these men, it's that simple.. Both kahn and Bradley.. They are better off just facing each other.
Khan should be fighting Bradley but thats another fight thats not happening. Bradley deserves a shot at Pac and Floyd because he is undefeated and at the top of the devision below. Khan is also at the top of the devision below them and he has great speed and fitness. They both have a better chance of beating Floyd/Pac than anyone else in the surrounding devisions.
Light welterweight, Maidana, Devon Alexander, no chance.
Welterweight, Mosley, Berto, Ortiz, no chance.
Light middleweight, Cotto, Angulo, Alvarez, no chance.
As far as Martinez goes I dont think he has the speed. He is a good fighter but I dont see where mayweather or Pac would have a problem with him.
Only seen a couple of Martinezes fights. Not trying to be smug here I am just wondering in what areas do you think Martinez can match Floyd/Pac in. Is he as fast as them, does he have an elusive technique etc. Please reply and give me your views with any fights of his I should watch that show his Skills the best in the ring.
