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I think you saying he's given no reason to show he is on the slide is a lot more ridiculous. Or to state that Cotto clearly beats Marquez because of his boxing skills, when the only common opponent they've shared knocked Miguel out and lost to Marquez. How does his having a strap now serve as evidence of his prime as opposed to how he looked in the fights? Have you gone blind from typing so much:p? Miguel approaches every single second in the ring differently since Margarito beat him imo, to say he merely lost the two fights he did is silly. They were brutal beatings that clearly rattled his confidence. To me his legs don't look nearly as good as they used to either but I'm not going to preach that as I don't think it would've ever been enough. He had to muster every ounce of skill to scrape by Clottey, yet to you it's a dead cert that his skills would see him past Ortiz and Marquez, when a beat down Mayorga gave him a lot to think about. He didn't even look good against Yuri Foreman if you ask me. Also, I meant that I consider him the least dangerous to Floyd before the fight not in hindsight, which should be fairly obvious. Lots of people were confident that Mosley and Marquez were live dogs at the time, this is no different to me.
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Floyd is firm favourite but Cotto may win some rounds early. Normally Floyd adjusts his style if it is not working and I can see his fast right hands countering the left hook and jab of Cotto. Also Floyd will use his uppercut.
Miguel has to feint and set traps for Floyd to fall into. Cotto needs to have a high tempo to the fight, punches in bunches and come at angles, body and head and use his experience at the weight. He needs to fight smarter not harder. Win a round at a time. I really hope he pulls this out the bag and wins enough rounds to get the decision.
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Styles make fights and Cotto's style would be good vs Marquez and great vs Ortiz and it should cause Floyd trouble. Pac fought a weight drained trainerless Cotto and Miguel still went far in the fight. Clottey is a very durable fighter, similar to Margarito in his ability to take a punch. Given that Cotto was hurting himself to make 147 & had just 1 fight between Clottey and the Margarito match sure he looked bad and it's understandable, but he won the fight. How many rounds did Cotto lose to Yuri? 2-3 if that much? He stopped him didn't he?
I'm not certain Cotto will beat Floyd, I do expect him to give Floyd trouble though at least for the first half of the fight, and I say that because Cotto is diverse and Floyd is a great problem solver in the ring and so it may take time for Cotto to use up his tricks and Floyd to counter them.
I AM however certain Cotto would destroy Ortiz, there's 0 doubt in my mind he would. Vic has never fought at 154, he faltered vs Maidana and drew vs Petterson and I'm sorry Miguel Cotto is hands down better than those guys.
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I think Cotto vs Marquez would be an absolute war, neither of those guys styles are "good" against the other imo. Cotto is indeed a damn fine boxer but I really doubt he is smart or cagey enough to keep Marquez on the outside all night, there would be fireworks. Clottey also had alot more going for him than being durable against Cotto, that was tit for tat the whole way through until he predictably finished terribly. I think Yuri Foreman kind of sucks so that ones a moot point;D. Fact is, Cotto hasn't fought nearly the kind of opponent he was faced with before and during the first Margarito fight, and Floyd is a hell of a step up from anyone in the sport right now around the weight. I just don't see where he draws any real game plan from with the way he has been fighting since his defeats. Trying to do ANYTHING off the backfoot will have him taking a real beating imo.
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Using your rational on how Cotto did vs Pac who fought JMM who got torn up by PBF....PBF fought tooth & nail vs Judah who got punished and stopped by Cotto. Cotto has always been called slow, his hands were slower than Shane's and slower than Zab's and Cotto still won both of those fights pretty handily.
I respect Floyd for taking this fight, it's far tougher for him than Victor Ortiz....where the hell did that fight come from? Jesus!
As far as what Cotto does after this fight win or lose I figure he'll go after big money fights because he's a fan favorite. I hope Berto or Ortiz move up and fight him I think those would be great fights.
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I wasn't trying to say anything about the styles really and I agree with all that. It's simply the only opponent they do share and I think it counts for something that Cotto was stopped wheras Marquez went 36 rounds when you are talking about skills.
At his peak I agree Cotto wouldve beaten Marquez, I'd only have him a slight favourite if that had come off today say at welter though. Could be wrong about Cotto but it's just my feeling, I look at how crap Margarito and Mayorga were for the most part and yet he still doesn't nearly let punches go the way he used to. Floyd might just really have a showcase fight here imo:cool:.
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Certainly on paper the fight has the potential to be thrilling, but I feel Floyd shows his class & begins to break Cotto down, I can even see Floyd stopping Cotto late
Cotto needs to come out fast, pump that jab, double it. Cotto’s got underrated footwork. That hook will be dangerous to Floyd. Bodywork.
But if he doesn’t get him early I think Floyd takes over!
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Every person that's on Floyd's nuts right now doesn't seem to realize his cherry picking ways. Ortiz, Marquez, and Mosley weren't the best fighters in the world when Mayweather fought them. Cotto is Floyd's best competition since Hatton, at the very least.
Give me those three opponents over a way past it margarito and mayorga and over a b level yuri foreman...so floyd will be far above the level of fighters cotto has fought recently, don't think the reverse is true.
A good fight with Pac > A win against any guy Floyd's beaten since Hatton. ;D
I also wasn't comparing the level of competition between Floyd and Cotto. I was saying that Floyd hasn't been fighting top level opponents, and Cotto IS a top level opponent.
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Cotto beating Margarito was about nothing else other than exorcising the demons. What that would have done for Cotto mentally is priceless.
Mayweather has faced good guys lately. Marquez is an absolute warrior but he was too small, his heart and skills were not going to make up that disadvantage. Mosley is a name, but was there to last the distance. Ortiz was a good live opponent but he fucked things for himself before the fight really got started.
Cotto's fights have been confidence builders, Mayweathers have been money makers.
It's hard to predict this fight really as we don't know if Cotto has much left. Also Mayweather fights so infrequently and he is at an age where the activity can creep up on him.
We can't deny that on paper it is a very good fight.
Absolutely spot on, mate. :)
Shane had beaten marg in his fight prior to floyd, ortiz beat berto I don't see how they weren't top level??? Marquez is top level as well but was to small...I'm not sure this version of cotto is better than the shane or ortiz floyd fought. I guess I just have far less faith in cotto than most on here it seems
Shane was still shot. Margarito's golden wraps were taken, of course he wasn't going to win the fight. Marquez was top level, but he wasn't good for the weight. He hadn't taken the proper time to go up to the weight like he did in his last fight with Manny. Ortiz is crap. Plain crap. The only victory that gives him any light is the one against Berto. Berto sucks, too. The both of them collectively suck at boxing. But the point stands. In his entire career, Ortiz had ONE notable victory. ONE. Don't even try to tell me that he was top level.
Also, Cotto was not weight drained for the Pac fight, fellas. He was one pound lighter. One pound. In the fight before Manny, he was at 146, and against Manny he weighed 145. There should be a minimum two pound weight loss before we should even halfheartedly joke that somebody is weight drained.
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Every person that's on Floyd's nuts right now doesn't seem to realize his cherry picking ways. far above the level of fighters cotto has fought recently, don't think the
Shane was still shot. Margarito's golden wraps were taken, of course he wasn't going to win the fight. Marquez was top level, but he wasn't good for the weight. He hadn't taken the proper time to go up to the weight like he did in his last fight with Manny. Ortiz is crap. Plain crap. The only victory that gives him any light is the one against Berto. Berto sucks, too. The both of them collectively suck at boxing. But the point stands. In his entire career, Ortiz had ONE notable victory. ONE. Don't even try to tell me that he was top level.
Also, Cotto was not weight drained for the Pac fight, fellas. He was one pound lighter. One pound. In the fight before Manny, he was at 146, and against Manny he weighed 145. There should be a minimum two pound weight loss before we should even halfheartedly joke that somebody is weight drained.
You know what collectively sucks? Your posting coupled with your mates fighting each other on youtube in some caravan site..For some reason..like many on this site, you're totally and irrationally butthurt about Floyd.
I agree with Lyle here. How the furk is Cotto anywhere near shot or damaged goods? I haven't seen him slip..I've seen his style change for sure. He's on his toes a lot more but that's a great adjustment on his part, no? Better defense. Sure he doesn't work the body as hard but the dude can box and box well! I don't give a shit what people say about the Pacquiao fight either because if Cotto was such easy pickings why did Pacquiao want to drain him again at 145 for the rematch?? And if it wasn't a problem for Cotto why did Cotto refuse this time round? He clearly DOESN'T feel comfy at 145 regardless of what you, as fans might say.
Two things piss me off about this thread. Boxing fans disrespect about Cotto and once again the hindsight that Shane was "shot" and that his win over "Margarito" was a given. Gtfo of here!! How many of you picked him to win? "Oh Margaritos head wasn't in it"...sure whatever you say.
These are the same cry babies that said "Omg Floyd MUST MUST MUST fight Shane!! He's scared..he's duckin n dodging him!!"......Then he signs up to fight him.."Oh erm..respect I guess. Didnt think Floyd would step up"
Of course he does a number on him and Shane got old "Mid fight"??? Never heard that one before??
If you could hear yourselves you'd slap yourself in the face for being so retarded.
You guys are the biggest Floyd fans of all if you think this fight is gonna be a stroll in the park for him. You guys obviously rate him highly!
If it does end up being a stroll for him, then damn...he's good. Straight up.
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Good post Althugz, but I still disagree about Cotto and you sort of reinforce my feeling there. Changing his style may serve him well against almost anyone except Mayweather, but Floyd is the one guy around his weight who clearly surpasses his skills. He can't be on his toes boxing in this one if he wants to win any rounds, his defence is nowhere near that good. I think his chance would be coming forward and investing heavily in the body like he used to, and I have a feeling he can't do that anymore as evidenced in his last couple of fights. Floyd wouldn't be hitting him like Manny or Margarito did but he will still rake him with uppercuts in the pocket and use his elbows as always. I imagine Cotto will start out strong but be broken down and eventually take a beating.
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Good post Althugz, but I still disagree about Cotto and you sort of reinforce my feeling there. Changing his style may serve him well against almost anyone except Mayweather, but Floyd is the one guy around his weight who clearly surpasses his skills. He can't be on his toes boxing in this one if he wants to win any rounds, his defence is nowhere near that good. I think his chance would be coming forward and investing heavily in the body like he used to, and I have a feeling he can't do that anymore as evidenced in his last couple of fights. Floyd wouldn't be hitting him like Manny or Margarito did but he will still rake him with uppercuts in the pocket and use his elbows as always. I imagine Cotto will start out strong but be broken down and eventually take a beating.
That's the way I see it going
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'Been watching the 24/7 series. Hmm.. I think Cotto is already on the other side of the hill. I used to think he's got a shot of winning this. But not anymore. :mad::(
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Good post Althugz, but I still disagree about Cotto and you sort of reinforce my feeling there. Changing his style may serve him well against almost anyone except Mayweather, but Floyd is the one guy around his weight who clearly surpasses his skills. He can't be on his toes boxing in this one if he wants to win any rounds, his defence is nowhere near that good. I think his chance would be coming forward and investing heavily in the body like he used to, and I have a feeling he can't do that anymore as evidenced in his last couple of fights. Floyd wouldn't be hitting him like Manny or Margarito did but he will still rake him with uppercuts in the pocket and use his elbows as always. I imagine Cotto will start out strong but be broken down and eventually take a beating.
Definitely agree his new style doesn't agree with Mayweathers style..nobody is gonna outbox Mayweather. But then nobody has beaten him on the inside either. Jesus Chavez got destroyed inside as did Ricky Hatton. The Castillo thing is blown way out of proportion because Floyd had a torn shoulder. He coasted the rematch and the first 5-6 rounds of the first fight. I think Cotto knows this and is much smarter than the aforementioned fighters. He's also a better boxer inside and out than those fighters which makes him dangerous. Just because he "hasn't" used his inside game for a while doesn't mean that he can't or won't against Floyd. I think he knows he has to include it if he's to beat FLoyd..but he's certainly not damaged goods because he chooses to fight more smartly against certain fighters.
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Also for the record P4p, I do see Mayweather winning this fight by eventual stoppage. So again, we're in agreement there.That doesn't make him any less of a credible opponent is all I'm saying. I see Floyd stopping Pac too if they eventually get it going.
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Oh for sure he's a credible opponent. I really like Miguel and do feel he has as much chance as Pacquiao to beat Floyd. NONE;D I think it's pretty safe to say all 3 men aren't getting any better, it's just that with Cotto or Manny losing just an inch could be the difference between a competitive fight and a Mayweather clinic. Floyd doesn't need his legs the way the other 2 would against him due to being so much more sound technically.
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It's tough not to like Cotto. He's the epitomy of a likeable fighter. He's had a great career, borderline Hall of Fame. He's a proven warrior. He's a gentemen outside the ring. Heck, as evidence, I've never seen Floyd so complimentary toward an opponent before a fight.
However, let's be honest with ourselves, Cotto has zero chance of winning this fight. What follows are the reasons.
(1) Cotto doesn't have a single physical advantage over Floyd: (i) he's not faster; (ii) he's not fresher; and (iii) he's not bigger.
(2) The current Cotto doesn't present any stylistic problems for Floyd. He not a bigger, pressure fighter, which just based on styles, should be the toughest style for Floyd. The new Cotto boxes more, but he's not a better boxer than Floyd.
(3) Cotto is ill-prepared for the fight because he has never faced elite competition at 154 and he's been relatively inactive the last couple of years. The theory that the promoters are pumping out that Cotto will be tough beacause the fight is at 154 is smoke and mirrors at its finest. Actions speak louder than words. Cotto has showed us nothing to make us believe that he is more effective at 154. Cotto hasn't had one challenging fight on paper, at any weight class, since he lost to Pacquiao. In a relatively decent division, he hasn't faced one top ten junior middleweight. It's remarkable really that the Ring Magazine has ranked him that high for a win over Yuri Foreman. This is just my theory, but I believe Cotto isn't fighting at 147 any longer because he's a veteran that doesn't want to deal with cutting weight. Frankly, there are a number of guys, besides Floyd and Manny, between 147 and 160 that would probably beat Cotto right now. To my untrained eye, Cotto hasn't been the same since Margarito I. That doesn't equate to saying Cotto isn't still a very good fighter, because he is, but he's no longer a p4p level fighter.
(4) Mayweather is the best p4p fighter in the world.
Where does all that leave us? Cotto, who is on a downward trajectory and hasn't faced an elite fighter since Pacqauio, facing the best fighter in the entire world. It's not a recipe for success if you're a Cotto fan. There's just no other way to look at it.
Expect Mayweather to dominate Cotto from round 2 onward. In addition, because Cotto fades in the later rounds of fights, a good bet would be a late round technical knockout, maybe his corner throwing in the towel after Cotto has lost most of the rounds.
Note that in no way is this post meant as a slight on Cotto. He's a terrific boxer who has had an exemplary career.
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Also for the record P4p, I do see Mayweather winning this fight by eventual stoppage. So again, we're in agreement there.That doesn't make him any less of a credible opponent is all I'm saying. I see Floyd stopping Pac too if they eventually get it going.
Cotto is a credible opponent for anyone at or around 147-160. He's a borderline hall of fame boxer. He's got a good mix of talent and skills and he's a warrior. However, what makes his attractive as an opponent for Mayweather has nothing to do with his skills and all to do with his name and the money he brings to the table. I think there are several fighters at or around that weight that beat Cotto.
Like I said in another post, I don't believe Cotto has been the same since Margarito I. He seems fragile. In addition, I don't think he's any better at 154 than he was 147. I actually think at 154 he's probably more beatable because of his size. He's too small for a big junior middleweight.
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I mean there are some positives in the current Cotto; he didn't fade against Margarito, he has a nice arsenal of punches, including a very nice jab. On top of that, he's more comfortable moving and engaging more selectively and still isn't exactly slow.
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It's tough not to like Cotto. He's the epitomy of a likeable fighter. He's had a great career, borderline Hall of Fame. He's a proven warrior. He's a gentemen outside the ring. Heck, as evidence, I've never seen Floyd so complimentary toward an opponent before a fight.
However, let's be honest with ourselves, Cotto has zero chance of winning this fight. What follows are the reasons.
(1) Cotto doesn't have a single physical advantage over Floyd: (i) he's not faster; (ii) he's not fresher; and (iii) he's not bigger. Correct on all counts.
(2) The current Cotto doesn't present any stylistic problems for Floyd. He not a bigger, pressure fighter, which just based on styles, should be the toughest style for Floyd. The new Cotto boxes more, but he's not a better boxer than Floyd. Again... no issues here.
(3) Cotto is ill-prepared for the fight because he has never faced elite competition at 154 and he's been relatively inactive the last couple of years. The theory that the promoters are pumping out that Cotto will be tough beacause the fight is at 154 is smoke and mirrors at its finest. Actions speak louder than words. Cotto has showed us nothing to make us believe that he is more effective at 154. Cotto hasn't had one challenging fight on paper, at any weight class, since he lost to Pacquiao. In a relatively decent division, he hasn't faced one top ten junior middleweight. It's remarkable really that the Ring Magazine has ranked him that high for a win over Yuri Foreman. This is just my theory, but I believe Cotto isn't fighting at 147 any longer because he's a veteran that doesn't want to deal with cutting weight. Frankly, there are a number of guys, besides Floyd and Manny, between 147 and 160 that would probably beat Cotto right now. To my untrained eye, Cotto hasn't been the same since Margarito I. That doesn't equate to saying Cotto isn't still a very good fighter, because he is, but he's no longer a p4p level fighter. Not sure whether I agree with all of this. See my comments below.
(4) Mayweather is the best p4p fighter in the world.
Where does all that leave us? Cotto, who is on a downward trajectory and hasn't faced an elite fighter since Pacqauio, facing the best fighter in the entire world. It's not a recipe for success if you're a Cotto fan. There's just no other way to look at it.
Expect Mayweather to dominate Cotto from round 2 onward. In addition, because Cotto fades in the later rounds of fights, a good bet would be a late round technical knockout, maybe his corner throwing in the towel after Cotto has lost most of the rounds.
Note that in no way is this post meant as a slight on Cotto. He's a terrific boxer who has had an exemplary career.
Well thought out post and some excellent points, Rant. However, there are some things you've omitted. See my imbedded comments above, and some additional ones below.
1. I agree that Cotto's best weight is 147. His height and frame are best suited for that division. He's done acceptably well at 154, but 147 is his natural weight. However, Floyd himself comes from the lower divisions. So he is by no means the naturally larger man himself. Powerwise, I think Cotto has the edge.
2. Cotto lost to a cheating Margarito, and was beaten by Pacquaio after abandoning his fight plan early in the fight and going toe-to-toe with the faster Pac. The latter was completely the product of Cotto having a nobody in his corner. He had feuded with his uncle, Evangelista, and had hooked up with Joe Santiago, who had nothing to offer to Miguel. Nothing. Had he had the corner he has now, with Cuban trainer Pedro Diaz, it might have been a whole 'nother story.
3. With Diaz in his corner, Cotto has shown the remarkable ability to reinvent himself. To go back to his boxing and ring generalship roots, when he used to dismantle his opponents with a mixture of hooks to the body, good movement, and power shots inside. He did just that against the much bigger Margarito in their rematch.
So while none of this obviously necessarily translates into a Cotto victory, it does mean he has a better chance than most people give him against Mayweather.
The only other disagreement I have is your HOF assessment. Lots of less worthy fighters have been picked for the HOF. Cotto, in my opinion, is a shoo-in.
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For the record, I happen to think Cotto could've beaten Pacquiao had he had Pedro Diaz in his corner like he had for Margarito II. Even without a corner, Cotto was snapping Manny's head back with an excellent jab early in the fight. With a good fight plan, Cotto had a better than average chance to pull off the upset. But... that's water under the bridge. Mayweather, I'll admit, is a more difficult style matchup for Cotto than Pacquiao is. Too bad Pac-Cotto II didn't happen.
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He isn't more comfortable moving than he used to be per say, merely less comfortable exchanging punches imo. Cotto always had tremendous skills when he wanted to use them. Does anyone really think that if Margarito was the same fighter who beat Miguel, he would've been kept at bay completely like that in the rematch? Whether he used loaded wraps or not in the first fight, Margarito had dick all left and it was a great chance for Cotto to look good. Now I understand why Cotto was safety first in that fight of course. He had real reason to be wary and he deserves a lot of credit for not letting Tony lay hands on him. I just don't think it was in any way a good preparation for this one. As Rant said, Miguel hasn't fought anyone with a modicum of real skills since Pacquiao and may have a false sense that he can be successful boxing here. I expect him to get completely lost after the opening rounds without a plan C.
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It's tough not to like Cotto. He's the epitomy of a likeable fighter. He's had a great career, borderline Hall of Fame. He's a proven warrior. He's a gentemen outside the ring. Heck, as evidence, I've never seen Floyd so complimentary toward an opponent before a fight.
However, let's be honest with ourselves, Cotto has zero chance of winning this fight. What follows are the reasons.
(1) Cotto doesn't have a single physical advantage over Floyd: (i) he's not faster; (ii) he's not fresher; and (iii) he's not bigger. Correct on all counts.
(2) The current Cotto doesn't present any stylistic problems for Floyd. He not a bigger, pressure fighter, which just based on styles, should be the toughest style for Floyd. The new Cotto boxes more, but he's not a better boxer than Floyd. Again... no issues here.
(3) Cotto is ill-prepared for the fight because he has never faced elite competition at 154 and he's been relatively inactive the last couple of years. The theory that the promoters are pumping out that Cotto will be tough beacause the fight is at 154 is smoke and mirrors at its finest. Actions speak louder than words. Cotto has showed us nothing to make us believe that he is more effective at 154. Cotto hasn't had one challenging fight on paper, at any weight class, since he lost to Pacquiao. In a relatively decent division, he hasn't faced one top ten junior middleweight. It's remarkable really that the Ring Magazine has ranked him that high for a win over Yuri Foreman. This is just my theory, but I believe Cotto isn't fighting at 147 any longer because he's a veteran that doesn't want to deal with cutting weight. Frankly, there are a number of guys, besides Floyd and Manny, between 147 and 160 that would probably beat Cotto right now. To my untrained eye, Cotto hasn't been the same since Margarito I. That doesn't equate to saying Cotto isn't still a very good fighter, because he is, but he's no longer a p4p level fighter. Not sure whether I agree with all of this. See my comments below.
(4) Mayweather is the best p4p fighter in the world.
Where does all that leave us? Cotto, who is on a downward trajectory and hasn't faced an elite fighter since Pacqauio, facing the best fighter in the entire world. It's not a recipe for success if you're a Cotto fan. There's just no other way to look at it.
Expect Mayweather to dominate Cotto from round 2 onward. In addition, because Cotto fades in the later rounds of fights, a good bet would be a late round technical knockout, maybe his corner throwing in the towel after Cotto has lost most of the rounds.
Note that in no way is this post meant as a slight on Cotto. He's a terrific boxer who has had an exemplary career.
Well thought out post and some excellent points, Rant. However, there are some things you've omitted. See my imbedded comments above, and some additional ones below.
1. I agree that Cotto's best weight is 147. His height and frame are best suited for that division. He's done acceptably well at 154, but 147 is his natural weight. However, Floyd himself comes from the lower divisions. So he is by no means the naturally larger man himself. Powerwise, I think Cotto has the edge.
2. Cotto lost to a cheating Margarito, and was beaten by Pacquaio after abandoning his fight plan early in the fight and going toe-to-toe with the faster Pac. The latter was completely the product of Cotto having a nobody in his corner. He had feuded with his uncle, Evangelista, and had hooked up with Joe Santiago, who had nothing to offer to Miguel. Nothing. Had he had the corner he has now, with Cuban trainer Pedro Diaz, it might have been a whole 'nother story.
3. With Diaz in his corner, Cotto has shown the remarkable ability to reinvent himself. To go back to his boxing and ring generalship roots, when he used to dismantle his opponents with a mixture of hooks to the body, good movement, and power shots inside. He did just that against the much bigger Margarito in their rematch.
So while none of this obviously necessarily translates into a Cotto victory, it does mean he has a better chance than most people give him against Mayweather.
The only other disagreement I have is your HOF assessment. Lots of less worthy fighters have been picked for the HOF. Cotto, in my opinion, is a shoo-in.
Thanks for the kind words, Tito.
Diaz looks a great coach for Cotto, but it's one thing to implement a plan against Margarito, it's quite another to implement a plan against Mayweather. Also, for the record, even in the Margarito fight, he appeared to be fading toward the end. I'm not sure if Diaz can fix that type of problem.
As to the weight class issue, I actually think Floyd may be more effective at his age at 150 than he would be at 147, at least I don't believe it'll negatively affect him.
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It's tough not to like Cotto. He's the epitomy of a likeable fighter. He's had a great career, borderline Hall of Fame. He's a proven warrior. He's a gentemen outside the ring. Heck, as evidence, I've never seen Floyd so complimentary toward an opponent before a fight.
However, let's be honest with ourselves, Cotto has zero chance of winning this fight. What follows are the reasons.
(1) Cotto doesn't have a single physical advantage over Floyd: (i) he's not faster; (ii) he's not fresher; and (iii) he's not bigger. Correct on all counts.
(2) The current Cotto doesn't present any stylistic problems for Floyd. He not a bigger, pressure fighter, which just based on styles, should be the toughest style for Floyd. The new Cotto boxes more, but he's not a better boxer than Floyd. Again... no issues here.
(3) Cotto is ill-prepared for the fight because he has never faced elite competition at 154 and he's been relatively inactive the last couple of years. The theory that the promoters are pumping out that Cotto will be tough beacause the fight is at 154 is smoke and mirrors at its finest. Actions speak louder than words. Cotto has showed us nothing to make us believe that he is more effective at 154. Cotto hasn't had one challenging fight on paper, at any weight class, since he lost to Pacquiao. In a relatively decent division, he hasn't faced one top ten junior middleweight. It's remarkable really that the Ring Magazine has ranked him that high for a win over Yuri Foreman. This is just my theory, but I believe Cotto isn't fighting at 147 any longer because he's a veteran that doesn't want to deal with cutting weight. Frankly, there are a number of guys, besides Floyd and Manny, between 147 and 160 that would probably beat Cotto right now. To my untrained eye, Cotto hasn't been the same since Margarito I. That doesn't equate to saying Cotto isn't still a very good fighter, because he is, but he's no longer a p4p level fighter. Not sure whether I agree with all of this. See my comments below.
(4) Mayweather is the best p4p fighter in the world.
Where does all that leave us? Cotto, who is on a downward trajectory and hasn't faced an elite fighter since Pacqauio, facing the best fighter in the entire world. It's not a recipe for success if you're a Cotto fan. There's just no other way to look at it.
Expect Mayweather to dominate Cotto from round 2 onward. In addition, because Cotto fades in the later rounds of fights, a good bet would be a late round technical knockout, maybe his corner throwing in the towel after Cotto has lost most of the rounds.
Note that in no way is this post meant as a slight on Cotto. He's a terrific boxer who has had an exemplary career.
Well thought out post and some excellent points, Rant. However, there are some things you've omitted. See my imbedded comments above, and some additional ones below.
1. I agree that Cotto's best weight is 147. His height and frame are best suited for that division. He's done acceptably well at 154, but 147 is his natural weight. However, Floyd himself comes from the lower divisions. So he is by no means the naturally larger man himself. Powerwise, I think Cotto has the edge.
2. Cotto lost to a cheating Margarito, and was beaten by Pacquaio after abandoning his fight plan early in the fight and going toe-to-toe with the faster Pac. The latter was completely the product of Cotto having a nobody in his corner. He had feuded with his uncle, Evangelista, and had hooked up with Joe Santiago, who had nothing to offer to Miguel. Nothing. Had he had the corner he has now, with Cuban trainer Pedro Diaz, it might have been a whole 'nother story.
3. With Diaz in his corner, Cotto has shown the remarkable ability to reinvent himself. To go back to his boxing and ring generalship roots, when he used to dismantle his opponents with a mixture of hooks to the body, good movement, and power shots inside. He did just that against the much bigger Margarito in their rematch.
So while none of this obviously necessarily translates into a Cotto victory, it does mean he has a better chance than most people give him against Mayweather.
The only other disagreement I have is your HOF assessment. Lots of less worthy fighters have been picked for the HOF. Cotto, in my opinion, is a shoo-in.
Thanks for the kind words, Tito.
Diaz looks a great coach for Cotto, but it's one thing to implement a plan against Margarito, it's quite another to implement a plan against Mayweather. Also, for the record, even in the Margarito fight, he appeared to be fading toward the end. I'm not sure if Diaz can fix that type of problem.
As to the weight class issue, I actually think Floyd may be more effective at his age at 150 than he would be at 147, at least I don't believe it'll negatively affect him.
I don't know. Maybe I'm putting too much stock into the Diaz issue. But fact is... Cotto was trained by his uncle until they began feuding. From there, Cotto went with a nobody. Why the hell he did that... nobody knows. Only that Cotto wanted to call his own shots. A big mistake. Pedro Diaz was an excellent boxing trainer with the amateur Cuban team. He has unorthodox training techniques, and.... he makes it clear WHO is the boss in the preparation. I think it's something Cotto sorely needed. I'm pretty sure he (Diaz) must've addressed the stamina issues. Again... I don't know. Mayweather is a steeper hill to climb than a rematch with Pacquiao would've been. But you never know. I guess we'll find out on May 5th.
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Also for the record P4p, I do see Mayweather winning this fight by eventual stoppage. So again, we're in agreement there.That doesn't make him any less of a credible opponent is all I'm saying. I see Floyd stopping Pac too if they eventually get it going.
Cotto is a credible opponent for anyone at or around 147-160. He's a borderline hall of fame boxer. He's got a good mix of talent and skills and he's a warrior. However, what makes his attractive as an opponent for Mayweather has nothing to do with his skills and all to do with his name and the money he brings to the table. I think there are several fighters at or around that weight that beat Cotto.
Like I said in another post, I don't believe Cotto has been the same since Margarito I. He seems fragile. In addition, I don't think he's any better at 154 than he was 147. I actually think at 154 he's probably more beatable because of his size. He's too small for a big junior middleweight.
Well the only challenge for Floyd at this point that might make him even remotely uncomfortable is Martinez at 160. I actually have a funny feeling he might go that route next. Roger hinted at it.
But beyond Pacquiao I cant think of a better fight at the moment than Cotto vs Floyd. His last fight he gave the young up and comer a shot at his throne and now he's giving it to a credible champion. I see nothing wrong with his opponent selection. (apart from the pathetic excuses both he and Pacquiao come up with for not getting it on but hey)
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Also for the record P4p, I do see Mayweather winning this fight by eventual stoppage. So again, we're in agreement there.That doesn't make him any less of a credible opponent is all I'm saying. I see Floyd stopping Pac too if they eventually get it going.
Cotto is a credible opponent for anyone at or around 147-160. He's a borderline hall of fame boxer. He's got a good mix of talent and skills and he's a warrior. However, what makes his attractive as an opponent for Mayweather has nothing to do with his skills and all to do with his name and the money he brings to the table. I think there are several fighters at or around that weight that beat Cotto.
Like I said in another post, I don't believe Cotto has been the same since Margarito I. He seems fragile. In addition, I don't think he's any better at 154 than he was 147. I actually think at 154 he's probably more beatable because of his size. He's too small for a big junior middleweight.
Well the only challenge for Floyd at this point that might make him even remotely uncomfortable is Martinez at 160. I actually have a funny feeling he might go that route next. Roger hinted at it.
But beyond Pacquiao I cant think of a better fight at the moment than Cotto vs Floyd. His last fight he gave the young up and comer a shot at his throne and now he's giving it to a credible champion. I see nothing wrong with his opponent selection. (apart from the pathetic excuses both he and Pacquiao come up with for not getting it on but hey)
I don't really disagree given what's out there. Lara would be a tougher challenge than Cotto, but who wants to face Lara? He brings no money to the table and he's tough. One thing that bothers me is why is Cotto ranked number one at junior middleweight? He hasn't faced anyone in the top ten.
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Every person that's on Floyd's nuts right now doesn't seem to realize his cherry picking ways. far above the level of fighters cotto has fought recently, don't think the
Shane was still shot. Margarito's golden wraps were taken, of course he wasn't going to win the fight. Marquez was top level, but he wasn't good for the weight. He hadn't taken the proper time to go up to the weight like he did in his last fight with Manny. Ortiz is crap. Plain crap. The only victory that gives him any light is the one against Berto. Berto sucks, too. The both of them collectively suck at boxing. But the point stands. In his entire career, Ortiz had ONE notable victory. ONE. Don't even try to tell me that he was top level.
Also, Cotto was not weight drained for the Pac fight, fellas. He was one pound lighter. One pound. In the fight before Manny, he was at 146, and against Manny he weighed 145. There should be a minimum two pound weight loss before we should even halfheartedly joke that somebody is weight drained.
You know what collectively sucks? Your posting coupled with your mates fighting each other on youtube in some caravan site..For some reason..like many on this site, you're totally and irrationally butthurt about Floyd.
I agree with Lyle here. How the furk is Cotto anywhere near shot or damaged goods? I haven't seen him slip..I've seen his style change for sure. He's on his toes a lot more but that's a great adjustment on his part, no? Better defense. Sure he doesn't work the body as hard but the dude can box and box well! I don't give a shit what people say about the Pacquiao fight either because if Cotto was such easy pickings why did Pacquiao want to drain him again at 145 for the rematch?? And if it wasn't a problem for Cotto why did Cotto refuse this time round? He clearly DOESN'T feel comfy at 145 regardless of what you, as fans might say.
Two things piss me off about this thread. Boxing fans disrespect about Cotto and once again the hindsight that Shane was "shot" and that his win over "Margarito" was a given. Gtfo of here!! How many of you picked him to win? "Oh Margaritos head wasn't in it"...sure whatever you say.
These are the same cry babies that said "Omg Floyd MUST MUST MUST fight Shane!! He's scared..he's duckin n dodging him!!"......Then he signs up to fight him.."Oh erm..respect I guess. Didnt think Floyd would step up"
Of course he does a number on him and Shane got old "Mid fight"??? Never heard that one before??
If you could hear yourselves you'd slap yourself in the face for being so retarded.
You guys are the biggest Floyd fans of all if you think this fight is gonna be a stroll in the park for him. You guys obviously rate him highly!
If it does end up being a stroll for him, then damn...he's good. Straight up.
Alright, mate. Lets have a rational discussion about this. To aid us, we'll use numbered points.
1. My sparring session with my buddy has nothing to do with anything. Nothing at all. I live in South Dakota. We have more cows than people. I could very well be using my time by doing copious amounts of drugs, or something neat like that. Why does that video bother you so much?
2. Irrationally butthurt about Floyd? My problem with Floyd is that everybody is rating him too highly. There's a lot of boxing fans out there that are saying that Floyd is going to make easy work of Cotto, as if Cotto isn't the best fighter he's fought in four years. Cotto has an excellent resume and an excellent set of skills, but because of his fights with Margarito and Pac, they're choosing to believe he's over the hill. I firmly believe them to be mistaken. Will Cotto win? Probably not, but I really do hope so. He's a lot better than people are giving him credit for. I don't like Floyd as a person, but he's gained a lot of my respect by fighting Cotto, as well as my $60 for the PPV next Saturday. As a fighter, he's a genius, and he deserves a good portion of the praise he gets.
3. You make a very valid point about Cotto being comfortable with his weight, but I don't see much evidence suggesting that the one pound weight difference was so immediate in effect. In the long term, of course, there is a reason that he moved up to the Light Middleweight division.
4. I agree with your points about the boxing fans. But I honestly don't remember there being such a clamor in the boxing community to see Shane vs. Mayweather. Of course, my memory has been wrong before.
Cheers.
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In some ways this fight remeinds me of Martinez vs Macklin. Everyone expected Macklin to fight the way he normally does and he did something truly unexpected and I think won quite a few rounds too vs the champ.
The trick is to do something no one expects you to do and execute that plan well. In my mind the only thing I can think of is if Cotto forces Mayweather to press and increase his punch output then he would gain an advantage simply by the fact that he's forcing his opponent to conform to his game plan.
This being said the most important part is to execute the plan well. I do not know if he can do this consistently for 12 rounds and be successful.
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Floyd has stamina, and he might also be extremely durable his skills have prevented as from having to find out and I think that it'll be the same here. As I said before I think floyd takes this something like 9 to 3 or maybe late stopage. As I said before I really think cotto is damaged goods and has been for a while.
Floyd does have stamina and his defense is awesome, but we don't know if he can take consistent punishment from a guy who will be there for at least 9 rounds. Miguel Cotto can win rounds, and if he can rough Floyd up then we may have an upset on our hands.
Remember when Bernard Hopkins was seemingly untouchable at 160? That's the way I see Floyd. Their strengths in defense, getting their opponents to fight the way they want to fight, and sneaky power/stamina really casts an aura of invincibility over them. But time stands still for no one and although Floyd is faster, has a bit of an advantage in reach & height, and is a more skilled pure boxer, Miguel Cotto is a big boy and will weigh close to 165 (ballpark guess) if not more come fight night will have an edge on power, and unlike most of Floyd's other opponents Cotto can switch up to southpaw and be just as effective.
What I'm saying is, no matter how great Floyd looks right now Miguel Cotto is a very live underdog who fights with a lot of heart and will give 100% out there in the ring. For the first time in a while Floyd will have to EARN a win and that right there is good for boxing. The fact that Alvarez could lose to Mosely on the undercard makes this a night of boxing I refuse to miss out on.
Win or lose for Cotto May 5th is going to be a great night of boxing!
Cotto has two chances. Slim and none...and slim just left town.
Cotto will not win a round.
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Cotto has two chances. Slim and none...and slim just left town.
Cotto will not win a round.
That's your take on it and that's fine, Mayweather has given us no reason to think he'll lose anytime soon, but stranger things have happened. Cotto is bigger & stronger than Marquez and he's more polished than Ortiz....I like his chances better than those guys. Cotto also boxes better than Mosley at this point in time. So yes I'm cheering for Cotto, but I understand he's an underdog.
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Floyd has stamina, and he might also be extremely durable his skills have prevented as from having to find out and I think that it'll be the same here. As I said before I think floyd takes this something like 9 to 3 or maybe late stopage. As I said before I really think cotto is damaged goods and has been for a while.
Floyd does have stamina and his defense is awesome, but we don't know if he can take consistent punishment from a guy who will be there for at least 9 rounds. Miguel Cotto can win rounds, and if he can rough Floyd up then we may have an upset on our hands.
Remember when Bernard Hopkins was seemingly untouchable at 160? That's the way I see Floyd. Their strengths in defense, getting their opponents to fight the way they want to fight, and sneaky power/stamina really casts an aura of invincibility over them. But time stands still for no one and although Floyd is faster, has a bit of an advantage in reach & height, and is a more skilled pure boxer, Miguel Cotto is a big boy and will weigh close to 165 (ballpark guess) if not more come fight night will have an edge on power, and unlike most of Floyd's other opponents Cotto can switch up to southpaw and be just as effective.
What I'm saying is, no matter how great Floyd looks right now Miguel Cotto is a very live underdog who fights with a lot of heart and will give 100% out there in the ring. For the first time in a while Floyd will have to EARN a win and that right there is good for boxing. The fact that Alvarez could lose to Mosely on the undercard makes this a night of boxing I refuse to miss out on.
Win or lose for Cotto May 5th is going to be a great night of boxing!
Cotto has two chances. Slim and none...and slim just left town.
Cotto will not win a round.
I'm sorry, what? Are you completely retarded?
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Cotto has two chances. Slim and none...and slim just left town.
Cotto will not win a round.
That's your take on it and that's fine, Mayweather has given us no reason to think he'll lose anytime soon, but stranger things have happened. Cotto is bigger & stronger than Marquez and he's more polished than Ortiz....I like his chances better than those guys. Cotto also boxes better than Mosley at this point in time. So yes I'm cheering for Cotto, but I understand he's an underdog.
He's too slow and he's not at his best weight class. Moreover, I'm not convinced Cotto has the hunger that it appeared he had in previous years. Margarito may have zapped him of it.
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He's too slow and he's not at his best weight class. Moreover, I'm not convinced Cotto has the hunger that it appeared he had in previous years. Margarito may have zapped him of it.
People have said Cotto was too slow for years and it only hurt him 1 time vs Pac when he fought at 145 and without a trainer! They said Shane was too quick, Zab was too quick, and Miguel won both of those handily! Cotto has always been stone faced so he doesn't go all out in attack anymore it doesn't mean he's not dedicated.
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In some ways this fight remeinds me of Martinez vs Macklin. Everyone expected Macklin to fight the way he normally does and he did something truly unexpected and I think won quite a few rounds too vs the champ.
The trick is to do something no one expects you to do and execute that plan well. In my mind the only thing I can think of is if Cotto forces Mayweather to press and increase his punch output then he would gain an advantage simply by the fact that he's forcing his opponent to conform to his game plan.
This being said the most important part is to execute the plan well. I do not know if he can do this consistently for 12 rounds and be successful.
100% agree, Cotto needs a good strategy to win the rounds one at a time. Simple in theory, difficult in practice especially against Floyd.
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Cotto has two chances. Slim and none...and slim just left town.
Cotto will not win a round.
That's your take on it and that's fine, Mayweather has given us no reason to think he'll lose anytime soon, but stranger things have happened. Cotto is bigger & stronger than Marquez and he's more polished than Ortiz....I like his chances better than those guys. Cotto also boxes better than Mosley at this point in time. So yes I'm cheering for Cotto, but I understand he's an underdog.
He's too slow and he's not at his best weight class. Moreover, I'm not convinced Cotto has the hunger that it appeared he had in previous years. Margarito may have zapped him of it.
Now you're just clutching at straws. You have zero basis for the statements you just made - Lyle debunked your speed argument, the weight class issue..well he obviously feels its where he needs to be right now or would be at 147. Then the whole, "he's not hungry". Really? You don't think he's hungry against Floyd?? Nonsense imo
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1+2 - I dont have a problem with what you choose to film. Thats just an aside - it's your over emotional, yes irrational posting towards Floyd Mayweather. I dont think anybody overates him. He is what he is. Probably the best in our era who is still an active fighter. Another I'm sure that will be appreciated more when he's gone although if he and Pac fail to fight each other, it will slightly taint their legacy.
You start having a fit about how people are on his nuts ane he cherry picks blah blah. Every champion has at some point cherry picked and if we look back neutrally Floyd is nowhere near one of the worst offenders IMO it's how far ahead in skills he is that annoys people.
3+4 There was a HUGE clamour for MAyweather Mosley! Especiallg after the Margarito win, the noise about how Floyd is scared of Shane got louder. Nobody thought Floyd would sign for that fight but to a lot of peoples surprise, he did. Not to pick on him but Miles/Gandalf is one I distictly remember giving him respect for doing so and post-fight gave him shit for fighting a "shot mosley". I have the memory of an elephant ;)
Well done for having a civilised debate though.
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Cotto has two chances. Slim and none...and slim just left town.
Cotto will not win a round.
That's your take on it and that's fine, Mayweather has given us no reason to think he'll lose anytime soon, but stranger things have happened. Cotto is bigger & stronger than Marquez and he's more polished than Ortiz....I like his chances better than those guys. Cotto also boxes better than Mosley at this point in time. So yes I'm cheering for Cotto, but I understand he's an underdog.
He's too slow and he's not at his best weight class. Moreover, I'm not convinced Cotto has the hunger that it appeared he had in previous years. Margarito may have zapped him of it.
Now you're just clutching at straws. You have zero basis for the statements you just made - Lyle debunked your speed argument, the weight class issue..well he obviously feels its where he needs to be right now or would be at 147. Then the whole, "he's not hungry". Really? You don't think he's hungry against Floyd?? Nonsense imo
Where I'm coming from is that pre-Margarito, Cotto was a different fighter. Since then he seems more fragile. I have no basis for it. Even with any perceived added fragility, he's still a very capable fighter.
I wrote a lengthy post with the reasons I thought Cotto had little shot in this fight. I won't repeat them again. I also prefaced that post by saying that I view Cotto as a borderline-hall of famer, and greatly admire hiis boxing skills and career. So, in no way, do I mean to disparage the Puerto Rican warrior. I just think he's got an unsurmountable hill to climb in fighting Pretty Boy.
With regard to weight, in my estimation, Cotto is at 154 because he doesn't want to deal with cutting the extra weight. With his cache, it is something he has the power to do. It's not because he is more effective at 154. His choice of competition at 154 bares that out. In further support is that at 140 and 147, he fought everyone possible. Why do you think he is better at 154?
Also, remember pre-Ortiz and pre-Marquez 3, I was one of the only posters to view the Ortiz fight as a mismatch and also that in no way was Marquez getting schooled by Pacquiao because he has Pacquiao's number.
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Now you're just clutching at straws. You have zero basis for the statements you just made - Lyle debunked your speed argument, the weight class issue..well he obviously feels its where he needs to be right now or would be at 147. Then the whole, "he's not hungry". Really? You don't think he's hungry against Floyd?? Nonsense imo
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1+2 - I dont have a problem with what you choose to film. Thats just an aside - it's your over emotional, yes irrational posting towards Floyd Mayweather. I dont think anybody overates him. He is what he is. Probably the best in our era who is still an active fighter. Another I'm sure that will be appreciated more when he's gone although if he and Pac fail to fight each other, it will slightly taint their legacy.
You start having a fit about how people are on his nuts ane he cherry picks blah blah. Every champion has at some point cherry picked and if we look back neutrally Floyd is nowhere near one of the worst offenders IMO it's how far ahead in skills he is that annoys people.
3+4 There was a HUGE clamour for MAyweather Mosley! Especiallg after the Margarito win, the noise about how Floyd is scared of Shane got louder. Nobody thought Floyd would sign for that fight but to a lot of peoples surprise, he did. Not to pick on him but Miles/Gandalf is one I distictly remember giving him respect for doing so and post-fight gave him shit for fighting a "shot mosley". I have the memory of an elephant ;)
Well done for having a civilised debate though.
I understand where you're coming from. I get a bit more emotional about certain fighters than I should. Personally, him not fighting the best wouldn't have bothered me so much if he didn't talk as much as he did. I just need to stop paying attention to what he does outside of the ring. ;D
I'm often too quick to insult somebody when I don't agree with them. It's a habit of mine. But I try and fix my mistakes when the person I insult turns out to not deserve it. I guess I usually expect them to prove my opinion on them wrong.
And you have. So, uh... I'm sorry for being a presumptuous dickhead. ;D
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I think Cotto keeps it close for a few rounds but then Mayweather pulls away and wins easily on points.
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I think Cotto keeps it close for a few rounds but then Mayweather pulls away and wins easily on points.
That is what Hatton has said too, but if it is close I think Cotto will not lose his head like Ricky did.
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I think Cotto keeps it close for a few rounds but then Mayweather pulls away and wins easily on points.
That is what Hatton has said too, but if it is close I think Cotto will not lose his head like Ricky did.
Cotto is a more well rounded boxer than Ricky ever was, plus he's fighting at a good weight for him (unlike when Ricky fought Floyd at 147). I just think Cotto will give Floyd a very difficult fight.
