I think Fury has enough savy to make it into the last 3rd of the fight.
What Price can or can't do from there, at this point is anyone's guess.
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I think Fury has enough savy to make it into the last 3rd of the fight.
What Price can or can't do from there, at this point is anyone's guess.
I thought fury looked pretty impressive at the start of the fight, he has improved since I watched him get knocked down by nevan whatever it was, I dont watch fury that much but he didn't look bad at all, best thing he managed to do v johnson was pace himself and not punch himself so out... so there are some positives for him even though it is hard to judge because johnson can be so bad sometimes..
Fury vacated rather than face Price because of what Price did to John McDermott. Price demolished him in 1 when Fury struggled twice. Tyson is probably the more skilled of the 2 but if Price landed he'd be counting stars.
Just fight. Fuck the lollygagging.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
Fury's Trainer Rips Maloney Over Past David Price Talks - Boxing News
Johnson was beyond bad, he never came to fight, it was one of the worst displays from a HW I've seen in a few years....shameful!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
I dont know.... Hayes against Wladamir was pretty dire;)
Maybe hes a big Bruce Lee fan "fighting without fighting"
Briggs vs the White poddle set the bar and then Briggs/Ibragimov but that was right up in the mix. Would like to see the punch stats from Johnsons end even though they are usually exaggerated by a factor of 10. I bet he threw about 6 right hands the entire contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Johnson was beyond bad, he never came to fight, it was one of the worst displays from a HW I've seen in a few years....shameful!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
That maybe true but until he goes the distance i ain't changing my mind. There is nothing to suggest that he will go the distance aswell. It can go either way! Unless you know something we don't all know? Like your his coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThe reason Price hasn't gone the distance has a lot to do with the fact that he has great stopping power. He stopped Audley in less time than it took Haye, McDermott with none of the trouble that Fury took, those are hardly negatives. There is nothing to suggest his fitness would prevent him going 12 rounds and people going on about his chin because of one amateur fight years ago is getting a bit desperate now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave1066
Like Inuit said. If you ain't got the gass you ain't punching hard!
Don't get me wrong these are only criticisms. I'm not being negative. Price comes across well in interviews. I don't dislike the fighter. He does have good stopping power. I do like the guy. But i ain't no fan boy. I keep a level head when watching a fight. But Audley. That was just a pay cheque. How did that test him atall. He needs an opponent that tests him. An ideal fight prime Vs prime Mike Tyson Vs David Price. Or an Even prime Foreman. See who has the greatest power.
The issue that concerns me the most about team Fury is their reluctance to entertain a fight with Price. Forget the discussions about who they have fought, because history has shown that is no barometer for a future encounter.
I like Fury, and he's taken some good, testing fights thus far, but if he is serious about facing Vitali or Wlad next year he needs to step up in class in a huge way in the future. Whilst people carp on about the likes of Chisora and Johnson as decent opponents, they are missing the point that however good they are in their own right, their fighting style is about as far removed from a brother K as it is possible to get.
Fury has made a name fighting smaller, lethargic heavies who are not too heavy handed. In Vitali he has a busy power puncher of comparable size.
What could Fury do to prepare? Find a technically adept, tall, rangy, power punching boxer who will be busy enough to push him. I can't think of any current heavyweight that would be better preparation than Price, which is why it baffles me that team Fury aren't chasing this to the ends of the earth.
Fury needs Price.
David Price. I just can't get over Fury's knockdown against the limited Canadian, and I haven't seen Price hurt like that against comparable opposition.
Fury is simply following the David Haye gameplan: only fight risky fights if he is facing a Klitschko. He won't face Price, unless he's cashing out, or the fight makes s$nse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
From what I understand, if Vitali retires, which at 41, which there is a good chance of, the title will become vacant, and Fury will go against the winner of Bermaine Stiverne and Cris Arreola. That's a fight I'm more interested in seeing.
When fury offered price the fight, Maloney said they couldnt because he was contracted to sky then that turned out to be bullshit. Go back a page and read the link I put up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
Prices last 3 fights have hot progressively worse whereas Tyson Fury is winning new fans each time he fights because everyone can see the improvements he ks making with each fight nd is now a genuine contender whereas Price is knocking about with British level journeymen in their 40's.
David Haye didnt want to fight Johnson a few years ago when he moved to heavy. Beating Johnson convincingly over 12 is far more impressive than stopping Skelton in 2. Price had some jittery moments when Skelton came forward. There is a reason Maloney wont move him up in class, hes shit scared of that jaw. Its like having a Ferrari with glass tyres.
A little harsh there on Haye. Who else should he have fought? He took on Ruiz and Valuev and won a strap. Both are a cut above the usual dross and have been world champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFury is simply following the David Haye gameplan: only fight risky fights if he is facing a Klitschko. He won't face Price, unless he's cashing out, or the fight makes s$nse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
From what I understand, if Vitali retires, which at 41, which there is a good chance of, the title will become vacant, and Fury will go against the winner of Bermaine Stiverne and Cris Arreola. That's a fight I'm more interested in seeing.
I hope Vitali does retire, and I think Arreola against Fury is a cracking matchup.
Price has done well for himself and I am impressed with his power. Price also comes across well I interviews whereas Fury does not at times. I still prefer Fury but think Price should take on the Klit brothers first in 2013. Fury has got time on his side and needs to get more confidence. Fury was in shape but he fought within himself and needs to be tested against someone who is trying to win against him.
Fury or Price would beat Adamek.
I dunno, Haye came to fight against Wlad, he just quickly found that he couldnt get past the jab and he had no Plan B...Johnson on the other hand did nothing even when it was clear he was a number of rounds down, so I suppose you could be right, he could quite possibly be a student of Master Lee :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
6 half hearted right hands ;D why bother turning up if that's all you are going to offer, I wonder wether he could be sparring with Fraudley Harrison and has picked up some bad habits :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitBriggs vs the White poddle set the bar and then Briggs/Ibragimov but that was right up in the mix. Would like to see the punch stats from Johnsons end even though they are usually exaggerated by a factor of 10. I bet he threw about 6 right hands the entire contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Johnson was beyond bad, he never came to fight, it was one of the worst displays from a HW I've seen in a few years....shameful!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
Fury does not need the price fight right now.
He is on the verge of fighting for a world title, why would he go back and fight price who is fighting total losers. Fury has time on his side, he will become a world champion. I think price will become one also. When one of them is champion that's when the fight should be made.
I like both fighters, but both are on different paths and don't need to fight right now.
Fury has fought stronger opposition than Price, and is 5 years younger. If he's taking a "non-risk" path then what is Price doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFury is simply following the David Haye gameplan: only fight risky fights if he is facing a Klitschko. He won't face Price, unless he's cashing out, or the fight makes s$nse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
From what I understand, if Vitali retires, which at 41, which there is a good chance of, the title will become vacant, and Fury will go against the winner of Bermaine Stiverne and Cris Arreola. That's a fight I'm more interested in seeing.
To be fair Fury's only really beaten Chisora and Kingpin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
But Price wants to fight Chisora next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair Fury's only really beaten Chisora and Kingpin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
There are links all over the internet that contradict what both camps have said. If you believe any one of them, then you'll love these magic beans I'm selling...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWhen fury offered price the fight, Maloney said they couldnt because he was contracted to sky then that turned out to be bullshit. Go back a page and read the link I put up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
David Haye didnt want to fight Johnson a few years ago when he moved to heavy. Beating Johnson convincingly over 12 is far more impressive than stopping Skelton in 2. Price had some jittery moments when Skelton came forward. There is a reason Maloney wont move him up in class, hes shit scared of that jaw. Its like having a Ferrari with glass tyres.
Price didn't have jittery moments when Skelton came forward, apart from in the eyes of the uninitiated and the poisonously biased. Still, at least Skelton came forward, unlike Johnson.
I don't want to criticise Fury for the Johnson fight, because last minute opponents are hard to find, but I'm confused how anybody can be impressed by a landslide victory over an opponent who doesn't fight back and whose sole claim to fame is he went 12 rounds with the champ years ago and didn't get knocked out whilst throwing no punches then either.
I think there are many top ten heavyweights that Haye could fight, and he would be favored over most. Adamek, Chambers, Arreola all come to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenA little harsh there on Haye. Who else should he have fought? He took on Ruiz and Valuev and won a strap. Both are a cut above the usual dross and have been world champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFury is simply following the David Haye gameplan: only fight risky fights if he is facing a Klitschko. He won't face Price, unless he's cashing out, or the fight makes s$nse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
From what I understand, if Vitali retires, which at 41, which there is a good chance of, the title will become vacant, and Fury will go against the winner of Bermaine Stiverne and Cris Arreola. That's a fight I'm more interested in seeing.
I hope Vitali does retire, and I think Arreola against Fury is a cracking matchup.
Price is moving equally slowly. He's still fighting at the British domestic level.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFury has fought stronger opposition than Price, and is 5 years younger. If he's taking a "non-risk" path then what is Price doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFury is simply following the David Haye gameplan: only fight risky fights if he is facing a Klitschko. He won't face Price, unless he's cashing out, or the fight makes s$nse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
From what I understand, if Vitali retires, which at 41, which there is a good chance of, the title will become vacant, and Fury will go against the winner of Bermaine Stiverne and Cris Arreola. That's a fight I'm more interested in seeing.
It's my primary criticism of the heavyweight division. There are just a lot of good fights to be made that do not include the KBros, but aren't made because it makes more financial sense for a top fighter to lie in wait until a title challenge with the Kbros opens up. By the way, it makes perfect sense for careers; I'm just a boxing fan, and I would love to see guys like Fury and Arreola mix it up.
Recently, Pulev beat Dimitrenko, Adamek beat Chambers and Arreola is set to face Stiverne, but who else of the top ten/fifteen is facing each other?
I recall that Fury wanted a fight with Boystov, which is the exact kind of fight I would be excited to see.
So turning down a mandatory title defence with Price and vacating his titles to Duck him, because he was planning to take this so called different path, vindicates Tyson from running??Quote:
Originally Posted by Whytie
Price is actually fighting the level of opponent he should be at this point of his progression, taking on domestic opponents and at the time he was made the mandatory for the British title that was also his next progressive step....but Fury simply bottled it....you can say what you like but the real facts are that Fury refused to take the fight with Price because he didn't fancy it, he lacked confidence!
I don't think Fury is the sort of man that lacks confidence.
doesnt matter if fury is confident or not , he doesnt last 2 rounds with price.
Ranting and raving are sure fire signs of confidence issues, Tyson protests too much :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Price is cleaning up the UK division, he's not clambering for titles just for the sake of it, Irish belts or random EU ones.
Not many UK heavies for him to fight now, Haye would never do it, He'll beat Chisora next year.
I think Price hits too hard for Fury, some of these guys he's knocking out are durable fighters, he's making it look too easy.
You can see Fury has more experience, just by the way he fights now compared to before. He's getting better technically and his journey has been paced well, including that weird fight against Rogan he fought southpaw.
I think his experience might get him through 3 rounds and land a few, but based on only about 3 shots I've seen Price take flush, I think he will take Furys punches and land bigger ones.
I would much rather Price vacated the British title, and not fought dross like a 45 year old Skelton, and a gun shy Fraudley.
So much talk of meaningless titles, if they are you mandatory defenses.
The British title is hardly meaningless just because Fury did not value it is no reason to criticise Price for giving it the respect it is due. In many ways the belt and title is the most meaningful a British fighter can hold. To win the most beautiful belt out there outright is a perfectly valid and respectable thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Hear hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThe British title is hardly meaningless just because Fury did not value it is no reason to criticise Price for giving it the respect it is due. In many ways the belt and title is the most meaningful a British fighter can hold. To win the most beautiful belt out there outright is a perfectly valid and respectable thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Ross you're not at it again are you? Did Price have some 'jittery moments' in the same way that his legs went against Sexton just before sparking him? ;D
Only because Chisora has somehow become somewhat of a name after losing to both Haye and Klitschko. Let's face it, there isn't a massive difference in terms of the quality of their respective opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBut Price wants to fight Chisora next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair Fury's only really beaten Chisora and Kingpin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Price-Chisora makes sense though. Chisora has a pretty decent chin so you'll find out ifQuote:
Originally Posted by onoOnly because Chisora has somehow become somewhat of a name after losing to both Haye and Klitschko. Let's face it, there isn't a massive difference in terms of the quality of their respective opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBut Price wants to fight Chisora next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair Fury's only really beaten Chisora and Kingpin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
a) Price's power is for real
or
b) If Price has a stamina issue.
I also believe Chisora is Fury's toughest opponent thus far (other than McDermott who he made hard work of)
I agree with this and another thing I reckon Chisora will be able to test Prices chin too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnPrice-Chisora makes sense though. Chisora has a pretty decent chin so you'll find out ifQuote:
Originally Posted by onoOnly because Chisora has somehow become somewhat of a name after losing to both Haye and Klitschko. Let's face it, there isn't a massive difference in terms of the quality of their respective opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBut Price wants to fight Chisora next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair Fury's only really beaten Chisora and Kingpin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
a) Price's power is for real
or
b) If Price has a stamina issue.
I also believe Chisora is Fury's toughest opponent thus far (other than McDermott who he made hard work of)
Chisora is not a puncher, if he did have one he would have hurt Vitali, Fury and Haye.
Correction his punches would have bounced off Vitali , stung Haye and KOED Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fury has a better chin than Haye. He wouldnt have been dropped by super middle weight Lolenga Mock, Mormeck or got knocked out by Carl Thompson;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlCorrection his punches would have bounced off Vitali , stung Haye and KOED Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Even with the size difference The Cat would have bust him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFury has a better chin than Haye. He wouldnt have been dropped by super middle weight Lolenga Mock, Mormeck or got knocked out by Carl Thompson;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlCorrection his punches would have bounced off Vitali , stung Haye and KOED Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by bzkfnPrice-Chisora makes sense though. Chisora has a pretty decent chin so you'll find out ifQuote:
Originally Posted by onoOnly because Chisora has somehow become somewhat of a name after losing to both Haye and Klitschko. Let's face it, there isn't a massive difference in terms of the quality of their respective opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBut Price wants to fight Chisora next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair Fury's only really beaten Chisora and Kingpin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
a) Price's power is for real
or
b) If Price has a stamina issue.
I also believe Chisora is Fury's toughest opponent thus far (other than McDermott who he made hard work of)
For 'made hard work of' see: Lost to.