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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
Let us just take it for what it is, Pac got caught by a fellow great fighter period. No steroids there. I wont go the PBF route degrading JMM's greatness.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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jbp23
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
That's the best u have? Man you have no creativity, I bet I could buy you off with a couple of potatoes! Is that a Mexican flag I see, yeah don't u have bigger issues like your country men killing each other on a daily basis in the tens of thousands? My guess is u don't care since drugs do not bother you even though its destroying your beloved Mexico. Again because your probably the result of insect and thus borderline mentally retarded, the Freedom remark is from Braveheart not the potato remark. Cheerio!
One last question r u the result of your Mom and Dad being brother and sister or just 1st cousins?
;D
'The result of insect'. That's an unfortunate typo.
Never has one man got so much wrong in one post. Missy you Mexican you!
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
jbp23
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
That's the best u have? Man you have no creativity, I bet I could buy you off with a couple of potatoes! Is that a Mexican flag I see, yeah don't u have bigger issues like your country men killing each other on a daily basis in the tens of thousands? My guess is u don't care since drugs do not bother you even though its destroying your beloved Mexico. Again because your probably the result of insect and thus borderline mentally retarded, the Freedom remark is from Braveheart not the potato remark. Cheerio!
One last question r u the result of your Mom and Dad being brother and sister or just 1st cousins?
;D
'The result of insect'. That's an unfortunate typo.
Never has one man got so much wrong in one post. Missy you Mexican you!
I'd be proud to be Mexican and on a good day & a tan I do look 'some sort of foreign' ;D
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
jbp23
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
That's the best u have? Man you have no creativity, I bet I could buy you off with a couple of potatoes! Is that a Mexican flag I see, yeah don't u have bigger issues like your country men killing each other on a daily basis in the tens of thousands? My guess is u don't care since drugs do not bother you even though its destroying your beloved Mexico. Again because your probably the result of insect and thus borderline mentally retarded, the Freedom remark is from Braveheart not the potato remark. Cheerio!
One last question r u the result of your Mom and Dad being brother and sister or just 1st cousins?
;D
'The result of insect'. That's an unfortunate typo.
Never has one man got so much wrong in one post. Missy you Mexican you!
I'd be proud to be Mexican and on a good day & a tan I do look 'some sort of foreign' ;D
The moron that started this is probably from the worst boxing country!
At least us Scottish got Ricky Burns doing a job :)
#PleaseDontLetUsDownRickyWereTooUsedToFailure
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.
The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.
Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.
I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.
EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.
The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.
Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.
I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.
EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
How much was he squatting out of interest?
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.
The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.
Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.
I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.
EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
How much was he squatting out of interest?
No idea. Didn't watch it, just know what Conte said about it.
While Conte said it is theoretically possible that Marquez was able to transform his body the way he has at such an advanced age for an athlete, he remains suspicious of it.
He pointed out the massive amount of weight that Marquez was shown squatting during HBO's "24/7: Pacquiao-Marquez." Several boxing trainers and conditioning coaches have told Yahoo! Sports that it is highly unusual for boxers to squat such heavy weight.
Conte said there is a reason for that.
"That makes your entire body strong, not just your legs," Conte said of the squats Marquez has been doing. "If you want to stimulate speed, power and strength, you do it using heavy weight and exploding from under that weight with enough on your shoulders in the squat rack.
"But how many boxers do you know who are in the weight room squatting huge poundage? You don't see that. That in and of itself would make you stiff and sore and unable to walk for two or three days unless you are using testosterone or other steroids to accelerate the healing, where instead of it taking three days to recover from that type of workout, you'd recover in one day."
Juan Manuel Marquez's newfound muscle raises questions about PED use - Yahoo! Sports
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.
The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.
Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.
I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.
EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
How much was he squatting out of interest?
Two plates (235lbs) and he only did one rep,not really a massive amount of weight. But I guess for a his size its alot
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
Lol
Every time somebody wins today the ped accusation is sure to follow. Both punches that dropped Manny were perfectly timed and a result of Manny's dart in and out style. It finally caught up to him against a guy he had previously fought 3 times and he could have fought the 4th blindfolded. The knockout punch was brilliant and Manny walked right into it.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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IamInuit
Lol
Every time somebody wins today the ped accusation is sure to follow. Both punches that dropped Manny were perfectly timed and a result of Manny's dart in and out style. It finally caught up to him against a guy he had previously fought 3 times and he could have fought the 4th blindfolded. The knockout punch was brilliant and Manny walked right into it.
I agree. I basically said the same thing on the previous page. It doesn't rule out the possibility that both of them could be taking PEDs though. Since all these guys are clean boxers and everything they've done in their late careers is down to hard work in the gym it'd be nice if they all followed the lead of Ninito Donaire and agreed to year-round random testing. Then nobody could make any accusations against them.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
An investigation needs to be opened. If you analyze all that has happened, you will all agree.
I'm a fan of both fighters. Let me make that very clear. Not only do I praise Marquez all the time, but I actually felt he deserved to get a win....... but not like that. I have used HGH in the past when playing football and training for the golden gloves (which I pulled out of). One thing I have learned is the face of an athlete who has sold himself to getting what he wants any way he can. There is not only an apparent nature of the whole thing, but also hard evidence. This might be the most clear cut case of using in history. If he had faced someone else like Cotto, or Bradley, or whoever, he may have slipped by a keen eye of myself and other athletes with his statistical numbers to defend himself. And we may have been forced to back off. But we have 4 fights of footage to look at between him and Pacman that paint his hands red completely. I wrote a blog on my site at- Jokatech. I can't say it all here, but trust me, Marquez, as much as I love the guy cheated blatantly. The sad thing is he may not get caught.
And I was cheering for him to get Mayweather after this because I think they fight very much alike and I thought people wrongly wrote Marquez off after his undersized loss to Mayweather. He has the style and skill set to be Money's biggest challenge and dethroner. But last night he was outboxed, showed some of his worst defense and relied on drugs to get what he wanted. Wish he could get up like that for his next fight. (the name Jokatech. at dot webs dot...cm
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
Why is it ever long great bridge crossed always has to have some nagging Troll underneath. Must really hurt to see Pac trying to brush his teeth face first with the ring like that.
Hey..At least Marquez is the one who has already proven he has no problem pissing in a cup. We really need to stop tearing down achievments and casting accusation based in agenda and sour grapes. Prove it or jog on. Marquez literally walked him, spun him into right hands. Fight a guy once...you learn him. Fight him four times, you predict him.
Wach is the size of a Cruise ship and benches God knows what..too bad he has the boxing ability, technique, and skill of a gloved circus Bear! Maybe if he was PED free we'd find he was actually a welter.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Lol
Every time somebody wins today the ped accusation is sure to follow. Both punches that dropped Manny were perfectly timed and a result of Manny's dart in and out style. It finally caught up to him against a guy he had previously fought 3 times and he could have fought the 4th blindfolded. The knockout punch was brilliant and Manny walked right into it.
I agree. I basically said the same thing on the previous page. It doesn't rule out the possibility that both of them could be taking PEDs though. Since all these guys are clean boxers and everything they've done in their late careers is down to hard work in the gym it'd be nice if they all followed the lead of Ninito Donaire and agreed to year-round random testing. Then nobody could make any accusations against them.
True but Marquez did offer to do whatever tests they wanted and of course that would have obligated Manny to do the same. At worst they were both juicing which would make it an even playing field;D
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Lol
Every time somebody wins today the ped accusation is sure to follow. Both punches that dropped Manny were perfectly timed and a result of Manny's dart in and out style. It finally caught up to him against a guy he had previously fought 3 times and he could have fought the 4th blindfolded. The knockout punch was brilliant and Manny walked right into it.
I agree. I basically said the same thing on the previous page. It doesn't rule out the possibility that both of them could be taking PEDs though. Since all these guys are clean boxers and everything they've done in their late careers is down to hard work in the gym it'd be nice if they all followed the lead of Ninito Donaire and agreed to year-round random testing. Then nobody could make any accusations against them.
at this point it's not accusations. 2 small fly weight fighters have been trading leather for over 7 years. Not only do those size fighters almost never score KTFO's, but this pair never has come close. There is nothing natural about a knockout that brutal coming from either 1 of them last night after all this time. I don't care what angle it came from. Trust me, if it was at all likely without drugs, we would never have reached a 4th fight. See, that's the whole thing, boxing and Marquez's camp is counting on the air-headedness of the general public. And with good reason I see.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Jokatech
An investigation needs to be opened. If you analyze all that has happened, you will all agree.
I'm a fan of both fighters. Let me make that very clear. Not only do I praise Marquez all the time, but I actually felt he deserved to get a win....... but not like that. I have used HGH in the past when playing football and training for the golden gloves (which I pulled out of). One thing I have learned is the face of an athlete who has sold himself to getting what he wants any way he can. There is not only an apparent nature of the whole thing, but also hard evidence. This might be the most clear cut case of using in history. If he had faced someone else like Cotto, or Bradley, or whoever, he may have slipped by a keen eye of myself and other athletes with his statistical numbers to defend himself. And we may have been forced to back off. But we have 4 fights of footage to look at between him and Pacman that paint his hands red completely. I wrote a blog on my site at- Jokatech. I can't say it all here, but trust me, Marquez, as much as I love the guy cheated blatantly. The sad thing is he may not get caught.
And I was cheering for him to get Mayweather after this because I think they fight very much alike and I thought people wrongly wrote Marquez off after his undersized loss to Mayweather. He has the style and skill set to be Money's biggest challenge and dethroner. But last night he was outboxed, showed some of his worst defense and relied on drugs to get what he wanted. Wish he could get up like that for his next fight. (the name Jokatech. at dot webs dot...cm
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.
The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.
Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.
I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.
EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
How much was he squatting out of interest?
Two plates (235lbs) and he only did one rep,not really a massive amount of weight. But I guess for a his size its alot
Quite bit for his size but I've seen lots of smaller guys squatting more and having no problems walking the next day! Conte is talking shit.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Jokatech
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Lol
Every time somebody wins today the ped accusation is sure to follow. Both punches that dropped Manny were perfectly timed and a result of Manny's dart in and out style. It finally caught up to him against a guy he had previously fought 3 times and he could have fought the 4th blindfolded. The knockout punch was brilliant and Manny walked right into it.
I agree. I basically said the same thing on the previous page. It doesn't rule out the possibility that both of them could be taking PEDs though. Since all these guys are clean boxers and everything they've done in their late careers is down to hard work in the gym it'd be nice if they all followed the lead of Ninito Donaire and agreed to year-round random testing. Then nobody could make any accusations against them.
at this point it's not accusations. 2 small fly weight fighters have been trading leather for over 7 years. Not only do those size fighters almost never score KTFO's, but this pair never has come close. There is nothing natural about a knockout that brutal coming from either 1 of them last night after all this time. I don't care what angle it came from. Trust me, if it was at all likely without drugs, we would never have reached a 4th fight. See, that's the whole thing, boxing and Marquez's camp is counting on the air-headedness of the general public. And with good reason I see.
Sorry cant agree. That punch would have ko'd just about anyone. Perfectly timed and placed. And ftr Jimmy Wilde was a fly and he had 100 ko's to his credit. And its still accusations until somebody actually proves it.
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I'm tired of hearing "prove it." If it were easy to catch users, they wouldn't still use. Angel is not a repentant drug pusher at all. He changed his name, switched location, took on Marquez as his pupil waaaaay before this fight was even announced, and smiles wickedly when interviewed about PED's and what he's up to, saying that he has , "secrets, he wants to keep." Come the heck on!!!! Any boxing fan with a brain should be pissed. But people are so stupid, this whole thing will most likely slide right under the rug.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Quote:
Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Lol
Every time somebody wins today the ped accusation is sure to follow. Both punches that dropped Manny were perfectly timed and a result of Manny's dart in and out style. It finally caught up to him against a guy he had previously fought 3 times and he could have fought the 4th blindfolded. The knockout punch was brilliant and Manny walked right into it.
I agree. I basically said the same thing on the previous page. It doesn't rule out the possibility that both of them could be taking PEDs though. Since all these guys are clean boxers and everything they've done in their late careers is down to hard work in the gym it'd be nice if they all followed the lead of Ninito Donaire and agreed to year-round random testing. Then nobody could make any accusations against them.
True but Marquez did offer to do whatever tests they wanted and of course that would have obligated Manny to do the same. At worst they were both juicing which would make it an even playing field;D
He did offer to take any test anybody wanted him to take. A week before the fight. If I was Manny or Marquez or any other elite boxer and there were any questions being asked about me or who I was employing to train me I'd volunteer for year-round random testing like Donaire has. It'd be nice to see other elite boxers do the same thing.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Jokatech
I'm tired of hearing "prove it." If it were easy to catch users, they wouldn't still use. Angel is not a repentant drug pusher at all. He changed his name, switched location, took on Marquez as his pupil waaaaay before this fight was even announced, and smiles wickedly when interviewed about PED's and what he's up to, saying that he has , "secrets, he wants to keep." Come the heck on!!!! Any boxing fan with a brain should be pissed. But people are so stupid, this whole thing will most likely slide right under the rug.
So what? That is not proof of dick and your whole gig has logic shaped like a pretzel.
Everybody's juicing so what difference does it make.
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.
The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.
Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.
I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.
EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
How much was he squatting out of interest?
Two plates (235lbs) and he only did one rep,not really a massive amount of weight. But I guess for a his size its alot
When I used to weight train I could squat that AND I could walk afterwards training 5/6 times a week ;D
And it didn't tell you what phase of training he was in when doing that.
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Re: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Quote:
Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Quote:
Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Lol
Every time somebody wins today the ped accusation is sure to follow. Both punches that dropped Manny were perfectly timed and a result of Manny's dart in and out style. It finally caught up to him against a guy he had previously fought 3 times and he could have fought the 4th blindfolded. The knockout punch was brilliant and Manny walked right into it.
I agree. I basically said the same thing on the previous page. It doesn't rule out the possibility that both of them could be taking PEDs though. Since all these guys are clean boxers and everything they've done in their late careers is down to hard work in the gym it'd be nice if they all followed the lead of Ninito Donaire and agreed to year-round random testing. Then nobody could make any accusations against them.
True but Marquez did offer to do whatever tests they wanted and of course that would have obligated Manny to do the same. At worst they were both juicing which would make it an even playing field;D
He did offer to take any test anybody wanted him to take. A week before the fight. If I was Manny or Marquez or any other elite boxer and there were any questions being asked about me or who I was employing to train me I'd volunteer for year-round random testing like Donaire has. It'd be nice to see other elite boxers do the same thing.
Until the governing bodies and commissions institute some kind of 21st century testing then I suppose everyone can be held as suspect. I mean I agree that boxing needs a testing upgrade.
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LOL I love how JMM had months to prepare for this fight and everyone questions his muscle gain? Its simple, eating a little more and weight training. Being somebody who has built themself naturally from 80kg to 95kg at 12 percent bodyfat I kinda know what I am talking about ;) JMM really didnt look that big, he looked a little more muscular but that could be beginner gains from starting weight training. PEDS are not the only things that put muscle on you, hard work and food do it too ;)
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OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.
The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.
Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.
I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.
EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
How much was he squatting out of interest?
Two plates (235lbs) and he only did one rep,not really a massive amount of weight. But I guess for a his size its alot
When I used to weight train I could squat that AND I could walk afterwards training 5/6 times a week ;D
And it didn't tell you what phase of training he was in when doing that.
That would explain those lovely glutes :p
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I was looking to improve explosive power...like Marquez ;)
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Gotta love how the Pactards throw accusations at JMM after unequivocally embarrassing Pacquiao - when the Filipino himself is a long-time suspected PED user. Give Marquez the credit he deserves for finally being able to take the corrupt judges out of the equation in his (rightful) 4th win against the Pacquiao hype-machine... and at nearly 40 years old (Pac's only 33).
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I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.
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I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.
You are a daft piss ant.
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There is no way either of these two are clean, to me anyway.
Yes Marquez looked more muscular than before but hes always been an awesome boxer, all hes done is gone in there on level terms.
Looking at those over hand rights that dropped Manny though. Imagine the carnage that a young Mayorga would have caused!;D
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Mother fuckers loosing their mind after seeing a profesional athlete do a not particularly deep, modest 100kg squat for ONE rep?
...shaking my head.
No wonder the squat rack in most gyms sees more guys bicep curling than squatting.
Also, could any of the pactards crying about PEDs remind me what both fighters weighed?
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I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.
I was surprised as anyone over the ferocity of JMM's KO punch of Manny. But I've watched the video over and over again. Your assertion that Marquez didn't turn into the punch is wrong. As with his 1st knockdown of Manny, Marquez threw his whole body into the punch. The knockout was a "perfect storm" of Marquez throwing a powerful right hand, Manny coming in aggresively with his hands down, and the punch connecting cleanly on Manny's jaw. Not only that... the punch landed at its most dangerous point of the arc, where it was still a short punch. It's small wonder Pac was out.
I'm a fan of both fighters and no need to dis one or the other. Pac gave a spirited effort, which is more than I can say about the Bradley fight. Marquez just caught him with the perfect punch. PEDS or no PEDS, that punch was going to knock Pac out.
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In all honesty the first thing I thought when I saw JMM was "is he juiced?".... 39 year old man adding that kind of new natural muscle? I wanted JMM to win because of the fights he should have won against PAC. It's only natural to wonder especially when his new trainer was associated with BALCO.
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JMM probly is on peds
so is pac probly
and floyd
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JMM probly is on peds
so is pac probly
and floyd
They say you're not trying if you're not cheating... Considering how much money is involved it wouldnt surprise me if they all are. Also when I think about how high of a pedestal people hold them why not let them just take horse steroids and appear to be the superheroes that most of the general public see them as.
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I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.
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The average age of the current ESPN pound for pound top ten is nearly thirty four. In 1990 it was twenty six.
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Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach.
But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''
Yeah but your source, even though extremely relevant doesn't count because the guy has forgotten more about boxing than what you'll ever now ;D
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Its so conspicuous that Marquez isn't carrying that muscle naturally
Clearly enhanced with anabolics
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Its so conspicuous that Marquez isn't carrying that muscle naturally
Clearly enhanced with anabolics
Any more suspicious than Pacquiao that went from 105 to now, winning in 7 different weight categories?
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Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach.
But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''
Yeah but your source, even though extremely relevant doesn't count because the guy has forgotten more about boxing than what you'll ever now ;D
Thanks, I forgot