Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit

[Howlin Mad Missy]

OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.

The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.

Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.

Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.

I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.

EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?

How much was he squatting out of interest?

Two plates (235lbs) and he only did one rep,not really a massive amount of weight. But I guess for a his size its alot

When I used to weight train I could squat that AND I could walk afterwards training 5/6 times a week

And it didn't tell you what phase of training he was in when doing that.

[Beanz]

OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.

The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.

Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.

Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.

I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.

EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?

How much was he squatting out of interest?

Two plates (235lbs) and he only did one rep,not really a massive amount of weight. But I guess for a his size its alot

When I used to weight train I could squat that AND I could walk afterwards training 5/6 times a week

And it didn't tell you what phase of training he was in when doing that.

That would explain those lovely glutes

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I was looking to improve explosive power...like Marquez

[TheBranMan]

Gotta love how the Pactards throw accusations at JMM after unequivocally embarrassing Pacquiao - when the Filipino himself is a long-time suspected PED user. Give Marquez the credit he deserves for finally being able to take the corrupt judges out of the equation in his (rightful) 4th win against the Pacquiao hype-machine... and at nearly 40 years old (Pac's only 33).

[Jokatech]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

[IamInuit]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

You are a daft piss ant.

[ross]

There is no way either of these two are clean, to me anyway.

Yes Marquez looked more muscular than before but hes always been an awesome boxer, all hes done is gone in there on level terms.

Looking at those over hand rights that dropped Manny though. Imagine the carnage that a young Mayorga would have caused!

[TitoFan]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

I was surprised as anyone over the ferocity of JMM's KO punch of Manny. But I've watched the video over and over again. Your assertion that Marquez didn't turn into the punch is wrong. As with his 1st knockdown of Manny, Marquez threw his whole body into the punch. The knockout was a "perfect storm" of Marquez throwing a powerful right hand, Manny coming in aggresively with his hands down, and the punch connecting cleanly on Manny's jaw. Not only that... the punch landed at its most dangerous point of the arc, where it was still a short punch. It's small wonder Pac was out.

I'm a fan of both fighters and no need to dis one or the other. Pac gave a spirited effort, which is more than I can say about the Bradley fight. Marquez just caught him with the perfect punch. PEDS or no PEDS, that punch was going to knock Pac out.

[JonesJrMayweather]

In all honesty the first thing I thought when I saw JMM was "is he juiced?".... 39 year old man adding that kind of new natural muscle? I wanted JMM to win because of the fights he should have won against PAC. It's only natural to wonder especially when his new trainer was associated with BALCO.

[ryanman]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

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[Howlin Mad Missy]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFzCBbOXKc

[AdamGB]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

Didn't turn into the punch?! Wow, you're a moron... He dropped his shoulder into the shot perfectly and landed right on the chin.

JMM has rattled Pac with the counter SEVERAL times, after almost 50 rounds together and moving up several weight classes I don't see how you can honestly say that it was anything other than highly probable.

Pac did the same thing to Ricky Hatton (worse even) and at a LOWER weight, when it happens to Hatton you don't question it... When it happens to Pac it's 'in a way only a heavyweight would have been'. Double standards much.

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[fan johnny]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

Didn't turn into the punch?! Wow, you're a moron... He dropped his shoulder into the shot perfectly and landed right on the chin.

JMM has rattled Pac with the counter SEVERAL times, after almost 50 rounds together and moving up several weight classes I don't see how you can honestly say that it was anything other than highly probable.

Pac did the same thing to Ricky Hatton (worse even) and at a LOWER weight, when it happens to Hatton you don't question it... When it happens to Pac it's 'in a way only a heavyweight would have been'. Double standards much.

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I can agree with some of what is written. That KO punch was by design but the majority of the reason it happened was because of carelessness on Pacquiao part. Marquez lured Pacuqiao in and absorbed a punch to get the counter in. Same "tactic" Martinez used against Williams and Donaire used on Monteil hust not the same punch.

[Spicoli]

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

'Nuff yapping new guy, get back to work!