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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Fenster
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Dia bando
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Fenster
Golovkin is an excellent fighter but is overrated (imo). He is very heavy handed but not Julian Jackson.
I reckon he'd look bamboozled by Martinez style, and his static head is ripe to be blasted from all angles. I even think a Macklin level guy putting constant pressure on him would give him problems. I see a Kostya Tszyu-Vince Phillips moment for him.
I can only see Martinez on a heap on the floor, Sergio has been on the canvas a good few time's, if he face's
Golovkin will KO him with in 6 rounds , and I feel make it look easy forget the Brit pack he will eat them alive sorry to say it.! Seen many Middle- weight Champions over the years, and I feel Golovkin a bit
special .;)
You sure are confident about a fighter that took 5 rounds to stop Proksa, 7 rounds to force a corner stoppage against Rosado and went 10 rounds with Ouma.
Surely you accept Martinez is in a different league to those guys? Martinez has the ability to crack shots into his big static head, that's when we'll see how good Golovkin really is.
I too have seen many middleweight champions over the years... he doesn't look anything super special.
We'll see though ;)
Martinez is no Hagler there again nether is Golovkin, but of the middle weights about now Golovkin is
the best of the bunch, Proska is a very good contender, and no push over, Rosado took a beating to
tough for his own good.Martinez is a good light-middle he is no great middle-weight in my eyes, it's
what you like, he's not to my taste. Golovkin is a better boxer, look at his foot work , the way he cut's off the ring, his punch power that one thing about boxing we can agree to disagree Bud.;D
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He needs some work. Way too much is being made too early and while talent-power is obvious he hasn't faced anything remotely close to the neighborhood of a Martinez. I see him a bit one deminsional thus far and the movement he faced in a punch prone Rosado (one out of panic and preservation mostly)...and the movement a Martinez brings (shifting you into your own momentum and countering) is nothing similiar. Rosado showed mass balls but he was also badly hurt in more than a few of his recent fights. Golovkin might...may...coulda...woulda all he wants but you have to deal with what is actually happening. Golovkins defense is apparently his offence largely, that head is prone to left hooks among other things. HBO is determined to put a cape and theme music to him this early but he is no Chavez sr or Tyson, he's a guy who is 30 yrs old and has yet to complete 10 rounds with a strong fan friendly attack and solid potential, but let him walk before he runs.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Dia bando
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Fenster
Golovkin is an excellent fighter but is overrated (imo). He is very heavy handed but not Julian Jackson.
I reckon he'd look bamboozled by Martinez style, and his static head is ripe to be blasted from all angles. I even think a Macklin level guy putting constant pressure on him would give him problems. I see a Kostya Tszyu-Vince Phillips moment for him.
I can only see Martinez on a heap on the floor, Sergio has been on the canvas a good few time's, if he face's
Golovkin will KO him with in 6 rounds , and I feel make it look easy forget the Brit pack he will eat them alive sorry to say it.! Seen many Middle- weight Champions over the years, and I feel Golovkin a bit
special .;)
You sure are confident about a fighter that took 5 rounds to stop Proksa, 7 rounds to force a corner stoppage against Rosado and went 10 rounds with Ouma.
Surely you accept Martinez is in a different league to those guys? Martinez has the ability to crack shots into his big static head, that's when we'll see how good Golovkin really is.
I too have seen many middleweight champions over the years... he doesn't look anything super special.
We'll see though ;)
Martinez is no Hagler there again nether is Golovkin, but of the middle weights about now Golovkin is
the best of the bunch, Proska is a very good contender, and no push over, Rosado took a beating to
tough for his own good.Martinez is a good light-middle he is no great middle-weight in my eyes, it's
what you like, he's not to my taste. Golovkin is a better boxer, look at his foot work , the way he cut's off the ring, his punch power that one thing about boxing we can agree to disagree Bud.;D
I agree Martinez is not a natural middleweight but he's already beat middleweights that rank in a different stratosphere to anyone Golovkin has faced.
Proksa's form doesn't look very good now that Barker destroyed Kerry Hope so easily. Rosado was a light-middleweight that has been ironed out before. For such a "super fighter" he doesn't have the form to back it up, or, to my eye, the super talent many of you think.
The more I think about him the more I see him as overrated. I could be wrong though ;)
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Spicoli
He needs some work. Way too much is being made too early and while talent-power is obvious he hasn't faced anything remotely close to the neighborhood of a Martinez. I see him a bit one deminsional thus far and the movement he faced in a punch prone Rosado (one out of panic and preservation mostly)...and the movement a Martinez brings (shifting you into your own momentum and countering) is nothing similiar. Rosado showed mass balls but he was also badly hurt in more than a few of his recent fights. Golovkin might...may...coulda...woulda all he wants but you have to deal with what is actually happening. Golovkins defense is apparently his offence largely, that head is prone to left hooks among other things. HBO is determined to put a cape and theme music to him this early but he is no Chavez sr or Tyson, he's a guy who is 30 yrs old and has yet to complete 10 rounds with a strong fan friendly attack and solid potential, but let him walk before he runs.
Well we will have to see if, Sergio faces Golovkin it wont last long he will beat Sergio badly.;)
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Spicoli
He needs some work. Way too much is being made too early and while talent-power is obvious he hasn't faced anything remotely close to the neighborhood of a Martinez. I see him a bit one deminsional thus far and the movement he faced in a punch prone Rosado (one out of panic and preservation mostly)...and the movement a Martinez brings (shifting you into your own momentum and countering) is nothing similiar. Rosado showed mass balls but he was also badly hurt in more than a few of his recent fights. Golovkin might...may...coulda...woulda all he wants but you have to deal with what is actually happening. Golovkins defense is apparently his offence largely, that head is prone to left hooks among other things. HBO is determined to put a cape and theme music to him this early but he is no Chavez sr or Tyson, he's a guy who is 30 yrs old and has yet to complete 10 rounds with a strong fan friendly attack and solid potential, but let him walk before he runs.
Exactly my position.
HBO selling him as the second coming, even though he wasn't doing anything special, definitely influences people.
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Last night was very telling. Here you have a fringe contender who cant crack an egg moving up a division and he actually showed kinks in GGG's armour. He connected lots and actually buzzed him a couple of times. If Rosado had a little pop he may have been able to save his legs and stop the corralling. GGG has major issues with lateral movement and movement generally. Excuse me gentleman but the suggestion that he wipes the floor with Martinez is hilarious.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Dia bando
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Spicoli
He needs some work. Way too much is being made too early and while talent-power is obvious he hasn't faced anything remotely close to the neighborhood of a Martinez. I see him a bit one deminsional thus far and the movement he faced in a punch prone Rosado (one out of panic and preservation mostly)...and the movement a Martinez brings (shifting you into your own momentum and countering) is nothing similiar. Rosado showed mass balls but he was also badly hurt in more than a few of his recent fights. Golovkin might...may...coulda...woulda all he wants but you have to deal with what is actually happening. Golovkins defense is apparently his offence largely, that head is prone to left hooks among other things. HBO is determined to put a cape and theme music to him this early but he is no Chavez sr or Tyson, he's a guy who is 30 yrs old and has yet to complete 10 rounds with a strong fan friendly attack and solid potential, but let him walk before he runs.
Well we will have to see if, Sergio faces Golovkin it wont last long he will beat Sergio badly.;)
And if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his arse when he hopped ;) We'll see. Hey, I hope it does happen. Golovkin has the marketing going but he needs to make a definitive statement with Martinez seeing the Jr rematch on the horizon. Personally I hope that one falls through.
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Martinez is not impossible to hit watch any of his fights and you will see that he can be caught. Golovkin is by no means perfect and can also be caught but his ability to close down the ring and hurt people is better than Sergios IMO. People are talking as though GGG is a hype job invented by the network. The Guy has garnered that attention by Knocking guys out left right and centre and looking classy while doing so. Being from Kazakhstan is not really going to attract a lot of hangers on and neutrals if he was not supplying the goods. The better the fighter you put him in with the more he ups his game. There is no better Middleweight at the moment than Martinez and that is why Golovkin would be in his element. There is little money in it for a guy like Sergio at the end of his career and so he will probably be avoided but Geale and Quillin should be next on GG's radar. They will look like an easy breakfast.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Greenbeanz
Martinez is not impossible to hit watch any of his fights and you will see that he can be caught. Golovkin is by no means perfect and can also be caught but his ability to close down the ring and hurt people is better than Sergios IMO. People are talking as though GGG is a hype job invented by the network. The Guy has garnered that attention by Knocking guys out left right and centre and looking classy while doing so. Being from Kazakhstan is not really going to attract a lot of hangers on and neutrals if he was not supplying the goods. The better the fighter you put him in with the more he ups his game. There is no better Middleweight at the moment than Martinez and that is why Golovkin would be in his element. There is little money in it for a guy like Sergio at the end of his career and so he will probably be avoided but Geale and Quillin should be next on GG's radar. They will look like an easy breakfast.
Yes Beanz You and I no quilty, you philistines.;D
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rantcatrat
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Dia bando
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Greenbeanz
He is all wrong for Sergio. Great champion but GG by KO.
I'm in total agreement with Beanz, I can only see Sergio being badly ko,d , in fact he will make it
look easy.;)
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Dia bando - Perhaps, but first the Argentine will send another fighter from the UK back bloodied and disfigured when he decapitatates Martin Murray in April. For the record, that will mark his third time recently doing so. What does Sergio Martinez have against you guys anyway? ;D Bitter about the Falkland Islands?
Wtf are u on about? 'Falkland islands'
My uncle fought in that conflict so show some fuckin respect. This is boxing not politics.
I didn't mean any disrespect and I apologize if you were disrespected by the comment.
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Golovkin is talented. He hits like a mule. However, let's see him beat a Darren Barker or Matthew Macklin to gauge where he is at the moment. A fight with Junior would be good too.
Do we still favor him over Kid Chocolate?
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Rantcatrat
Golovkin is talented. He hits like a mule. However, let's see him beat a Darren Barker or Matthew Macklin to gauge where he is at the moment. A fight with Junior would be good too.
I'm afraid they would take a beating ,Barker Macklin , and Jr,.;)
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Dia bando
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Rantcatrat
Golovkin is talented. He hits like a mule. However, let's see him beat a Darren Barker or Matthew Macklin to gauge where he is at the moment. A fight with Junior would be good too.
I'm afraid they would take a beating ,Barker Macklin , and Jr,.;)
It would be good fights, as well as Quillin.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Rantcatrat
Golovkin is talented. He hits like a mule. However, let's see him beat a Darren Barker or Matthew Macklin to gauge where he is at the moment. A fight with Junior would be good too.
Do we still favor him over Kid Chocolate?
I was going to mention both those guys and I personally believe Darren could beat him. I'm not saying the dude is not good but he's not the juggernaut his followers claim him to be. Perhaps it was the opponent and maybe he kind of put his training on cruise control but he showed all kinds of holes last night that could be exploited.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Greenbeanz
Martinez is not impossible to hit watch any of his fights and you will see that he can be caught. Golovkin is by no means perfect and can also be caught but his ability to close down the ring and hurt people is better than Sergios IMO. People are talking as though GGG is a hype job invented by the network. The Guy has garnered that attention by Knocking guys out left right and centre and looking classy while doing so. Being from Kazakhstan is not really going to attract a lot of hangers on and neutrals if he was not supplying the goods. The better the fighter you put him in with the more he ups his game. There is no better Middleweight at the moment than Martinez and that is why Golovkin would be in his element. There is little money in it for a guy like Sergio at the end of his career and so he will probably be avoided but Geale and Quillin should be next on GG's radar. They will look like an easy breakfast.
Fan's are overrating him because of his amatuer record not just HBO. He's not the wrecking ball he's being portrayed as, he's busting guys up not icing them, and it's against c/d level competition.
Sergio has beaten 7 middleweights in a row that are superior to anyone Golovkin has ever faced. You may be right that he'll perform better up in class, but that has to be proven.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Fenster
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Greenbeanz
Martinez is not impossible to hit watch any of his fights and you will see that he can be caught. Golovkin is by no means perfect and can also be caught but his ability to close down the ring and hurt people is better than Sergios IMO. People are talking as though GGG is a hype job invented by the network. The Guy has garnered that attention by Knocking guys out left right and centre and looking classy while doing so. Being from Kazakhstan is not really going to attract a lot of hangers on and neutrals if he was not supplying the goods. The better the fighter you put him in with the more he ups his game. There is no better Middleweight at the moment than Martinez and that is why Golovkin would be in his element. There is little money in it for a guy like Sergio at the end of his career and so he will probably be avoided but Geale and Quillin should be next on GG's radar. They will look like an easy breakfast.
Fan's are overrating him because of his amatuer record not just HBO. He's not the wrecking ball he's being portrayed as, he's busting guys up not icing them, and it's against c/d level competition.
Sergio has beaten 7 middleweights in a row that are superior to anyone Golovkin has ever faced. You may be right that he'll perform better up in class, but that has to be proven.
I predict he will put Sergio on his back.;D
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Dia bando
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Fenster
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Greenbeanz
Martinez is not impossible to hit watch any of his fights and you will see that he can be caught. Golovkin is by no means perfect and can also be caught but his ability to close down the ring and hurt people is better than Sergios IMO. People are talking as though GGG is a hype job invented by the network. The Guy has garnered that attention by Knocking guys out left right and centre and looking classy while doing so. Being from Kazakhstan is not really going to attract a lot of hangers on and neutrals if he was not supplying the goods. The better the fighter you put him in with the more he ups his game. There is no better Middleweight at the moment than Martinez and that is why Golovkin would be in his element. There is little money in it for a guy like Sergio at the end of his career and so he will probably be avoided but Geale and Quillin should be next on GG's radar. They will look like an easy breakfast.
Fan's are overrating him because of his amatuer record not just HBO. He's not the wrecking ball he's being portrayed as, he's busting guys up not icing them, and it's against c/d level competition.
Sergio has beaten 7 middleweights in a row that are superior to anyone Golovkin has ever faced. You may be right that he'll perform better up in class, but that has to be proven.
I predict he will put Sergio on his back.;D
You may well be right.
But on current form I predict Sergio blasts that big static head all over the shop whilst Max Kellerman is waxing lyrical about Golovkin's "Tyson power" ;)
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Fenster
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Dia bando
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Fenster
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Greenbeanz
Martinez is not impossible to hit watch any of his fights and you will see that he can be caught. Golovkin is by no means perfect and can also be caught but his ability to close down the ring and hurt people is better than Sergios IMO. People are talking as though GGG is a hype job invented by the network. The Guy has garnered that attention by Knocking guys out left right and centre and looking classy while doing so. Being from Kazakhstan is not really going to attract a lot of hangers on and neutrals if he was not supplying the goods. The better the fighter you put him in with the more he ups his game. There is no better Middleweight at the moment than Martinez and that is why Golovkin would be in his element. There is little money in it for a guy like Sergio at the end of his career and so he will probably be avoided but Geale and Quillin should be next on GG's radar. They will look like an easy breakfast.
Fan's are overrating him because of his amatuer record not just HBO. He's not the wrecking ball he's being portrayed as, he's busting guys up not icing them, and it's against c/d level competition.
Sergio has beaten 7 middleweights in a row that are superior to anyone Golovkin has ever faced. You may be right that he'll perform better up in class, but that has to be proven.
I predict he will put Sergio on his back.;D
You may well be right.
But on current form I predict Sergio blasts that big static head all over the shop whilst Max Kellerman is waxing lyrical about Golovkin's "Tyson power" ;)
Sergio will not fight, Golovkin at this point in his career because there is no money in it , and the fight
is far to dangers. Golovkin is not a house hold name, a great fight for the true fan, but the man on the
street Golovkin who is he,! can't see it happening myself.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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IamInuit
Last night was very telling. Here you have a fringe contender who cant crack an egg moving up a division and he actually showed kinks in GGG's armour. He connected lots and actually buzzed him a couple of times. If Rosado had a little pop he may have been able to save his legs and stop the corralling. GGG has major issues with lateral movement and movement generally. Excuse me gentleman but the suggestion that he wipes the floor with Martinez is hilarious.
Martinez is a far superior boxer, but I'm not certain his chin would hold up to Golovkin's power.
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IamInuit
Last night was very telling. Here you have a fringe contender who cant crack an egg moving up a division and he actually showed kinks in GGG's armour. He connected lots and actually buzzed him a couple of times. If Rosado had a little pop he may have been able to save his legs and stop the corralling. GGG has major issues with lateral movement and movement generally. Excuse me gentleman but the suggestion that he wipes the floor with Martinez is hilarious.
Martinez is a far superior boxer, but I'm not certain his chin would hold up to Golovkin's power.
Its certainly possible. Martinez is not getting any younger and chances are his reflexes will begin to erode as not everyone is Hopkins or Moore. Having said that I don't think GGG has much of a shot with today's version. I think Martinez's movement gives him fits. Then there is the speed and counters coming from the other side that he wont see ala Sanders/Wlad. And lastly the power. If he gets caught half as many times as he did last night by Martinez, I'm afraid the wheels may fall off the applecart. Truth is though I don't think he's on the menu. Martinez will go for the big money fights and is probably going to retire after a couple more
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
Don't forget 2 days ago GG was laid up ill in bed.
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Hmmmmm. Well I never made the much anticipated highlight reel by knocking out a Jr. middle fringe contender so I was sick.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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IamInuit
Hmmmmm. Well I never made the much anticipated highlight reel by knocking out a Jr. middle fringe contender so I was sick.
He was not the one predicting a KO Rosado was. He finished the fight in the 7th round why would he have to make excuses? 25 fights 25 wins 22 Knockouts. If he is as overhyped as people are claiming then there will be a queue waiting to take his belt and ranking off him. Not.:rolleyes:
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
MW Mike Tyson ? Hits harder than Chavez Sr. for his weight ?
Greatest middle weight KO artist ever ?
Or just a good titlist who struggled with a good Jr. Middleweight, never knocked him down, got the TKO win and had to qualify it with an 11th hour excuse.
I think Rosado proved more than Golvkin did, even in defeat.
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IamInuit
Hmmmmm. Well I never made the much anticipated highlight reel by knocking out a Jr. middle fringe contender so I was sick.
He was not the one predicting a KO Rosado was. He finished the fight in the 7th round why would he have to make excuses? 25 fights 25 wins 22 Knockouts. If he is as overhyped as people are claiming then there will be a queue waiting to take his belt and ranking off him. Not.:rolleyes:
Different page young Jedi. I never listen to fighters predictions. For the most part they are a crock of shit. I could care less what Rosado said. Whats he going to say I'm going to get killed? The entire planet was predicting this to be a steam rolling by the invincible destroyer of worlds. The replay of the fight is on right now if you get HBO and you might want to take it in again.
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IamInuit
Hmmmmm. Well I never made the much anticipated highlight reel by knocking out a Jr. middle fringe contender so I was sick.
Did you see that 'call' from his mother in the back they cut to during Salido v Garcia? That was some seriously staged damage control with mention to his illness, cough, and theatrics that would make Geraldo Rivera blush!
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Golovkin might be a tad bit overhyped, but shit its not like he lost a round. He's not a stylist he's gona get taged, he knows this he just plans to hit ya harder in return, yeah he did.n't knock rosado out but shit there were three or four moments where rosados whole body moved but he didn't go down surprisingly. A good performance and only a let down due to the immense hype.
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IamInuit
Hmmmmm. Well I never made the much anticipated highlight reel by knocking out a Jr. middle fringe contender so I was sick.
He was not the one predicting a KO Rosado was. He finished the fight in the 7th round why would he have to make excuses? 25 fights 25 wins 22.Knockouts. If he is as overhyped as people are claiming then there will be a queue waiting to take his belt and ranking off him. Not.:rolleyes:
. Totally agree.golavkin will be avoided like the plague!thought he looked pretty gd Saturday.he didn't get out ov first gear and smashed up rosado ov 7 rounds.ill or not this guys going to get better with better opposition.rosado at times was in survival mode.a remember watching the prokas fight and after the fight Darren barker was in the sky studio and was very impressed with golavkin and did not fancy fighting him.ad imagine he won't be the only 1 Martinez included.
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Golovkin might be a tad bit overhyped, but shit its not like he lost a round. He's not a stylist he's gona get taged, he knows this he just plans to hit ya harder in return, yeah he did.n't knock rosado out but shit there were three or four moments where rosados whole body moved but he didn't go down surprisingly. A good performance and only a let down due to the immense hype.
I don't fall for Hype myself, but I know a good fighter when I see one and Golovkin is one simple,
he was a Ko artist in the unpaid ranks and is doing so in the paid ranks.!
You have to admit Rosado was very tough, but he took far to many head punches the guy's in the
corner were very brave,letting him take a panning shit bags.
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Rantcatrat
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rantcatrat
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Dia bando
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Greenbeanz
He is all wrong for Sergio. Great champion but GG by KO.
I'm in total agreement with Beanz, I can only see Sergio being badly ko,d , in fact he will make it
look easy.;)
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Dia bando - Perhaps, but first the Argentine will send another fighter from the UK back bloodied and disfigured when he decapitatates Martin Murray in April. For the record, that will mark his third time recently doing so. What does Sergio Martinez have against you guys anyway? ;D Bitter about the Falkland Islands?
Wtf are u on about? 'Falkland islands'
My uncle fought in that conflict so show some fuckin respect. This is boxing not politics.
I didn't mean any disrespect and I apologize if you were disrespected by the comment.
Cool. No probs.
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What fight were you watching because I seen GR land a few jabs and get battered the rest of the time against a fighter who was ill prior to the bout. He wasn't even 100%.
Proksa and Rosado would have given any of the top 160-pounders a challenge regardless of how highly u rate them! Golovkin beat down two experienced, in-their-prime, well-schooled fighters — fighters who came in to win, didn’t give up, but were beat up, bloodied, and stopped. Give the guy his dues...
Golovkin was lined up for Geale, but Geale went elsewhere (i.e. Mundine).
Golovkin was signed to fight Pirog, but Pirog pulled out with injury.
Golovkin called out Sturm for two years, and Sturm continually went elsewhere (up until Geale beat his ass).
And rumours are around the net that Quillin was soundly beaten up by Golovkin in the gym (the rumour is that Golovkin actually KO’ed him, which is VERY rare for sparring, but reports consistently state that Golovkin spars hard)… and in an interview with Quillin on ESB he didn’t deny it… he just vaguely sidestepped the question.
Yes he needs to fight better competition, but it’s THE COMPETITION that is avoiding him, not the other way around. Does anyone really think Geale would beat a 100% GGG? 2013 is GGG's year.
Can't wait to see Pirog back too.
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THE PHILOSOPHER
What fight were you watching because I seen GR land a few jabs and get battered the rest of the time against a fighter who was ill prior to the bout. He wasn't even 100%.
Proksa and Rosado would have given any of the top 160-pounders a challenge regardless of how highly u rate them! Golovkin beat down two experienced, in-their-prime, well-schooled fighters — fighters who came in to win, didn’t give up, but were beat up, bloodied, and stopped. Give the guy his dues...
Golovkin was lined up for Geale, but Geale went elsewhere (i.e. Mundine).
Golovkin was signed to fight Pirog, but Pirog pulled out with injury.
Golovkin called out Sturm for two years, and Sturm continually went elsewhere (up until Geale beat his ass).
And rumours are around the net that Quillin was soundly beaten up by Golovkin in the gym (the rumour is that Golovkin actually KO’ed him, which is VERY rare for sparring, but reports consistently state that Golovkin spars hard)… and in an interview with Quillin on ESB he didn’t deny it… he just vaguely sidestepped the question.
Yes he needs to fight better competition, but it’s THE COMPETITION that is avoiding him, not the other way around. Does anyone really think Geale would beat a 100% GGG? 2013 is GGG's year.
Can't wait to see Pirog back too.
What you are saying is he is being avoided, I can't blame them the 3 top rated Brit's should give this
guy a wide berth.If they do I can see it ending in tears for them.:boxingmatch:
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
Because Golovkin didn't flatten Rosado in the way that many out there predicted he would, Golovkin now looks vulnerable. Consider though that Golovkin won every single round and that Rosado's face looked like a bloody mess when the fight was finished. Rosado is a junior middleweight but he is a big junior middleweight. I say that just because I didn't see a big size difference in the fight. I also have a higher opinion of Rosado than other people here. I think he's a cagey, calculated fighter...and, Golovkin beat him him pretty easily.
All that said, Rosado isn't a top ten middleweight. Golovkin still needs a defining fight at middleweight before we can start suggesting he would beat the lineal champion. It's unfair to Martinez.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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THE PHILOSOPHER
What fight were you watching because I seen GR land a few jabs and get battered the rest of the time against a fighter who was ill prior to the bout. He wasn't even 100%.
Proksa and Rosado would have given any of the top 160-pounders a challenge regardless of how highly u rate them! Golovkin beat down two experienced, in-their-prime, well-schooled fighters — fighters who came in to win, didn’t give up, but were beat up, bloodied, and stopped. Give the guy his dues...
Golovkin was lined up for Geale, but Geale went elsewhere (i.e. Mundine).
Golovkin was signed to fight Pirog, but Pirog pulled out with injury.
Golovkin called out Sturm for two years, and Sturm continually went elsewhere (up until Geale beat his ass).
And rumours are around the net that Quillin was soundly beaten up by Golovkin in the gym (the rumour is that Golovkin actually KO’ed him, which is VERY rare for sparring, but reports consistently state that Golovkin spars hard)… and in an interview with Quillin on ESB he didn’t deny it… he just vaguely sidestepped the question.
Yes he needs to fight better competition, but it’s THE COMPETITION that is avoiding him, not the other way around. Does anyone really think Geale would beat a 100% GGG? 2013 is GGG's year.
Can't wait to see Pirog back too.
Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
(a fighter signed to HBO has the backing to get top 10 fighters in the ring. Fact.)
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
So? Rosado actually looked the bigger man anyway. Fair play he was game but ultimately put in his place by a less than 100% GGG. I'm not really over-hyping the win it was just another stepping stone IMO. Note also that Rosado barely won a round as evidenced by the judges scores! Don't be so harsh on someone who was clearly operating below par anyway. He got the job done.
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Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Proksa was a stand in for undefeated Pirog who is easily a top 10 MW having dominated undefeated american prospect Jacobs and world class Ishida. U can't criticise a man for fighting a stand in (and a solid one at that!)...
Proksa debateably lost to Hope IMO. Hope won a close MD. They fought for a second time and Proksa stopped him! Proska also dominated Sylvester who pushed both Geale and Karmazin to to a SD! So he's not that bad is he? (Karmazin beat Echols. Tatevosyan. Ouma. Keith Holmes etc and only lost to Cory spinks by a close MD. )
Do u think Barker beat's Golovkin? Pirog if he get's fit beats Barker too IMO. Martinez may be the man now but he won't be in 2 years time and i doubt he will give GGG a shot any time soon. He is content to fight good but not great British MW's (a division that is neglected in britain due to the prominence of our SMW's like Calzaghe, Froch and Groves!) Im a Martinez fan anyway......
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Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
I know a good fighter when i see one. He more than backed it up in the AMS and will do so and is doing so as a pro too. All in good time....
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Rantcatrat
Because Golovkin didn't flatten Rosado in the way that many out there predicted he would, Golovkin now looks vulnerable. Consider though that Golovkin won every single round and that Rosado's face looked like a bloody mess when the fight was finished. Rosado is a junior middleweight but he is a big junior middleweight. I say that just because I didn't see a big size difference in the fight. I also have a higher opinion of Rosado than other people here. I think he's a cagey, calculated fighter...and, Golovkin beat him him pretty easily.
All that said, Rosado isn't a top ten middleweight. Golovkin still needs a defining fight at middleweight before we can start suggesting he would beat the lineal champion. It's unfair to Martinez.
I agree with most of that. Who do u want to see him fight next? Pirog or Barker would be good.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
I would like him to fight Quillon, Geale or Strum.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
So? Rosado actually looked the bigger man anyway. Fair play he was game but ultimately put in his place by a less than 100% GGG. I'm not really over-hyping the win it was just another stepping stone IMO. Note also that Rosado barely won a round as evidenced by the judges scores! Don't be so harsh on someone who was clearly operating below par anyway. He got the job done.
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Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Proksa was a stand in for undefeated Pirog who is easily a top 10 MW having dominated undefeated american prospect Jacobs and world class Ishida. U can't criticise a man for fighting a stand in (and a solid one at that!)...
Proksa debateably lost to Hope IMO. Hope won a close MD. They fought for a second time and Proksa stopped him! Proska also dominated Sylvester who pushed both Geale and Karmazin to to a SD! So he's not that bad is he? (Karmazin beat Echols. Tatevosyan. Ouma. Keith Holmes etc and only lost to Cory spinks by a close MD. )
Do u think Barker beat's Golovkin? Pirog if he get's fit beats Barker too IMO. Martinez may be the man now but he won't be in 2 years time and i doubt he will give GGG a shot any time soon. He is content to fight good but not great British MW's (a division that is neglected in britain due to the prominence of our SMW's like Calzaghe, Froch and Groves!) Im a Martinez fan anyway......
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Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
I know a good fighter when i see one. He more than backed it up in the AMS and will do so and is doing so as a pro too. All in good time....
1. All you Golovkin fans "know a good fighter when they see one?" Nobody is disagreeing with that. However, he is not "super fighter" until he steps up in class and proves it. Some of us prefer actual evidence. His current record is not a patch on Martinez.
2. I think he would beat Barker.
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
So? Rosado actually looked the bigger man anyway. Fair play he was game but ultimately put in his place by a less than 100% GGG. I'm not really over-hyping the win it was just another stepping stone IMO. Note also that Rosado barely won a round as evidenced by the judges scores! Don't be so harsh on someone who was clearly operating below par anyway. He got the job done.
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Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Proksa was a stand in for undefeated Pirog who is easily a top 10 MW having dominated undefeated american prospect Jacobs and world class Ishida. U can't criticise a man for fighting a stand in (and a solid one at that!)...
Proksa debateably lost to Hope IMO. Hope won a close MD. They fought for a second time and Proksa stopped him! Proska also dominated Sylvester who pushed both Geale and Karmazin to to a SD! So he's not that bad is he? (Karmazin beat Echols. Tatevosyan. Ouma. Keith Holmes etc and only lost to Cory spinks by a close MD. )
Do u think Barker beat's Golovkin? Pirog if he get's fit beats Barker too IMO. Martinez may be the man now but he won't be in 2 years time and i doubt he will give GGG a shot any time soon. He is content to fight good but not great British MW's (a division that is neglected in britain due to the prominence of our SMW's like Calzaghe, Froch and Groves!) Im a Martinez fan anyway......
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Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
I know a good fighter when i see one. He more than backed it up in the AMS and will do so and is doing so as a pro too. All in good time....
1. All you Golovkin fans "know a good fighter when they see one?" Nobody is disagreeing with that. However, he is not "super fighter" until he steps up in class and
proves it. Some of us prefer actual evidence. His current record is not a patch on Martinez.
2. I think he would beat Barker.
I never said he was super , but he is very good yes Martinez has a fine record as for stepping up in
class it seems the other Champions don't want to face him, is that his fault no I don't blame them
as boxing is about money, weather we like it or not it's a business.;)
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Re: Golovkin is the future of the MW division!
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Dia bando
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Rosado had 5 losses, had never fought for a "world" title and never fought at middleweight.
So? Rosado actually looked the bigger man anyway. Fair play he was game but ultimately put in his place by a less than 100% GGG. I'm not really over-hyping the win it was just another stepping stone IMO. Note also that Rosado barely won a round as evidenced by the judges scores! Don't be so harsh on someone who was clearly operating below par anyway. He got the job done.
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Proksa had lost to powderpuff puncher Kerry Hope, had never fought for a "world" title and Darren Barker, a man that proved himself world-class with his effort against THE real middleweight champion, then slaughtered Hope in 4 rounds making the Proksa form look rubbish.
Proksa was a stand in for undefeated Pirog who is easily a top 10 MW having dominated undefeated american prospect Jacobs and world class Ishida. U can't criticise a man for fighting a stand in (and a solid one at that!)...
Proksa debateably lost to Hope IMO. Hope won a close MD. They fought for a second time and Proksa stopped him! Proska also dominated Sylvester who pushed both Geale and Karmazin to to a SD! So he's not that bad is he? (Karmazin beat Echols. Tatevosyan. Ouma. Keith Holmes etc and only lost to Cory spinks by a close MD. )
Do u think Barker beat's Golovkin? Pirog if he get's fit beats Barker too IMO. Martinez may be the man now but he won't be in 2 years time and i doubt he will give GGG a shot any time soon. He is content to fight good but not great British MW's (a division that is neglected in britain due to the prominence of our SMW's like Calzaghe, Froch and Groves!) Im a Martinez fan anyway......
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Even if everyone is "ducking" Golovkin, until he actually beats proven world-class fighters, he is nothing more than potential. That's it.
I know a good fighter when i see one. He more than backed it up in the AMS and will do so and is doing so as a pro too. All in good time....
1. All you Golovkin fans "know a good fighter when they see one?" Nobody is disagreeing with that. However, he is not "super fighter" until he steps up in class and
proves it. Some of us prefer actual evidence. His current record is not a patch on Martinez.
2. I think he would beat Barker.
I never said he was super , but he is very good yes Martinez has a fine record as for stepping up in
class it seems the other Champions don't want to face him, is that his fault no I don't blame them
as boxing is about money, weather we like it or not it's a business.;)
Yeah boxing is a business and everyone is ducking him.
However, that still doesn't answer our questions about how good he really is. Lets hope the world stop ducking him so he can prove what a good fighter he is. Otherwise he'll be remembered as a hype job that never beat anyone.
