It's the manner of the destruction. He went through Macklin like a hot knife thru butter. Quicker and more relentless than one of Masters posting sprees with the economy of Fenster and attitude of Lyle after somebody put a bee in his dungarees.
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It's the manner of the destruction. He went through Macklin like a hot knife thru butter. Quicker and more relentless than one of Masters posting sprees with the economy of Fenster and attitude of Lyle after somebody put a bee in his dungarees.
He's obviously a force to be reckoned with. I need to see bigger better established comp meet the same fate before I'm making him out to be Godzirra though. Watching Proska get manhandled and shut out but Mora on Friday had me thinking. It'll be very interesting to see who they track down for next fight.
Golovkin is realer than Real Deal Holyfield
Your a nasty unsporting man, Lyle you just want to see GGG knock the shit out of Floyd.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
We can all hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYour a nasty unsporting man, Lyle you just want to see GGG knock the shit out of Floyd.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
GGG would KO Floyd, but to be fair Floyd is a WW, GGG should call out a solid SMW imo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWe can all hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYour a nasty unsporting man, Lyle you just want to see GGG knock the shit out of Floyd.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
There is hope guys. Floyd is getting close to 40 and there is always super middleweight.
Just think of all the respect he would get. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWe can all hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYour a nasty unsporting man, Lyle you just want to see GGG knock the shit out of Floyd.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
There is hope guys. Floyd is getting close to 40 and there is always super middleweight.
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Originally Posted by MasterJust think of all the respect he would get. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWe can all hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYour a nasty unsporting man, Lyle you just want to see GGG knock the shit out of Floyd.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
There is hope guys. Floyd is getting close to 40 and there is always super middleweight.
Well played sir. Well played.
Look at who Quillin has faced
Look at who GGG has faced
GGG hype is garbage
You clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Yeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Proksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
You are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
No one has brought anyone's race into the mix so don't try and play that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
Anything in particular bothers you let us know. I must have missed any clear racism.
Box on.
Ishida is a better win than NDam? That's garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisNo one has brought anyone's race into the mix so don't try and play that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
Anything in particular bothers you let us know. I must have missed any clear racism.
Box on.
Possibly, your opinion. Racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIshida is a better win than NDam? That's garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisNo one has brought anyone's race into the mix so don't try and play that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
Anything in particular bothers you let us know. I must have missed any clear racism.
Box on.
Lets let it go now.
If Broner had that resume at 31 he would be laughed at that's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisPossibly, your opinion. Racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIshida is a better win than NDam? That's garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisNo one has brought anyone's race into the mix so don't try and play that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
Anything in particular bothers you let us know. I must have missed any clear racism.
Box on.
Lets let it go now.
NDam is a game fighter but isnt very strong and has beaten a lot of nobodies. I think there is not much difference between him and Ishida. He has lost his only fight outside of his home country which is usually a tell tale sign of what your level is.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIshida is a better win than NDam? That's garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisNo one has brought anyone's race into the mix so don't try and play that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
Anything in particular bothers you let us know. I must have missed any clear racism.
Box on.
Who has Broner beat? Struggled with an old Mallignaggi and many think he lost to DPDL and Fernando Quintero. His resume is very similar to Golovkins. They have had similar number of fights. Why does age matter GGG turned pro late as he stayed amateur a lot longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIf Broner had that resume at 31 he would be laughed at that's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisPossibly, your opinion. Racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIshida is a better win than NDam? That's garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisNo one has brought anyone's race into the mix so don't try and play that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
Anything in particular bothers you let us know. I must have missed any clear racism.
Box on.
Lets let it go now.
Dont get me wrong I think Broner is class, which goes against what most people on this forum think, but your really contradicting your argument here saying his resume is better then Golovkins
Yes but Golovkin is 31 and Ishida is his 3rd or 4th best win this is getting sad to see someone get such undue credit, I don't think Ishida would even beat Winky now, it's whatever just a shame and a bit of a disgrace to boxers who earned what they got.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWho has Broner beat? Struggled with an old Mallignaggi and many think he lost to DPDL and Fernando Quintero. His resume is very similar to Golovkins. They have had similar number of fights. Why does age matter GGG turned pro late as he stayed amateur a lot longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIf Broner had that resume at 31 he would be laughed at that's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisPossibly, your opinion. Racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeIshida is a better win than NDam? That's garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisNo one has brought anyone's race into the mix so don't try and play that card.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYou are clearly a racist fanboy, you think Ishida is an ATG win man you are sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProksa is better then Guerrero. So what that he lost? Guerrero lost to fucking Grady Brewer, has beaten no one of note and looks shit when he fights. Proksa has shown glimpses of class before he fought GGG but GGG looks to have ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeYeah name another GGG win better than those and don't say Proska since he loss. You love GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly know fuck all about boxing. Who has quillin fought? A fucking 42 year old Ronald Wright who hadnt been in the ring for over 2 years and hadnyt won in 6 years? An average fighter in Hassan N Dam and Fernando Guerrero who would both lose to Macklin. Get a fucking grip manQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
IUshida is a tough fighter who went the distance with Pirog, Williams, Alvarez and everyone he has fought, except GGG.
You clearly have no idea about boxing mate so Im not replying to you again
Anything in particular bothers you let us know. I must have missed any clear racism.
Box on.
Lets let it go now.
Dont get me wrong I think Broner is class, which goes against what most people on this forum think, but your really contradicting your argument here saying his resume is better then Golovkins
I totally understand what @Onetime is talking about from purely the boxing perspective.
It cracks me up. People watch the Broner fight and he’s a piece of dog shit because he didn’t iron Paulie out and struggled some but little heed is paid to the style match up. In this one Macklin gets crushed as expected because of a style match up and GGG is the next coming of Christ. Lets be honest here, he had more problems with Rosado because he moved and was but a tad slick.
I watched the British post fight online because Lapdog and gang make me want to hurl and Barker had a confident reserve about him. I’m still convinced Barker could beat him
Last night it looked like he cut the ring off like nobody has since Hagler but he cut off the ring against a guy that never knew how to use one at least defensively.
Ok I broke my self imposed Bronercott but the comparison begged to be made. One guy is much adored going into his last fight and the other despised. Imo many of the conclusions drawn are based on that fact rather then the field of play.
Yes because he turned pro late, it doesnt make a difference how old are you. Khan is 26, his career was in much better shape when he was 23 or 24. Id say he would love to be in GGGs position at 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Martinez is 38. At 31 he was in a very similar position to GGG.
Barker gets stopped as quick as Macklin. No doubt. Apart from him not having any trouble with Rosado, winning every second of every round. If you watch the fight and the post fight interview you can see GGG was sick. And he apologises for not doing better because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Though he won't have the ring wear of guys who turned pro younger his body will start breaking down based on age alone GGG does not deserve this hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYes because he turned pro late, it doesnt make a difference how old are you. Khan is 26, his career was in much better shape when he was 23 or 24. Id say he would love to be in GGGs position at 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Martinez is 38. At 31 he was in a very similar position to GGG.
Look I know what I saw and stand by my opinion. Barker knows how to use the ring and is much more fundamentally sound then Macklin in every category except leading with his face. He did have more problems with Rosado so I'm not sure what you were watching. Rosado also landed ten times more then Macklin but cant crack a wet paper towel unfortunately but still managed dare I say to buzz this juggernaut in one of the rounds. Look it was a good win for this Kat but he's lucky most in the division are phone booth fighters and not movers. Martinez could be given a 30 foot ring today and he most likely wont win. His legs are going at a rapid pace and as matter of fact he looked like the guy that got old overnight last time out and lost his legs in the Chavez fight long before the hail mary landed. Just as is the case with Broner time will tell. As you mentioned earlier I think Triple G is going to have a hard time getting a meaningful fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeBarker gets stopped as quick as Macklin. No doubt. Apart from him not having any trouble with Rosado, winning every second of every round. If you watch the fight and the post fight interview you can see GGG was sick. And he apologises for not doing better because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
GGG impressed where Broner disappointed.
GGG against Geale/Barker will be fun. Favor GGG. GGG beats anyone at 160, unless Martinez still has his legs. If he does, he could beat GGG. Otherwise, GGG stops Junior, Canelo, Kid Choc., Barker, N'Jikam, Geale, or Sturm.
This say what you want about opposition but he's looked impressive . yeah he took shots from rosado but he finished the guy he's not a very defensive minded fight, and what he lost a round or two to the guy? He blasted out macklin, who was ring ranked, did the same to proska who was also ring ranked, hindsight is hindsight. Also I know its a different world but you don't have the success golo had in the amateurs without being halfway decent. A poster in another thread said he would be impressed with golo if he was to ktfo out bute, well he did that in the amateurs in like 2 rounds...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
He also didnt lose any rounds to Rosado. Golovkin out landed him in all rounds. I think it was 60-45 on all scorecards at the time the fight endedQuote:
Originally Posted by arminThis say what you want about opposition but he's looked impressive . yeah he took shots from rosado but he finished the guy he's not a very defensive minded fight, and what he lost a round or two to the guy? He blasted out macklin, who was ring ranked, did the same to proska who was also ring ranked, hindsight is hindsight. Also I know its a different world but you don't have the success golo had in the amateurs without being halfway decent. A poster in another thread said he would be impressed with golo if he was to ktfo out bute, well he did that in the amateurs in like 2 rounds...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
It was a impressive ko..but it was exactly what was predicted, just earlier. I'm not knocking the guy but after every massivly pushed guy gets a ko, as predicted, we need to take a breath. I really dont knock him or think he needs excuses for Rosado either. But Rosado is Rosado. I'm not familiar with Proksa in a big way but I'm always a little weary of 'he totally ruined the guy'. Or did his level just max out and again against Mora not 8,9 months later. I mean Rosado had been brutally starched by pressure previously then beat to a pulp with Golovkin only to go on to shine and beat an unbeaten prospect. Its clear he needs bigger, better conflicts and there are guys out there but its a far stretch to label him some world class indestructable cyborg knocking down walls and making class Champions wet the bed.
When other pro boxers, his opponents, contemporaries and people in and around boxing join the chorus it is very easy to join in, but even with both fingers in my ears my eyes are screaming out quality to me. Myself and Dia have said it for quite a while but its not difficult to be excited by an old school throwback who means business and brings it, time and again.
I know a lot of people feel Quillen has not proven himself. Perhaps some truth is in this but I still think he and GGG would make for a good fight. The hype around GGG is much different than the Broner hype. GGG seems like a decent, humble guy who deserves a lot of buzz if not hype about his skills. Broners hype appears to be seventy percent promotional. Despite people's lack of faith in Quillen I think he will prove himself to be amongst the elite. How about GGG and Rusian. It would be interesting to see a couple of these ex Soviet Block fighters go at it. These guys must have an intense training camp. I think they use Volkswagens in place of heavybags
I'm with ya there Beanz, he's quality and fans love strictly business and knockouts. Up until now hes done whats been asked of him and has a fondness for beating guys up, but the guys he is dusting over last few are far removed from the better ones he is already being made a certainy over without so much as a second thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I think your right about Quillin, to me he has improved much and deserves his own push. I hope these two fight it out!!Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
And while he's startin get hype from the media, he isn't getting "saviour of boxing hype" ala broner, plus its much easier to like a guy when he's not constantly claiming to be the best thing since sliced butter. Obviously he still has to prove himself as elite, and well he can only beat who'll get in the ring with him. from all accounts sturm wasn't to fond of getting in the ring, nor is degale. I do think he'd be less effective at 168 and id make him underdog to the top 2 or 3 guys there, but he'd be a live dog, but with his body he really should stay at 160.
Of course he's going to get hyped and especially by HBO and as Max said last night on Hbo's The Fight Game, its getting to the point where an actual boxing contest is considered boring and almost taboo. That is not verbatim but its the jist of it. Instant gratification runs this planet and why should boxing be any different? They better be careful though because the middleweight division is not all that deep. They might hype themselves right out of the contest.
"He's the best I ever fought. He never really allowed me to get started. He has clubbing power and you can really feel the weight of every punch he throws." Matthew Macklin
“He’s a f__king beast,” said Coyne, a 20-0 cruiserweight prospect who has recently dropped down to light heavyweight. “He’s been running guys out of here. Nobody under 175 pounds will spar with him.
“I’ve sparred with heavyweights who can punch, including Mariusz Wach and Mike Perez, nobody has hit me as hard as Golovkin. His power is out of this world.” Ryan Coyne
“When I first saw him I thought he was the spitting image of Chavez, and it turns out that he fights like him too,” said Jackson, who brought Rogers, his nephew, up the mountain to soak up the professional environment Sanchez has created and, admittedly, to see what all the fuss over Golovkin was about.
“I liked his work ethic before I even knew it was him,” Jackson continued. “Oh man, he trains like an animal! But once he got into the ring, I saw things that reminded me of Chavez. He’s strong and aggressive, but he’s also very accurate with every punch. And I like the body work. That reminds me of Julio.” Julian Jackson
“The dude can hit, I’m still getting used to it,” said Imoesiri, who like Coyne, is delightfully bright and articulate. “It’s crazy. I sparred with [undefeated WBA heavyweight beltholder] Alexander Povetkin and he never hurt me like this guy.
“I must have done 50 rounds while in camp with Povetkin and it was three and half weeks before he hit me with something that made me hold on. With Golovkin I was ready to get out of the ring 45 seconds into our first round of sparring. He hit me with two lefts to the body in the identical spot and had me doubled over. I got through it but it’s hard to defend against 6-inch punches with that much pop. He backs me into a corner with just a jab.
“And it seems like he does it effortlessly.” David Imoesiri
Gym Notes: Giant-killer Golovkin looks ready for Proksa | RingTV
Good post. Golovkin is special. I HATE HYPE! I can not stand endless hype especially when it is predicated on little more then pure potential. Whatever GGG has, it's something special. I am on the hype train, he has power that is just unreal and he fights so Damn calm. Not saying he's Mayweather or Pacquaio but to me he is just as captivating right now.
Yes, he is clearly for real. He walked through Macklin, but you could see the intelligence in doing so. He was busting Macklin up with EVERY punch. Both eyes were screwed and then that peach of a body shot that doubled Macklin over. I sat there and thought to myself 'That was something special'. He should be a lot of fun over the next few years.
I think Martinez is old now and has been getting older, but they have to fight. You have to fight him and pass the torch on. I don't see what Martinez could do with his fading legs and hands down style. I can see him getting stopped in 6. Prime Martinez would do much better, but he isn't in his prime with all these injuries and age creeping up.