Danny Garcia vs Lucas Mattysse

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Originally Posted by armin

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Originally Posted by CFH

Count me amongst those who have this as a pick 'em. Matthysse has the edge in power and experience, but there is an air about Garcia that makes me think he is a special fighter. This feels a lot like the build-up to the Pavlik-Miranda fight where we saw a hyped up power-puncher get taken apart by a bigger, more skilled opponent.

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Lucas is nothing like miranda, miranda couldn't box for shit! Lucas is a good enough boxer puncher that he should have got the decisions in both his losses, both of whom are some dam good boxers. I mean miranda was as crude as they come to compare lucas to that is doing him a big disservice.

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I'm not really comparing the fighters, just the general feeling in the build up. At that time, Miranda was thought of as a murderous puncher who everyone was ducking and Pavlik was seen by many to be a sacrificial lamb. However, like Garcia, he was bigger than his opponent and a better boxer. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see the same result here, though I hope I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by armin

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Originally Posted by CFH

Count me amongst those who have this as a pick 'em. Matthysse has the edge in power and experience, but there is an air about Garcia that makes me think he is a special fighter. This feels a lot like the build-up to the Pavlik-Miranda fight where we saw a hyped up power-puncher get taken apart by a bigger, more skilled opponent.

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Lucas is nothing like miranda, miranda couldn't box for shit! Lucas is a good enough boxer puncher that he should have got the decisions in both his losses, both of whom are some dam good boxers. I mean miranda was as crude as they come to compare lucas to that is doing him a big disservice.

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I'm not really comparing the fighters, just the general feeling in the build up. At that time, Miranda was thought of as a murderous puncher who everyone was ducking and Pavlik was seen by many to be a sacrificial lamb. However, like Garcia, he was bigger than his opponent and a better boxer. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see the same result here, though I hope I am wrong.

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As I said before I think garcia has had a bit of luck and lucas hasn't and hell be more up for this than danny. Also I don't remember many people looking at pavlik as the sacrificial lamb but instead anticipating a crazy war but maybe my memory's off

If the peterson fight never happened what would be your honest view on matthysse?

Would he still be this monster?

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Originally Posted by imp

If the peterson fight never happened what would be your honest view on matthysse?

Would he still be this monster?

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I been high on matthyse for a few years the peterson fight has nothing to do with it, and never described him as a monster myself, so yeah i'd still think he's a bad man. I just think lucas credentials are a bit better and has had the better preparation thru his fights for this. but these are all opinions right now and maybe ill be shocked Saturday and danny kos lucas but I just don't see it happening.

The reason I'm picking Lucas is simply because I haven' t seen Garcia really outbox anyone aside of Judah maybe and..well Judah wasn't never a pure boxer as much as he was a fast guy who threw hard punches.

So in essence you have a power puncher who's patient against a slightly less powerful puncher who's more active and goes off balance less often. I can see a case for both fighters winning however Danny does not have sublime defense and well remember how Sweete Pete said he doesn't care of god throws punch because he can duck it? Lucas isn't god but my god you don't want to have his punches testing your chin.

My pick: Lucas Mathysse.

I honestly see Matthysse as a more complete package than Garcia and I think he will be suprised by his ability to box and invest to the body. Anyone thinking Lucas is just a bomb chucking clod needing or thirsting for a ko is reading more into a Peterson clubbing than the ones they accuse of doing so. Matthysse is an accumulative and strengthing fighter as a fight goes and Garcia, too me, looked rattled, stuck between styles and faded down the stretch vs Judah. Danny is very very live and fast of hand and both are riding huge momentum but both can also be hit. Of the two, I really think Garcia will land and runs a massive risk of then over commiting and not staying in the tight right package he'll need to as he attacks. Rinse -repeat or box off and let Mattysse feel some sting and use his legs up following. Matthysse lays his bricks a couple at a time, to body and head equally and he has the confidence of a guy not trying to light the fire before he sees smoke. All bs aside, I like Garcia and have said he's a breath of fresh air for the sport but I think Matthysse actually out thinks him and eventually grinds him down for a late win.

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Garcia is the naturally bigger fighter. And the more rounded fighter. He doesn't hit as hard as Matthyse. But he does possess good power. And I think he has the better chin.

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Those are some of the factors that make garcia the winner!

Come on danny.

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*what! im agreeing with u! damn... we r in for a crazy night of fights then... I also like Garcia. Matthese's power might be the best below 150 pounds, other than a couple of guys from the filipines... BUT, Garcia is not powder puff... Garcia is the real deal. I can see Matthese hurt very early in this one...

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by erics44

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I hope garcia wins.
No one likes him but he gets the job done.

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no one like his dad

if he was my dad id tell him not to come to the pressers

what an embarrassment

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I think he has helped danny to be honest eric in regards to the mental state of last few opponents

Perhaps not as much in this one because lucas dont speak english but im sure they translate some of the crap angel says.

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youre probably right

and its definately helped raise his profile

*I like Danny's dad, he tells it like he thinks he see's it. he's NOOOO different than a lot of Puerto Ricans I knew in the ARMY... a lot of energy, loud and crazy... and does he help Danny? hell yea it does... at the end of a presser, everyone's talking about this dude... it's mental warefare and no one does it better that Angel Garcia.

Danny's dad is OK for an ignorant bumbling racist.

This is the main event for me and I think Lucas will break Garcia down and lay down the hurt from the 6th onwards. If Judah is going to take the second half of the fight against you, then you are not going to do much against Mattyse down the stretch. I think Garcia will start fresh, but when he realises that he is in with an all round boxer puncher, he will start to get hurt.

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Originally Posted by imp

If the peterson fight never happened what would be your honest view on matthysse?

Would he still be this monster?

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@imp

Not as much of a monster. That's for sure. Peterson was coming off a big TKO win over Kendall Holt and Matthysse walked right through him.

Funny thing is that Peterson hasn't fought since and it's been more than six months and still no speculation about his next fight. He still has the belt too. It appears at least on first glance that Matthysse might have ruined Peterson's career.

The Peterson win is better than any win on Garcia's ledger too.

Is Garcia good enough to smother Matthysse's power or stay out of range of it? I think that might be difference in this fight.

In any event, gentlemen, this is going to be a first rate scrap that we're all looking forward to. May the best man win.

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Originally Posted by armin

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by armin

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Originally Posted by CFH

Count me amongst those who have this as a pick 'em. Matthysse has the edge in power and experience, but there is an air about Garcia that makes me think he is a special fighter. This feels a lot like the build-up to the Pavlik-Miranda fight where we saw a hyped up power-puncher get taken apart by a bigger, more skilled opponent.

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Lucas is nothing like miranda, miranda couldn't box for shit! Lucas is a good enough boxer puncher that he should have got the decisions in both his losses, both of whom are some dam good boxers. I mean miranda was as crude as they come to compare lucas to that is doing him a big disservice.

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I'm not really comparing the fighters, just the general feeling in the build up. At that time, Miranda was thought of as a murderous puncher who everyone was ducking and Pavlik was seen by many to be a sacrificial lamb. However, like Garcia, he was bigger than his opponent and a better boxer. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see the same result here, though I hope I am wrong.

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As I said before I think garcia has had a bit of luck and lucas hasn't and hell be more up for this than danny. Also I don't remember many people looking at pavlik as the sacrificial lamb but instead anticipating a crazy war but maybe my memory's off

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I remember there being some people who gave Pavlik a shot, but most thought that Miranda was going to knock him out. It's not really a very good comparison aside from the fact that I think perceptions of the fighters going in were somewhat similar.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by imp

If the peterson fight never happened what would be your honest view on matthysse?

Would he still be this monster?

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@imp

Not as much of a monster. That's for sure. Peterson was coming off a big TKO win over Kendall Holt and Matthysse walked right through him.

Funny thing is that Peterson hasn't fought since and it's been more than six months and still no speculation about his next fight. He still has the belt too. It appears at least on first glance that Matthysse might have ruined Peterson's career.

The Peterson win is better than any win on Garcia's ledger too.

Is Garcia good enough to smother Matthysse's power or stay out of range of it? I think that might be difference in this fight.

In any event, gentlemen, this is going to be a first rate scrap that we're all looking forward to. May the best man win.

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How would we compare garcia to judah and alexander?

And compare matthysse to judah and khan?

This really could be the thriller moment for danny garcia and he will gain so much IF he wins

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Danny's dad is OK for an ignorant bumbling racist.

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*where's he a racist

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Danny's dad is OK for an ignorant bumbling racist.

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*where's he a racist

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Look at his history and the quotes hes made and make your own mind up.

ive decided im putting my money on Garcia, its a great bet considering the odds

I cant see Garcia winning this and dont know why everyone thinks its a close fight. Nothing I have seen in any of Garcias fights make show me what he brings to the table. Matthysse is the bigger puncher, has better defense, and looks the better technician too. Garcia probably has an edge in speed but even that is closer then most think.

My prediction is Garcia gets caught early with a straight right when throwing a hook, gets up and gets finished that round or the following round.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Danny's dad is OK for an ignorant bumbling racist.

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*where's he a racist

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Look at his history and the quotes hes made and make your own mind up.

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*that's not racist...ur too sensitive.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Danny's dad is OK for an ignorant bumbling racist.

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*where's he a racist

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Look at his history and the quotes hes made and make your own mind up.

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*that's not racist...ur too sensitive.

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So you don't regard him racist? You must accept he's an ignorant prejudiced moron though? Whether or not he entertains you he's thick as shit. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Danny's dad is OK for an ignorant bumbling racist.

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*where's he a racist

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Look at his history and the quotes hes made and make your own mind up.

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*that's not racist...ur too sensitive.

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So you don't regard him racist? You must accept he's an ignorant prejudiced moron though? Whether or not he entertains you he's thick as shit. Fact.

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He is very ignorant in his use of language and his views are racist. He is Rock Newman type who has found some limelight through his son. Shame as his son is a good fighter.

He's Camacho reincarnated with someone else taking the punches for him and his mouth. If Lucas sparks his kid, this will be one of those cosmic jokes you tell your grandkids about....or talk up at the bar/pub....

"After he knocked his opponent out anyway, the reporters asked him how he managed to stay focused and ignore all the negative taunts and derogatory comments coming from the opposing trainer? and he said easy, I didn't speak the language. I had no idea what he was saying..."

The question is, if that happens will Angel man up, shut his mouth and walk over and shake Matthysse's and Sarmiento's hand? Well before he cuts his own head off anyway..

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

He's Camacho reincarnated with someone else taking the punches for him and his mouth. If Lucas sparks his kid, this will be one of those cosmic jokes you tell your grandkids about....or talk up at the bar/pub....

"After he knocked his opponent out anyway, the reporters asked him how he managed to stay focused and ignore all the negative taunts and derogatory comments coming from the opposing trainer? and he said easy, I didn't speak the language. I had no idea what he was saying..."

The question is, if that happens will Angel man up, shut his mouth and walk over and shake Matthysse's and Sarmiento's hand? Well before he cuts his own head off anyway..

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Haha yeah the ring actually had an interview where lucas was like "I see the expressions he makes and I laugh but I don't understand a word he's saying" or something along those lines.

This is the fight I'm looking forward to the most. I don't a shit about the Mayweather/Canelo fight, because I don't like either of them, and can only pray to the boxing gods that they knock each other out at the same time.

Anyway, back to the subject. I like both fighters, so I hate that one of them has to lose, of course there could always be a draw, but I doubt that. I see Danny winning the early rounds, since Lucas usually starts off a little slow, but Danny has never been hit by someone with Lucas' power, and I see Lucas slowly breaking him down, and winning by tko.

If I was Danny, I would tell his Dad to stfu. Danny seems like a nice, humble guy, but his dad is such a fucking asshole that it makes people dislike Danny, and hoping that he gets knocked out. The father seems likes he's always trying to steal the spotlight from his son. A good father, would put his son first, and not put his son in the line of fire.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Seriously cannot wait for these two mega-fights. The stakes are sky high!!!!

@Fenster, who you putting money on?

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Do not act Fenster, he knows nothing.

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Be quiet chump. Fact.

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I literally have watched like maybe 5 fights in the last two years. What is wrong with you people?

How the hell am I ahead of Comegalletas?

I've never seen Garcia fight. Picked Garcia. I have a system.

When you've got a system you stick to your system. Memphis with his lucky round picks is living a charmed life at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

So I'm in between fights tonight with some time on my hands and have found myself YouTubing numerous Danny Garcia fights and Lucas Mattysse fights.

Didn't neccisarily start of with tha intention but I hadn't yet seen Lucas Mattysse vs Devon Alexander and so just went from there.

There were a few things that got me thinking. Firstly the sheer mental strength of both guys. It will almost be a shame to see if one of them has their heart broken in the ring... I'll be honest right of the bat, Garcia could suffer a crushing KO defeat.

Having said that, I think he is the favourite by far - I actually think he is the bigger puncher and is quicker; more explosive overall. Although Mattysse seems like areal tough-nut and also doesn't seem to get credit for his defensive work at such a dangerous range, I wonder if his proximity and pressure will be put off by some stunning Garcia punches.

I'm saying I think it's more likely that Mattysse will give off some distress signals that it is likely that Danny is getting KO'd.

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The only thing was they issue with the eye.

Without that, Garcia would have had to endure a bit more. He has a good chin though.

i had it 113-113 .... 5-1 Mathhyse after 6 , and 5-1 Garcia in the other half

Danny fought a helluva composed and disciplined fight. I think he was rattled a couple times and was juggling hand grenades on the ropes a few times but each time a small tide shift occurred he dug down. Matthysse straight punching and body attack was inconsistent early and Garcia exploited the eye nicely. Both did themselves proud but Danny held a game plan from start to finish and did a little growing up in there.

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Originally Posted by gest12645

i had it 113-113 .... 5-1 Mathhyse after 6 , and 5-1 Garcia in the other half

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thats interesting, i only caught the last 4 rounds and (ok i was a bit drunk) but i thought matthysse deserved them all

ok the knockdown turned one of the rounds, i did think it was a dubious one tho

Garcia is a bit too fond of punching people in the balls. Many other fighters would gave complained more about that and the rabbit punching so fair play to Mattheysse. That said Garcia fought well and made it more comfortable than I thought he would. If Lucas had both eyes though he could have pulled enough of the close rounds out of the bag to win or at least draw.

I thought Garcia won (just) but thought he did so more by outfoxing/messing Mattheysse with the low blows and holding and whatnot. He showed a great chin and took advantage of the eye.

i was banging on all week how garcia was such a good bet

i never ended up putting my money where my mouth was tho, pity

A draw? :o

Really? :-\

Personally, I thought Garcia boxed his arse off....

I didnt watch this one properly, was drifting in and out of sleep. I blame the alcohol and Ishe Smith.

Anyway, I liked Garcia, more controlled, more purpose about what he was doing. Matthysse looked a bit clueless to be honest, groping forward without much thought. I dont know if Garcia cracked him good early or if he gave him a bit too much respect, I find the latter hard to believe to be honest.

The knockdown was tough on Matthysse I thought. Perfectly legit but a large part of it was him having nowhere else to go but down.

Matthysse's route to winning the fight was to fight from the start like he did in the later rounds when he had two good eyes. He didnt, he lost.

Fair play to Garcia. He showed a pair. He genuinely looked horrified at the prospect of facing Matthysse when he splatted Petereson.

While I personally had it a draw I can't complain about the result, props to danny. Lucas will be back and let them have two or three fights and get a rematch on, they're both young enough. I read an interview where lucas and his camp don't even watch film of the fighter they're facing, might be wise to implement that in the future. Also I will have to rewatch in a more sober state at some point was pretty far gone at the time of the fight

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Originally Posted by armin

While I personally had it a draw I can't complain about the result, props to danny. Lucas will be back and let them have two or three fights and get a rematch on, they're both young enough. I read an interview where lucas and his camp don't even watch film of the fighter they're facing, might be wise to implement that in the future. Also I will have to rewatch in a more sober state at some point was pretty far gone at the time of the fight

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yAeks wE NNNNNNotissed :p ;D

One thing that suddenly occurred to me is that Matthysse, who usually has fairly decent/ reliable defence, got hit A LOT more than he is used to.

He just got hit a lot, period.

I was just thinking along the lines of ''Oh maybe if he didn't have the eye problem, he'd be more effective'' but of course, it's just as likely that both eyes could have gone, plus the nose!

He was just getting tagged repeatedly.

To use a Spicoli phrase, it really was just 'rise and repeat'.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

One thing that suddenly occurred to me is that Matthysse, who usually has fairly decent/ reliable defence, got hit A LOT more than he is used to.

He just got hit a lot, period.

I was just thinking along the lines of ''Oh maybe if he didn't have the eye problem, he'd be more effective'' but of course, it's just as likely that both eyes could have gone, plus the nose!

He was just getting tagged repeatedly.

To use a Spicoli phrase, it really was just 'rise and repeat'.

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Well, I think if you look up until round 7, I didn't really see that. He got tagged, but I thought he was also closing in on Garcia right around when his eye shut up. He had just made an adjustment.

Garcia gave Morales a rematch, how about one for Matthysse?

As much as I was saddened that Lucas didn't win, I give Garcia a lot of respect, he fought a very good fight, it was an exciting fight and well tip of the hat to Danny.