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Kirkland, 99% was a catchphrase, a slogan. I'm not in the 1%, not close, BUT I'd like to work to get closer to where they are rather than hang out on Wall Street camping with a bunch of smelly hippies bitching and moaning and waiting for someone to just come along and ask nicely that all the rich people ante up and spread their wealth around. NO, I have very little in common with the OWS fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYWvpk4DUTo
Got it...so not really relevant to the discussion. Thanks.
As for the OWS assholes....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSQNl4V_R88
;D
The lazy bums get NOTHING, they LOSE
The bums will always lose Kirkland.....the bums will always lose
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
99% of Americans aren't bums but they are losing.
You're fooling nobody. You spend all day every day on the internet. You're a neo-Confederate manchild ranting away in his mother's basement.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKirkland, 99% was a catchphrase, a slogan. I'm not in the 1%, not close, BUT I'd like to work to get closer to where they are rather than hang out on Wall Street camping with a bunch of smelly hippies bitching and moaning and waiting for someone to just come along and ask nicely that all the rich people ante up and spread their wealth around. NO, I have very little in common with the OWS fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYWvpk4DUTo
Don't get your feelings hurt pumpkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I'm online because I can afford to be, it's one of the perks of my job. I don't beg for the government to take from others so that I might be better off which is 100% of what OWS was about. Take from the rich and redistribute. If we actually did that and made that policy then why work at all? If someone is just going to turn around and give you a hand out for complaining. And don't act like that wasn't what they were doing, that's EXACTLY what they were doing.
You don't do any work. You spend all day every day on the internet fannying about and watching videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDon't get your feelings hurt pumpkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I'm online because I can afford to be, it's one of the perks of my job. I don't beg for the government to take from others so that I might be better off which is 100% of what OWS was about. Take from the rich and redistribute. If we actually did that and made that policy then why work at all? If someone is just going to turn around and give you a hand out for complaining. And don't act like that wasn't what they were doing, that's EXACTLY what they were doing.
People all worked in the fifties and sixties right? Back then there was a far more equitable distribution of income than there is now. We need to get back to that or the economy will never properly recover.
Awww poor Kirkland, no need to worry about me little man, I'm ok ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Yes, people USED to provide goods and services and not expect something for nothing. If these kids today have a problem with "the system" then they should not participate in it and yeah that WOULD be difficult but I'd respect that rather than a bunch of idiots saying "Pay for my school, pay my loans, pay for my birth control, pay for my rent, pay me to go to school"....OWS was just a bunch of spoiled brats throwing a hissy fit. The movement faded....and why dear Kirkland? Why is the movement not around anymore? Have things been fixed? Or were they just there to rally people AGAINST big business and more importantly Mitt Romney?
The disparity between the wealthy and the poor is WORSE under your buddy Obama than it ever was under W and yet we have no more Occupy.....why Kirkland? Is the job of those useful idiots done?
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Originally Posted by El KabongAwww poor Kirkland, no need to worry about me little man, I'm ok ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Yes, people USED to provide goods and services and not expect something for nothing. If these kids today have a problem with "the system" then they should not participate in it and yeah that WOULD be difficult but I'd respect that rather than a bunch of idiots saying "Pay for my school, pay my loans, pay for my birth control, pay for my rent, pay me to go to school"....OWS was just a bunch of spoiled brats throwing a hissy fit. The movement faded....and why dear Kirkland? Why is the movement not around anymore? Have things been fixed? Or were they just there to rally people AGAINST big business and more importantly Mitt Romney?
The disparity between the wealthy and the poor is WORSE under your buddy Obama than it ever was under W and yet we have no more Occupy.....why Kirkland? Is the job of those useful idiots done?
Occupy Wall Street buys $15 million of Americans' medical debt
By Elizabeth Dilts
Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:00pm EST
Occupy Wall Street buys $15 million of Americans' medical debt | Reuters
They'd still be demonstrating if the camps hadn't been forcibly removed.. And Occupy and/or its descendents will eventually become a popular mass movement as whoever is in the White House in the next decade or so will continue the exact same policies that keep increasing inequality.
So basically OWS was a bunch of people saying "We don't want to pay for what we use anymore"? Does that about sum it up then?
Income disparity and we don't want to pay for anything again because we've been beaten by "the system" and we're sore losers....that it Comrade?
That is really such a great thing to do. Brilliant; the debt being bought for a fiftieth of its so called value. These people who couldnt afford their own medical insurance needed this break. Inequality over basic needs in the US is wrong; it should be a human right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAwww poor Kirkland, no need to worry about me little man, I'm ok ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Yes, people USED to provide goods and services and not expect something for nothing. If these kids today have a problem with "the system" then they should not participate in it and yeah that WOULD be difficult but I'd respect that rather than a bunch of idiots saying "Pay for my school, pay my loans, pay for my birth control, pay for my rent, pay me to go to school"....OWS was just a bunch of spoiled brats throwing a hissy fit. The movement faded....and why dear Kirkland? Why is the movement not around anymore? Have things been fixed? Or were they just there to rally people AGAINST big business and more importantly Mitt Romney?
The disparity between the wealthy and the poor is WORSE under your buddy Obama than it ever was under W and yet we have no more Occupy.....why Kirkland? Is the job of those useful idiots done?
Occupy Wall Street buys $15 million of Americans' medical debt
By Elizabeth Dilts
Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:00pm EST
Occupy Wall Street buys $15 million of Americans' medical debt | Reuters
They'd still be demonstrating if the camps hadn't been forcibly removed.. And Occupy and/or its descendents will eventually become a popular mass movement as whoever is in the White House in the next decade or so will continue the exact same policies that keep increasing inequality.
Lyle dont you think that is very different than what you are standing up for; (The rich protecting the ground they have worked for.)
Out here if you havent medical insurance it just means you cant choose which surgeon does your work and theres less gap payment to pick up. Here if we go in under the government scheme we could have the apprentices do all the work, while he is learning the craft usually under the watch of one of the top surgeons but you get the risk of there first few loan jobs too.Then theres the risk of public hospitals post op infection rates but its much cheaper than private hospitals.
There are some grey areas where families down on luck and the health of one of their children are ran bankrupt,whats wrong with addressing that?
And now we have Obamacare which is MORE expensive, harder to get, and REQUIRED. But that being the case, Obamacare will restrict procedures and care not make them more affordable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I am not certain if you've heard what a clusterfuck healthcare.gov is but I can assure you things are going to get WORSE not better.
Inequality over basic needs? So these protesters with their brand name apparel and Guy Fawkes masks and tents are hurting are they? Here's a quote from a Founding Father that still rings true to the place of Government
"Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government" - President James Madison
Strange thing to say when last week in this exact thread you said they dressed like bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd now we have Obamacare which is MORE expensive, harder to get, and REQUIRED. But that being the case, Obamacare will restrict procedures and care not make them more affordable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I am not certain if you've heard what a clusterfuck healthcare.gov is but I can assure you things are going to get WORSE not better.
Inequality over basic needs? So these protesters with their brand name apparel and Guy Fawkes masks and tents are hurting are they? Here's a quote from a Founding Father that still rings true to the place of Government
I'm not sure it matters how they are dressed or what income they have. My bet is a fair few of them are better off than you and work longer hours,there has to be, just on %.
I dont see why that should bother you either though.
How would you politically fix the problem without being charitable then?
I said it's not the GOVERNMENT's job to be charitable. I support charities on my own and those organizations are specifically set up to help people. The US government had a "War on Poverty" which has done more harm than good, it has wasted tax payer money, it has destroyed families, it has weakened the resolve of people...charities have people who give of themselves freely, not under threat of the IRS or at the point of a gun...charities give people hope while at the same time strengthening resolve "If you need help, we're here...hands on. We'll help you find a job, we'll help you fix your home, we'll help you pay for surgery" when you have REAL PEOPLE help you, then you will not be so eager to waste the gifts they have given you. When the faceless government sends a check, you feel no guilt at misappropriating those funds towards unnecessary items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
From a Behavioral Psychology standpoint all welfare ("government charity") does is reward people for NOT working and bad decision making.
Also you can wear name brand clothing and still look like a bum.
No. It's a bunch of people wanting a fairer distribution of income. They're not asking for something for nothing, they're asking for a redistribution of income downwards to make up for the massive upward redistribution of income that's happened over the past thirty years.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
But hey, it's pointless pointing this out to you. The fact will fall out of theback of your brain in seconds and you'll be back ranting about workshy losers wanting something for nothing.
Oh no, you're totally right, those people seemed to be working very hard :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
A small handful of people living in tents in a park isn't representative of the movement at large. And it turns out the movement at large is already representative of a large number of Americans :
Poll: Occupy Wall Street is Twice as Popular as The Tea Party
Last week, I noted a Rasmussen Reports survey that gave Occupy Wall Street slightly higher favorable ratings than the Tea Party. Time magazine's new national poll is out, and there's no "slightly" here. The Occupy movement has a 54 percent favorable rating; the Tea Party's rating is 27 percent.
Poll: Occupy Wall Street is Twice as Popular as The Tea Party
And eventually, as things continue to get worse for the 99% and the things I've been telling you about for years, inequality and so on, continue to get worse, Occupy and/or its descendents will become a popular mass movement supported by over half the country.
Yeah and guess what....the Tea Party is still around. Where's Occupy? Where are they Kirkland? Did they solve all the problems? Did they achieve their goals? Or did they support my stereotype of them and give up?
The Tea Party is looking all the more popular what with Obamacare being so wonderful :vd:
They just bought up millions of dollars worth of medical debt. That bit of information apparently already fell off the back of the shelf.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
....Princess I'm part of an organization where $15 mil is just about the daily operating cost of 1 of our hospitals where we provide treatment to patients for FREE. So no, I'm not impressed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
come on Lyle, atleast its a very very very small start. Give a modicum of credit where it is due. It was a good thing, even if it didnt make a dent, it was a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....Princess I'm part of an organization where $15 mil is just about the daily operating cost of 1 of our hospitals where we provide treatment to patients for FREE. So no, I'm not impressed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It was a kind gesture but it changed NOTHINGQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustcome on Lyle, atleast its a very very very small start. Give a modicum of credit where it is due. It was a good thing, even if it didnt make a dent, it was a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....Princess I'm part of an organization where $15 mil is just about the daily operating cost of 1 of our hospitals where we provide treatment to patients for FREE. So no, I'm not impressed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
If the Occupy stance was simply about being pissed that we were bailing out banks and that they wanted to end ALL subsidies to businesses and corporations I'd totally support them. Unfortunately they lose credibility with me when they promote ending subsidies but in turn have their hand out for their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustcome on Lyle, atleast its a very very very small start. Give a modicum of credit where it is due. It was a good thing, even if it didnt make a dent, it was a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....Princess I'm part of an organization where $15 mil is just about the daily operating cost of 1 of our hospitals where we provide treatment to patients for FREE. So no, I'm not impressed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I agree a lot of them have their hand out for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieIf the Occupy stance was simply about being pissed that we were bailing out banks and that they wanted to end ALL subsidies to businesses and corporations I'd totally support them. Unfortunately they lose credibility with me when they promote ending subsidies but in turn have their hand out for their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustcome on Lyle, atleast its a very very very small start. Give a modicum of credit where it is due. It was a good thing, even if it didnt make a dent, it was a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....Princess I'm part of an organization where $15 mil is just about the daily operating cost of 1 of our hospitals where we provide treatment to patients for FREE. So no, I'm not impressed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
http://th138.photobucket.com/albums/...semite_sam.jpg (those flee bearing varmints)
but they wouldnt of had their hand out to Wall street that would be held out in front of Parliament, senate or the house of representatives. They were outside Wall street pointing the finger at where the power lyes lays lies.
Kirkland, what do we have in common with the OWS crowd? I don't see much that I can relate to them on,but maybe u know something I don't. Also, if ur main point is to be anti-corporatist n u cover yourself in gap clothing n drink Starbucks coffee, yes, u r a hypocrite n it negates ur argument. Just like the idiots protesting war n holding peace signs while throwing bottles at cops n military members. That is an ignorant crowd that occupied and basically accom
Accomplished nothing.
1st of all we cannot lump all the people in the OWS together and say they all had their hand out, that is unfaitr, plenty of them had good intentions and didnt do disgusting self-centered momma's boy stuff. Dont judhe an entire movement based on even if 40% of them were whack jobs. So it didint accomplish piss, I agree, but its better to try and fail than to do nothing and regret later that you didnt try at all.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong....Princess I'm part of an organization where $15 mil is just about the daily operating cost of 1 of our hospitals where we provide treatment to patients for FREE. So no, I'm not impressed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Since I started posting here I've repeated several themes over and over with you. I told you back in 2007 that the economy was unbalanced, underegulated and was heading for an epic meltdown with a long period of unpleasantness afterwards.
I told you that the economies of developed countries and particularly the US were becoming more and more unequal with all the gains of economic growth nd productivity going to the top 1%, and that no matter which party was in power in developed countries the situation would continue to get more unequal.
I also told you that the GOP could no longer rely on the politics of racial resentment to appeal to the majority and win elections with the white vote only. And that the decades of race-baiting politics would start to bite them in the arse as the whilte majority dwindled.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post444472
And you've now watched an economic meltdown and a pathetic recovery even five years later, you've seen the beginning of mass recognition of the unequal economy and what it means for future economic growth and the prosperity of all Americans and you've seen a Kenyan imposter get elected president and then get re-elected in the middle of the worst economy in living memory.
Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about.
And you've taken the opposite side of the argument to all the above stuff and been proved epically, relentlessly wrong for years on end. You're going to be wrong about this too.
If you're earning less than a couple of hundred thousand a year and especially if you're making less than a hundred then you're part of the 99% who are having their ages cut, their hours increased, their pensions and benefits removed or cut, their jobs outsourced and their standard of living eroded.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
The OWS people don't live in Anarcho-Syndlacist communes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0
They're part of the capitalist system too and are quite happy for it to continue as long as the system is changed so that the prosperity created by economic growth is broadly shared, not just corraled by the top-earning sliver of society.
There is a good economic reason for more broadly-shared prospeirty too. The number one main economic problem now is lack of demand meaning consequent lack of investment, a vicious circle that means the economy doesn't grow -- like now. All the money going to the top sliver means that the 99% don't have money to spend, there is no demand in the economy (70% of the US economy is consumer spending) and so no investment/economic growth. And as all that money keeps accumulating to the top 1% they don't spend ot, they just invest it and this creates huge speculative bubbles in financial markets leading to massive busts (what happened in 2008. So Occupy are actually smart capitalists. Things won't improve properly until what Occupy wants happens.
The real issues are lost in the crowd for the most part. Theres 'rent a crowd' these days. A group with a beef of some sorts go to persons who address whole groups and get them onside. They offer them something down the track for the backing, it happens all the time out here. Then you have the dupe a crowd into backing you up by getting them emotionally involved without educating them on it. Then you the get your Union to lean on their Union for added numbers.
That adds up to a smoke and mirrors game with 88% of marchers or occupiers not knowing exactly why they are really there.
Personally Im all for the psychopathic snipers against messy hits on marchers conglomerate.
You can tell Occupy have the establishment worried because the media are focusing on individual personalities rather than what Occupy are saying.
During the time the media were forced to coverage Occupy they'd cluster round, for instance, one random antisemitic nutter who turned up at the camp. New York is chock full of random nutters, in some parts of Manhattan you can throw a stone and hit three of them, so some nutter attracted to all the cameras and action being filmed and being made the public face of Occupy tells you everything you need to know about this.
Like Assange and Snowden and others the focus is on the person, their personality and character and not what they've revealed/have to say.
Yeah and people love having there focus taken away from the real issues so they personally dont have to act on their conscious.That goes for the large percentage of all the talkers on both sides of this. They use the reverse stance as an excuse to do nothing but point the finger.