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Watched a documentary yesterday and a pharmacist from romania who had the choice of any country in Europe to choose from and she chose Dudley. Poor girl.
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Master
Watched a documentary yesterday and a pharmacist from romania who had the choice of any country in Europe to choose from and she chose Dudley. Poor girl.
Master we both know why she chose it.
" Dudley , is Blumin luvlay"
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I'd like to point out that this time it was not me calling Miles a bigot. ;D
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Greenbeanz himself is a relatively recent immigrant and on that basis would obviously despise anything that would threaten him. He does mch the same over the Paralympics. However, when it comes to tings that were seemingly there before him such as the monarchy, then we mustn't ever say a bad word. Greenbeanz is as easy to read as a not terribly interesting book. In fact I gave up reading his daft post after the ludicrious assertion that Suede or Morrissey are right wing. I really see little to support the case that Morrissey is actually right wing having read the mans autobiography. As for Suede, well there is nothing in history to suggest as much. Greenbeanz is obviously an idiot.
Having just done a quick skim, all I actually see from him is a very long character assassination with very little points being made on this thread at all. But that is because Greenbeanz has no points or evidence. Most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world. It is just not true, so instead he will get personal with me and Brockton because that is the only thing he can do. Pathetic, senile old man. It would be very easy to make every point personal and be very horrible but I won't. Instead I will just call him a cunt.
Any man should defend himself with mace as you get a criminal record if you don't. Of course I would spray it in the face of violent foes. What a cunt. :rolleyes:
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Terrorists are largely homegrown and are a product of our foreign policy. Another thing to think about when allowing uncontrolled immigration, though as the men say Britain actually subsidises militant Muslims. The leaders are all wrong and it is they who subsidise terror, allow terrorists in, and then decide that they need to spy on all to keep everyone safe! Hilarious in a not so funny way.
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Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.
1. I didnt say members of the Eu needed a work visa. I am referring to illegal Mexicans entering the US and then thinking they have the right stay. I was responding to VC's post about Mexicans and other illegal Hispanic immigrants in texas, etc.....
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Also, a country has the right to protect itself and if it deems immigrants are uneducated, delinquent, prone to crime based on facts and statistics, it can certainly bar them from entering. We are living in an age where doing the common sense thing is now politically incorrect.
WTF is politically correct anyway? I dont care if someone hurts my feelings and calls me a hairy, big nosed, bald, greaseball Italian-Armenian American scumbag. I dont care. What happened to being tough and dealing with words that don't "float our boat"? Who the FUCK cares about YOUR FUCKING BOAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fuck fuck fuck your boat, gently down the stream
we don't give a flying fuck
plus we have the right to be mean;
suck suck suck the dick, of politically correct
kick the ones who snuck across
in the fucking rect...............um.
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For the record both my parents were born in the UK. As were my both my Mothers parents. My fathers Parents were Polish on his Dad's side and Romany Gypsy (via Ireland) on his Mothers side. It is quite ludicrous that Miles and Brockton supposedly the champions of the oppressed have decided that the legal migration of people into a country in which neither of them live is of such importance that they have to express outrage and horror at the very thought of it. There is no need for a character assassination on my part when they expose their own prejudices in such a public way. The Roma, long persecuted, came originally from India and are not the same ethnic group as Romanians. That is what this whole debate is really about.
Miles your assertion that "Most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world" shows exactly how blinkered, arrogant and racist you are.
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in Istanbul, the Gypsies are a HUGE problem. We lived there 13 months while I was teaching at a language institute, and every morning and every night we came and went from our apartment there were literally 11 little gypsy kids sitting along the curb with their gypsy mother with ALL ELEVEN OF THEM sticking their hands out "Please Mister, can you give us some rice, some money, some bread????" for 13 months every single fucking day, and at night they would run around the neighborhood throwing stones at our windows because we never gave them anything. 2 blocks away they have ruined the once-beautiful ocean front beach area, sleeping in cardboard boxes and draping rugs over low tree branches, sleeping in the park along the ocean, shitting and pissing and fucking right there --- they have ruined the whole public park, police are constantly raiding their fucking cardboard homes and arresting them, only to have the same gypsies re-enter the park a month later, building fires in the ground, barbecuing, fucking, shitting and pissing, THEYHAVE STUNK UP THE WHOLE PARK which strecthes 150 meters along Sultanahmet near the Blue Mosque. Police are struggling every night with these scumbags. DEPORT THE DIRTY MOTHERFUCKING BEGGARS, LAZY FUCKS.
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Why bother deporting them? Why not just gas them all in a big oven?
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in Istanbul, the Gypsies are a HUGE problem. We lived there 13 months while I was teaching at a language institute, and every morning and every night we came and went from our apartment there were literally 11 little gypsy kids sitting along the curb with their gypsy mother with ALL ELEVEN OF THEM sticking their hands out "Please Mister, can you give us some rice, some money, some bread????" for 13 months every single fucking day, and at night they would run around the neighborhood throwing stones at our windows because we never gave them anything. 2 blocks away they have ruined the once-beautiful ocean front beach area, sleeping in cardboard boxes and draping rugs over low tree branches, sleeping in the park along the ocean, shitting and pissing and fucking right there --- they have ruined the whole public park, police are constantly raiding their fucking cardboard homes and arresting them, only to have the same gypsies re-enter the park a month later, building fires in the ground, barbecuing, fucking, shitting and pissing, THEYHAVE STUNK UP THE WHOLE PARK which strecthes 150 meters along Sultanahmet near the Blue Mosque. Police are struggling every night with these scumbags. DEPORT THE DIRTY MOTHERFUCKING BEGGARS, LAZY FUCKS.
No comment.
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brocktonblockbust
in Istanbul, the Gypsies are a HUGE problem. We lived there 13 months while I was teaching at a language institute, and every morning and every night we came and went from our apartment there were literally 11 little gypsy kids sitting along the curb with their gypsy mother with ALL ELEVEN OF THEM sticking their hands out "Please Mister, can you give us some rice, some money, some bread????" for 13 months every single fucking day, and at night they would run around the neighborhood throwing stones at our windows because we never gave them anything. 2 blocks away they have ruined the once-beautiful ocean front beach area, sleeping in cardboard boxes and draping rugs over low tree branches, sleeping in the park along the ocean, shitting and pissing and fucking right there --- they have ruined the whole public park, police are constantly raiding their fucking cardboard homes and arresting them, only to have the same gypsies re-enter the park a month later, building fires in the ground, barbecuing, fucking, shitting and pissing, THEYHAVE STUNK UP THE WHOLE PARK which strecthes 150 meters along Sultanahmet near the Blue Mosque. Police are struggling every night with these scumbags. DEPORT THE DIRTY MOTHERFUCKING BEGGARS, LAZY FUCKS.
No comment.
OK you go stroll through the park, smell the shit.
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Why bother deporting them? Why not just gas them all in a big oven?
The most cost effective way to do it would be to pack them into shipping containers, put the containers on a contanier ship, take them out to sea and dump the containers one by one into the water. The ships could describe a lazy figure of eight in the water while they're doing it and they could film it from a helicopter and play the video when they play the national anthem when TV closes down at night. Do they still play the national anthem? They should.
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Roma have been in Europe for at least 700 years. They are still minorities in both Romania and Bulgaria and yet they are a perennial scapegoat. The Gypsyfication of Eastern Europeans is lazy and stupid and ignores the facts. To be so hostile to an ethnic group who have spent 1000 years being persecuted and whose lifestyle amounts to living in a cardboard box beggars belief.
Let’s all support the Palestinians but not the smelly Roma because they are just not trendy enough. Never mind the fact that they are the largest minority ethnic group in Europe and have had to resort to a life as a nomadic tribe because everybody treats them like dogs. We don’t want them here..deport them, as though living in Europe for 700 years means they have no right to stay there. Let’s reserve as special kind of standardised homogenised acceptable form of ignorance and focus all our fear on them and blame the fact that they are forced to live in third world conditions on them because quite frankly, we are all right Jack. Lets’ call them Pikeys with no understanding of what we are saying. Gypsies get pissed off when you call them Pikeys because travellers and crusties are who they deem to be Pikies not gypsies themselves.
On top of all this lets follow an ignoramus like Farrage and hold him up as a paragon of freedom, pretending the he is standing up for the underdog and that it is he who is speaking for the oppressed. Let us follow like blind sheep as he lies and divides turning one underclass against the other all the while claiming expenses for a job he refuses to do, much like the Tory scum from which the bastard was spawned. Lets ignore the facts and just paint two entire countries with one huge brush, pretending all the while that the UK is so much more desirable than anywhere else in Europe despite always moaning about how shit it is here. Shit because of the hard working immigrants who shame us and must really all be spongers because then we will have someone else to blame it on.
What a fucking disgrace. Lets’ use the hoary old chestnut of Political Correctness to excuse the hateful bile that resides in everyone and is just bubbling up waiting for a target to vent on. Then when someone points this out let’s just accuse them of cowardice because they dare to point it out. They must be conditioned because they are not like everyone else and must listen when Nigel says that the entire population of two countries are going to move to the UK and all of them are thieving, murdering, child snatching, benefit scrounging, park shitting scum. Just like the Polish who all turned out to be stupid and uneducated and claimed benefits whilst not being plumbers and dentists and Barristers and Lecturers and Tattoo artists and Doctors. Every last one of them just like Nigel warned, the all seeing soothsayer that he is.
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Beans both you and rayan man have failed to say what we do with the Romanians using parks as camps and toilets?
I'm just curious what you feel we should do with them.
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Dark Lord Al
Beans both you and rayan man have failed to say what we do with the Romanians using parks as camps and toilets?
I'm just curious what you feel we should do with them.
Romanians in Istanbul?
Not all Romanians are Roma, only a tiny minority, just like Not all Romani live in cardboard boxes. Romanians and Bulgarians have enjoyed the right to come and wark in the UK as seasonal agricultural workers for the last 7 years. Now from January they will be able to come and do other work and so Farrage is shit stirring like Brockton because many are better educated than he is.
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Dark Lord Al
Beans both you and rayan man have failed to say what we do with the Romanians using parks as camps and toilets?
I'm just curious what you feel we should do with them.
Romanians in Istanbul?
Not all Romanians are Roma, only a tiny minority, just like Not all Romani live in cardboard boxes. Romanians and Bulgarians have enjoyed the right to come and wark in the UK as seasonal agricultural workers for the last 7 years. Now from January they will be able to come and do other work and so Farrage is shit stirring like Brockton because many are better educated than he is.
Beanz you have not answered @Dark Lord Al nor his pointed, poignant question. Do not deflect from the issue that Gypsies are shitting and pissing and fornicating under carpets draped from trees and in cardboard huts in public parks in Sultanahmet, ini Kumkapi, in Cankartaran all previously beautiful neighborhoods in Istanbul until they flocked to these public parks ...... the parks are constantly raided by police, but the vagrants keep returning. Have you @Greenbeanz no agreement with this behavior and the word "vagrant"? What shall we do with them besides gas them, as you have suggested?
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Deflection? You have misrepresented the whole debate the moment you posted the video in your OP. You have displayed extreme gullibility and continue to ignore Every single salient point that I have raised. You are keen to talk about Istanbul and to purposefully obfuscate the facts by freely exchanging Roma and Romanians and to use the behaviour of a small proportion of people to condemn Bulgarians. You are playing on people's irrational fears and prejudices just like Farrage and that bigoted infowars twat you keep quoting. Criminality is criminality but I am unprepared to view the world through such a distorting bigoted lense that I am reduced to equating the legal migration of European workers with an Apocalyptic future in which everyone that crosses the UK border is demonised and presumed to be a free loading criminal. I am also unwilling to use the kind of language that you do to describe an ethnic group who continue to be abused by people who seek to dehumanise them. And don't try and shut down meaningful debate with yourself and Miles PC krap. You have the right to say whatever you like and I would seek to defend that, but that does not grant you both absolution from responsability. If you are being ignorant, offensive, or simply dishonest then people are completely entitled to disagree with you without being dismissed as brainwashed or 'PC'.
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For the record both my parents were born in the UK. As were my both my Mothers parents. My fathers Parents were Polish on his Dad's side and Romany Gypsy (via Ireland) on his Mothers side. It is quite ludicrous that Miles and Brockton supposedly the champions of the oppressed have decided that the legal migration of people into a country in which neither of them live is of such importance that they have to express outrage and horror at the very thought of it. There is no need for a character assassination on my part when they expose their own prejudices in such a public way. The Roma, long persecuted, came originally from India and are not the same ethnic group as Romanians. That is what this whole debate is really about.
Miles your assertion that "Most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world" shows exactly how blinkered, arrogant and racist you are.
How is that comment blinkered, arrogant, and racist? All you have are ad hominem personal attacks and admittedly I did a little in return. It's a massive deflection to keep on saying I am racist, that I am blinkered etc. If I were to make that same statement about ordinary English people you wouldn't batter an eyelid. Something like 30% of British people go to University and fewer go on to study at Post Graduate level. It is just a fact that I am relatively well educated. You seem to have some bee in your bonnet about that, and it makes me arrogant and blinkered? Most of those coming from overseas are not exactly Phd holders, which really is the only way to be more educated than I am. And good on those that are, as I have said skilled immigrants are needed in any economy. It is the rest that I seriously question and the rest is the vast majority.
I have a friend back home who works in an egg factory. He and his English friend are the last standing as the rest are all from Poland. Is he blinkered? My other friend says that in Edinburgh a taxi driver is more likely to be foreign than a native Scot. Is he just being arrogant? Honestly, where do you get off with your ridiculous statements. I am such a racist that the few people I do interact with in life are all from a different country to me. I get called a blinkered, racist everyday. You are surely having a laugh.
Your last long post was whining on and on about Roma discrimination, but what does that have to do with being allowed to settle into the UK whenever they like? The Poles can all come, the Romanians can all come. But is it the responsibility of the UK to house them, to find them work, to nurse them when they are sick? How, when and why did this ever become the defacto attitude to have? I brought up this discussion earlier with someone at work and asked 'How would Koreans feel if 5 million foreigners were to settle here within just 10 years?". The response was as it should be, a negative dismissal. I said that this was exactly what had happened in England. Cue gobsmacked expression.
My earlier points all stand. Of course a foreign worker will take shit that an English worker won't if they are earning 3-4 times the minimum wage of their home countries. The English person can't save a hoot on the low paying jobs, whilst the Pole will send money home and after a decade or so have enough to buy a house and then they are set. The English person doesn't have anything to hope for as property is never going to happen and you will always be paycheck to paycheck. It is permanent decline and of course he could move to Poland and fall even further behind. It is a terrible and unfair comparison to make to say that Poles work harder. Of course they would and would tolerate more as it makes sense financially. The English person might as well give up.
We have nation states and when poor countries are allowed to flock to countries with better paying jobs, then standards decline for ordinary people in the richer country. Yes, it helps small businesses who want cheap labour, but there is more to life than that. Growth in an economy is really about stock markets, which really grow from abusing labour. We shouldn't always see growth as a positive when it comes from the division and abuse of domestic labour.
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There are a higher proportion of people with degrees in Poland, Slovakia and the Czech republic than the UK. The UK has been overtaken by Poland , Portugal, The Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden the Czech Republic and Denmark. So your sweeping generalisation that most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world is just as inherently racist as saying the Palestinians are all terrorists. You have a friend back home ? what kind of intellectual weight is that supposed to carry ? You are extremely out of touch with the UK and just make Krap up. There are plenty of people working and buying property who are not immigrants but you have to look at the negative side of everything. Growth is not a positive unless Miles says it is :-\
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Deflection? You have misrepresented the whole debate the moment you posted the video in your OP. You have displayed extreme gullibility and continue to ignore Every single salient point that I have raised. You are keen to talk about Istanbul and to purposefully obfuscate the facts by freely exchanging Roma and Romanians and to use the behaviour of a small proportion of people to condemn Bulgarians. You are playing on people's irrational fears and prejudices just like Farrage and that bigoted infowars twat you keep quoting. Criminality is criminality but I am unprepared to view the world through such a distorting bigoted lense that I am reduced to equating the legal migration of European workers with an Apocalyptic future in which everyone that crosses the UK border is demonised and presumed to be a free loading criminal. I am also unwilling to use the kind of language that you do to describe an ethnic group who continue to be abused by people who seek to dehumanise them. And don't try and shut down meaningful debate with yourself and Miles PC krap. You have the right to say whatever you like and I would seek to defend that, but that does not grant you both absolution from responsability. If you are being ignorant, offensive, or simply dishonest then people are completely entitled to disagree with you without being dismissed as brainwashed or 'PC'.
You are being a bit outrageous.
For me it certainly isn't about dehumanising anyone. Immigration is a useful tool when a country needs specific skilled labour, but beyond that, I say that is where it ends. Allowing uncontrolled, unchecked immigration from multiple countries, all of whom are considerably poorer than the main destination is just warped. Of course the migrants would go where the money is. I don't blame them for doing that, but I do blame a system for allowing it and the system clearly needs to be dealt with.
For instance, it is claimed in this thread that immigrants don't claim a lot of benefits. Well, that is something I believe is correct, but I would also believe it to be true that many more are working cash in hand. Also, if there are unemployed people there then why are the numbers even comparable to the British people? More BRITISH people should be on jobseekers allowance in BRITAIN! In Korea I have never heard of any foreigner ever claiming welfare. Why should they? I have to pay into unemployment insurance every month, but that is because I am not classed as a foreigner (I wouldn't claim it anyway). You don't have access to those things as you are temporary and out when your contract is done.
All I say is that the model they have here is one that I prefer. I think this system works well. There is social cohesion, if I wanted to start a business then I am free to do so, but I would only do so in the field of education which I know I can handle and which many Koreans know too. It is very unlikely that they would ever employ me in McDonald's though. They would find it odd, I would find it odd, it would be odd. Why would I be taking those kinds of jobs in a country that I know I have my niche in? It would be outrageous if poor English people started coming out here and taking ordinary jobs that the people here are doing just fine. That is how I look at it. I see the model here and it works fine, I contrast it with the British system and the message boards of every paper are full of angry English people bitter about their plight.
You will just say that I don't care, I have no compassion etc and that is your right, but it is something that I do think about and as man of working class roots, I know where I come from, and where many old friends are. I don't think it right that just because they didn't go to university that they should be stuck in dead end jobs and then find swathes of foreign people coming over and competing. They come first and rightly so. It isn't so terrible or heartless to think that way.
I know the great things that immigration can give, I know the splendour of a 1am curry in memories past. I drive out for a kebab sometimes here and there is a nice Turkish man who I chat with and he is married to a local and has a little daughter. I'm not against these things. They are now part of the system, contribute to the economy, are married etc. I am a migrant worker myself. But like I say, you cannot just allow everyone over to do anything. The last 10 years in the UK have been statistically beyond all comprehension in the entire history of the UK.
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There are a higher proportion of people with degrees in Poland, Slovakia and the Czech republic than the UK. The UK has been overtaken by Poland , Portugal, The Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden the Czech Republic and Denmark. So your sweeping generalisation that most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world is just as inherently racist as saying the Palestinians are all terrorists. You have a friend back home ? what kind of intellectual weight is that supposed to carry ? You are extremely out of touch with the UK and just make Krap up. There are plenty of people working and buying property who are not immigrants but you have to look at the negative side of everything. Growth is not a positive unless Miles says it is :-\
Yes, then factor in the quality of the Universities. I could obtain a PhD in Thailand at a relatively cheap cost, but what is the value of that degree? What does it really mean? I would have a hard time being taken seriously at many Universities around the world. Ah, but that is me being a snob, an elitist!
You are also warping what I say. The vast majority of Poles coming to work in menial jobs, such as the egg factory or to drive taxis are not intellectuals. They are ordinary people coming to a country, not based on academic credentials, but an open labour market. If they were intellectuals with such vast educational capabilities, they would be working in Universities around the world. Instead, they are opening shops, working in factories, driving cabs etc. When you talk of Polish doctors though, are we really saying that Britain cannot produce effective doctors? That Britain cannot produce lawyers? That Britain cannot produce tattoo artists?
'I have a friend back home' is a direct example. I made two of them. I know what is going on in the UK. I prowl, I look around, I see things when I visit. I read media of all kinds daily. I bathe myself in the stuff. I have friends and family living there, I communicate. The whole 'you have lost touch' nonsense is just that. Utter nonsense. I am not walking down the high street everyday no, but I'm observing from a branch up above.
I am looking at the negative because it is more realistic than saying 'Everything is fine, immigration is all hunky dory, property bubbles are splendid, outrageous bills are quaint, and the police state is blooming marvelous'. I won't bury my head in the sand, or put myself up on a cross singing 'always look on the bright side of life'. It's not realistic.
My point of view is simply that Britain is full. It is full. There isn't enough housing. Housing is unnaffordable. It goes up 3 times faster than wages every year. It is unnaffordable for young people especially. 5 million extras means more competition and 30 year olds living with mother. It's not tenable.
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@Greenbeanz mate you are taking it too far. Surely you know I dont want to gas anybody mate. I just dont like the Gypsies in Istanbul for what they are doing. I dont know if they are Bulgarian or Romanian or Roma, I did not ask them, but they are referred to by everyone and in the newspapers there as gypsies, and most of them have emigrated from eastern europe. So that is all Im saying. Now let's be calm. I dont watch Alex Jones but twice or thrice a year, and stick to his financial and economic stuff only in limited little bursts. Ben Bernanke, the Fed, martial law, etc.... Nigel Farage seems a decent man to me, well educated and makes alot of sense really.
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There are a higher proportion of people with degrees in Poland, Slovakia and the Czech republic than the UK. The UK has been overtaken by Poland , Portugal, The Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden the Czech Republic and Denmark. So your sweeping generalisation that most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world is just as inherently racist as saying the Palestinians are all terrorists. You have a friend back home ? what kind of intellectual weight is that supposed to carry ? You are extremely out of touch with the UK and just make Krap up. There are plenty of people working and buying property who are not immigrants but you have to look at the negative side of everything. Growth is not a positive unless Miles says it is :-\
No, it isn't. A basic example is CNN and it's obsession with Dow Jones. Less than a single percent of Americans own shares directly. Only about 0.01% of the population controls most of those shares. Now, apparently the American economy is growing and Dow Jones is reaching all time highs! Well, it has come at the expense of the middle America and working class America who really haven't been growing. In that sense, growth is definitely a negative.
Over the past 30 years the Britain has been growing by cutting wages, erasing unions and encouraging people to live beyond their means. Again, the growth was a negative. People should have savings and be in control of their own destinies. The majority are not. It is a negative.
It is common sense, but you would obviously spin it. :-\
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Dark Lord Al
Beans both you and rayan man have failed to say what we do with the Romanians using parks as camps and toilets?
I'm just curious what you feel we should do with them.
Romanians in Istanbul?
Not all Romanians are Roma, only a tiny minority, just like Not all Romani live in cardboard boxes. Romanians and Bulgarians have enjoyed the right to come and wark in the UK as seasonal agricultural workers for the last 7 years. Now from January they will be able to come and do other work and so Farrage is shit stirring like Brockton because many are better educated than he is.
Beanz I'm talking about the ones in park lane , camping and shitting there , this isn't the only park in the uk this is happening.
So what do you suggest we do with these people who bring only a dirty blanket?
Just interested in your view.
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Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express
Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country! :dontknow:
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Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
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Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
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Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
In truth, I have only really considered immigration in terms of the accepted EU countries, and only now did a quick search about gypsies living in parks. Yet there do seem to be an awful lot of photos of gypsies living in parks.
This is not the kind of media I typically read, but surely Al must have a point as he keeps repeating it and there appears to be evidence of his argument.
Are there gypsies living in parks? And if so what on earth are they doing there? If they are Romanian and they aren't working, then surely they should just be deported.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Dark Lord Al
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Master
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Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
Just as a point of interest for now but here is a link to the full report I made reference to earlier regarding national identities of illegal immigrants in the UK.
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../7197/7197.pdf
I only post it as an aside to the issue being discussed regarding legal EU migrants.
Thats a 100 odd pages so noone will read it, so here is a summary article
UK Indymedia - Most illegal migrants likely to be white
A couple of lines from it -
"Long-stay immigrants into the UK from Poland, India and China are outnumbered by Germans, South Africans, North Americans, people from the white Commonwealth and returning Britons.
Official figures show that of the top ten migrant countries in 2008, 137,000 were from the first group and 152,000 from the second group.
There is no debate in the media, among politicians and among the public concerning North Americans and the white Commonwealth.
The fact that they ‘take jobs’ in the UK does not feature as an issue among those who are most concerned about immigration.
The anti-immigration campaign group Migration Watch and UKIP create fear about immigration numbers and fail to point out that immigrants include people from Australia, US, New Zealand and others.
In terms of all visitors and migrants into the UK, the report states: ‘Citizens of the United States of America (USA) comprised 32 per cent of total non-EEA admissions, the nationality with by far the most admissions, representing an increase of 6 per cent to 4.1 million in 2006. The next three nationalities with the highest numbers of admissions were Australia (up 8 per cent to 1.1 million), Canada (up 11 per cent to 1.0 million) and India (up 23 per cent to 0.8 million).’
It is likely that most illegal immigrants are from North America and white Commonwealth countries".
As I say, just an aside, but quite a pointed one. The truth of immigration in the UK is not fairly reflected in media spin, government policies or public attitudes.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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ryanman
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.
I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.
I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.
Ask them to move. If they don't then forcibly move them. What do you suggest Al?
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.
I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.
Ask them to move. If they don't then forcibly move them. What do you suggest Al?
You kind of miss the point of my question , you and beans are ok with the freedom to roam policy , these people have been removed at a cost , and have returned , they have no housing etc , so I ask someone who has tried to contradict my point of view , by asking you what would you do with these people.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like
"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."
followed by
"Vote ukip"
which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?
There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like
"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."
followed by
"Vote ukip"
which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?
There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.
Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.
Are you saying they are not living in parks?
Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.
If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.
I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.
Ask them to move. If they don't then forcibly move them. What do you suggest Al?
You kind of miss the point of my question , you and beans are ok with the freedom to roam policy , these people have been removed at a cost , and have returned , they have no housing etc , so I ask someone who has tried to contradict my point of view , by asking you what would you do with these people.
Sorry if I'm being a little slow here. I really am trying to answer. If we are talking about them as currently illegal immigrants then I would remove them from the park and then deal with them through that process. If we are talking hypothetically like they are full EU nationals and thus allowed legally allowed to remain in the country I would deal with them in the same way that I would anybody. Remove, arrest, imprision if it came to that.
What is the alternative? What am I missing? As far as I can see the only way to deal with them outside the rule of our current laws is to withdraw from the EU.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
I've never really taken issue with your argument with the view that most illegal immigrants are those from 'white' countries. However, as I said before, it is a serious issue, and they should be kicked out. My own stance is largely on legal EU migration which largely means the labour of poor countries taking advantage of opportunities in better paying countries. That is simply not a reciprocal situation. The EU is enshrined in law and that is just as much a problem if not more simply because of the numbers involved.
The former situation is a matter that disappoints me as Britain has in essence become a police state and yet has all this time been unable to control its borders when it comes to illegal migrants? That is shameful. They will question anyone who is not white though and my own wife can attest to that. My second view on EU migration is simply that it is opportunistic and designed to support business owners. Growth is a negative when it means flooding labour markets with labour.
I don't think most English people are lazy or stupid, many are, but most are not. They will work if they are being treated accordingly. I also think there is massive propaganda in the schooling system to promote globalisation, eradicate fiscal responsibility, and to generally dumb down. Of course to attack globalisation, promote fiscal responsibility, and to smarten up, would be dangerous for people in power. Thus people fritter away money and can't afford to live, pay for degrees in social sciences, get in debt, and accept that foreigners can take your country from top to bottom. They have no recourse, they are not mobile and when people say 'But more British people claim benefits', well no shit Sherlock. They are defunct.
