You told El Kabong that he did not care and told Dia Bando that he was going to hell. Neither of them were attacking you and yet you attack everyone everytime you dismiss a reply. Who is this God that loves you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
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You told El Kabong that he did not care and told Dia Bando that he was going to hell. Neither of them were attacking you and yet you attack everyone everytime you dismiss a reply. Who is this God that loves you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
NV I'm not attacking you, but you like to tell us all about God remember NOT everyone likesQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
to be preached to, I've no problem you being a Christian none at all.:)
I appreciate you follow my posts. The God is Jesus, who was not just a Jewish rabbi .... PERIODQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYou told El Kabong that he did not care and told Dia Bando that he was going to hell. Neither of them were attacking you and yet you attack everyone everytime you dismiss a reply. Who is this God that loves you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
the ungodly spirit inside you does not like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I do not take orders from ungodly people :p
in theh name of god, amen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...nGjZgCt-Vc9Gkg
Have a bit of ungodliness then.;D
Dear God in heaven
You know what happened next
I cheated on my wife o then she took her things and took off
The divorce became and brawl
I had to sell the car and house
Then I got fired from the job and had to stay with friends
I got help from Jonny Walker
And together we dug my own grave
there i buried myself in
with lies deceit and drunkenness
lets return to the Lord's embrace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEpasImGZnw
Oh god, i wouldn't mind
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@Xwetie
apparently you have not watched the video i posted, because Alice talks about his early songs and guys like you, who never really listen what they are being told
Ooh it's Media, they getting paid for saying stuff like that? But i have nothing against jesus, just dont like religion. People need to see the truth behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
Jesus was most certainly Jewish and also a Rabbi. A sage, a preacher, whatever. He was as real as Davinci or any Caesar. Historically the term Rabbi does not appear until about a 100 years after his death. But lots of things existed before they were named. He was most likely not fair skinned or blued eyed. Its up to the individual to believe or not believe that he was something other then a teacher.
One thing I am fairly confident in is that if he were here today at this time of year specifically, he would go absolute *&^%$ing ballistic. Not only do these followers get his birth date wrong but they change the message around completely and bring in some dude named Santa. If you think he went off his gord when he found a flea market in a synagogue, well you ain't seen nothing. The manger scene on school stages surrounded by giant candy canes and a reindeer/sleigh backdrop. These "Christians" who walk by the soup kitchen and the beggar on the street in order to pick up the 300 dollar foot gear for their 12 year old.
That is the almost surreal irony to this whole Christmas gig. Christ would look down on it the most. Its turned into a little bigger thing then a simple 9 pieces if silver.
I don't know if this thread was started to be controversial. It isn't at all. Jesus was born and died a Jew. It is not an issue and has no effect on Christianity. Regardless Merry Christma
Also for Yeshuas whole life he pointed at only God and forged a new a link in between God and man in love, severing the old laws.
He said I am the way.
He is the pathway back to God, not the destination.This is the mistake people make they rest in their faith and do nothing and use that as an excuse to do nothing but talk.
Its a historical fact that 300 years after Yeshua, Rome decides to get involved and make the religion theirs solely.They decide to omit part of the scriptures,they decide what context you are to believe in what you do.
They had full control over the finished book you now read from. They made a new set of laws placing themselves in between man and God forcing all followers to come through them, falsified Yeshuas name ,his birthdate and changing the Sabbath day, something which all other Christian churches bar one fell for and still do.Worse is they preach fear of God instead of fear of your consequences of actions or lack of action when required.
And Nsemin you just said in a pm: I have mistaken unconditional love.
Believe this, when I do serve someone and do unto him as I would have him do unto me, it is without conditions.
But in your context of belief, I do not waste the truth where it isnt welcome.
After speaking about not judging our neighbor before dealing with the sin in our own hearts (this includes more than anything self righteousness)lest we become hypocrites.
Yeshua speaks a very important principle that often gets overlooked. He says in Matthew 7:6, "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet.
You may as well re read Revelations, if you really want to know for certain what he thinks about the different churches and their actions and non actions.
Remember Religion is interpreted by individuals, to suit there needs or out look,! PEOPLE who
are Religious never preach to you.
When I was a child in the 60's Wales, was very Religious Chapel morning, noon , and night, pubs
closed on a Sunday, no work done on that day, dressed up in your Sunday best,
To be honest I'm glad that way of life bit the dust, did it do me any harm NO , did I hate it yes
with a passion, in my job I hear Religion everyday and I have said it in the past, many a good
word said over, a shit bag believe some are as I NO them.
People would say it's forgiveness, I would say it's hypocritical a shit bag is a shit bag it's a fact,
Religion is not at fault, just the people not all just some,! as a child a family down the road had
a daughter, she needed a surgery and she may have needed a blood transfusion, they refused
on Religious grounds, needless to say she passed away, Religion Christian acts of kindness,
who needs it not me.!!!!! ;)
Jesus was born and died a Jew, yes that's fine I have no complaints about that statement and that statement does have no effect of Christianity...butQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Brockton's post said for the most part there was nothing special/different about Jesus and that he was just a man. That flies DIRECTLY in the face of Christianity and on Christmas for what purpose would Brockton post that? I'm still waiting on that answer.
I'm not super religious at all, I drink, I cuss, I rarely if ever go to church.......but it irks me that someone would take such a blatant shot at Christianity on Christmas with 0 explanation.
I don't think what he said was offensive at all. If I were a Christian worthy of the name, I'd be deeply offended by Christmas. I'm not sure it matters whether he was the "son" or just a man.
There have been many outside forces that have driven religion to where it is now, the Romans/.The Vatican, King James, the various councils which decided on which books were to be kept in The Bible and which non-canonical books should remain that....you won't find my arguing with those facts at all. In fact certain sects of Christians were killed and their books burned during and after councils like the ones held in Nicaea which is why The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in their hiding places many many years later.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
The whole basis of Christianity is that Jesus was the son of God, without that there is no Christianity.
I'm waiting for Brockton to explain his own words, I've only asked his intentions for such a thread I've not condemned him only questioned the purpose of this thread...what good will come of it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUYkHNAtXTI&feature=player_detailpage&list =FLGjyaYB-WnGjZgCt-Vc9Gkg
This should be your outlook on life.:)
Himself with those types of men back then and also preceding them thousands of years followed the stars and celestial seasons with Earths. They knew much more than the controlling people who came later on who took control over religion the same who swore the world was flat and was the center of all the universe etc and would kill anyone who disagreed with them publicly. The ancient ones here on Earth prior to the dumming down of humanity by those controlling Godless idiots who burned people and knowledge, knew everything was round and that time was cyclic not lineal and was seasonal including the Earths and her people. I think from reading whats left in scripture that they also knew the same about our internal make up being similar but in miniature, seasonal and cyclic linked into the all. The ancient adage 'As above so below' turns out to be truer than we first guessed. Yeshua was apparently heard to have said to a disciple "see there that is your star" while pointing one out etc. Makes you rethink about the Sun thing and how we are made from particles that were a Sun once, before those particles became Earth then us.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Sun of God/ son of God could be similar or the same thing when you think about pre particle stages back into atomic range then back further into just the energy then back further to just only dark matter existing. The sun is only the physical part of the source of all life for a few material dimensions in the galaxy and there are billions of them out there.
Who knows whats behind them? An expanding consciousness of pure energy?Otherwise known as spirit?
Many people also think we are the only physical life form in the Universe,thats highly unlikely too when you look at the scale of things.
Many people also think we are only a physical life form, nothing else,thats also debatable specially now we know of dimensions and how they share borders and how energy or spirit moves from one to the other.
The modern day Christians run from this knowledge in fear, because they can only think in one way like seeing out of one eye,having one point of view, preferring to believe what the men from the exact same age:when the dumming down of humanity occurred took over their books and rejigged them a touch. Its tragic but served a purpose of sorts, knowledge was burned, the Grand Alexandrian library that had thousands of years of knowledge stored was razzed to the floor because it was a threat to someones fixed beliefs. Then the world got dummer and dummer for a while,you can even see it in how some lived in squaller and filth and couldnt think their way out of it, compared with the others proir to them who had running water, sewage systems,growth management etc,Its very strange what happened in between.
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Originally Posted by NVSemin
he meant PECAN bullshit......... as he is a nut.
Jesus was likely a normal bloke who stood up for what he believed in and that is all any man can do. To build it into lies such as returning from the dead, performing magic, immaculate conception, that is just practicing on the gullible. Just a bloke, nothing more, nothing less. Definitely Arab in appearance, and date of birth unknown. In truth nothing is known really, we can only assume that he existed, and that is why it was so easy to make stuff up.
Mate a man with advanced knowledge back in those times where people still thought only in black and white an advanced practice would be seen as miraculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
In the Essene gospel of peace they write about him treating a man in agony whos writhing around onthe ground in pain. He gets a gourd of warm liquid and inserts it into the man who expels a giant tape worm from his regions. This would be seen as de possession by most back then. Could be too looking at it from a different persective than just the material one.
It rains fish, It still happens to this day. Its even rained apples a few times special delivery from Spain all the way over to Cornwall or Devon I think it was, it filled a guys backyard up.
People come back from the dead,the comatose state is like death, besides that very knowledgeable people put a sponge of water and herbs up to his lips ;-).
The miraculous events still occur to this day and to those in tune with their surrounds,when events occur when someone is in need of the event occurring its divine timing to them. Some people can know in advance of events and so its even more a gift of spirit and knowing beyond doubt the event will occur.
Ive seen it first hand,been a part of it.I watched a seven year drought get broken and stayed in a shit hole town just to watch it occur against what locals thought, laughing at my suggestion that this time around things are going to be very different. That night on dusk their town was a raging torrential river and they were the top town on the highest mountain in Queensland you could feel the energy building in the earth on their mountain hours before it hit.
Ive seen it before when people on a beach all their hair stood up straight and pointed to the sky prior to an electrical storm ,I got off the beach quick but you could feel like a calmness of energy collecting but sort of an excitment at the same time. Up the mountain was more intense than that for hours before hand.
Inside of me though I was thanking God for it occurring before it happened,like thank you the drought is broken. But there is always some material explanation these days to how people can know somethings about to happen.
Apparently lighting sends a charge through the ground before it strikes,maybe that was it it that I could feel :-\. So theres the modern day answer so you can dismiss the timing.
But then again Ive had patterns in the sky form right on que too, I cant prove it from what i was thinking and asking within at the time though.Im certain the events would of occurred whether I was there or not :-\. The miracles are in the timing and the requirement being met and hearing that feeling to look in a certain direction at a certain time.
Whats happening on Earth even by our own doing in the material and mental realm are giant miracles of events. Its a shame people can get so caught up in those material ones that they can no longer feel the natural ones for what they are.
This is an amazing trip down here,its all up to you in your own perspective what you get out of stuff, even the worse stuff has its other side of the coin experience if you seek it.
Like they say you can wallow in the shit you just got dealt or you can grow roses in it. Ive really had to live that one out this year.
Jesus existed I am sure of it, but which Jesus or the combination of how many Jesuses, it's all a mystery that will probably never be solved. In any case we have the message of love that he preached and I am confident he preached this to the general pop. I am also confident he taught some pretty bizarre spiritual shit to some very exclusive and mystical sects. I believe he may have traveled to Persia and India and learned some of the Vedism that is so apparent in alot of his teachings. A real amazing and fascinating personality that made a tremendous impact on mankind.
Do I think his story may have been merged with Mithra? Yes.
Mithra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is more historical documentation of Christ than there is of Alexander the great. Many of these reports come from non followers of the time. Josephus the first century historian being one of them. That Christ existed is not in doubt. Billions of people believe him to be the messiah. This one man changed the world like no other. You may not accept him as God, but his existence on the planet is not a maybe. Almost all of his early followers went on and spread his word knowing that they would be mocked, tortured and killed. Why would they do this.
You can believe in miracles or do not believe in them. And your life will be according to your belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
It has nothing to do with the "historical documentation".
All sounds familiar.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Hmm, who's the boggie man? a jew?
http://existenz.se/out.php?id=94861
who the hell was that crazy Greek?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xwetie
Andre, I really have to object to you luring me in with an incredibly long post. You do know I am trying to leave. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreMate a man with advanced knowledge back in those times where people still thought only in black and white an advanced practice would be seen as miraculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
In the Essene gospel of peace they write about him treating a man in agony whos writhing around onthe ground in pain. He gets a gourd of warm liquid and inserts it into the man who expels a giant tape worm from his regions. This would be seen as de possession by most back then. Could be too looking at it from a different persective than just the material one.
It rains fish, It still happens to this day. Its even rained apples a few times special delivery from Spain all the way over to Cornwall or Devon I think it was, it filled a guys backyard up.
People come back from the dead,the comatose state is like death, besides that very knowledgeable people put a sponge of water and herbs up to his lips ;-).
The miraculous events still occur to this day and to those in tune with their surrounds,when events occur when someone is in need of the event occurring its divine timing to them. Some people can know in advance of events and so its even more a gift of spirit and knowing beyond doubt the event will occur.
Ive seen it first hand,been a part of it.I watched a seven year drought get broken and stayed in a shit hole town just to watch it occur against what locals thought, laughing at my suggestion that this time around things are going to be very different. That night on dusk their town was a raging torrential river and they were the top town on the highest mountain in Queensland you could feel the energy building in the earth on their mountain hours before it hit.
Ive seen it before when people on a beach all their hair stood up straight and pointed to the sky prior to an electrical storm ,I got off the beach quick but you could feel like a calmness of energy collecting but sort of an excitment at the same time. Up the mountain was more intense than that for hours before hand.
Inside of me though I was thanking God for it occurring before it happened,like thank you the drought is broken. But there is always some material explanation these days to how people can know somethings about to happen.
Apparently lighting sends a charge through the ground before it strikes,maybe that was it it that I could feel :-\. So theres the modern day answer so you can dismiss the timing.
But then again Ive had patterns in the sky form right on que too, I cant prove it from what i was thinking and asking within at the time though.Im certain the events would of occurred whether I was there or not :-\. The miracles are in the timing and the requirement being met and hearing that feeling to look in a certain direction at a certain time.
Whats happening on Earth even by our own doing in the material and mental realm are giant miracles of events. Its a shame people can get so caught up in those material ones that they can no longer feel the natural ones for what they are.
This is an amazing trip down here,its all up to you in your own perspective what you get out of stuff, even the worse stuff has its other side of the coin experience if you seek it.
Like they say you can wallow in the shit you just got dealt or you can grow roses in it. Ive really had to live that one out this year.
Firstly, it isn't cut and dry that Jesus existed as I have seen mentioned in this thread. There are doubters, though they are the minority and should be assumed as much.
Secondly, the genuine evidence about Jesus and his life is non-existant. It is all heresay and gossip spun as fact and fact spun as superpower. There is no genuine evidence that this man in extremely primitive times could have been anything more than a moralist or at best a moralist with conjuring tricks as genuine magic doesn't exist.
I don't deny that there are amazing things in the world, but most of those amazing things have been or are being explained by science. Jesus could get away with one trick perhaps, but to get away with so many? It has to be made up. Either you got lucky healing the sick now and then or you were one of the rare people to physically rise up from the dead, but you don't get lucky and draw trump cards in every single way that Jesus is credited with. It is untenable and extremely unrealistic. It is very realistic that one could throw a wobbler at the bankers though as we see it happening every day. Thus as a normal man with moral views, then yes, absolutely. A magic man son of God with superpowers, utter gibberish.
I think what we have is different definitions of miracle. What you see as a miracle are the less common, but rationally explainable elements of nature. I don't see them as miracles, but I would definitely agree that can be astounding and incredible. Take Lourdes for instance, they are documenting cases and cases of people, but in truth, there are no real miracles. There is the occasional instance where someone has found the mental strength to recover from something, but on the whole there are no real miracles. The universe as explained by science thus far is much more of a miracle, but I wouldn't leave it to that word alone. I would let the reasoning explain it, as it will in due course by smarter men than I.
I don't find it negative or defeatist to not believe in miracles, but I think one should always be pragmatic. I think there is incredible romance, and beauty, and wonder in the world, but I also know that the mind can be fooled by chemical tricks and illusions or outright self delusion.
Who was it that said if you introduce the latest technology to a primitive society, you can make them believe in magic? It's sad that on book based on heresay has such a stranglehold despite us having the technology to know so much more. You would think some of the technology could destroy the bollocks, but seemingly freedom of information counts for nothing when the propaganda strangles you young.
Yeshua Ben Pandera and Yeshua Ha Notzri both walked the earth and both performed miracles. One of them---we dont know which---and the other's acts and sayings were combined over the years into a single entity.
Technology doesn't inherently equal good. There have been and are several very bright people who have been very evil and filled with hate. Their ability to be smart has only made them more effective in being evil it has not brought more peace to the world or more goodness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Threads like this make me miss Marsax and Bilbo.
Religion does it not cause , a lot of trouble to the human race , it does in fact make us intolerant
of others of there religious beliefs. Who is right who is wrong,! when the nuts knock your door
and start quoting the Bible to you, leave people alone simple FUCK OFF you pests.
Yes I'm intolerant because, I simple want to live my life MY WAY, you don't have to be religious
to do or show acts of kindness. What suits you may not suit me, it's hard to live to a book that's
over 2,000 years old. Time moves on but some people that follow, theses Religions are stuck in
the dark ages, server punishment is dished out to this day.
Pantera.His writings and some future relatives via Scotland ended up in the Americas.1000 years after him,legend has it; a white man came out of the sea(bearded white man probably got out of a boat) and his story went from near peru right up to charka canyon teaching love one another and about the sunkings.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I would take the word smart out of the equation and replace it with religious. Hitler himself was a Catholic, Blair a Catholic, Bush a Christian Fundamentalist, the Middle East is full of off their rocker type leaders who will stone a women for looking at a man. Religion has been the greatest hindrance to human peace in human history.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongTechnology doesn't inherently equal good. There have been and are several very bright people who have been very evil and filled with hate. Their ability to be smart has only made them more effective in being evil it has not brought more peace to the world or more goodness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Even the people to be protected as advocated by Jesus, was only a 'protect our own' peace. He wanted to protect Jews and Jews alone, the love thy neighbors of the 10 commandments were Jews, it was only ever about another form of worshipping in a cult. Heathens were always acceptable roadkill according to the Bible.
If, and I really doubt most of the evidence proffered in the Bible, is true, Jesus really decided to sacrifice himself in an attempt to cleanse away all past and future sins, then it was surely an act of supreme arrogance, as he clearly wasn't the son of God. More realistic was that he was bugging the Romans, got caught and died. End of. Then later, some blokes get an idea on how to reinterpret that life and it became influence and power.
Gandalf, I just want to mention one thing. Hitler wasn't Catholic. He may have been baptized in the faith but in order to be Catholic you actually have to attempt to practice the faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI would take the word smart out of the equation and replace it with religious. Hitler himself was a Catholic, Blair a Catholic, Bush a Christian Fundamentalist, the Middle East is full of off their rocker type leaders who will stone a women for looking at a man. Religion has been the greatest hindrance to human peace in human history.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongTechnology doesn't inherently equal good. There have been and are several very bright people who have been very evil and filled with hate. Their ability to be smart has only made them more effective in being evil it has not brought more peace to the world or more goodness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Even the people to be protected as advocated by Jesus, was only a 'protect our own' peace. He wanted to protect Jews and Jews alone, the love thy neighbors of the 10 commandments were Jews, it was only ever about another form of worshipping in a cult. Heathens were always acceptable roadkill according to the Bible.
If, and I really doubt most of the evidence proffered in the Bible, is true, Jesus really decided to sacrifice himself in an attempt to cleanse away all past and future sins, then it was surely an act of supreme arrogance, as he clearly wasn't the son of God. More realistic was that he was bugging the Romans, got caught and died. End of. Then later, some blokes get an idea on how to reinterpret that life and it became influence and power.
[/QUOTE] Gandalf, I just want to mention one thing. Hitler wasn't Catholic. He may have been baptized in the faith but in order to be Catholic you actually have to attempt to practice the faith.[/QUOTE]
That's some good insight
And Mao & Stalin worshipped what? You would be the expert on arrogance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf