Yes that Bowe would annihilate Wlad as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
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Yes that Bowe would annihilate Wlad as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I could swallow that. Bowe is long enough, strong enough and was good enough for to be worthy of that challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes that Bowe would annihilate Wlad as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Joe Louis was clearly not. And it isn't his fault he was around nearly a hundred years ago!!
If Joe Louis was born at the same time as Bowe he would have been bigger and stronger than he originally was but he may not have had the hunger and desire with all the Mcdonalds that are around today. He probably would have been an accountant sitting behind a desk. Why get punched in the head for a living?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI could swallow that. Bowe is long enough, strong enough and was good enough for to be worthy of that challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes that Bowe would annihilate Wlad as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Joe Louis was clearly not. And it isn't his fault he was around nearly a hundred years ago!!
Louis couldnt beat an 03 James Toney...
This aint the 30s no more.. time to wake up and live in the real time.
LOL Finito...
Look Master that is the endgame comment of all the OTBN (Old Time Nut Bag) community. "If he lived today he'd be this or that". That's not what this is about. If he had modern training and diet and a totally different life, he wouldn't even BE Joe Louis anymore would he!! And I'm glad you included the motivation aspect as well, not because I believe it's true of modern fighters, I don't, but because you identified that the bad aspects of a modern fighter would be bestowed on him as well as the good which most OTNB focus o solely.
I'm only concerned about the Joe Louis who actually WAS vs the Riddick Bowe who actually WAS.
Throw that Bowe in 1930's and 40's Bowe would have deserted the army and got shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Think of it this way bruh. Throw Bowe in the 30s and slavery would still be fresh on his mind which would make him a very hungry fighter. We are talking about the 30s bruh. Bowe wouldn't have the luxury of fast foods , he would have to walk for miles just to get to the nearest butcher shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThrow that Bowe in 1930's and 40's Bowe would have deserted the army and got shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Imagine a hungry 6"5 giant VS a tiny Louis. Bowe would do a demolition job on him.
This is just wrong on so many levels. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThink of it this way bruh. Throw Bowe in the 30s and slavery would still be fresh on his mind which would make him a very hungry fighter. We are talking about the 30s bruh. Bowe wouldn't have the luxury of fast foods , he would have to walk for miles just to get to the nearest butcher shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThrow that Bowe in 1930's and 40's Bowe would have deserted the army and got shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Imagine a hungry 6"5 giant VS a tiny Louis. Bowe would do a demolition job on him.
Why is it wrong? I think u misunderstood me because I wasn't trying to be funny. I was being objective about the 1930s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusThis is just wrong on so many levels. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThink of it this way bruh. Throw Bowe in the 30s and slavery would still be fresh on his mind which would make him a very hungry fighter. We are talking about the 30s bruh. Bowe wouldn't have the luxury of fast foods , he would have to walk for miles just to get to the nearest butcher shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThrow that Bowe in 1930's and 40's Bowe would have deserted the army and got shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Imagine a hungry 6"5 giant VS a tiny Louis. Bowe would do a demolition job on him.
The 30s wasn't too long after the blacks got freed but they still dealt with discrimination.
This is one of the reasons why there were so many great, hungry black fighters during that time and bowe would be no different.
Bowe with his ftreakish size, would be a straight up monster.
One thing is for sure bruh and its that bowe would have a totally different mindset.
We gathered that, you have no interest in debate and wish to stand in a closed circle looking only in one direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
A hungry man does not have the luxury of being a 6 foot 5 giant.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaWhy is it wrong? I think u misunderstood me because I wasn't trying to be funny. I was being objective about the 1930s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusThis is just wrong on so many levels. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThink of it this way bruh. Throw Bowe in the 30s and slavery would still be fresh on his mind which would make him a very hungry fighter. We are talking about the 30s bruh. Bowe wouldn't have the luxury of fast foods , he would have to walk for miles just to get to the nearest butcher shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThrow that Bowe in 1930's and 40's Bowe would have deserted the army and got shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Imagine a hungry 6"5 giant VS a tiny Louis. Bowe would do a demolition job on him.
The 30s wasn't too long after the blacks got freed but they still dealt with discrimination.
This is one of the reasons why there were so many great, hungry black fighters during that time and bowe would be no different.
Bowe with his ftreakish size, would be a straight up monster.
One thing is for sure bruh and its that bowe would have a totally different mindset.
Im not going to act like nutrition has no part in it but size is mainly determined by genetics..Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzA hungry man does not have the luxury of being a 6 foot 5 giant.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaWhy is it wrong? I think u misunderstood me because I wasn't trying to be funny. I was being objective about the 1930s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusThis is just wrong on so many levels. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThink of it this way bruh. Throw Bowe in the 30s and slavery would still be fresh on his mind which would make him a very hungry fighter. We are talking about the 30s bruh. Bowe wouldn't have the luxury of fast foods , he would have to walk for miles just to get to the nearest butcher shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThrow that Bowe in 1930's and 40's Bowe would have deserted the army and got shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Imagine a hungry 6"5 giant VS a tiny Louis. Bowe would do a demolition job on him.
The 30s wasn't too long after the blacks got freed but they still dealt with discrimination.
This is one of the reasons why there were so many great, hungry black fighters during that time and bowe would be no different.
Bowe with his ftreakish size, would be a straight up monster.
One thing is for sure bruh and its that bowe would have a totally different mindset.
Yeah I think Riddick Bowe would have still grown to be an abnormally large man anyhow.
In fact there is some evidence that caloric restrictions can lead to a taller+leaner body type than the shorter+thicker type that high calorie diets lead to.
The ancient Spartans were first to employ such a diet to their soldiers in the hopes of producing taller more athletic soldiers.
Of course I think diet has mcuh to do with the overall size but I have a feeling Riddick was gonna be around 6'5" tall anyway!! Just maybe not so hefty!! Or chubby.
So maybe it would have been better if Bowe had been born in 30's where he would have the hunger and desire to realise his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He'd run a risk of not having the pedigree and Olympic background. Also given the time he'd probably be drafted after WWII. If he didn't flunk out of boot again, off course. If he just climbed into the time machine thread though he could just walk into 1930 his fat jolly disinterested self maybe ??? Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo maybe it would have been better if Bowe had been born in 30's where he would have the hunger and desire to realise his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Now you are taking this thread too seriously that it is giving you a headache. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe'd run a risk of not having the pedigree and Olympic background. Also given the time he'd probably be drafted after WWII. If he didn't flunk out of boot again, off course. If he just climbed into the time machine thread though he could just walk into 1930 his fat jolly disinterested self maybe ??? Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo maybe it would have been better if Bowe had been born in 30's where he would have the hunger and desire to realise his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
I take little too serious ;D Especially when it comes to Conn being dismissed and called a bum while a obese shot Dokes is not for Bowe. It's better than f'kn Disney world while on blotter!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNow you are taking this thread too seriously that it is giving you a headache. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe'd run a risk of not having the pedigree and Olympic background. Also given the time he'd probably be drafted after WWII. If he didn't flunk out of boot again, off course. If he just climbed into the time machine thread though he could just walk into 1930 his fat jolly disinterested self maybe ??? Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo maybe it would have been better if Bowe had been born in 30's where he would have the hunger and desire to realise his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Any takers on the Dokes that Bowe fought vs the Conn that Louis did??
;) ;) lol
The same goes for Louis vs Bowes career list of opponents as does Ali vs Wlads career list of opponents imo. Double digit losses and losing to every major opponent.
And should Wlad or Bowe have faced Louis or Ali's opponents they would have knocked almost every single one of them out (with an obvious exception in the case of Foreman of course). And not only that...
It would be EASY work!!
I've got a good one for ya...
Billy Conn vs Gennady Golovkin??
Golovkin KO
Joe Louis vs Jesse Fergusson?
Fergusson KO
In more competitive fights though.
Riddick Bowe would fall on Joe Louis. His lard ass would smash Mr Louis.
Although Louis was big for the times, he would still look like a super middle weight next to Bowe.
I think Bowe stops him in devastating fashion.
Size appears to be folks' primary concern, but Bowe's sole loss (which also happened in Bowe's prime) was to Holyfield who was basically the same size as Joe Louis. Same height, same weight. Except Joe is one of the hardest punchers in Boxing history, and Holyfield never had a Heavyweight punch. Holy was a good combination puncher, Louis was a better combination puncher...and with harder punches.
Joe was fundamentally sound, one of the best schooled, textbook fighters there's ever been, whereas Holyfield fought off-balance a helluva lot.
Bowe was damn good for a short time, and had wonderful physical attributes, and was a fantastic inside fighter considering he was so tall with those long arms. He was also psychologically unsound and lacked discipline.
6'5", 235 lbs was about his best weight, 246 or more was too heavy for him.
Joe Louis decimated big men like:
6' 4", 254 lb Abe Simon
6' 5½", 260 lb Primo Carnera
6' 4 ½" 220 lb Jorge Brescia
6' 6½", 250 lb Buddy Baer
Smaller, faster, speedier guys gave Louis more trouble to catch up with them as they skedaddled around the ring away from him. I think a prime Joe Louis would knock out a prime Riddick Bowe, but it'd be a great fight, probably go 11 rds maybe.
"Holyfield was basically the same size as Joe Louis" - No bradlee, Holyfield was a 215lb steroid pumped super athlete with no bodyfat. Louis was a skinny/fat 205lb actual CW sized fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
"Joe is one of the hardest punchers in history and Holyfield never had a HW punch" - true Holy never had a HW punch. But Joe would not have been able to punch anywhere near as hard as Holyfield and probably would not rate in the top 100 HW boxers of all time in power!
Holy was a better combination puncher than Louis and hit harder, and faster, and pretty much did everything to the letter better than Louis.
Joe Louis had great technique against the criteria of his opposition, he was ahead of his time. Holyfield's was much better. As are many, many boxers since Louis. Obviously!
Your description of Bowe was accurate.
Joe Louis decimated the listed big men because they were absolute rubbish! Nothing more.
Smaller men giving Louis more trouble was a sign that the big men had no skills back then, Bowe was obviously not the same mould as that.
Thinking Louis would KO a guy the size and skill of Bowe the likes he never seen when he couldn't even KO all of his own piss weak opponents and considering Bowe was never knocked out entire career against better and much more powerful opponents is beyond laughable.
You should stop thinking and just listen.
And you have just exposed yourself as a complete fool! :cool:
Max for the last time, because you really are getting on my tits, size does not matter ask your wife.
Champions are made because they dominated their time and showed their greatness by being consistent. Joe Louis is a heavyweight great Bowe will never be. He had the potential but blew it and that is his own fault. Who cares if he fought Joe now or Bowe fought then, there are too many variables to take into consideration. On any given day anything can happen because this is boxing and a left hook from Louis could certainly knock down Bowe.
Get over yourself and your obsession with size.
Master my man, I would like to make a formal introduction of Max Power.. he may not be a friend of ours yet, but he's now a friend of mine and I would like for you guys to get along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You too, Max Power.. Master has been a friend of mine for awhile now and this guy is legit.. he's a made member of this thing of ours.
As Finito disappears into the dark room in a three piece Armani...
Alright I'll drop it for now, enuf is enuf!! (y)
Will the Giants 6 foot 5 Bowe be able to hammer out the brown bomber. Or will the brown bomber have more success against bowe than the real deal Holyfield had?
Different era. Louis is probably the second greatest heavyweight ever. That being said, a modern behemoth like Bowe would likely be too big and too much for Joe to overcome.
If Joe Louis was around 1990's he would have been bigger and stronger and the punches that Holyfield landed would have stopped Bowe.
If Bowe lived in the 40's he would have been a skinny runt who would have been slaughtered by Joe.
Joe was phenomenal when it came to punching technique, and punching power. His short punches were similar to Bruce Lee's one inch punch, where they almost defied the laws of physics to be able to generate so much force in so little time/distance. Joe also was an excellent jabber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
While I agree with your point on how each would be affected by swapping eras, the two major factors that I see remaining constant are Joes limited lateral movement/foot speed, and his lack of height/length. I feel those factors would always hurt Joe (style vs style) against guys like Bowe, Holmes, Ali...etc. Not saying Joe stood no chance, because the guy is an ATG who can PUNCH. Just saying, it would be very difficult to overcome a guy like Bowe.
With todays diet,drugs, and training we are talking about a 225 Louis. He would be hard to beat. I have never seen a HW that can put big shots together as fast or as hard as Joe Louis.
Joe Louis by early to mid round KO....he punched harder than Holyfield given his record. Bowe was too willing to give up his height and reach and in doing so he was easy to hit....bad news for ANY Louis opponent.
But hell I don't get a say....it only matters what ross says
Bowe had the heaviest jab in history! Human teeth where embedded in the leather of the glove. Louis was a come at you fighter so he would've eaten a lot of jabs, then there was the famed uppercut left hook combination by Bowe don't be surprised if he knocked Louis out.
True but Bowe did take unnecessary shots and Louis could hit hard with short, sharp shots of his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by red fox
Joe Louis would be the biggest puncher Bowe ever fought by a mile!
My video shows exactly how Joe and his era fought. In that video, does that version of Joe look like he or anybody else would land anything on foreman or people he fought?
Look up foreman louis advanced on youtube
he and guys from his time look like novices compared side by side to no names Foreman fought, and in no way does anyone from that era look like they would last 1 round vs. guys in the 70s-'90s so why did clearly not sane people say louis wins?
El merged. Honestly not one I've given much thought to. Hypotheticals can be a like dog chasing its tail but given everything we watched play out I'd lean to the likelihood that Bowe would not have the mental discipline and Bowe was not exactly hard to miss with short to long straight right hands. Now should Bowe of the Holyfield I manage to make an appearance and fight off the jab to force Louis into his wheelhouse that would be rough for Joe. But it would also open him up to quality timed heavy punches. Not many Bowe faced had the natural unforced thump of Louis.
https://youtu.be/a27vtfAuSyI?si=BGAirVUy_WdqMjjd looks like novices compared to 70s-90s so yea bowe faced way more advanced fighters liar, so how exactly would Joe land? When he didn't even face guys as advanced as the guys in my video? You people aren't sane at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Before morning coffee with the insults and troll Joe? Take a break from spamming up the place Joe, you’re clearly not interested or incapable in discussion. Cheers fellaQuote:
Originally Posted by joe smithhttps://youtu.be/a27vtfAuSyI?si=BGAirVUy_WdqMjjd looks like novices compared to 70s-90s so yea bowe faced way more advanced fighters liar, so how exactly would Joe land? When he didn't even face guys as advanced as the guys in my video? You people aren't sane at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
looks like novices as the video shows it hurts i know seeing the truth,i cant make fighters more advanced than video showsQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBefore morning coffee with the insults and troll Joe? Take a break from spamming up the place Joe, you’re clearly not interested or incapable in discussion. Cheers fellaQuote:
Originally Posted by joe smithhttps://youtu.be/a27vtfAuSyI?si=BGAirVUy_WdqMjjd looks like novices compared to 70s-90s so yea bowe faced way more advanced fighters liar, so how exactly would Joe land? When he didn't even face guys as advanced as the guys in my video? You people aren't sane at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli