Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

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Originally Posted by Max Power

@ross. I'm not suggesting he did inherit the other 50% automatically. But the point was that the only reason he did not unify the titles is because his brother held it and they wouldn't fight.

Are you implying that in the absence of Vitali that Wladimir would not have been the undisputed champ? Because I think intuitively most ppl know that Wladimir definitely would have held the WBC as well the whole time.

What's more, your saying that Vitali fought half the dangerous opponents while Wlad only fought half.

Except Wladimir fought at a respectable rate for the HW champ. Had he had to go through the entire list of Vitali's opponents as well that would have brought him up to nearly 100 fights! 100 fights in this 230lbs super heavy era is outrageous, especially in the time frame required.

There are just too many opponents for that to have occurred in theory. It's like saying Lennox Lewis did not fight all the contenders because he failed to face guys like Byrd, Ruiz, Bowe, Wladimir, Sanders etc. And Lewis only had 44 fights whole career!

Basically you are implying Wlad's legacy is smashed because he happened to have a brother that held a belt too and fought opponents that Wlad did not. That's a bit much.

@erics44 Yeah his holding has been on the excessive in some fights but really only completely over the top in just one fight, Povetkin. But in between all the holding I think I seen a one sided beating the rest of the time as well. It was still dominanting. I think Wlad could have beat him without it. It's just the easiest way for him to do it.

It's not officially cheating anyway. It just sucked.

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Yes and they have held back Wlads standing by a long shot. I do believe that IF Wlad did manage to unify, it wouldnt have been any where near as long a reign as he would have had more mandatories to face and wouldnt have had as much time for his pointless fill in fights. Its a harder schedule which is why those who unify and defend and win as u disputed champ deserve far more credit.

Also, yes, Lewis did avoid certain fighters, like Byrd who he didnt want to get anywhere near when he dropped the IBF.

Jesus, listen ross. The WBC nolonger allows you to carry other titles. Defending all the belts is quite literally impossible! It's not a matter of want to or difficulty, it's impossible. So stop saying it.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Jesus, listen ross. The WBC nolonger allows you to carry other titles. Defending all the belts is quite literally impossible! It's not a matter of want to or difficulty, it's impossible. So stop saying it.

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Did not realise that, so we will not get it unified like Tyson and Lennox did?

This clown said that past boxers were punching bags? He's saying that Gene Tunney, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Joe Louis were punching bags?

YDKSAB.

But please, tell us how the likes of Pianeta, Wach, and Povetkin would be undefeated in past eras. Povetkin went life and death with Huck, a limited CW.

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Originally Posted by VG_Addict

This clown said that past boxers were punching bags? He's saying that Gene Tunney, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Joe Louis were punching bags?

YDKSAB.

But please, tell us how the likes of Pianeta, Wach, and Povetkin would be undefeated in past eras. Povetkin went life and death with Huck, a limited CW.

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Because they are heavy and have better access to new fitness systems or some crap like that I think the bender would say.

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Jesus, listen ross. The WBC nolonger allows you to carry other titles. Defending all the belts is quite literally impossible! It's not a matter of want to or difficulty, it's impossible. So stop saying it.

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Did not realise that, so we will not get it unified like Tyson and Lennox did?

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To be honest I didnt either!

I still dont change my view that Vitali being around has hurt Wlads legacy because im not the only one who thinks in a bout between the two that Vitali would win.

The only regning champ Lewis beat was Holyfield.

Mike Tyson is the only man to genuinely unify the three main titles by beating three reigning, defending champions.

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Originally Posted by VG_Addict

This clown said that past boxers were punching bags? He's saying that Gene Tunney, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Joe Louis were punching bags?

YDKSAB.

But please, tell us how the likes of Pianeta, Wach, and Povetkin would be undefeated in past eras. Povetkin went life and death with Huck, a limited CW.

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He once said that Mormeck was far better than Joe Louis.

I said A LOT of old boxers were punching bags. Louis was not exactly evasive. Mormeck is definitely better than Joe Louis.

There is no comparison between Mormeck and Louis. Mormeck is much bigger, much leaner fitter stronger and has a higher skill level than Louis.

Just look at them!

Mormeck is a 6 time world champion at cruiser which back then was HW! I have no problem defending Mormeck there.

Sure, Walcott was no punch bag but please, name 1, just one, opponent he could beat today for me to laugh at lol?

Anyway on Wlad's non-clinch fights, why not watch the Thompson x2 (a top opponent) and Wach (an unbeaten opponent who out-weighed+out-talled) affairs again and see how much holding there is by comparison. And then maybe the Chagaev fight (another top opponent) where he manages to keep a short opponent who tried to box properly at bay. I think the holding is as much his opponents fault as it is Wlad's.

Who cares if Vitali was better. I am insisting both ways. Were Vitali not there, Wlad would have been undisputed, if Wlad was not there, Vitali would have been.

I think Vitali was better initially but I think since atleast 08/09 Wlad was better. I think that Vitali's reign in the absence of Wlad would be broken by David Haye.

Vitali was better overall but I think Haye would have beaten the less mobile Vitali in 2010.

Huck vs Povetkin..

Huck was a CHAMPION CW (which back in the old days was HW remember) who stepped up to HW. When he met Povetkin he WAS a HW, there's a difference between that and an ACTUAL sub200 CW.

The only guy we can give credit for beating a HW as an actual CW in recent times is Roy Jones vs John Ruiz, one of the best CW champs of all time vs one of the worst HW champs of recent times.

I'll humor you, tell me how Mormeck is better than Louis.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

I said A LOT of old boxers were punching bags. Louis was not exactly evasive. Mormeck is definitely better than Joe Louis.

There is no comparison between Mormeck and Louis. Mormeck is much bigger, much leaner fitter stronger and has a higher skill level than Louis.

Just look at them!

Mormeck is a 6 time world champion at cruiser which back then was HW! I have no problem defending Mormeck there.

Sure, Walcott was no punch bag but please, name 1, just one, opponent he could beat today for me to laugh at lol?

Anyway on Wlad's non-clinch fights, why not watch the Thompson x2 (a top opponent) and Wach (an unbeaten opponent who out-weighed+out-talled) affairs again and see how much holding there is by comparison. And then maybe the Chagaev fight (another top opponent) where he manages to keep a short opponent who tried to box properly at bay. I think the holding is as much his opponents fault as it is Wlad's.

Who cares if Vitali was better. I am insisting both ways. Were Vitali not there, Wlad would have been undisputed, if Wlad was not there, Vitali would have been.

I think Vitali was better initially but I think since atleast 08/09 Wlad was better. I think that Vitali's reign in the absence of Wlad would be broken by David Haye.

Vitali was better overall but I think Haye would have beaten the less mobile Vitali in 2010.

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6 time world champ? He tried to unify with O Neil Bell but got knocked out. How is he a 6 time champ?

Who cares if Vitali was better? Everyone who laughs when Wlads reign as the best Heavyweight for years is mentioned.....

You think Haye would have beaten Vitali? Why do you think Haye wanted Wlad so much? It was all down to the Sanders fight. So many times Haye mentioned that he would do the same with his speed. He forgot you still need balls to get inside and do it. He would have watched Vitali V Lewis and thought "fuck that!"

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Huck vs Povetkin..

Huck was a CHAMPION CW (which back in the old days was HW remember) who stepped up to HW. When he met Povetkin he WAS a HW, there's a difference between that and an ACTUAL sub200 CW.

The only guy we can give credit for beating a HW as an actual CW in recent times is Roy Jones vs John Ruiz, one of the best CW champs of all time vs one of the worst HW champs of recent times.

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Jones was never a cruiser before he fought Ruiz?;D Plus, how much credit do you give someone who was found using illegal substances?

I will answer to just one moot point here... I don't think Haye could get Vitali early on, no way!!! But in 2010, when he fought Wlad, I think he would have because Vitali was not as mobile as he was earlier times. Wlad was definitely the better opponent for Haye at that time. Look at the difficulty Vitali had dominating Chisora, Haye smashed the shit out of him.

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I will answer to just one moot point here... I don't think Haye could get Vitali early on, no way!!! But in 2010, when he fought Wlad, I think he would have because Vitali was not as mobile as he was earlier times. Wlad was definitely the better opponent for Haye at that time. Look at the difficulty Vitali had dominating Chisora, Haye smashed the shit out of him.

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Haye caught Chisora because Chisora is shorter and was in his face. Haye had no choice but to fight back.

Against Vitali, Haye would have looked worse than he did against Wlad. He would have been put under pressure and would have to run a lot more. ;D

Hayes whole reason for going to heavy was what he saw in the Sanders fight and then subsequent knockdowns against Peter, Brewster, Williamson etc. he thought he'd crack that chin easy but to do that you have to have the stomach to push the fight yourself, which he proved, he didn't have.

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Originally Posted by VG_Addict

I'll humor you, tell me how Mormeck is better than Louis.

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Max is off the planet. Mormeck was fitter than Joe Louis. ;D

@Master Come on mate, you will not find a sober sports analyst alive that would claim Louis was fitter than Mormeck and you know it. You can google Mormeck training and you can see that he used some of the most advanced and brutal methods available for the Klitschko fight. Look at it! Meanwhile Louis can barely time a speedball!!! You can look up that as well!!

Face it man, times change. You really think that boxing is a timeless sport!!??

I can't think of any pro Louis could beat today really!

Joe Louis was a fighting machine who was lean and mean. He destroyed opponents, he was vicious and efficient fighter. How you can say he was not fit is beyond belief. Just because it is in black and white does not mean they were poor fighters.

I did not say he was a poor fighter and I did not say he was not fit. He was very fit and a great fighter on the contrary (duh).

You do not become the HW champion of the world by being a poor fighter and you'd definitely want to be pretty bloody fit as well in any era.

I said he was not as good a fighter as Mormeck and nowhere near as fit. That I believe is certain.

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I did not say he was a poor fighter and I did not say he was not fit. He was very fit and a great fighter on the contrary (duh).

You do not become the HW champion of the world by being a poor fighter and you'd definitely want to be pretty bloody fit as well in any era.

I said he was not as good a fighter as Mormeck and nowhere near as fit. That I believe is certain.

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Mormecks fitness was fuck all against ONeil Bell and Haye. Haye himself has shit stamina!

Im starting to see what master is on about. Thought he was being harsh but you are spouting shit.

Maybe Bell and Haye were high quality opponents?

Take a click on all Mormecks opponents, especially the loss ones and just see the quality of their records at a glance. And then do the same for Louis and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

They were all good boxers but one of them fought mostly bums... And 3 of them did not! :)

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Maybe Bell and Haye were high quality opponents?

Take a click on all Mormecks opponents, especially the loss ones and just see the quality of their records at a glance. And then do the same for Louis and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

They were all good boxers but one of them fought mostly bums... And 3 of them did not! :)

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I don't rate Haye or Bell

Haye lost to Thompson and wanted no rematch. The only other name he has a win over at cruiser is Enzo;D

He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

Did you say "that is a little bit disrespectful"? Read your posts about Joe Louis, Joe Frazier, Ali and say that again.

LOL I catch your drift but I did in fact mean that what Haye did was a bit "respectful". I can see how ironic it would have been were I to have taken offense though lol

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He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

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Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

You still haven't told me how Mormeck is more skilled than Louis.

How can anyone say this is a strong HW era when a clumsy oaf like Tyson Fury is a contender?

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He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

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Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

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Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

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You still haven't told me how Mormeck is more skilled than Louis.

How can anyone say this is a strong HW era when a clumsy oaf like Tyson Fury is a contender?

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He has much better movement, he is more solid in defense, Louis couldn't avoid a right hand. He is more fluid and has far better coordination. You can see this by actually watching him with a critical eye rather than just bashing him.

Tyson Fury an oaf so how could it be a good era if he is a top competitor?

Foreman was a top competitor in the 70's, not exactly a technician.

Liston in the 50's, the champ!

PRimo Carnera in the 30's!

Fury is not inferior skillwise to any of these men.

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He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

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Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

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Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

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You could then! This was 2007!

You said he cleaned out a division...

He only fought two of the top ten at that time, avoided another champion, only had two world title/championship level fights and never defended those titles together.

Hardly cleaning out a division.;D

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He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

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Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

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Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

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You could then! This was 2007!

You said he cleaned out a division...

He only fought two of the top ten at that time, avoided another champion, only had two world title/championship level fights and never defended those titles together.

Hardly cleaning out a division.;D

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Fair enough then, I wouldn't say he avoided him though, I'd say he achieved enough there to be considered the top dog by far. He was better than Adamek and Cunningham with any serious reflection. Close enough for me :)

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He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

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Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

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Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

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You could then! This was 2007!

You said he cleaned out a division...

He only fought two of the top ten at that time, avoided another champion, only had two world title/championship level fights and never defended those titles together.

Hardly cleaning out a division.;D

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Fair enough then, I wouldn't say he avoided him though, I'd say he achieved enough there to be considered the top dog by far. He was better than Adamek and Cunningham with any serious reflection. Close enough for me :)

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He was stopped by an ancient worn out Carl Thompson. He was not guaranteed to beat any of the other top cruisers at the time. Huck, Bell, Braithwaite, Cunningham, Adamek, all could have beaten him.

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He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

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Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

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Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

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You could then! This was 2007!

You said he cleaned out a division...

He only fought two of the top ten at that time, avoided another champion, only had two world title/championship level fights and never defended those titles together.

Hardly cleaning out a division.;D

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Fair enough then, I wouldn't say he avoided him though, I'd say he achieved enough there to be considered the top dog by far. He was better than Adamek and Cunningham with any serious reflection. Close enough for me :)

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He was stopped by an ancient worn out Carl Thompson. He was not guaranteed to beat any of the other top cruisers at the time. Huck, Bell, Braithwaite, Cunningham, Adamek, all could have beaten him.

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And now we're just having a dig at David Haye.

Well I think it's rubbish and I'd back Haye against most any of your old favourites anyday! That's all I can really say now.

This was about Wlad breaking Louis' record. In my eyes he's already doubled the HW record. And in my eyes he is only a few fights away from topping it in total.

If you guys wanna put more stringent restrictions on him that's your call, everyone knows who worked harder than who. Not many of Louis' defences even really should count as a defence the opponent was so bad!

37-30 Musto... 174lb Conn... and so on! Please! :rolleyes:

As for Haye, you know he was green and Thompson was a veteran at the time and both were CW. That was his ONLY pro loss besides Klitschko, the most dominant HW champ of all time who outweighed by 35lbs and outtalled by 3"!

Ali on the other hand lost to cans when he WAS seasoned and was dropped by a 185lb guy when he weighed over 210!

Let's all laugh at Ali for losing/struggling with a midget pudgy handicap with no power or chin!? No no can't do that now! ;) Double standards!

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And now we're just having a dig at David Haye.

Well I think it's rubbish and I'd back Haye against most any of your old favourites anyday! That's all I can really say now.

This was about Wlad breaking Louis' record. In my eyes he's already doubled the HW record. And in my eyes he is only a few fights away from topping it in total.

If you guys wanna put more stringent restrictions on him that's your call, everyone knows who worked harder than who. Not many of Louis' defences even really should count as a defence the opponent was so bad!

37-30 Musto... 174lb Conn... and so on! Please! :rolleyes:

As for Haye, you know he was green and Thompson was a veteran at the time and both were CW. That was his ONLY pro loss besides Klitschko, the most dominant HW champ of all time who outweighed by 35lbs and outtalled by 3"!

Ali on the other hand lost to cans when he WAS seasoned and was dropped by a 185lb guy when he weighed over 210!

Let's all laugh at Ali for losing/struggling with a midget pudgy handicap with no power or chin!? No no can't do that now! ;) Double standards!

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Apart from Carl Thompson?

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I would back Haye against Thompson in any rematch of course!

Is Buster better than Mike? No.

Is Rahman better than Lewis? No.

Is Sanders better than Wladimir? No.

Is Byrd better than Vitali? No.

Is Ruiz better than Holyfield? No.

And similarly Thompson is not better than Haye.. He just beat him once!

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I would back Haye against Thompson in any rematch of course!

Is Buster better than Mike? No.

Is Rahman better than Lewis? No.

Is Sanders better than Wladimir? No.

Is Byrd better than Vitali? No.

Is Ruiz better than Holyfield? No.

And similarly Thompson is not better than Haye.. He just beat him once!

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in a boxing fight yes, under wladimir rules you never know

im boring myself now

BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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You have got to be fucking joking! It is well known that Wladimir barely even prepared for the Sanders fight because he didn't even consider him a threat, taken by surprise obviously! I would back Wladimir in any rematch with Sanders just as I'd do for Haye with Thompson.

Wlad vs Sanders was EXACTLY as it was with say McCall vs Lewis, thought they had easy fights, focussed on the future, got busted, and came back :)

No excuse? Lewis had no excuse but laziness.. Wlad has the not too shabby excuse of suffering a massive sandwich headbutt that would have felled about anybody!

Of all of them on the list I gave, Wladimir has the BEST excuse! you fool!

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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You have got to be fucking joking! It is well known that Wladimir barely even prepared for the Sanders fight because he didn't even consider him a threat, taken by surprise obviously! I would back Wladimir in any rematch with Sanders just as I'd do for Haye with Thompson.

Wlad vs Sanders was EXACTLY as it was with say McCall vs Lewis, thought they had easy fights, focussed on the future, got busted, and came back :)

No excuse? Lewis had no excuse but laziness.. Wlad has the not too shabby excuse of suffering a massive sandwich headbutt that would have felled about anybody!

Of all of them on the list I gave, Wladimir has the BEST excuse! you fool!

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Thompson wanted the rematch but Haye didnt. Never even made an offer. Maybe if you were there to reassure Dave that you still back him, he would have made an offer.;D

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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You have got to be fucking joking! It is well known that Wladimir barely even prepared for the Sanders fight because he didn't even consider him a threat, taken by surprise obviously! I would back Wladimir in any rematch with Sanders just as I'd do for Haye with Thompson.

Wlad vs Sanders was EXACTLY as it was with say McCall vs Lewis, thought they had easy fights, focussed on the future, got busted, and came back :)

No excuse? Lewis had no excuse but laziness.. Wlad has the not too shabby excuse of suffering a massive sandwich headbutt that would have felled about anybody!

Of all of them on the list I gave, Wladimir has the BEST excuse! you fool!

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i would, under wladimir rules

under the rules of boxing tho i think sanders would get to him every time

if he were still alive