lol @ Calzaghe being compared to Floyd..
They are leagues apart..
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lol @ Calzaghe being compared to Floyd..
They are leagues apart..
Superb job in contradicting yourself completely and then insulting yourself with your own insult. I am glad that you have turned around and agreed. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Yup, trying to box with floyd is the dumbest mistake a fighter can make but yet they all do it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Sometimes against certain oppositions, no plan is the best plan .. people are talking about this Mayvinci code or whatever that sounds stupid btw but I dont think fighters should not over think when up against floyd.
Just get inside on that ass and throw punches in bunches from odd angles is the best plan against him imo as retarded as it sounds.. fighters should work on their stamina for floyd to force him at a high pace for 12 rounds instead of working on strategy.
Canelo is twice the fighter that maidana is yet he couldnt be half as affective.. look how much of a difference styles can make..
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Based on what exactly?
He's bigger, younger, and much more skilled.. he's just flat out better and it's beyond obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Based on what exactly?
Are you going to disagree?
Yep, i go along with this. Maidana did everything he could and he did make it hard for Floyd. We've all become so accustomed to Floyd taking charge and coasting to the inevitable end that when somebody like Maidana gives him a genuine tough fight we're all a little shocked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
There was a moment in round one (our maybe round two) where Maidana hit Mayweather with (I think) three overhand rights, at least one of which was a very hard shot and it really looked like Maidana had found the punch to short circuit Mayweather but Mayweather (who at this point, was trying to find was to evade the shots), them decided to stand toe to toe and work it out amidst some of the best infighting I've seen this year.
He can still fight but I think really, he'd rather not.
Khan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!! :)
Who's ducking who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerKhan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!! :)
In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:
"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"
C'mon now..
That was a straight up duck and you know it.
NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..
Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium???..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.
Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.
Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:
"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"
Damn
The shit Manny gets away with.
Just the rambling of a complete fool!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWho's ducking who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerKhan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!! :)
In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:
"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"
C'mon now..
That was a straight up duck and you know it.
NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..
Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium???..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.
Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.
Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:
"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"
Damn
The shit Manny gets away with.
Flomo's mate, did he have a board meeting with you all once and discuss the elaborate cover storry you're all to stick with in order to throw off criticism?
It's a red handed situation here mate. He's been running from Pac for years, EVERYONE knows this! It's ok. If he wants to be TBE, tell him all he has to do is get in the bloody ring! ;)
I love Pac fans who just assume "everyone" thinks Floyd is ducking Manny. Let's just forget about issues like Pac being dodgy about drug testing initially....or Pac being controlled by Bob Arum. Yeah...it's all Floyd's fault. He is scared. :rolleyes: But NOW Pac will do anything to fight Floyd..wonder why? Could it be that now, more than ever, he needs the biggest pay day of his life (tax issues, etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerJust the rambling of a complete fool!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWho's ducking who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerKhan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!! :)
In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:
"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"
C'mon now..
That was a straight up duck and you know it.
NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..
Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium???..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.
Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.
Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:
"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"
Damn
The shit Manny gets away with.
Flomo's mate, did he have a board meeting with you all once and discuss the elaborate cover storry you're all to stick with in order to throw off criticism?
It's a red handed situation here mate. He's been running from Pac for years, EVERYONE knows this! It's ok. If he wants to be TBE, tell him all he has to do is get in the bloody ring! ;)
It's no secret Pac was using, the only reason Floyd insisted so strongly is because it was his way out, protecting his 0! The "0" is the only marketability he has, if that should go he'll have to budet his money instead of wasting it up the wall.
And Bob Arum wants the fight as much as Pac does, Pac is near the end, of course Arum would like to cash in on his biggest pay day ever what the hell!
You just accused another person of "rambling" yet you spew this nonsense. So let me get this straight...Floyd should have gone ahead and fought someone who was potentially cheating. Brilliant. Bob Arum wants the fight?! Thank you for that brilliant insight. Of course he does. But Floyd doesn't want to do business with that blood sucking vampire...the same guy who has fighters in his own stable either leaving or suing his repugnant ass. But yeah....the richest athlete in sports should just ignore all of this and fight a guy who is so desperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
I have no problem with you thinking Pac wants the fight just because he says so but I'll point out some holes in the theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
1st you said testing was Floyds way out. That logic is ass backwards. It was agreed. The fight was happening with testing so testing can't be a way out except as an excuse for the guy that pulled out using testing as an excuse. It's certainly not an excuse for the guy that was going ahead with the fight.
2)Manny was just Floyds mandatory, there was one fight he could take to be removed from the mandatory spot. That one fight Manny said "we don't need" until he was Floyds mandatory then he immediately did the thing that would stop that.
3)the cut that wouldn't heal, but healed the day Floyd was sentenced, but when Floyd moved his incarceration they suddenly needed the magical unicorn stadium. A stadium so mystical that even though a temporary stadium can be fabricated in a matter of weeks and constructed in a matter of days would take until exactly 1 week after Floyd turned himself in to be ready. Coincidence? Well you'd have to be missing chromosomes to buy this so far but let's explore it further. Bob said he had an exact date of completion. That would mean he had hired the company to fabricate, hired the construction company, acquired building permits. He could not have an exact date without doing these things. So now we are let to believe Bob paid for a 20 million dollar stadium, since he must have paid if he hired, but didn't have them build it?! It's such stupid and obvious bullspit that it becomes all to clear. But go ahead take a ride with the carebears to the magical unicorn stadium and there you can discuss how much they want the fight.
F it. As long as I'm on a rant let's continue. Building permits are public record. Guess what, Bob did not get a building permit. This is concrete evidence he was lying. Not a matter of opinion, documented or rather undocumented fact.
Neither side wanted the fight. Both sold better when "does this lead to May/Pac?" As long as it looms it elevates them. You can shear a sheep...
I think Floyd's next move will answer the question as to why he struggled in that last fight. If he knew that he did his best and that old age may have caught up with him, then he will definitely retire (again). He will not risk that '0' by putting himself in the same predicament or worse. If Floyd thinks he just had a bad night or he just underestimated the opponent, then we'll have another Floyd fight in our hands.
Zing...Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinI love Pac fans who just assume "everyone" thinks Floyd is ducking Manny. Let's just forget about issues like Pac being dodgy about drug testing initially....or Pac being controlled by Bob Arum. Yeah...it's all Floyd's fault. He is scared. :rolleyes: But NOW Pac will do anything to fight Floyd..wonder why? Could it be that now, more than ever, he needs the biggest pay day of his life (tax issues, etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerJust the rambling of a complete fool!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWho's ducking who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerKhan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!! :)
In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:
"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"
C'mon now..
That was a straight up duck and you know it.
NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..
Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium???..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.
Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.
Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:
"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"
Damn
The shit Manny gets away with.
Flomo's mate, did he have a board meeting with you all once and discuss the elaborate cover storry you're all to stick with in order to throw off criticism?
It's a red handed situation here mate. He's been running from Pac for years, EVERYONE knows this! It's ok. If he wants to be TBE, tell him all he has to do is get in the bloody ring! ;)
Anybody trying to deny Manny rejected a 5050 split over the 14 day cutoff is just as dumb and crooked as Manny.
One side agreed to all the demands...the other made excuses ranging from fear of needles to Stadiums needing to be built and investors from Dubai rounded up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
When Arum refused to make the Oscar fight...Floyd left and made it himself..THAT is what fighters do when they want something.
Manny could EASILLY do the same thing....it's too late now...he's no longer relevant.
Cyclone you really are a persistent little haemorrhoid aren't youQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneOne side agreed to all the demands...the other made excuses ranging from fear of needles to Stadiums needing to be built and investors from Dubai rounded up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
When Arum refused to make the Oscar fight...Floyd left and made it himself..THAT is what fighters do when they want something.
Manny could EASILLY do the same thing....it's too late now...he's no longer relevant.
So let me get this straight max Mayweather says lets do better testing for riods and i will give you 40 mill and pac says no to that. Then pacs a fucking coward ducking fuck that could not learn how to cycle his drugs for 40 million dollars that in it self makes me think it is not just Mayweathers fault.
The same reason why my alarm didn't go off this morning - Bob fucking Arum !
I have watched the fight and I had it 7-5 to Maidana. I think Floyd chose to stand his ground, thinking Chino would not be good enough. Next time Floyd will box to an easy victory. I do not think Floyd has got old he did the same with Cotto, he stood more and traded because he knew he could. He would not do that against Canelo, who is too big and strong.
I think Floyd struggles because he is God in human form....but then again some Floyd fans might not find that praise high enough :rolleyes:
I don't think he struggled that much. It was a dirty dog fight and Maidana did the best he could with what he had. I'm sure we will see it again in Sept because there are really no options besides Pac and the soon to be fasting Amir Khan. If the so called controversial scoring storyline continues strongly until then we will have another fight where Floyd will make it look easier the next time around. Keep riding the Maidana wave.
I agree, Floyd will run more and not engage as much. Chino needs to punch Floyd is the dick some more and rough him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
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Originally Posted by MasterI agree, Floyd will run more and not engage as much. Chino needs to punch Floyd is the dick some more and rough him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
It has always been my opinion that dick punching is severely underrated. Its highly effective.
Floyd's problem was pressure, pressure, and pressure.
I was thinking that myself master. If a rematch happened it might be similar as to what Chavez did to Vera in the rematch, a completely different fight. But I'm not sure, Chino is not Vera. Chino May not allow Mayweather to dictate the pace even though Floyd has studied him. It would be very interesting to see, Floyd is very good at figuring out opponents so what you say could very well happen but Chino could surprise us again. It says a lot about this fight that a rematch was being discussed seriously while both fighters were in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
When Floyd boxed he won the fight, when he chose to lay on the rope he got mauled. The fight is about perception, Floyd was not landing much boxing and he was not getting battered when he was on the rope but it looked like he was losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI was thinking that myself master. If a rematch happened it might be similar as to what Chavez did to Vera in the rematch, a completely different fight. But I'm not sure, Chino is not Vera. Chino May not allow Mayweather to dictate the pace even though Floyd has studied him. It would be very interesting to see, Floyd is very good at figuring out opponents so what you say could very well happen but Chino could surprise us again. It says a lot about this fight that a rematch was being discussed seriously while both fighters were in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Maidana