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Stop it with all your facts. Did they come from Infowars or the Icke Forum ? If not, they are not certifiable truth, and must therefor be dismissed as unscaremongering placebos, for weak sheeple. Vaccines were invented to both infect and implant people with diseases and miniscule tracking micrchips. As for the Flu, that is just a made up Illuminati bug that is nothing more than a Spanish Cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mind = blown
The freemasons told me that Ebola isn't contagious in it's incubation phase either. Rather than being scared of it in the west, we should be horrified that parts of Africa are in such a poor state that it's been able to spread so much.
It's symptoms are horrific, it's contagiousness isn't.
Wasn't it the UN that said a million could be dead by the end of the year if it isn't got under wraps? It's pretty serious even going by mainstream sources. On the topic of vaccinations dozens of kids suffered terrible deaths just recently because of them in Syria. Most don't immediately kill you, but the connection between autism and vaccinations seems fairly obvious. There are a variety of reasons we are getting so ill, but vaccinations might well be one of the reasons. Autism is through the roof and I would love to see a case study between vaccinated and non-vaccinated to see if there is a difference. On the other hand though, I wouldn't want to see the test group suffer as I think the results would be telling. Children without dozens of vaccinations don't seem to die off quickly and I didn't die from chickenpox either. Things like mercury are incredibly dangerous to the body.
Anecdotally - my two little brothers both had the MMR vaccine, both are on the high functioning end of the autism spectrum (Aspergers etc), my other siblings and myself didn't have the MMR jab and aren't 'autistic'.
But when I was in school you didn't have ADHD, you were just naughty, you didn't have dyslexia, you were just stupid or lazy. It seems like they'll diagnosis any personality traits these days unless you fit some arbitrary archetype.
I was a hyperactive little shit in school and I did and still do approach some tasks/situations with a different thought process and attitude than most, if I was born in 1996 instead of 1986 I'm sure they would have put my mind into little boxes and thrown a few pills at me.
I think it's skewered further by the fact that it's a spectrum, not a singular condition... for every kid like arty from gilbert grape, there's a dozen like my little brother - a little bit introverted at times and obsessive. 20 years ago it was eccentric, now it's 'high function autism', hence the rise in cases.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, in one corner of the argument you have peer reviewed studies, in the other you have anecdotes and Jim Carey/Jenna McCarthy.
I think the studies you'd like to see are out there? I'll do some digging.
I'm skeptical of vaccines, there's possible links to syndromes such as M.E. etc, I'm not against them, I just wouldn't get one where there's little need, as a fit and health 28 year old who, why would I get a Flu vaccine? It's always risk reward.
It's unfortunate that you didn't get chicken pox as a child, it's uncomfortable for a child, but it's no joke as an adult - it can be very serious.
Good observations and points.
I suppose I am more cynical about medicine these days and I don't doubt that there are benefits to vaccinations, but I also assume that there must be problems too (connected with many other things) and on the whole it is in the medical industry interest to keep vaccinations in a positive light and the words of people like Bill Gates hardly make you rest easy about their purpose. Many parents do not really know what they are putting into their babies. At the least people should be aware, but people generally trust their doctors, and I am sure doctors really think they are doing the right thing too. Do we really know the long term consequences? I'm fine with the flu, I don't want a shot for it. Plenty of vitamin C and water is enough.
I agree that everyone is getting diagnosed with something these days and I question to what extent it is just to keep people medicated and compliant. I cannot speak for everyone, but my own take is that it is the system that is a key problem and it suits the system to make people think there is something wrong with them. Take the shot, take the pill, it's good for you. Don't talk back! I think a better system would lead to less difficult children, less depression in adults etc. It can never be perfect, but the system seems designed to diagnose something wrong with you and say nothing to see here. I'm somewhat deviating and going off cue here.
I just hope this ebola is contained soon. It looks like a horrible way to die, I just don't trust the people in control, and the man that got back to America who turned himself in, but got set loose. Well, it is troubling.
Swine flu, SARS, West Nile Virus....yeah all completely hyped up by the media wanting to creep people out and yes Influenza kills off a fair amount of the old and the young, but Ebola is something that is pretty bad especially considering the lack of a 100% proven and accepted cure though some steps have been positive in getting us to that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
WHO | Ebola virus disease
"The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks."
That ain't a good sign...the aforementioned diseases didn't have a fatality rate close to that and the deaths happen rather quickly.
I hope that everything works out for the best and this is all a brief little moment of hysteria but an epidemic could happen with Ebola and it wouldn't be a good thing.
Until it mutates and becomes airborne I wouldn't worry about it becoming a global epidemic, it's areas lacking any real sort of robust healthcare infrastructure that are at any serious risk.
It's not contagious incubating and the onset of symptoms are so quick that it's easily contained in developed societies.
Scary disease, poor contagion.
You're right to be suspicious of the pharmaceutical industry miles, it wants us sick. More money to be made in treating symptoms and prolonging 'life' than there is in curing and more importantly preventing illnesses, especially when the industry's bread and butter comes from illnesses that lifestyle alone can prevent.
Its now in spain.....
Check out African wars over the past few decades that feature industrial slaughter, horrific brutality that makes ISIS look like Sunday School teachers and epic numbers of dead and never get a mention in our media. All our governments did was sell weapons to them, normally to both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Contrast that with war coverage from a region we give a shit about like the Middle East. Africans need to dig for oil.
....they actually have and sell quite a bit of oil. A lot of African oil goes to Europe and China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
But being the wizen liberal you are you probably A) Already knew that and B ) had protested against Africa being taken advantage of by countries like China and Russia.....oh wait you ONLY do that when America is at fault...my bad
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As adam said it will mutate.
Its only a matter of time and it will be airbourne.
Many on here believe in evolution well this right here is actually what you have been waiting for...twelve monkeys..part deux.
Americans and europeans so comfy in their chairs when its killing thousands of africans but as soon as a british nurse gets it the test vaccine pops out!
Something bad is going to happen guys..very bad.
Aaaaaand that Ebola patient in Dallas is now dead. Thanks a bunch for bringing that horrible disease to America Thomas Eric Duncan you dope!
Africa has about nine percent of world reserves. The Middle East has sixty percent. A lot of African oil goes to America too, but where it goes is irrelevant. Oil is a fungible product, it's available for sale globally. What really matters is who gets to produce it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....they actually have and sell quite a bit of oil. A lot of African oil goes to Europe and China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
But being the wizen liberal you are you probably A) Already knew that and B ) had protested against Africa being taken advantage of by countries like China and Russia.....oh wait you ONLY do that when America is at fault...my bad
http://www.chinasourcingblog.org/Chi...20Projects.png
It's interesting that you're comparing American and Chinese actions in Africa to get access to African resources. There's quite a historical record to look back on. One country largely supplies their guy with millions of dollars of weapons. The other country sets up economic co-operation agreements, sends engineers to build roads, dams and so on, sends cheap consumer goods and sets up economic development funds to allow the Arfican countries to bypass the World Bank and the IMF which lock African countries into the tender mercies of the western financial system.
Which country do you think aspiring developing African democracies want to do deals with?
....so again, you said
And I replied "Actually they do have oil and sell it to various places"....which you apparently deemed an unworthy response to your whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
As for China's involvement in Africa I bring them up because although America might lock the African nations into the IMF World Bank system IF African nations took that route Western nations such as America would be less tolerable of happenings like the genocide in Darfur, the Rwandan Civil War, etc, which China was more than happy to stay completely out of and allow the chips to fall where they may.
But you're right, the United States NEVER EVER EVER invests in infrastructure in other nations. We're really horrible at it. We never help the world...never. Not via The Marshall Plan, not just in general helping out after floods, hurricanes, earthquakes. We didnt' build schools and roads in Iraq and Afghanistan either of course....we just rape and pillage the world, we provide no safe haven for anyone but those dirty capitalists pigs who steal from and kill the brown people right comrade?
How about you just stop thinking up new posts and just put "It's America's Fault!" for every single reply you give? I'd hate for you to waste your time on debate.....especially since you're not all that great at it.
UK will deploy over 750 soldiers and medical ship to fight Ebola in Sierra Leone | Daily Mail Online
One of those 750 might bring it back :-\
Well your odds are better than the USA considering how many troops we're sending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Troops sent to fight ISIS = 0
Troops sent to fight Ebola = 4000
But hey it isn't like either is a big deal right?
No not at all ;D:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell your odds are better than the USA considering how many troops we're sending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Troops sent to fight ISIS = 0
Troops sent to fight Ebola = 4000
But hey it isn't like either is a big deal right?
And the second they started feeling ill, you'd assume they'd have the sense to get themselves quarantined and not run around covering people in their bodily fluids.
This is of course assuming that they don't under go a cautionary quarantine when returning to the UK to ensure no incubation, I don't think they'll be goi g about this idly somehow.
The nurse that contracted it in Spain did so whilst treating a spanish missionary who died from it, an unfortunate working hazard. People she'd been in contact with have been quarantined as a precaution, before even showing symptoms - it's only contagious when symptoms develop, not when incubating. She was a nurse dealing with somebody dying of ebola, not an average member of the public...
Just because there has been a case, does not mean it is 'spreading'.
5 Reasons America Can Calm the F#@% Down About Ebola | Cracked.com
Why are resource-rich African countries queuing up to do business with China but not with America? Why do business with a Communist tyranny but not the world's greatest democracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....so again, you said
And I replied "Actually they do have oil and sell it to various places"....which you apparently deemed an unworthy response to your whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
As for China's involvement in Africa I bring them up because although America might lock the African nations into the IMF World Bank system IF African nations took that route Western nations such as America would be less tolerable of happenings like the genocide in Darfur, the Rwandan Civil War, etc, which China was more than happy to stay completely out of and allow the chips to fall where they may.
But you're right, the United States NEVER EVER EVER invests in infrastructure in other nations. We're really horrible at it. We never help the world...never. Not via The Marshall Plan, not just in general helping out after floods, hurricanes, earthquakes. We didnt' build schools and roads in Iraq and Afghanistan either of course....we just rape and pillage the world, we provide no safe haven for anyone but those dirty capitalists pigs who steal from and kill the brown people right comrade?
How about you just stop thinking up new posts and just put "It's America's Fault!" for every single reply you give? I'd hate for you to waste your time on debate.....especially since you're not all that great at it.
You could read up about it but there's such a vast amount of information that you'd soon be facing shelf overload. If one of the little screws that holds the little shelf brackets onto the inside of your head works loose you could even be looking at total shelf collapse. So be careful out there.
AdamGB, well if Ebola is so fucking difficult to catch then why does a nurse in Dallas have it after following the procedures set up by the CDC when dealing with the Ebola victim in Dallas?
Kirkland....Africa might be lining up to do business with China but notice how Africa on the whole isn't getting much freer, fairer, and better for the people that live there....but you know the commies will remedy that the way they always do......oh that's right they never have.....ever.....in the entire history of man.
(drops mic)
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Hmmm, AdamGB it seems the World Health Organization says Ebola is...and I quote "Modern era's WORST health emergency"....doesn't instill a lot of confidence
Like I said there's lots of information out there. The more you read the less likely you'd make that claim. Just don't get a screw loose while you're doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yeah information about how great the West African nations are handling this Ebola epidemic....that's why we haven't seen it spread to Europe and the US......oh waitQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Letts be honest if Africa can't feed it's people, they can't see to peoples health simple facts,
there is abject poverty no health care as to speck of, and poor education.
In the West we suffered with the same issues, but it takes years to eradicate theses issues,
in the West we had many nasty health issues, but through health care and education we
overcame them.
Africa has a big problem with Ebola, hopefully a vaccine can be produced to help sort out
this but it's not going to happen over night.
There are many nasty viruses etc, out there Ebola is one of one trouble is there is always
one round the corner waiting.!
They say Alcohole is the solution!
Just yesterday we had a suspected case end up at Yale Hospital here in the US. So of course the governor and his minions had all day long press conferences spouting out how well prepared our State of Connecticut is to handle such a crisis. Once again the suspected case proved out to be negative for Ebola. Enough, stop reporting suspected cases. Flu season is coming up and last year the flu killed fifty two thousand people in the US. This is akin to Brock reporting every time he thinks he has crabs or other STD. Once we have a confirmed case let us do what needs to be done. I am not belittling the illness but reporting suspected cases is not helping the general public
It seems to be taking our minds of other things.
It is. Have you seen what they are calling thick sliced bread these days ? you couldn't keep a cat-flap open with it let alone make a doorstop sandwich.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
The answer is in the question... We'll just take her at her word that she followed the procedures to the letter and without error though? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I wonder how many other staff members in dallas on this case DIDN'T get it?
In other news, out of the 48 people quarantined in Texas, something like 42 have been released after 21 days... No Ebola, expect the rest soon.
The WHO said a lot of shit about Swine Flu too, here we are.
Yes but this outbreak of Ebola has a fatality rate of 70%....so yeah, there's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBThe answer is in the question... We'll just take her at her word that she followed the procedures to the letter and without error though? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I wonder how many other staff members in dallas on this case DIDN'T get it?
In other news, out of the 48 people quarantined in Texas, something like 42 have been released after 21 days... No Ebola, expect the rest soon.
The WHO said a lot of shit about Swine Flu too, here we are.
As for the CDC procedures and blaming the nurse...when a woman gets raped are you the kind of person to ask what she was wearing? Because that argument, kind of similar to what you are implying with your rebuttal.
Come on Lyle... Does it always have to devolve into strawman arguments with you? :vd:
I'm not questioning it's fatalness, I'm questioning it's contagiousness...
I'm not blaming the nurse, I'm not saying she deserved to become infected. I don't think fire fighters deserve to burn or that woman deserve to be raped :rolleyes: what's wrong with you? ???
You using her misfortune to somehow prove that ebola is more contagious than it is and frequently gloating everytime a person is killed with anything other than a gun is better how exactly?
Firefighters etc don't do it because they think there's no risk to them, they do it inspite of the risks!... that's WHY we comend them, they're doing a job with inherent risks for the betterment of society... How exactly do you go from that to me rape blaming?
My point is that a healthcare worker that is in frequent and prolonged contact with somebody in the severest stages of ebola contracting it doesn't prove a great deal about it's risk to the general population of 1st world countries.
You're intellgent enough to understand what I'm saying within the context of this discussion with out me having to point out that I'm not blaming the nurse, right?
The nurse (nurses plural at this point) was doing her job...and you're alleging A) she didn't adhere to the protocols and B ) you assume the protocols are 100% effective so the argument you are making is that she did something which caused her to get infected by Thomas Eric Duncan. The only thing these nurses did were their jobs! They were caring for a dying man and now they get a horrible disease which hopefully they can recover from but how dare people criticize them for what they've done.
I'm saying Ebola is a NEW threat to the United States and perhaps the CDC didn't have the hospitals prepared for such an outbreak and it is LOW to criticize a person who was attempting to care for someone in their time of need. Nurses put their lives on the lines every day in regards to contagious diseases without a second thought.
Ebola is not airborne just yet, but there were 3 phases of The Black Death and those got exponentially more fatal as the disease mutated from Bubonic (animal transmitted), Septicemic (blood to blood), and Pneumonic (airborne) and we will likely see the same happen with Ebola. Whether it happens NOW or later depends on how we handle the current outbreak. I personally find it horrible that the President of the United States did not call for a travel ban the way the African nations have with the afflicted areas. Government has been extremely slow to react and it may very well cost people their lives.
Dallas Nurse Caught Ebola Because CDC Protocols Are Inadequate Washington's Blog
Some Ebola experts worry virus may spread more easily than assumed - LA Times
I don't blame the nurses for doing their jobs I blame Thomas Eric Duncan for being selfish in returning to America. He endangered the people he flew with, the people they came in contact with, the nurses, doctors, and everyone they came in contact with, not to mention his own family and everyone THEY had seen and that's regardless of CDC protocols being followed to the T.
I'm not assuming that she did or didn't follow them to the letter Lyle... The possibility that she didn't needs to be considered and the point that she got infected due to a frequent and high level of contact with a victim that far exceeds that of the general public is no less valid. Out of the handful of cases contracted in the US, how many of them are healthcare workers? All of them. At this point they are the ones at risk.
Who is criticising nurses? AGAIN they are selflessly doing a difficult job that comes with an exceptional level of risk. I don't blame or criticise them for making mistakes... they're humans doing a high pressure job. Can we not talk about this pragmatically though? ???
In the 8000+ cases in West Africa, it has shown no signs of mutation, it's not going to in one nurse. Stop panicking.
Mark my words, you won't see ebola in any notable outbreak (if any) in the general western public.
The media will listen to which ever 'expert' gives them a scary headline or allows them to point fingers at whoever their agenda is against.
This species is o fucked up. So enamored with consumption. Oceans 90% fished out and 50% of all other life destroyed in about 50 years and we merrily roll along. The only other thing that seems to sustain us is killing each other to ensure that consumption. What a sad commentary on evolution.
Leave the Irish fella alone hes got nothing to do with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
That's it mate, always look on the bright side of life. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit