Prime Bowe VS Prime Foreman who wins and how?

Yes yes Bowe had speed, and agility, and was a great technical boxer...AT TIMES....at other times, even in his prime he would allow guys on the inside, he would give up his height and reach advantages and for lack of a better word he would fight stupidly. George Foreman had the kind of power where a guy just simply couldn't do that. I think Big George rocks the ever living shit out of Bowe and stops him.


Bowe NEVER fought anyone with power especially on the level of George Foreman. Good night sweetheart Foreman TKO 5 much like the Foreman-Lyle fight. Ron Lyle would have also given Bowe hell.

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

I like Bowe's speed, mobility and boxing ability in this one. I see Bowe winning a wide decision or possibly stopping Foreman late, if George becomes tired enough. Bowe had a great jab was very mobile, with good lateral movement when he remembered to use it. While there is always the chance that Bowe gets stupid and tries to go toe to toe with George and pays the price, I say it is more likely he makes George chase him and picks him apart until George is exhausted, at which point Bowe puts on some pressure late for the win.

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Ahhh yes, I see you know your Riddick well

Herbie Hide was one of the hardest punching HW's of the 90s IMO

When Bowe fought them...

Herbie Hide - 26-0 (25 KOs)
Jorge Luis Gonzales - 23-0 (22 KOs)

Not the greatest fighters but in terms of pure punching power could bang pretty hard. Never seen any evidence that punching power would bother Bowe any more than the average boxer. Bowe always showed a solid chin.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

When Bowe fought them...

Herbie Hide - 26-0 (25 KOs)
Jorge Luis Gonzales - 23-0 (22 KOs)

Not the greatest fighters but in terms of pure punching power could bang pretty hard. Never seen any evidence that punching power would bother Bowe any more than the average boxer. Bowe always showed a solid chin.

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And the list of fighters in the division during Bowe's era: Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Rudduck, Morrison, Briggs, Mercer, Rahman, Tua, Corrie Sanders, etc.

Herbie "214 pounds" Hide and Jorge Luis "My Biggest Win Was over an ancient Renoldo Snipes" Gonzales weren't the greatest fighters to test that chin. Holyfield knocked him down and Golota rocked him more than a few times....but of course by then Bowe was done for.

Bowe had a very short peak, he was overweight in his defences after he beat Holyfield to win the title.

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Originally Posted by Master

Bowe had a very short peak.

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There are reasons for that other than just his weight

George Foreman was a master finisher.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

George Foreman was a master finisher.

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As was Riddick Bowe...



...when it came to plates of food

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George Foreman was a master finisher.

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As was Riddick Bowe...



...when it came to plates of food

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I think this thread is filled with some sour-ass Big Daddy haters.

That's what's up.

http://www.notifight.com/artman2/upl..._futch__4_.jpg

Eddie Futch knew what's up when he said Bowe had the most talent of anyone he ever trained.

That means Bowe > Arguello, Bob Foster, Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes, Mike MCCallum, Ken Norton, and Michael Spinks.

THAT'S what's up.

http://boxrec.com/media/images/d/da/Futch1787902.jpg

Real brave of you guys to call Futch a lying piece of shit now that he's dead. Have you no respect for boxing??

I like this picture better...



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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

When Bowe fought them...

Herbie Hide - 26-0 (25 KOs)
Jorge Luis Gonzales - 23-0 (22 KOs)

Not the greatest fighters but in terms of pure punching power could bang pretty hard. Never seen any evidence that punching power would bother Bowe any more than the average boxer. Bowe always showed a solid chin.

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And the list of fighters in the division during Bowe's era: Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Rudduck, Morrison, Briggs, Mercer, Rahman, Tua, Corrie Sanders, etc.

Herbie "214 pounds" Hide and Jorge Luis "My Biggest Win Was over an ancient Renoldo Snipes" Gonzales weren't the greatest fighters to test that chin. Holyfield knocked him down and Golota rocked him more than a few times....but of course by then Bowe was done for.

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Jorge Gonzalez and that wall sample piece of shag rug glued to the back of his head were a circus act. I've literally watched him score a "ko" when a guy fell down and shat his trunks :-X

Sitting here watching prime-ish Bowe swap leather and be stunned by Coetzer. I think people forget how he could be sucked in and did some slugging, killing the range and he was not some backfoot of light on the feet. Range needs discipline and focus, we're talking Bowe. Chins are great except when you consistently have to prove them

Yeah but Bowe proved his chin enough times where I don't think you can reasonably bring it into question. Bowe got rocked and continued and he ate punches from a lot of real bangers and stayed upright.

Foreman never fought anyone who could be compared to prime Riddick Bowe TBH, at least not in his early career. Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Ali... they weren't like Bowe.

Prime Bowe would have given Foreman at any stage in his career a whipping, that's what's up.

I'm not doubting anything the great Eddie Futch said about Riddick Bowe, nor am I doubting Bowe was an extremely talented fighter. But as Spicoli said his technique and style required discipline and we're talking Riddick Bowe and that's why he had a short prime.

George Foreman vs a guy who was all too willing to stand and trade when it was not beneficial to him....Foreman wins every single time! I'm sorry, but you're never going to out bomb George Foreman. Frazier couldn't do it, Ron Lyle couldn't do it, Michael Moorer couldn't do it and all those guys could punch.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Bowe got rocked and continued and he ate punches from a lot of real bangers and stayed upright.

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Like?

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Bowe got rocked and continued and he ate punches from a lot of real bangers and stayed upright.

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Like?

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Herbie Hide and the other guys I listed.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I'm not doubting anything the great Eddie Futch said about Riddick Bowe, nor am I doubting Bowe was an extremely talented fighter. But as Spicoli said his technique and style required discipline and we're talking Riddick Bowe and that's why he had a short prime.

George Foreman vs a guy who was all too willing to stand and trade when it was not beneficial to him....Foreman wins every single time! I'm sorry, but you're never going to out bomb George Foreman. Frazier couldn't do it, Ron Lyle couldn't do it, Michael Moorer couldn't do it and all those guys could punch.

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Yeah but nobody is saying "let's see who can have the longest career", we're talking one night only, one fight, prime vs prime. If you're talking discipline, longevity, ect, Foreman wins, that's not even debatable. He won a world title at 45.

We're talking one fight, one night, prime vs prime, 1992 Riddick Bowe, 1975 George Foreman. Both guys in the best shape of their lives.

And I'm not saying Bowe is going to out-bomb Foreman. But he would out jab him, he was faster, he was more accurate, he had more skill on the inside and the outside, and he had a wider variety of weapons.

Boxing isn't all about who punches harder.

We're asking what bombers Bowe fought... well what bombers did George fight? Frazier had big power in the left but no right hand, usually wore guys down. Ken Norton wasn't a bomber. Even Ron Lyle wasn't a big bomber, he could hit hard no doubt but he wasn't blasting guys out in the first few rounds.

Herbie Hide hit harder than all of them. Not saying he was a better fighter, but in terms of pure power he hit harder.

George ducked Earnie Shavers too, according to Shavers. George never fought big punchers, he went out of his way to avoid them. He wanted to be the guy with the big punch in the ring.

George fought Gerry Cooney in his comeback, George fought Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, Michael Moorer...contemporaries of Bowe whom Bowe never fought.

In 1992 in the peak of his prime even then Riddick Bowe was flawed...George Foreman was ALWAYS dangerous. He could eat jabs a few rounds, but as soon as a big punch landed Riddick Bowe, much like Arturo Gatti, would give up sweet science boxing for a brawl and in doing that he'd open the door for Foreman to end the fight which he would.

The guy that beat Evander in their first fight was a complete fighter. That Bowe just seems to have too many options for George. To explain my way of thinking:
1. Frazier: ATG who George destroyed, but a short, squat guy who bobbed and weaved forward and relied on his left. George was MUCH larger and able to manhandle him and push him back where he needed.
2. Norton: Good fighter who was pretty big, but seemed to freeze in fights vs guys with big punches (Foreman, Cooney).
3: Ali/Jimmy Young: Ali was past his best but both were good boxers with sharp jabs who were able to frustrate George and tire him out for the win. That George wanted to walk guys down while winging HUGE shots that exhausted him.

Now, prime Bowe had a good chin, great jab and was a very good boxer. He could be lured into slugging at times, but George was such a beast that Bowe would have remained wary all night and stuck to the plan. Not because Bowe was disciplined, but because Foreman was so menacing. Much like the Young fight, I see Bowe using lateral movement and his jab to frustrate George. Bowe gets rocked a couple of times and survives some shaky moments early. Once Foreman tires I see Bowe stepping it up and putting the right hand in regularly. Bowe takes over late for the win in a good fight.

George fights walking ahead in a straight line he pushes his classic way to get space

He pivots his opponents for space

He throws wide uppercuts and hooks he repeats the same push patterns and pivots this is his style as I'm watching
It's very basic really basic this is his style he is very slow on top of being sloppy and easy to read

George's relentless pressure is what allowed him to land shots but those wide shots had to be repeated cause he was so easy to read and slow

It's very easy to see these guys would be destroyed in the 90s

To say George wins is odd he never even fought guys as advanced as guys bowe fought

Now that is something we can agree on Joe Smith. Good to know you have read the threads and got a informed opinion.

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Now that is something we can agree on Joe Smith. Good to know you have read the threads and got a informed opinion.

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Nothing I said is an opinion so why did you say that?, he fought like that in matches, I don't need you or anybody else to agree with anything I say i can see advances between era's, I said this before and showed this with liston/louis they look horrible and the people they fought my videos show that