Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
This fight has past it's sell by date, if they ever do fight what happens if it turns out to be
a great disappointment, stranger things have happened.:o
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
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beenKOed
Yeah, I hear you loud and clear, but Manny has surprised us plenty in the past.
If this fight happens, which most of us have doubts about, it will be exciting. I don't think Floyd will be allowed/able to fight his normal style.
I'm am definitely not saying Manny would win, I'm just hoping for an exciting fight.
What the hell, it's better late than never!!
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a tough fight for Floyd and you're 100% right in that Floyd is going to have to change up his usual style and bring his A+ game to the table if he wants to win. Manny is fast, he's southpaw and he hits hard. I just don't see him beating Floyd. I never did.
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Beanflicker
Both guys are going to make more money than most athletes could even dream of, but still I have to wonder how much less Manny would get for the Floyd fight now as opposed to back in 2010 if he had agreed to the drug test.
In other words, how many millions did that one punch from JMM cost him? I mean we have to be talking high into the 8 figures, because I think originally they were going to do a 50/50 split.
Floyd was arguing for the lion's share of any future purse split based on their respective PPV numbers for about a year before JMM sparked Manny. The sparking dropped the fight's overall market value and Manny's bargaining position in making the split but for a long time before it happened Floyd would only have accepted the lion's share of the purse.
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Kirkland Laing
Floyd was arguing for the lion's share of any future purse split based on their respective PPV numbers for about a year before JMM sparked Manny. The sparking dropped the fight's overall market value and Manny's bargaining position in making the split but for a long time before it happened Floyd would only have accepted the lion's share of the purse.
Floyd did argue for awhile about the purse split, but in the end both camps agreed to a 50/50 split. In the end it fell apart because of the drug testing issue.
“The only issue was that we asked for the drug testing to take place 14 days before the fight, and everybody agreed on that except Mayweather. So that’s why the fight fell apart. The 50-50 split was never in dispute,” - Bob Arum.
But you are right, the fight would be huge now but would have been even bigger in 2010 with much more proceeds to share.
So with that considered too I really have to wonder how much money was lost by Manny for not agreeing to do drug testing that he has since done in a few of his fights.
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
Manny can still get away with fight crap Top Rank fighters in China for years. Floyd has pressure to make the big numbers so with canelo v cotto being made next year Floyd has limited option other than Khan which may not be big over there anyway.
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
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Beanflicker
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Kirkland Laing
Floyd was arguing for the lion's share of any future purse split based on their respective PPV numbers for about a year before JMM sparked Manny. The sparking dropped the fight's overall market value and Manny's bargaining position in making the split but for a long time before it happened Floyd would only have accepted the lion's share of the purse.
Floyd did argue for awhile about the purse split, but in the end both camps agreed to a 50/50 split. In the end it fell apart because of the drug testing issue.
“The only issue was that we asked for the drug testing to take place 14 days before the fight, and everybody agreed on that except Mayweather. So that’s why the fight fell apart. The 50-50 split was never in dispute,” - Bob Arum.
But you are right, the fight would be huge now but would have been even bigger in 2010 with much more proceeds to share.
So with that considered too I really have to wonder how much money was lost by Manny for not agreeing to do drug testing that he has since done in a few of his fights.
Between the fight falling apart over drug testing and Manny getting sparked Floyd was making clear that he'd have to have the lion's share due to his PPV numbers being much higher than Manny's.
If he'd agreed to the testing four years ago he might have won! History would look a lot different than it does now. It might have even stopped Haymon trying to dominate pro boxing amongst other things. We'll never know though. :)
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
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Master
Manny can still get away with fight crap Top Rank fighters in China for years. Floyd has pressure to make the big numbers so with canelo v cotto being made next year Floyd has limited option other than Khan which may not be big over there anyway.
Well Manny is still in financial trouble as far as I know and needs big money, Floyd made 32 million guaranteed (who knows how much more after the proceeds were tallied up) to fight Maidana in his last fight, he has two fights left... he can make huge money fighting guys like Cotto, Khan, or even a young up and comer. He won't make nearly as much as he would vs Pac, but if you look at who needs the fight more, it's Pac.
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
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Kirkland Laing
Between the fight falling apart over drug testing and Manny getting sparked Floyd was making clear that he'd have to have the lion's share due to his PPV numbers being much higher than Manny's.
If he'd agreed to the testing four years ago he might have won! History would look a lot different than it does now. It might have even stopped Haymon trying to dominate pro boxing amongst other things. We'll never know though. :)
Yeah we'll never know, they can fight ten times in the next two years and it'll never make up for the fight that got away.
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Beanflicker
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Master
Manny can still get away with fight crap Top Rank fighters in China for years. Floyd has pressure to make the big numbers so with canelo v cotto being made next year Floyd has limited option other than Khan which may not be big over there anyway.
Well Manny is still in financial trouble as far as I know and needs big money, Floyd made 32 million guaranteed (who knows how much more after the proceeds were tallied up) to fight Maidana in his last fight, he has two fights left... he can make huge money fighting guys like Cotto, Khan, or even a young up and comer. He won't make nearly as much as he would vs Pac, but if you look at who needs the fight more, it's Pac.
Floyd passed the career $400 million mark with his fight with Maidana. Most of which was earned while he was his own boss.
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
It's fucking sad, Manny is a legend in the sport, he's the one taking the risks, putting on great fights and taking the damage, he should be doing what Mayweather is doing and running his own show, instead of being under the thumb of one of these asshole promoters.
I really hope we start to see guys breaking away from these blood suckers and start keeping the % of their purses that they deserve. Enough with the Arum's and the King's, hopefully that era of boxing dies with those two fuckers.
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
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imp
Why arent the majority telling pac to leave his slave contract like oscar and floyd did!..too late now anyway.
Slave contract earning millions, just like Prince and George Michael, very stupid thing to say.
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Master
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imp
Why arent the majority telling pac to leave his slave contract like oscar and floyd did!..too late now anyway.
Slave contract earning millions, just like Prince and George Michael, very stupid thing to say.
Prince said he was a slave because his record label wouldn't let him release as much music as he wanted. Prince is a fucking music writing/producing and performing machine so he was basically a slave to Warner because he could only release 12 songs per year when he was writing a hundred.
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imp
Alex ariza spoke the truth 4 years ago and no one listened and he is saying the same thing today...
Why cant the majority accept this.?
That worthless POC Ariza has never spoken the truth. He proved what a scumbag he is when he tried to kick Freddie Roach in the chest. Kicking a man that suffers from Parkinsons Syndrome what a jerk.
I suppose it was Arum's fault Floyd said " My health comes first "
Floyd sr " I will never let my son fight Paquaio"
Ariza fits in well with the Mayweathers they are all strangers to the truth
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Beanflicker
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Master
Manny can still get away with fight crap Top Rank fighters in China for years. Floyd has pressure to make the big numbers so with canelo v cotto being made next year Floyd has limited option other than Khan which may not be big over there anyway.
Well Manny is still in financial trouble as far as I know and needs big money, Floyd made 32 million guaranteed (who knows how much more after the proceeds were tallied up) to fight Maidana in his last fight, he has two fights left... he can make huge money fighting guys like Cotto, Khan, or even a young up and comer. He won't make nearly as much as he would vs Pac, but if you look at who needs the fight more, it's Pac.
Manny had some accounts frozen in the Philippines due to tax issues of where he paid on his US fights. He was never broke as some reported.Some in his circle say he is generous to a fault. Regardless, it is obvious he does not have the same bank statements Floyd does. I have heard that his tax issues have been straightened out, it does sound like he was trying to dodge taxes somewhere along the line, he just should have hired better people to do it.
Re: It could be close - Arum in talks with Showtime for Floyd /Pacquiao Mega Fight
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imp
Why arent the majority telling pac to leave his slave contract like oscar and floyd did!..too late now anyway.
Interesting and Ariza was right on the money... it seems like guys started to thrive AFTER leaving Arum.
Arum is a cock sucker like Don King.
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Beanflicker
I won't believe it until these two idiots are in the ring together.
Agree 100%.
I've had my fill of these two clowns & their will-they-won't-they saga is monumentally boring after 5 years.
By the time they eventually share a ring (very unlikely, I know) , they'll either need hip replacements or a resection of their prostates as they'll be so aged!:-X
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