This heavyweight division is a disaster

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Originally Posted by Freedom

I've noticed over the years, on various boxing websites, the people who hate Wladimir Klitschko usually have a black boxer in their avatar.

Although they may or may not be black themselves, they are WITHOUT EXCEPTION people who are enamored with black boxers.

When we have a black champion, they'll be happy. Before that time, we'll need to put up with their WHINING and MOANING about how bad the HW division is. :(

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It has absolutely nothing to do with Wlad being white on this Saddo site. He is a quality champion and nearly going to beat Holmes record. What is below him is truly awful and that has helped him remain undefeated for so long.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I was perplexed by Espns push of Tarver and even more so in the main event but for as much of a bad joke as he is at it won't change anytime soon. The old fart has that gift for gab and was always a talker. Even more embarrassing is that last night he did what over hyped supposed huge bombers Briggs and Wilder have failed to do in there entire careers...dominate and ko a 'top 10 heavyweight'. But that would be giving credit to these pin the tail on the donkey ratings

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The division has always been based on quantity over quality but that fact just happens to really standout today. Its so robotic its hurl worthy. Its like watching a human bowling alley resetting the same 10 pins.

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Robotic just about sums it up. Brother I dropped off the 'Heavyweights are the engine of the sport' short bus years ago when I realized how many sensational jr Welters I was missing ;D. Indeed the depth of the division is weak and the crown jewel up until weeks ago was shunned by the premier networks. People want variety, they want the unexpected and when talking heavyweights they want risk takers, fire starters and explosions. If not from the top than at least from the co stars insisting they belong but only tip toeing there way up.

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Its really starting to piss me off that I cant REP you. That is just fk'd up. Anyway same here. Its been a joke since 1865 and yet has been given top billing. It gave me hope growing up that size didn't matter;D;D

Its always been the dog stool of boxing but its just I have never stepped in one as bad as this. Its not just the stink, its the consistency. Rightly or wrongly that seems to reflect on its champions. You know, like any other division lol.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

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Sometimes I wonder why you guys try. It amuses me at times that it's the guys who CLAIM to be the historical buffs and insinuate that I don't understand history, that sometimes totally overlook the history of the sport.

Throughout time, the US (and others, it's unfair to pick on them alone here maybe), has succeeded in iconising fighters.

Especially in America, FAME NAMES are more important than ACTUAL RECORDS.

Everybody knows Tarver is a shot fighter. Exactly the same as Briggs is too. Every objective fan knows they will never beat a REAL challenger, which are OBVIOUSLY still out there in force.

In fact, there's never been a more stacked HW division, with so many dangerous opponents in it's history.

The fact that a few ancient fossils manage to find their way into the rankings is irrelevant.

But did such things happen in the past?

DAMN right it did!

A 50 year old decrepit Archie Moore, sub 200, fighting the young "lion" Cassius Clay.

Did anybody earn their title shot by beating questionable opposition?

Previous challengers earned their shots by beating nothing but STRAIGHT UP BUMS MAINLY! I am not talking about guys ranked #10 or #35. I am talking about guys who have barely won their fights! Who have no business even being in the ring. Today, challengers are NOT ALLOWED to face bums at the top, they can only earn their shot by beating something relevant.

And so the WBA has orchestrated a couple of fame names to recognition that don't really deserve to be there. BLOODY HELL! Let's say the whole HW era is a disaster! LOL What a joke. As if there wasn't 10x more corruption in the past when the spotlight wasn't on! And what's that got to do with the quality of the HW boxers in general anyway?

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Give us 20 names out of your stacked HW division. The ones you think have a real chance, I'm interested.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Freedom

I've noticed over the years, on various boxing websites, the people who hate Wladimir Klitschko usually have a black boxer in their avatar.

Although they may or may not be black themselves, they are WITHOUT EXCEPTION people who are enamored with black boxers.

When we have a black champion, they'll be happy. Before that time, we'll need to put up with their WHINING and MOANING about how bad the HW division is. :(

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It has absolutely nothing to do with Wlad being white on this Saddo site. He is a quality champion and nearly going to beat Holmes record. What is below him is truly awful and that has helped him remain undefeated for so long.

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That's simply untrue.

Wilder's length, speed and power and aggression is a destructive combination.

Pulev is tough, strong and technically very skilled.

Povetkin is a tough, strong relentless pressure fighter

Stiverne is tough, immensely powerful, technically very correct and an expert counter punchers

Arreolla is a war machine with a hard punch an iron chin and very high workrate

Fury for such a big guy puts together good and pretty quick combinations

Jennings is a mega athlete

Perez has good overall skills

Haye is unbelievably slick and fast with power

And on and on...

What fighters from your distant past could REALLY pose them any threat today? I mean seriously?

Did you think prime Foreman and Frazier were skilled? Muhammad was nothing but a half sized Fury. Joe Louis was a prototype Pulev/Wladimir several generations removed, Marciano/Dempsey a pint sized Povetkin except less skilled.

None of these guys were particularly skilled at all. And these guys were the BEST!

Arreolla is a war machine with a hard punch an iron chin and very high workrate!

You have made Christmas. ;D