This heavyweight division is a disaster

[Andre]

Over 7 Billion and hard pressed to find one gifted man over 220 pounds. I wonder why it is? It just does not make any sense.


Sorry make that 200 pounds drifting downward as I type.

Wladimir Klitschko is a gifted man, but many refuse to acknowledge it because he's from Eastern Europe.

I think its more cause its a controlled gift and it bores us a touch.

[Max Power]

Over 7 Billion and hard pressed to find one gifted man over 220 pounds. I wonder why it is? It just does not make any sense.


Sorry make that 200 pounds drifting downward as I type.

You are welcome to watch a different sport. Or replay your old favourites as often as you like.

Putz!

[Max Power]

IamInuit[/B];1288182]Perhaps its a model designed in a cruel twist to act as a kind of model for show and tell at future schools to demonstrate in a three dimensional way, the first law of physics or essentially, from nothing, nothing derives.

I'll be sure to give it further thought because there has simply got to be a real tangible reason as to why in this era with all its advantages that it sucks so bad.

Just answer that little questionnaire of mine and I'll help you out..

1. Colour of your skin??
2. Nationality??
3. Are you a writer/reporter for a boxing column or have a media attachment to the sport?
4. Do you stand to profit financially or socially from having this opinion?

Initial guess? Your a black guy, American, got your ass boot out of HW boxing from which you are not confident of your return to past days (they are over forever now in fact) so you desperately try to slam the state of affairs so ya don't look so bad and hide away behind a mythological past.

Pathetic!

HAHAHahhahahaHHahahh!!!!

Yeah @Max Power The guy's username is IamInuit.

He MUST BE a former black American HW boxer who is just jilted by the sport that he couldn't make it in because of all the amazing competition out there!

Oh.. Yeah... LOL You did get me on that one. I will hand you that LOL

[Max Power]

Alex Leapai is a bum.

Yes he is but he did sort of earn his mandatory position by beating boystov.. It was a total scam that boystov was being set up for a title shot by getting an eliminator fight v a nobody and leapai beat him clearly.. I think that's a pretty good thing as I said it was a lod of crap that boystov was ever in the picture for a title shot but leapai giving him a beating and getting his shot is a nice story.. I'm glad leapai beat the backed fighter and got his money and title fight.. I am definitely a supporter of leapais failed title challenge !

For the record I don't think that Boytsov would ever have beaten Wladimir. But Boytsov had been inactive for some time, suffered injuries and also had noticeably lost previous conditioning.

A couple years previous, Boytsov was much more credible. I thought he looked terrible in his fight with Nesterenko.

[Max Power]

The division has always been based on quantity over quality but that fact just happens to really standout today. Its so robotic its hurl worthy. Its like watching a human bowling alley resetting the same 10 pins.

Let's get 2 things straight. The main difference between today and yesterday is that by comparison there ARE skilful boxers today whereas in your times, even the skilled boxers were still JUST punch bags. Everybody knows it. Nobody can mistake it!

Now most importantly, you are claiming the division stinks because Tarver beat up Banks.

Banks is a part time boxer and trainer.

Banks has never beaten a really good boxer and has never been considered a really serious factor at HW.

Antonio Tarver has wins over Roy fucking Jones at CW!

Everybody knows that as a BOXER, Tarver is OF COURSE higher quality than Banks!

BOTH of them are former CW's, so it escapes me why this is an issue.

I know, because TARVER IS 46?

This is boxing, not athletics, and in particular this is HW boxing where it is even more departed from athletics. It always has been and always will be!

When are you guys going to accept that you can be a credible opponent at 46 years old in world class boxing!

THE ONLY REASON your old favourites couldn't box past 30 very often is because they got the living shit punched out of them all the time.

You turn a hallmark positive thing about today, and turn it into a negative to suit your agenda!

[Spicoli]

I was perplexed by Espns push of Tarver and even more so in the main event but for as much of a bad joke as he is at it won't change anytime soon. The old fart has that gift for gab and was always a talker. Even more embarrassing is that last night he did what over hyped supposed huge bombers Briggs and Wilder have failed to do in there entire careers...dominate and ko a 'top 10 heavyweight'. But that would be giving credit to these pin the tail on the donkey ratings

The division has always been based on quantity over quality but that fact just happens to really standout today. Its so robotic its hurl worthy. Its like watching a human bowling alley resetting the same 10 pins.

Robotic just about sums it up. Brother I dropped off the 'Heavyweights are the engine of the sport' short bus years ago when I realized how many sensational jr Welters I was missing . Indeed the depth of the division is weak and the crown jewel up until weeks ago was shunned by the premier networks. People want variety, they want the unexpected and when talking heavyweights they want risk takers, fire starters and explosions. If not from the top than at least from the co stars insisting they belong but only tip toeing there way up.

[#1FightFan]

the HW's now are pathetic. Wlad is a chumpion, who fights like a pussy 95% of the time ( he did ok in his last fight though, against a really dumb unskilled idiot in pulev.) wilder has done nothing to deserve the attention he gets. Leapai is a flat out joke. Stiverne shows promise but it remains to be seen. Arreola sucks horribly. Fury does not impress. how can anyone say this era is good is ridiculous. with the crop of HW's fighting now? I'd say olschoolers like Tarver & Briggs have a decent chance of beating any of these chumps. sad but true.

TERRIBLE

[Max Power]

the HW's now are pathetic. Wlad is a chumpion, who fights like a pussy 95% of the time ( he did ok in his last fight though, against a really dumb unskilled idiot in pulev.) wilder has done nothing to deserve the attention he gets. Leapai is a flat out joke. Stiverne shows promise but it remains to be seen. Arreola sucks horribly. Fury does not impress. how can anyone say this era is good is ridiculous. with the crop of HW's fighting now? I'd say olschoolers like Tarver & Briggs have a decent chance of beating any of these chumps. sad but true.

TERRIBLE

Tarver and Briggs have zero chances against any of the guys you mentioned LOL except "maybe" Leapai!

There has rarely been a more exciting time ever in HW boxing to be honest, with so many good and dangerous guys beginning to face off on each other.

Wladimir has cleaned out the division several times before. I wonder if he can do it again, given the stage of career and strength of the division now.

Will Wilder live up to the hype.

Can Stiverne maintain his momentum.

Will Arreola come back stronger.

Can the now worthwhile Fury take it further

Is Jennings big enough to make an impact against the Supers...

This is the most stacked division we've seen in years!

Ironically your Pulev statement was the only thing that was pathetic!

Kubrat Pulev is probably the front running HW to take over after in the post Klitschko era.

Pulev is an exceptionally skilled boxer, similar to Wlad, who is simply better! It is in fact credit to Wladimir, for taking on such a great boxer as Pulev, dominating him, and then knocking him out.

[Master]

Max you are blind to the fact that these fighters are not skilled at all. They have poor technique and in some cases conditioning. Just because they weight over 200 lb does not mean they are better. These heavyweights are awful. Truly awful.

[Freedom]

I've noticed over the years, on various boxing websites, the people who hate Wladimir Klitschko usually have a black boxer in their avatar.

Although they may or may not be black themselves, they are WITHOUT EXCEPTION people who are enamored with black boxers.

When we have a black champion, they'll be happy. Before that time, we'll need to put up with their WHINING and MOANING about how bad the HW division is.

[Master]

I've noticed over the years, on various boxing websites, the people who hate Wladimir Klitschko usually have a black boxer in their avatar.

Although they may or may not be black themselves, they are WITHOUT EXCEPTION people who are enamored with black boxers.

When we have a black champion, they'll be happy. Before that time, we'll need to put up with their WHINING and MOANING about how bad the HW division is.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Wlad being white on this Saddo site. He is a quality champion and nearly going to beat Holmes record. What is below him is truly awful and that has helped him remain undefeated for so long.

[IamInuit]

I was perplexed by Espns push of Tarver and even more so in the main event but for as much of a bad joke as he is at it won't change anytime soon. The old fart has that gift for gab and was always a talker. Even more embarrassing is that last night he did what over hyped supposed huge bombers Briggs and Wilder have failed to do in there entire careers...dominate and ko a 'top 10 heavyweight'. But that would be giving credit to these pin the tail on the donkey ratings

The division has always been based on quantity over quality but that fact just happens to really standout today. Its so robotic its hurl worthy. Its like watching a human bowling alley resetting the same 10 pins.

Robotic just about sums it up. Brother I dropped off the 'Heavyweights are the engine of the sport' short bus years ago when I realized how many sensational jr Welters I was missing . Indeed the depth of the division is weak and the crown jewel up until weeks ago was shunned by the premier networks. People want variety, they want the unexpected and when talking heavyweights they want risk takers, fire starters and explosions. If not from the top than at least from the co stars insisting they belong but only tip toeing there way up.

Its really starting to piss me off that I cant REP you. That is just fk'd up. Anyway same here. Its been a joke since 1865 and yet has been given top billing. It gave me hope growing up that size didn't matter

Its always been the dog stool of boxing but its just I have never stepped in one as bad as this. Its not just the stink, its the consistency. Rightly or wrongly that seems to reflect on its champions. You know, like any other division lol.

[beenKOed]

Sometimes I wonder why you guys try. It amuses me at times that it's the guys who CLAIM to be the historical buffs and insinuate that I don't understand history, that sometimes totally overlook the history of the sport.

Throughout time, the US (and others, it's unfair to pick on them alone here maybe), has succeeded in iconising fighters.

Especially in America, FAME NAMES are more important than ACTUAL RECORDS.

Everybody knows Tarver is a shot fighter. Exactly the same as Briggs is too. Every objective fan knows they will never beat a REAL challenger, which are OBVIOUSLY still out there in force.

In fact, there's never been a more stacked HW division, with so many dangerous opponents in it's history.

The fact that a few ancient fossils manage to find their way into the rankings is irrelevant.

But did such things happen in the past?

DAMN right it did!

A 50 year old decrepit Archie Moore, sub 200, fighting the young "lion" Cassius Clay.

Did anybody earn their title shot by beating questionable opposition?

Previous challengers earned their shots by beating nothing but STRAIGHT UP BUMS MAINLY! I am not talking about guys ranked #10 or #35. I am talking about guys who have barely won their fights! Who have no business even being in the ring. Today, challengers are NOT ALLOWED to face bums at the top, they can only earn their shot by beating something relevant.

And so the WBA has orchestrated a couple of fame names to recognition that don't really deserve to be there. BLOODY HELL! Let's say the whole HW era is a disaster! LOL What a joke. As if there wasn't 10x more corruption in the past when the spotlight wasn't on! And what's that got to do with the quality of the HW boxers in general anyway?

Give us 20 names out of your stacked HW division. The ones you think have a real chance, I'm interested.

[Max Power]

I've noticed over the years, on various boxing websites, the people who hate Wladimir Klitschko usually have a black boxer in their avatar.

Although they may or may not be black themselves, they are WITHOUT EXCEPTION people who are enamored with black boxers.

When we have a black champion, they'll be happy. Before that time, we'll need to put up with their WHINING and MOANING about how bad the HW division is.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Wlad being white on this Saddo site. He is a quality champion and nearly going to beat Holmes record. What is below him is truly awful and that has helped him remain undefeated for so long.

That's simply untrue.

Wilder's length, speed and power and aggression is a destructive combination.

Pulev is tough, strong and technically very skilled.

Povetkin is a tough, strong relentless pressure fighter

Stiverne is tough, immensely powerful, technically very correct and an expert counter punchers

Arreolla is a war machine with a hard punch an iron chin and very high workrate

Fury for such a big guy puts together good and pretty quick combinations

Jennings is a mega athlete

Perez has good overall skills

Haye is unbelievably slick and fast with power

And on and on...

What fighters from your distant past could REALLY pose them any threat today? I mean seriously?

Did you think prime Foreman and Frazier were skilled? Muhammad was nothing but a half sized Fury. Joe Louis was a prototype Pulev/Wladimir several generations removed, Marciano/Dempsey a pint sized Povetkin except less skilled.

None of these guys were particularly skilled at all. And these guys were the BEST!

[Master]

Arreolla is a war machine with a hard punch an iron chin and very high workrate!

You have made Christmas.