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all true, wasnt arreola injured in the adamek fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
im not sure cunningham would beat stiverne, it would be an interesting fight, im not sure id bet on cunningham though
Ross your hypocrisy where Fury is concerned knows no bounds. If he had been in Wilders shoes last night you would have been unrelenting in telling everyone how good a win it was.
Wilder beat a better version of Del Boy and he beat him for a belt, he must be better, boxrec say so. Del Boy didn't land a glove on Fury and it was masterful, Stivern landed very little on Wilder but it was because he didn't try. Nothing at all to do with having a jab and right cross rammed into his mush every five seconds.
Wilder couldn't stop Stivern, a bit more polish on him and he would have. Fury couldn't stop an uninterested Del Boy but it's because he didn't want to. Stivern has never been twatted by a cruiserweight part timer.
Give the guy a break and prepare your typing finger for when Fury slays the Bronze Bomber. For now it's just being dismissive for obligations sake.
A more interesting fight is between Stiverne and Chisora. A win for either and there straight back in the picture for a title shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44all true, wasnt arreola injured in the adamek fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
im not sure cunningham would beat stiverne, it would be an interesting fight, im not sure id bet on cunningham though
Cunningham is deserving but he is going to be an awkward fight.
Hmm... You may be partly right. I am biased but I'm not talking shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
You know, I liked Fury because he does or tries hard to do what he says he will. Theres no pretence, he is what he is and its fun to watch and listen to. I got fed up listening to the crap he was getting, not that he needs anyone to stick up for him but all the criticism he gets is ridiculous. Mostly to do with how his body looks. He is far more skilled than some will give him credit for.
Wilder is still as good as I thought he was, ok skills. Has an excellent jab which was new but he did tire and that power he was putting on the jab faded. He was a bit tense and used up a lot of energy in the first round or two putting a lot on the jab. Maybe he can continue learning to the point he relaxes a bit more and doesn't use up that energy. I think he could have easily stopped Stiverne if he wasn't so tense early. Stiverne is still as poor as I thought.
Iv never said Tyson is the best in the division iv always said the reality is with his skills, he does have them, footwork, work rate, stamina, will to win using some clever/dirty tactics, decent jab, size he will be very hard to beat. He's not a clumsy giant like Wach with not much else than size or strength. Wilder Tyson is probably a 60/40 fight in Tysons favour right now. It becomes a 50/50 fight if Wilder gets a defence against someone tough next that wont win and why not retread Arreola for yet another WBC challenge? The more experience at this level Wilder gets, the more of a threat he will be. Right now though other than the one two, Wilder didn't need a great deal else. He looked a bit clueless when Stiverne managed to walk him to the ropes but luckily for Wilder, Stiverne doesn't have many more clues. Watching Wilder lean back on the ropes with his gloves high was reminiscent of Mike Tyson against Bruno but what was missing was the skills and imagination to use the uppercut. Stiverne instead chose to throw hooks at Wilders defence, totally ineffective and tiring himself.
I'm giving Wilder the benefit of the doubt where his engine is concerned. He covered the 12 rounds, threw a load of leather and was still going at the end.
There was a period after about 4 rounds I think when I wondered if he was going to wilt, he certainly looked like he was out of ideas a bit. That's got to be natural though for a guy that's clumped everyone he's fought in a few rounds. Sooner or later you'll run into someone who wont go over. No matter how many times he would have been told this or reminded himself he still has to cross that bridge mid fight. Ideally that would have come before fighting for a title but Wilder passed the test when it mattered most.
I'd give Fury a good chance against Wilder too. Wilder is not getting away with that "pool cue jab" (to quote the Showtime bloke) against Fury. I think you can argue Fury was equally impressive using his size advantage over Chisora. To me - Stiverne is basically Chisora with a dig.
Wilder is obviously a sicko puncher but he's not as natural or rugged as Fury. If he doesn't blast Fury out - which is obviously a strong possibility regardless of who he fights - I can see him getting confused and outmuscled.
Great great matchup. The buildup alone is absolute gold
Or head movement and punch variety;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Id really like to see Stiverne and Chisora match up now. Evenly matched especially in the size department. Evenly matched makes for a good fight!
Id like Silkyjoes take on what odds he would give for a Wilder Fury fight as of right now because id bet Fury would be favourite and that seems daft when Wilder is the one who has just beaten a world champion.
Last week Wilder was a talentless four round fighter waiting to be exposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
This week every fighter and team will call him out.
Wilder has more options than stiverne fans has excuses!
Usa usa usa !!
Warren is talking about making a Wilder fight now and paying Hammer off because the fight is the biggest out there.
I really don't think Jay Deas would want wilder straight in there with a hard fight. I think they will want to make a defence against a lower level fighter first. After all it was Jay Deas choosing all Wilders previous opponents.
Where would the fight be bigger?
I think Fury would need to fight an American name first, even Briggs who can sell a fight. The only problem is the fight would either have to be in Britain or Canada because of Peter Furys visa problems. Kind of defeats the object of getting maximum american exposure though.
It depends where it is. I think its close to pick'em but would slightly favor Wilder. Maybe 8/11 Wilder, 11/10 Fury and 30/1 the Draw. Very good fight. Really hope it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOr head movement and punch variety;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Id really like to see Stiverne and Chisora match up now. Evenly matched especially in the size department. Evenly matched makes for a good fight!
Id like Silkyjoes take on what odds he would give for a Wilder Fury fight as of right now because id bet Fury would be favourite and that seems daft when Wilder is the one who has just beaten a world champion.
Lets say England as that is where Deas and Wilder said they would fight as thy know peter cant travel to the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt depends where it is. I think its close to pick'em but would slightly favor Wilder. Maybe 8/11 Wilder, 11/10 Fury and 30/1 the Draw. Very good fight. Really hope it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOr head movement and punch variety;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Id really like to see Stiverne and Chisora match up now. Evenly matched especially in the size department. Evenly matched makes for a good fight!
Id like Silkyjoes take on what odds he would give for a Wilder Fury fight as of right now because id bet Fury would be favourite and that seems daft when Wilder is the one who has just beaten a world champion.
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Originally Posted by rossLets say England as that is where Deas and Wilder said they would fight as thy know peter cant travel to the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt depends where it is. I think its close to pick'em but would slightly favor Wilder. Maybe 8/11 Wilder, 11/10 Fury and 30/1 the Draw. Very good fight. Really hope it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOr head movement and punch variety;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Id really like to see Stiverne and Chisora match up now. Evenly matched especially in the size department. Evenly matched makes for a good fight!
Id like Silkyjoes take on what odds he would give for a Wilder Fury fight as of right now because id bet Fury would be favourite and that seems daft when Wilder is the one who has just beaten a world champion.
Cant travel because he's a crim? Great organisation from a so-called world title contender. Fury has two chances, fight Fatso Lucas Browne for some money and maybe win, or fight Wilder (hopefully for a lot of money) and get hammered. If by now he is not organised enough to be able to take a fight in the US then his whole outfit is just pathetic.
Would Manny Pacquiao fight in England if he couldnt take Roach? Would his management team allow that?
Get real! No fighter in or around world class or on the verge of a title would take a fight where they were not able to take the most important person in his camp with them:rolleyes:
Would Manny's management allow him to have a member of his camp that prohibited him from taking big money fights in the US would be a more accurate question.
The successes of these guys make me wonder how they would fair had Helenius not been injured or if he and guys like Chris Byrd and Sam Peter were in their mid 20's right now.
Yes they are poor, even worse than heavyweights in 2000 +.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Arum would not change what works and risk his gravy boat.
I don't think they are poor I think they just have different styles and peaked at different times.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes they are poor, even worse than heavyweights in 2000 +.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Former meth dealers don't 'work' very well when it comes to international business. It remains to be seen if the germsns will want him. Sadly I can't see Wlad being interested enough to come to the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Arum would not change what works and risk his gravy boat.
I'm think Roach did it, just can't think of whom he left to help Pac-- When he was on his winning streak-fighters were lining up to get with Roach & he took on more than he could handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
But I do see your point.
It was Provodnikov when he fought Alvarado. Roach's little assistant ran the corner because he was away with Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeI'm think Roach did it, just can't think of whom he left to help Pac-- When he was on his winning streak-fighters were lining up to get with Roach & he took on more than he could handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
But I do see your point.
Off the top of my head - Lee Purdy fought Devon Alexander without his trainer - Tony Simms - in the corner. Darren Barker did it.
What's wrong with between rounds Skype sessions? Trainer Monkey does it, most of his fighters are still alive.
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Originally Posted by Memphis
HAHAHAHA remember when Trainer Monkey was trying to train Kid Thunder via the internet.
Didn't work out to well from what I recall.
Kid Thunder before trainer monkey - 2 wins 13 losses.
Kid Thunders record after Trainer Monkey now stands at - 2 wins 23 losses 22 by ko.
So internet trainers are the future for sure lol.
A waste of your valuable time, sir. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
They're what we have now, look to the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes they are poor, even worse than heavyweights in 2000 +.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Somewhere over the rainbow, way……