Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
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TitoFan
I can't wait for Wlad-Wilder down the road, 'cause I'm sure Wilder will do more than just make Wlad break into a sweat.
I'm excited to see what he can do with his reach. And hopefully he can turn it up on Wlad so we get an exciting fight with a more aggressive Wlad.
To be fair to Pulev, I think that was the idea, to invite Wlad to throw up the middle and try to counter. From what I've seen of Pulev that seems to be more of his style. I think he thought he'd have a lot more success with his jab and could lead Wlad into something. Wlad's just a really hard guy to counter and Pulev probably underestimated the speed. Wlad also turns over a nasty left hook better than any HW I can think of.
Fighting Wlad is tough, you need to sell out and take the risk of eating one of those right crosses or left hooks and waking up on the canvas. Wlad rarely gets hit with the first or second punch, but it's usually that third left/right straight that catches him. I'm not sure what Pulev could have done differently.
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
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Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I can't wait for Wlad-Wilder down the road, 'cause I'm sure Wilder will do more than just make Wlad break into a sweat.
I'm excited to see what he can do with his reach. And hopefully he can turn it up on Wlad so we get an exciting fight with a more aggressive Wlad.
To be fair to Pulev, I think that was the idea, to invite Wlad to throw up the middle and try to counter. From what I've seen of Pulev that seems to be more of his style. I think he thought he'd have a lot more success with his jab and could lead Wlad into something. Wlad's just a really hard guy to counter and Pulev probably underestimated the speed. Wlad also turns over a nasty left hook better than any HW I can think of.
Fighting Wlad is tough, you need to sell out and take the risk of eating one of those right crosses or left hooks and waking up on the canvas. Wlad rarely gets hit with the first or second punch, but it's usually that third left/right straight that catches him. I'm not sure what Pulev could have done differently.
Yeah... Pulev for me didn't have a snowball's chance in hell from the get-go. I'm not second-guessing what he did, but rather disappointed in yet another totally underwhelming opponent for Wlad. I'm hoping Wlad-Wilder materializes, if only for the chance to prove me and all other doubters wrong (or right) about Wlad.
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
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El Kabong
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TitoFan
There's the objective posters, who are willing to discuss some of Wlad's shortcomings, regardless of how successful he's been and how many beds of money he has or how many Hollywood actresses are hanging off his arms.... and then there's Lyle.
Lyle, why do you get so defensive about Wlad? Especially considering that everything is prefaced with: "Yes, he's has a great career, has defended his title numerous times, is articulate and intelligent, is a nice guy, walks on water never mind..... strike that one.
Drop the sarcasm and learn to discuss things civilly, man.
How about you just take some time and understand that Wladimir fought and fought well for a period of time
utilizing the tactics you (and the rest of those who dislike him) want him to use. Wlad fought in a crouch, threw numerous punches, and didn't give a shit at all for defense. That's how Wlad fought from the start of his career up to his hiring of Manny Steward.
There were weaknesses in Wlad's game, not so much to where he couldn't be a contender or hold a title, but enough to make it harder for him to have continued success. Wlad now fights in a manner which A) Minimizes damage he takes and B ) Maximizes damage he inflicts.....is "just winning" not enough? He fights in a style that takes his opponent out of the fight early on and frustrates them...instead of complaining about that perhaps as BOXING FANS you should appreciate it.
Not everyone can fight like Tyson, or Frazier, or Foreman and they shouldn't be expected to.
I don't want Wlad to fight in a crouch, Lyle.
I also don't want him not to give a shit about defense.
:vd:
Geeez.... this shouldn't be so difficult.
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Funny you should mention Foreman. Here's another guy who mostly towered over his opponents, with huge power in both hands, with mostly a straight-up stance, using his height and reach to his advantage. Another guy whose opponents for the most part went into the ring intimidated, looking to survive. Yet he never suffered from the same tag as Wlad, did he. Foreman during his early career did not get tagged that much (though he more than made up for that when he came back). Whatever he did was effective. Nowadays, he is not punch drunk, but an affable, engaging grandfather.
Not a good example to defend Wlad.
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
Big George was more of a slow mummy for the most part though... Wlad is actually quick!
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
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Beanflicker
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Master
Watch the first seconds of the fight and you will see. If Wlad had to stink the fight he would. He had the HBO contract signed, sealed and delivered anyway.
I actually do agree with you, I think Wlad probably did get more aggressive because Pulev was landing that jab on him. I guess where we differ is that I don't think that's a bad thing. Isn't it a smart play to be able to say "this guy is bothering me, I better turn the heat up on him and get him out of there quick." The great Mike McCallum did exactly that to Julian Jackson: he planned to box, Julian touched him with his cement hands and really shook McCallum to his core, and McCallum thought "holy shit, I need to take this guy out quick because I've never felt that kind of power before". It's making adjustments of the fly, I don't see why it's a knock on Wlad.
Pulev has a fantastic jab IMO, seeing him land it on Wlad early I really thought it was going to be a close, competitive fight.
Although he had a good jab he was very statuesque with his stance and boxing very slow and methodically. Open for that left hook.
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
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TitoFan
I don't want Wlad to fight in a crouch, Lyle.
I also don't want him not to give a shit about defense.
:vd:
Geeez.... this shouldn't be so difficult.
:thinking2:
Funny you should mention Foreman. Here's another guy who mostly towered over his opponents, with huge power in both hands, with mostly a straight-up stance, using his height and reach to his advantage. Another guy whose opponents for the most part went into the ring intimidated, looking to survive. Yet he never suffered from the same tag as Wlad, did he. Foreman during his early career did not get tagged that much (though he more than made up for that when he came back). Whatever he did was effective. Nowadays, he is not punch drunk, but an affable, engaging grandfather.
Not a good example to defend Wlad.
Allllright, well Wlad USED to throw numerous punches as well....and as he learned with Purrity and with Brewster there WILL be guys who can take those punches albeit few and far between. Wlad also learned vs Corrie Sanders that being overly aggressive can leave you open to counter punches...guys with that kind of power and accuracy again few and far between. But now Wlad has corrected most notably THOSE mistakes and you're upset at him for basically not allowing his opponents the chance to beat him.
George Foreman got tagged a lot when he was older, he has a hell of a chin on him. But again you look at Old Foreman (boring calculating fighter looking for a big punch) and Young Foreman (exciting slugger) and what do you immediately think? I think he would have had a better career had he started boxing the way he did in his comeback rather than being just an outright slugger....would have probably beaten Ali fighting at a slower pace and not getting mindfucked....but riddle me this, if 45 year old George Foreman fought like the 25 year old Foreman how would that have gone???
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Master
Although he had a good jab he was very statuesque with his stance and boxing very slow and methodically. Open for that left hook.
Indeed....a mere child could have beaten him :detective:
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
As good as Wlad is, in the end he is a steroid bully.
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
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Beanflicker
As good as Wlad is, in the end he is a steroid bully.
Now that you mention it he is more musclebound than when he was younger.
Re: Would Wlad stick around for Wilder if the latter mows down another 2-3 top conten
Hey guys... we all got our different opinions when it comes to Wlad.
But back on point, I'd lovvvvvvvvvve to be able to see a strong, aggressive Wilder in the ring against Wlad. Why don't I want it right now? Hell.... even a Wlad hater such as myself :rolleyes: can admit that Wilder right now is not ready for Wlad. That's why I'm saying at least one more fight. I don't want Wilder to waste a golden opportunity fighting Wlad before he's ready. And in a way it would be getting Wlad off the hook too easy. "Here.... fight the young phenom now, before he's ready. Beat his ass (legally or with tricks).... claim the victory over the last remaining threat.... and get the hell out of Dodge."
No. Before Wlad rides off into the sunset, I want to see a good, competitive heavyweight fight with give and take. I want to see Wlad get tagged and see how he takes it at this point in his career. If he has that kind of fight, and still comes back to win in epic fashion..... I'll take back every single negative cotton-picking thing I've ever said about Wlad. ;)
