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You should know better than that gandalf...I await your excuses on May the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think a lot of fans look at floyd and judge/hate him on his antics outside the ring rather than just compare both their skills in the ring and choose the better fighter.
Manchester United are a great football team but they aren't on that Barcelona level.
Floyds shoulder will drop by round 5 because Manny is equally hurtful with each hand and still quick and clever enough to keep up with a slowing Floyd. This will mentally unwrap Mayweather like a forgotten birthday present and the shock of hitting the canvas and having to get up on his old knee soon after, whilst being counted over will allow Pacquiao to beat him on points. Close, but no cigar Money.
Glad its done, finally. Still interested to see them fight. I just hope it's competitive
Good man.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Time will tell. I am judging Floyd on his last few fights and he doesn't seem to have it. Manny isn't quite the same either, but his speed and output are still there and Floyd is going to have a tough time negating that all night long. If Maidana can take 5 and Cotto can take 5, then why not Manny who is much better than them? Pac is probably going to land over 200 punches on Floyd and I can't see Mayweather eating them all and staying upright. Plus Manny is so much quicker than anyone Floyd has been in with for years. Floyd can handle southpaws, Floyd can handle power, Floyd can handle speed, Floyd can handle output, but I don't think he can do it against a fighter who has all four of those things. The Maidana fights revealed a lot about Floyd, he is still smart and he can adapt, but he is old and slowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYou should know better than that gandalf...I await your excuses on May the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think a lot of fans look at floyd and judge/hate him on his antics outside the ring rather than just compare both their skills in the ring and choose the better fighter.
Manchester United are a great football team but they aren't on that Barcelona level.
He is old and slowing but floyd has quick hands and is the fastest opponent that manny has ever faced as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTime will tell. I am judging Floyd on his last few fights and he doesn't seem to have it. Manny isn't quite the same either, but his speed and output are still there and Floyd is going to have a tough time negating that all night long. If Maidana can take 5 and Cotto can take 5, then why not Manny who is much better than them? Pac is probably going to land over 200 punches on Floyd and I can't see Mayweather eating them all and staying upright. Plus Manny is so much quicker than anyone Floyd has been in with for years. Floyd can handle southpaws, Floyd can handle power, Floyd can handle speed, Floyd can handle output, but I don't think he can do it against a fighter who has all four of those things. The Maidana fights revealed a lot about Floyd, he is still smart and he can adapt, but he is old and slowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYou should know better than that gandalf...I await your excuses on May the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think a lot of fans look at floyd and judge/hate him on his antics outside the ring rather than just compare both their skills in the ring and choose the better fighter.
Manchester United are a great football team but they aren't on that Barcelona level.
Manny will provide a great test but unfortunately marquez has shown us how to nullify that speed and has set the blueprint on mannys flaws..
MANNY HAS TO KO HIM TO WIN....
here is MY take on this long overdue fight. I am a mayweather hater, i admit it. BUT...seeing as how he finally accepted the fight, props to him!!! he does have the balls i guess.
Prediction: well, if mayweather don't weasel out of the fight somehow, he will 1). buy the judges AGAIN and get a gift decision in a long fight of floyd running and potshotting, and of course it will be considered good boxing by the corrupt judges and he will get the nod. for running!!!
manny will be the more aggressive one and land the better/harder punches.
or 2). hopefully!! MANNY HAS TO KO FLOYD TO WIN~!!!! especially in vegas.
if it goes the distance - we will see a mayweather/maidana 1 all over, but manny will punish floyd much more than maidana did. it wont matter tho, because the decision will already be made before the first bell rings. after all, its vegas and its floyd TBE mayweather!! :rolleyes:
Do your homework.
Manny and Freddie have already admitted they opted out of the first fight due to the blood day deadline ..doh!
And we know what happened with the offer of 40 million..smh
Can we live in hope and just have one thread on this fight?
True, Floyd is still fast and is the smartest fighter in the game. Marquez worked out Manny, but Manny worked out many of Mayweather's opponents and not only worked them out, but destroyed them. Styles make fights and that is why we are all going to be talking about it a lot, lot more!Quote:
Originally Posted by impHe is old and slowing but floyd has quick hands and is the fastest opponent that manny has ever faced as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTime will tell. I am judging Floyd on his last few fights and he doesn't seem to have it. Manny isn't quite the same either, but his speed and output are still there and Floyd is going to have a tough time negating that all night long. If Maidana can take 5 and Cotto can take 5, then why not Manny who is much better than them? Pac is probably going to land over 200 punches on Floyd and I can't see Mayweather eating them all and staying upright. Plus Manny is so much quicker than anyone Floyd has been in with for years. Floyd can handle southpaws, Floyd can handle power, Floyd can handle speed, Floyd can handle output, but I don't think he can do it against a fighter who has all four of those things. The Maidana fights revealed a lot about Floyd, he is still smart and he can adapt, but he is old and slowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYou should know better than that gandalf...I await your excuses on May the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think a lot of fans look at floyd and judge/hate him on his antics outside the ring rather than just compare both their skills in the ring and choose the better fighter.
Manchester United are a great football team but they aren't on that Barcelona level.
Manny will provide a great test but unfortunately marquez has shown us how to nullify that speed and has set the blueprint on mannys flaws..
One thing that people fail to see when they try to show Floyd's weaknesses by referring to the cotto and maidana fights is that both of them are pressure fighters which don't rely on speed but making you uncomfortable, and also that both are quite a bit bigger than Pac. Pac will not be able to push Floyd to the ropes like them nor does he even fight in that style.
I would say that the best argument you could make would be referencing to the zab fight because their styles are a bit more similar (although definitely have differences). But Pac fights more of the jump in and out style like zab tried to do with Floyd. The difference though was that Pac has slowed a lot and is no where near as quick as zab was.
It's possible that Pac can catch Floyd but it has been possible for all of his opponents to do it too. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Pac may be the best fighter Floyd has ever faced, but it definitely won't be his toughest fight. I can't see Pac winning more than 3 rounds.
There'll be a rematch defo September 12th - the fix is on
Close decision for Floyd then milk us all again
Would be hilarious if Manny lamped him with first punch of fight.
Floyd wins. I just dont see Floyd allowing himself to lose to Pac-Man. I don't see another Floyd - Canelo washout but I do see Floyd winning, maybe even by stoppage.
Floyd has fought the best and beat the best. The build up to it is going to be of Jurassic proportions. I'm looking forward to the HBO 24-7, almost as much as the fight (lol).
Floyds got reach on him too,he will be designing some controls around that as well earlier on.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Manny is erratic all out with some holes in defense.
I think more towards Marquez as the best Manny has fought.
Floyd made Marquez look wanting but shouldn't really compare styles I suppose.
This could easily be just the greatest show on Earth and the greatest public cash milking exercise next to carbon taxes.
But manny fought these common opponents AFTER floyd beat them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTrue, Floyd is still fast and is the smartest fighter in the game. Marquez worked out Manny, but Manny worked out many of Mayweather's opponents and not only worked them out, but destroyed them. Styles make fights and that is why we are all going to be talking about it a lot, lot more!Quote:
Originally Posted by impHe is old and slowing but floyd has quick hands and is the fastest opponent that manny has ever faced as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTime will tell. I am judging Floyd on his last few fights and he doesn't seem to have it. Manny isn't quite the same either, but his speed and output are still there and Floyd is going to have a tough time negating that all night long. If Maidana can take 5 and Cotto can take 5, then why not Manny who is much better than them? Pac is probably going to land over 200 punches on Floyd and I can't see Mayweather eating them all and staying upright. Plus Manny is so much quicker than anyone Floyd has been in with for years. Floyd can handle southpaws, Floyd can handle power, Floyd can handle speed, Floyd can handle output, but I don't think he can do it against a fighter who has all four of those things. The Maidana fights revealed a lot about Floyd, he is still smart and he can adapt, but he is old and slowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYou should know better than that gandalf...I await your excuses on May the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think a lot of fans look at floyd and judge/hate him on his antics outside the ring rather than just compare both their skills in the ring and choose the better fighter.
Manchester United are a great football team but they aren't on that Barcelona level.
Manny will provide a great test but unfortunately marquez has shown us how to nullify that speed and has set the blueprint on mannys flaws..
Massive difference.
ZAB Judah is much faster than pac and would outbox pac very easily...
In 6 rounds.
Man I wrote a book listing 100s of blatant lies but I figure it would be greeted with TLDR so a shorter version...Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Floyd did not add testing to get out of the fight. It was in the original contract that was agreed to. Team Pac used it to get out of the fight.
Pac isn't afraid of needles. What's funny is that wasn't even their first excuse. Arum threw excuse after excuse at the wall until he found one that stuck. Every day a new excuse. If I couldn't afford a house and I said "I don't have a house because I'm a nomad" then the next day I said "i don't have a house because I grew up in an orphanage and houses make me feel trapped" and I said a new thing every day for a week then finally I said "I don't have a house because I fear ceilings, sure I've been under many ceilings but not so regularly" are you going to believe me? No, because it's preposterous. Yet people regurgitate Manny fears needles as if there is any truth to it and as if it didn't come about in such a ridiculous way.
And Manny absolutely did not believe he signed a contract when he agreed to a deal memo. People need to stop excusing this nonsense. It's a blatant f'n lie. I don't get why people excuse someone blatantly f'n lying instead of calling them on it. Manny has signed many contracts, he knows what a contract looks like. A deal memo looks *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE A CONTRACT*. He lied, people should call him on it but instead they allow it.
As long as people don't call liars on their lies then Bobhas no problem lying, Manny has no problem lying, Roach has no problem lying. If you need evidence watch "Roach is a lying racist" on YouTube
First off, I'm really glad the fight is happening at the long last. This should stop most of the sh-t talks that's been going on here for just too long...
Well, buds, you've guessed it right. The announcement was a headline item in all the news programs here and many media outfits interrupted their usual programs to make the announcement. The story was just a bit ecclipsed though by the recent massacre of 44 police special force members here, who were ambushed after taking out a Malaysian terrorist who masterminded the Bali bombing. Manny told that he will dedicate the fight to these fallen police officers. So I say, go Manny!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI don't know about all that but every iota pre and post fight will be discussed here I an insane manner. We've been talking about this fight for years. It will be interesting. There is a lot of dislike for Floyd but those of us who dislike his arrogance and women beating still appreciate him as an incredible boxer. What I am most interested to see is what Manny can do about that jab. I think Floyd has one of the best jabs of all time and no one has an answer for it. It sets up everything. I think the consensus is Floyd, even being a Manny fan I probably agree but certainly don't write Manny off. I'm interested to hear from @pacfan to see what the mood in the Philippines is. They must be rockin. It'll be interested to see what the bookmakers in Vegas come up with. I'll probably throw a few bucks at Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIs your suggestion that Manny will pull out again but with an injury this time and Floyd will be blamed by Mannys fans? Because I can see "Floyd was so scared he paid Mannys sparring partner to injure Mannys ribs, clearly with Floyd pulling such trickery it was best not to postpone but rather cancel because Manny is afraid of postponement. And a fear of postponement is completely logical so we will be fine saying it over and over"Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I do have to say Mannys story is amazing, from a poor kid hustling in the streets of the Philippines to this, the biggest financial fight ever. It's late, neither of these guys are what they were buts it's going to be a he'll of an event. The undercards have to be great as well. Damn it's finally happening, I need to get permission from my wife to get the ppv, God my life sucks. Do you think Brock and GGG will be on the undergrad.
Hmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Almost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way to friggin many posts about the same topic.
Good points. Floyd's counter punching is by far the biggest factor in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreFloyds got reach on him too,he will be designing some controls around that as well earlier on.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Manny is erratic all out with some holes in defense.
I think more towards Marquez as the best Manny has fought.
Floyd made Marquez look wanting but shouldn't really compare styles I suppose.
This could easily be just the greatest show on Earth and the greatest public cash milking exercise next to carbon taxes.
Get used to it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeAlmost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way to friggin many posts about the same topic.
Point noted: Started to learn patience is a must here when I saw the 8th or so post on Ernie Shavers. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterGet used to it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeAlmost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way too friggin many posts about the same topic.
You know, I'm happy the fight is made, but right at the moment not really...excited.
It's like finally getting some from a woman that has been wined and dined for a year or so.
It's more like an expectation -finally met.:rolleyes:
This is the first day, imagine what it will be like fight night! This is all foreplay. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraePoint noted: Started to learn patience is a must here when I saw the 8th or so post on Ernie Shavers. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterGet used to it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeAlmost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way too friggin many posts about the same topic.
You know, I'm happy the fight is made, but right at the moment not really...excited.
It's like finally getting some from a woman that has been wined and dined for a year or so.
It's more like an expectation -finally met.:rolleyes:
Just to think, it took the world's mightiest countries less time to fight World War 2 than it did for the clowns controlling Pacquiao & Mayweather Jr to negotiate to get the two of them into the ring.:confused:
Fast forward to May the 2nd so that we can all finally watch FOTY 2008!:-\
Id say Pacquiao is basically out of options that sell or wont get beaten in. This is his last big fight, unless its a good fight and theres a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeAlmost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way to friggin many posts about the same topic.
Maybe this fight's big enough to have its own board. ;D
It did remember! They were not even fighting. It was insane. :oQuote:
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Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way to friggin many posts about the same topic.
Maybe this fight's big enough to have its own board. ;D
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Originally Posted by MasterIt did remember! They were not even fighting. It was insane. :oQuote:
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeAlmost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way to friggin many posts about the same topic.
Maybe this fight's big enough to have its own board. ;D
No I didn't. So imagine now that it's on. Bring on a little insanity, I say. :D
I fear for our sanity.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MasterIt did remember! They were not even fighting. It was insane. :oQuote:
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeAlmost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way to friggin many posts about the same topic.
Maybe this fight's big enough to have its own board. ;D
No I didn't. So imagine now that it's on. Bring on a little insanity, I say. :D
It's going to be a boring Floyd points win in a right old anticlimax of a fight. Manny hasn't knocked anybody out for five or six years and he's not going to get to Floyd.
The undercard is one fight each for Top Rank and Mayweather promotions. Lomachenko is supposed to be the Top Rank fighter and one of the Mayweather nonentities gets the third televised fight.
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Originally Posted by MasterI fear for our sanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt did remember! They were not even fighting. It was insane. :oQuote:
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeAlmost didnt see this. About to state;Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanHmmm, that's a great philosophical question, Master. I hope you will find the answer one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Any moderators here? Merge the other posts into this one- or delete the others... way to friggin many posts about the same topic.
Maybe this fight's big enough to have its own board. ;D
No I didn't. So imagine now that it's on. Bring on a little insanity, I say. :D
Enjoy the insanity. A fight like this won't happen again in our lifetime.:cool:
I just hope the fight goes on as scheduled and that both fighters turn in the performance of a lifetime.
Oh..... and one more thing....
PLEEEEEEEEASE...... no inept judging or refereeing on this one.
Hmm... maybe I should wish for something more realistic.
I wish I had a million dollars.
Happy 38th birthday to Mayweather today.
If the undercards suck it will be a true shame. It's going to be hard for me not to get this fight but I will in protest. Lomachenko is good but I don't want to see Floyd fledglings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I was thinking about this the other day, who's going to ref this bad boy. I wish Frank Cappuccino would *sigh* I hope it isn't Kenny Bayless again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'm genuinely surprised that this fight is on and so will be doubtful that it will stay on until I hear the first bell.
As for the fight itself - ever seen Duran vs Leonard III?
Great fun. :rolleyes:
If it was up to Arum and he was in the position he was ten or twenty years ago the undercard would be total garbage. But now he's looking at possibly Manny's last fight and he has the competition from Fishnets and Haymon and doesn't have any new PPV stars to promote so he needs to try and make one. Lomachenko is probably his next best thing after Manny so the chances are he'll get the undercard slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusIf the undercards suck it will be a true shame. It's going to be hard for me not to get this fight but I will in protest. Lomachenko is good but I don't want to see Floyd fledglings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
If Don King was doing the show ge woould put on the under card:-
Wlad v Wilder with the winner fighting against comeback Tyson.
GGG v Froch winner beats up Ward
Saul v Cotto winner gets the winner of the main event. :)
Since 1 of the 3 belts is super welter, what will Floyd & Pac weigh on fight night ? Big difference between the 2?