I'm not hating but Floyd could arguably have at least 3 Loses ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
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I'm not hating but Floyd could arguably have at least 3 Loses ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
A Ford Fiesta and an Opel Corsa are not the exact same car, but they are the same type of car... If I drive a hatchback into you, I don't really think you'll care if it was a Corsa or a Fiesta, the fact that you've spent a lifetime not looking when you cross the road is probably more important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraLike I said, you don't have to use exact , Same will do for me. Same means SAME, you don't have to emphasise it with EXACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
So let's make it clear an overhead swinging Right is the SAME punch as a Straight Right? And with one , Manny was moving backwards, while the other, he walks straight onto it.
So does that mean an uppercut and a jab are the SAME punch as well.
After all, I'm led to believe that you're the Boxer so you tell me. :rolleyes:
If you want to get excited because I said same punch instead of 'type' of punch then that's your problem, like I said... I underestimated the intelligence of my audience, next time I'll write it out in precise detail for you and use big colour pictures.
Only an idiot could watch a 9 minute (I'm sure you'll correct me, was it not precisely 9 minutes?) montage of Pac getting continually hit by a variety of right hands, in a variety of situations and by a variety of punchers and call it a 'careless, one off mistake' when he inevitably got KO'd by one eventually. :vd:
Not saying you're hating, just that a lot of people like your opinion ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaI'm not hating but Floyd could arguably have at least 3 Loses ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Lomachenko did not belong anywhere near a title grab in his professional debut. It was a sham of a hand holding to a showcase spotlight that blew up in Arums face and I'm glad he lost. I don't care if you shat Gold medals at 3 AM on the porcelain bowl.
Antonio Margarito owns a plaster moulding company and sometimes forgets to wash his hands after a shift and before a fight.
you really believe that canelo deserved a draw? i had it a shutout easily. i dont know if you could seriously give a round to canelo in that fight other than a charity round where he actually landed a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'll be honest. I laughed when I saw 'draw' . Then I went back and watched the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncheryou really believe that canelo deserved a draw? i had it a shutout easily. i dont know if you could seriously give a round to canelo in that fight other than a charity round where he actually landed a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'm not saying I think it's a draw because ultimately in all cases the fight is scored upon the first viewing and upon the first viewing i scored it wide for mayweather but looking back at it again it's easy to see how you could score a drawer or even a win for canelo. it's crazy house objective scoring can vary.
This could go on forever, especially if you want to add words like TYPE to Same to justify your weak , futile argument. I won't go into how a Fiesta and a Corsa are not the SAME , as you are clearly not getting it and I don't want to stretch you mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBA Ford Fiesta and an Opel Corsa are not the exact same car, but they are the same type of car... If I drive a hatchback into you, I don't really think you'll care if it was a Corsa or a Fiesta, the fact that you've spent a lifetime not looking when you cross the road is probably more important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraLike I said, you don't have to use exact , Same will do for me. Same means SAME, you don't have to emphasise it with EXACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
So let's make it clear an overhead swinging Right is the SAME punch as a Straight Right? And with one , Manny was moving backwards, while the other, he walks straight onto it.
So does that mean an uppercut and a jab are the SAME punch as well.
After all, I'm led to believe that you're the Boxer so you tell me. :rolleyes:
If you want to get excited because I said same punch instead of 'type' of punch then that's your problem, like I said... I underestimated the intelligence of my audience, next time I'll write it out in precise detail for you and use big colour pictures.
Only an idiot could watch a 9 minute (I'm sure you'll correct me, was it not precisely 9 minutes?) montage of Pac getting continually hit by a variety of right hands, in a variety of situations and by a variety of punchers and call it a 'careless, one off mistake' when he inevitably got KO'd by one eventually. :vd:
So , you originally would have us believe that JMM had made a lifetime study of Pac and come up with that "Eureka Moment!" Perhaps on that basis , we should put him in the same bracket as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein!
Whereas in reality, it took him the best part of 4 fights to prove his theory, and surely aren't most Southpaws that throw a lot of combinations Susceptible (apologies if the word is too long for you) to getting hit by a dangerous Right hand, whether it be a straight , jab, cross, hook, uppercut or Haymaker!
Hardly fuckin rocket science or splitting the atom is it? :rolleyes:
Finally, how come I'm the pedantic one, when you were the one that when told it was a thread of unpopular opinions, you tried to differentiate between "unpopular" and " Unsubstantiated" !
Had Calzaghe fought the younger Hopkins, jones he would have still outworked them.
Toney too.;)
Because there's a huge difference between unpopularity and substantiation ('apologies if the word is too long for you' redux), whereas the difference between a right cross and a right straight is relatively trivial by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThis could go on forever, especially if you want to add words like TYPE to Same to justify your weak , futile argument. I won't go into how a Fiesta and a Corsa are not the SAME , as you are clearly not getting it and I don't want to stretch you mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBA Ford Fiesta and an Opel Corsa are not the exact same car, but they are the same type of car... If I drive a hatchback into you, I don't really think you'll care if it was a Corsa or a Fiesta, the fact that you've spent a lifetime not looking when you cross the road is probably more important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraLike I said, you don't have to use exact , Same will do for me. Same means SAME, you don't have to emphasise it with EXACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
So let's make it clear an overhead swinging Right is the SAME punch as a Straight Right? And with one , Manny was moving backwards, while the other, he walks straight onto it.
So does that mean an uppercut and a jab are the SAME punch as well.
After all, I'm led to believe that you're the Boxer so you tell me. :rolleyes:
If you want to get excited because I said same punch instead of 'type' of punch then that's your problem, like I said... I underestimated the intelligence of my audience, next time I'll write it out in precise detail for you and use big colour pictures.
Only an idiot could watch a 9 minute (I'm sure you'll correct me, was it not precisely 9 minutes?) montage of Pac getting continually hit by a variety of right hands, in a variety of situations and by a variety of punchers and call it a 'careless, one off mistake' when he inevitably got KO'd by one eventually. :vd:
So , you originally would have us believe that JMM had made a lifetime study of Pac and come up with that "Eureka Moment!" Perhaps on that basis , we should put him in the same bracket as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein!
Whereas in reality, it took him the best part of 4 fights to prove his theory, and surely aren't most Southpaws that throw a lot of combinations Susceptible (apologies if the word is too long for you) to getting hit by a dangerous Right hand, whether it be a straight , jab, cross, hook, uppercut or Haymaker!
Hardly fuckin rocket science or splitting the atom is it? :rolleyes:
Finally, how come I'm the pedantic one, when you were the one that when told it was a thread of unpopular opinions, you tried to differentiate between "unpopular" and " Unsubstantiated" !
I don't recall saying that hooks/uppercuts/jabs were the same? Save the straw man argument please. Crosses, straights and overhands thrown from the backhand are all the same type of punch.
JMM always knew Pac was susceptible to the right hand (overhand, looping, straight, cross and any other differential you need) you need to maybe actually pay attention when watching their fights... He'd used the right hand liberally for 3 fights (particularly the 3rd) as part of his usual style of trying to counter and outwork Pac, rather than fight with a knockout mentality. Heres another 10 minutes if footage for you to ignore. Same punches, different approach
http://youtu.be/O5Mqa6tDLRU
the fact that in their 4th he was twice as aggressive as usual, stood and took more risks and did something completely new by hiring a strength coach ought to tell you that JMM was taking a different approach and had every intention of capitalising on the life long vulnerability of Pac's... It's quite clear from round one onwards what JMM was looking to do this time, assuming you actually understand what you're watching of course...
After consistently finding his mark with the right hand and getting robbed again, why wouldn't he plan to come back more aggressively and throw it with actual knock out intentions the next time to take it away from the judges?
Pac's in for a painful night with Mayweather if he's stupid enough to write off JMM's (non specific variety of) right hand(s) as a lucky punch and the result of merely a single moment of carelessness. Please never become a boxing coach, you'll get somebody hurt.
Yeah my take on it is only unpopular out here in Oz cause they dont like loosing and go withthe old man thing where as Kostya himself doesnt buy into it.Hatton got hit so hard in that fight a few times,others would of caved but he was still set on the task.HAve to give him props for that one and the path there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI think my opinion of Hatton had always been unpopular I never saw him as the P4P superstar many did, with the help of the ref he was able to wrestle a rusty and past prime Tyszu into submission, he looked flat against a lot of fighters who a true p4p fighter really shouldn't have, got Castillo at the right time (but did land a beautiful body shot to stop him), his 147 title was gifted to him and he 'boxed' a stupid fight against Manny... Lunging straight forward with his hands down and his chin up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Don't get me wrong, solid career and he always gave his all. I just think he was overhyped and not the calibre most British fans want to believe. I just wish he'd taken his lifestyle a bit more seriously and continued work on his skills after he'd landed on the world stage instead of buying into his own hype of being this relentless raging bull.
To be honest Tszyu used to rough up fighters and throw them around and pull the odd old trick,Hatton beat him at his own game a rough one. You are right though the ref could of made it a better fight but in reality I dont think it would of ended any other way. Kostya was a real great went out the way he came in no excuses a warrior to the end.
Personally I think an older Hopkins beat him anyway so I'm going to disagree using my own unpopular opinion! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Hawaii State Boxing Commission
Turning down Muhammad Ali for his request to fight in Hawaii.
The response was >
We feel that Muhammad Ali is an unfit athlete, and should not be allowed to box
in a regulated boxing event.
Though he's 38 years old, he has the reflexes of a man in his mid 50's.
imp is on mayweathers cock
I think Margarito's win over Cotto, irrespective of his cheating, is one of the greatest comebacks of all time.
Thats because you don't know how to score a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBPersonally I think an older Hopkins beat him anyway so I'm going to disagree using my own unpopular opinion! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ignorance is bliss;)
Listen, if it makes you happy to keep backstroking on what you've said to continually try to justify your dross, then crack on! but please spare me the old "I've been between the ropes so I know everything and you know fuck all" horseshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBBecause there's a huge difference between unpopularity and substantiation ('apologies if the word is too long for you' redux), whereas the difference between a right cross and a right straight is relatively trivial by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThis could go on forever, especially if you want to add words like TYPE to Same to justify your weak , futile argument. I won't go into how a Fiesta and a Corsa are not the SAME , as you are clearly not getting it and I don't want to stretch you mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBA Ford Fiesta and an Opel Corsa are not the exact same car, but they are the same type of car... If I drive a hatchback into you, I don't really think you'll care if it was a Corsa or a Fiesta, the fact that you've spent a lifetime not looking when you cross the road is probably more important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraLike I said, you don't have to use exact , Same will do for me. Same means SAME, you don't have to emphasise it with EXACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
So let's make it clear an overhead swinging Right is the SAME punch as a Straight Right? And with one , Manny was moving backwards, while the other, he walks straight onto it.
So does that mean an uppercut and a jab are the SAME punch as well.
After all, I'm led to believe that you're the Boxer so you tell me. :rolleyes:
If you want to get excited because I said same punch instead of 'type' of punch then that's your problem, like I said... I underestimated the intelligence of my audience, next time I'll write it out in precise detail for you and use big colour pictures.
Only an idiot could watch a 9 minute (I'm sure you'll correct me, was it not precisely 9 minutes?) montage of Pac getting continually hit by a variety of right hands, in a variety of situations and by a variety of punchers and call it a 'careless, one off mistake' when he inevitably got KO'd by one eventually. :vd:
So , you originally would have us believe that JMM had made a lifetime study of Pac and come up with that "Eureka Moment!" Perhaps on that basis , we should put him in the same bracket as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein!
Whereas in reality, it took him the best part of 4 fights to prove his theory, and surely aren't most Southpaws that throw a lot of combinations Susceptible (apologies if the word is too long for you) to getting hit by a dangerous Right hand, whether it be a straight , jab, cross, hook, uppercut or Haymaker!
Hardly fuckin rocket science or splitting the atom is it? :rolleyes:
Finally, how come I'm the pedantic one, when you were the one that when told it was a thread of unpopular opinions, you tried to differentiate between "unpopular" and " Unsubstantiated" !
I don't recall saying that hooks/uppercuts/jabs were the same? Save the straw man argument please. Crosses, straights and overhands thrown from the backhand are all the same type of punch.
JMM always knew Pac was susceptible to the right hand (overhand, looping, straight, cross and any other differential you need) you need to maybe actually pay attention when watching their fights... He'd used the right hand liberally for 3 fights (particularly the 3rd) as part of his usual style of trying to counter and outwork Pac, rather than fight with a knockout mentality. Heres another 10 minutes if footage for you to ignore. Same punches, different approach
http://youtu.be/O5Mqa6tDLRU
the fact that in their 4th he was twice as aggressive as usual, stood and took more risks and did something completely new by hiring a strength coach ought to tell you that JMM was taking a different approach and had every intention of capitalising on the life long vulnerability of Pac's... It's quite clear from round one onwards what JMM was looking to do this time, assuming you actually understand what you're watching of course...
After consistently finding his mark with the right hand and getting robbed again, why wouldn't he plan to come back more aggressively and throw it with actual knock out intentions the next time to take it away from the judges?
Pac's in for a painful night with Mayweather if he's stupid enough to write off JMM's (non specific variety of) right hand(s) as a lucky punch and the result of merely a single moment of carelessness. Please never become a boxing coach, you'll get somebody hurt.
This thread was all about People having opinions that may be a touch controversial and everyone else reading them and just thinking "mmm" or "what a prick!" They weren't supposed to be debated ad infinitum otherwise they would've had their own individual thread. I notice you're the only fucker to make comments on not just mine but other people's "Unpopular opinions" , which was the total opposite of the spirit of the thread. :appl:
I've humoured you for long enough, so don't bother replying, because although it was fun at first ridiculing your silly argument, I've got bored with it now and there's a couple of walls I've just painted and I would rather watch them dry! :rolleyes:
When did I pull rank and talk about my own boxing experience? 2nd time you've brought it up with no provocation. Lose the chip on your shoulder.
I've not back tracked once, Pac has always been vulnerable to the right hand, Marquez just had the guts and skill to take the risk and plant his toes in front of Manny in the 4th fight to take full advantage of it.
All I've done is (repeatedly) point out that splitting hairs over terminology doesn't at all change the validity of anything.
Other people have replied to opinions in this thread, whether they be about Hatton or Canelo, of course to expect you to realise this when reading the thread would also be expecting some basic level of comprehension from you.
Go and enjoy your walls, I've spent this thread wasting my time by talking to one.
No mate, it's because you don't know what effective punches are ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats because you don't know how to score a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBPersonally I think an older Hopkins beat him anyway so I'm going to disagree using my own unpopular opinion! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ignorance is bliss;)
One thing I think we'll all agree on is that it was an ugly fight!
I never said you talked about your own boxing experience , I couldn't give a rat's ass about your boxing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Remarks like "you need to maybe actually pay attention when watching their fights" , "assuming you actually understand what you're watching of course..." and " Please never become a boxing coach, you'll get somebody hurt. "
all highlight the arrogant perception that you know what you're on about and anybody that thinks differently doesn't. I don't have to point this out to you because you know what you're trying to do , but hey-ho, such is life. cheerio!
:rolleyes:Unpopular opinion? Adam vs Primo isn't that interesting.
Super middle weight Lolenga Mock was one more punch away from KOING the future WBA HW title holder David Haye.
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
...and you accuse me of backtracking? ;D
Heres a tip, your whole 'I've humoured you, but now I'm bored, cheerio *rides off into sunset*' act would work a lot better when you can resist your urge to have the last word... :rolleyes:
Two of your own loathed back pedals in a singe post, outstanding. :)
I think it is a good battle an had it a draw. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
were there any low blows? rabbit shots? how about that "cheerio" thing?
I think the 1st part is unpopular at least..
Ray Leonard was over rated as a boxer- But very underated as a brawler.
Ray Leonard was the most hyped and protected figher of all time. He earned more in his first fight than Marvin Hagler was earning after 15 years as a pro.
He only ever took ONE risky fight, the first Hearns fight. Each and every other fight was carefully chosen and he always waited until his opponent was the most vulnerable.
Duran was coming up in weight, Leonard was the naturally bigger man and he should have won. He messed Hagler around for years, and most certainly didn't desrve the decision against him. There is no way he drew with Hearns in their second fight.
All the time the image machines was focusing on his smile and hyping him up, he was doing coke and beating his wife up.
Evander Holyfield would never have been world heavyweight champion without juicing steroids.
Riddick Bowe would never have beaten Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson didn't rape Desiree Washington
Floyd Matweather would have been competitive against any junior Welter or welterweight in history, but he wouldn't have made much money as people wouldn't have paid to see him fight.
Basketball has ruined Americal heavyweight boxing
Greenbeanz secretly has a crush on Miles and Brockton
I think Manny might knock Floyd out
I think Fury has the freakish unorthodox attributes and size that could beat Wlad
I'd prefer same day weigh ins
I'd prefer 8 divisions, maybe 10 instead of 17 plus 10 available catchweights at a moments notice.
15 rounds for title fights
You can paint most fighters in such light there X but really, LEonard fought plenty of guests and I find it difficult to believe he manufactured his entire career.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
You can say the same about MAyweather or Ali but they still fought many high quality opponents for their respective times (the exception being the Manny duck of course).
Those are not unpopular opinions...Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Those are all basic facts that nearly everybody agrees on with exception to the ridiculous basketball rubbish made up by American's as an excuse for losing to foreign boxers. And I dunno about Beans.
I like the Tyson bit. I've never met ANY single person who actually believes that Tyson wasn't set up by that bitch.
Berto is not done yet!
Ali won the fight of the century ;D
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
You beat me to it, but I'll state it another way...
Previous day weigh ins are a joke, exploited in tragic fashion by the likes of JCC Jr. and others.
Bring back same day weigh ins and quit stalling.
Watched the Julian Jackson-Gerald McCellan II fight recently. I feel for Julian when post fight he stated "Gerald is a BIG middleweight. Dude came in looking like a LHW, just a bad thing for those who fight at walk around weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
You beat me to it, but I'll state it another way...
Previous day weigh ins are a joke, exploited in tragic fashion by the likes of JCC Jr. and others.
Bring back same day weigh ins and quit stalling.
Yeah its a shame and in many ways its sanctioned cheating. I remember all the chatter after Gatti/Gomache. The entire weigh in was a sham.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeWatched the Julian Jackson-Gerald McCellan II fight recently. I feel for Julian when post fight he stated "Gerald is a BIG middleweight. Dude came in looking like a LHW, just a bad thing for those who fight at walk around weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
You beat me to it, but I'll state it another way...
Previous day weigh ins are a joke, exploited in tragic fashion by the likes of JCC Jr. and others.
Bring back same day weigh ins and quit stalling.
There are not many natural weight fighters left above 115. I remember even Hop weighing in under 160 the night of his fight with Oscar and he was around 160 in every fight at middle on the night of it. Floyd was like that for years but age has put on about 6 pounds or so when he rehydrates.
Manny might be the only one left that could be on or near 147 the night of his fights.
Jack Dempsey never fought black fighters because his promoter Tex Rickard feared (white) America would react the same way after the Jack Johnson victory if Dempsey lost; with hatred for a black fighter beating another great white fighter. https://beatsboxingmayhem.files.word...s_contract.jpg
I don't fault Dempsey. None of us can fathom how fucking wicked the nation behaved upon Johnson's victory. It came close to Wills vs Dempsey- but they stopped short when the question of a potential Dempsey loss was considered. If so, why would he have even sat down with the man as seen here if he was so racist as some claim?
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Ike hadn't called that lying hooker he'd have been the natural successor to Lennox Lewis. Ike would have smashed the Klit brothers. A Lennox-Ike fight would have been awesome with both in their prime. Would have been a hard fight to watch for me knowing & liking both fighters though