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[powerpuncher]

Trinidad outpointed Oscar
Chavez drew with Whitaker
Canelo drew with Floyd
Oscar outpointed Floyd

you really believe that canelo deserved a draw? i had it a shutout easily. i dont know if you could seriously give a round to canelo in that fight other than a charity round where he actually landed a punch.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Trinidad outpointed Oscar
Chavez drew with Whitaker
Canelo drew with Floyd
Oscar outpointed Floyd

you really believe that canelo deserved a draw? i had it a shutout easily. i dont know if you could seriously give a round to canelo in that fight other than a charity round where he actually landed a punch.

I'll be honest. I laughed when I saw 'draw' . Then I went back and watched the fight.

I'm not saying I think it's a draw because ultimately in all cases the fight is scored upon the first viewing and upon the first viewing i scored it wide for mayweather but looking back at it again it's easy to see how you could score a drawer or even a win for canelo. it's crazy house objective scoring can vary.

[Primo Carnera]

Really? I thought I had to spell things out to the letter for you to stop them going over your head, now you're telling me I don't actually have to be too precise? Which is it?

Like I said, you don't have to use exact , Same will do for me. Same means SAME, you don't have to emphasise it with EXACT.
So let's make it clear an overhead swinging Right is the SAME punch as a Straight Right? And with one , Manny was moving backwards, while the other, he walks straight onto it.
So does that mean an uppercut and a jab are the SAME punch as well.
After all, I'm led to believe that you're the Boxer so you tell me.

A Ford Fiesta and an Opel Corsa are not the exact same car, but they are the same type of car... If I drive a hatchback into you, I don't really think you'll care if it was a Corsa or a Fiesta, the fact that you've spent a lifetime not looking when you cross the road is probably more important.

If you want to get excited because I said same punch instead of 'type' of punch then that's your problem, like I said... I underestimated the intelligence of my audience, next time I'll write it out in precise detail for you and use big colour pictures.

Only an idiot could watch a 9 minute (I'm sure you'll correct me, was it not precisely 9 minutes?) montage of Pac getting continually hit by a variety of right hands, in a variety of situations and by a variety of punchers and call it a 'careless, one off mistake' when he inevitably got KO'd by one eventually.

This could go on forever, especially if you want to add words like TYPE to Same to justify your weak , futile argument. I won't go into how a Fiesta and a Corsa are not the SAME , as you are clearly not getting it and I don't want to stretch you mentally.
So , you originally would have us believe that JMM had made a lifetime study of Pac and come up with that "Eureka Moment!" Perhaps on that basis , we should put him in the same bracket as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein!
Whereas in reality, it took him the best part of 4 fights to prove his theory, and surely aren't most Southpaws that throw a lot of combinations Susceptible (apologies if the word is too long for you) to getting hit by a dangerous Right hand, whether it be a straight , jab, cross, hook, uppercut or Haymaker!
Hardly fuckin rocket science or splitting the atom is it?
Finally, how come I'm the pedantic one, when you were the one that when told it was a thread of unpopular opinions, you tried to differentiate between "unpopular" and " Unsubstantiated" !

[ross]

Had Calzaghe fought the younger Hopkins, jones he would have still outworked them.

Toney too.

[AdamGB]

Really? I thought I had to spell things out to the letter for you to stop them going over your head, now you're telling me I don't actually have to be too precise? Which is it?

Like I said, you don't have to use exact , Same will do for me. Same means SAME, you don't have to emphasise it with EXACT.
So let's make it clear an overhead swinging Right is the SAME punch as a Straight Right? And with one , Manny was moving backwards, while the other, he walks straight onto it.
So does that mean an uppercut and a jab are the SAME punch as well.
After all, I'm led to believe that you're the Boxer so you tell me.

A Ford Fiesta and an Opel Corsa are not the exact same car, but they are the same type of car... If I drive a hatchback into you, I don't really think you'll care if it was a Corsa or a Fiesta, the fact that you've spent a lifetime not looking when you cross the road is probably more important.

If you want to get excited because I said same punch instead of 'type' of punch then that's your problem, like I said... I underestimated the intelligence of my audience, next time I'll write it out in precise detail for you and use big colour pictures.

Only an idiot could watch a 9 minute (I'm sure you'll correct me, was it not precisely 9 minutes?) montage of Pac getting continually hit by a variety of right hands, in a variety of situations and by a variety of punchers and call it a 'careless, one off mistake' when he inevitably got KO'd by one eventually.

This could go on forever, especially if you want to add words like TYPE to Same to justify your weak , futile argument. I won't go into how a Fiesta and a Corsa are not the SAME , as you are clearly not getting it and I don't want to stretch you mentally.
So , you originally would have us believe that JMM had made a lifetime study of Pac and come up with that "Eureka Moment!" Perhaps on that basis , we should put him in the same bracket as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein!
Whereas in reality, it took him the best part of 4 fights to prove his theory, and surely aren't most Southpaws that throw a lot of combinations Susceptible (apologies if the word is too long for you) to getting hit by a dangerous Right hand, whether it be a straight , jab, cross, hook, uppercut or Haymaker!
Hardly fuckin rocket science or splitting the atom is it?
Finally, how come I'm the pedantic one, when you were the one that when told it was a thread of unpopular opinions, you tried to differentiate between "unpopular" and " Unsubstantiated" !

Because there's a huge difference between unpopularity and substantiation ('apologies if the word is too long for you' redux), whereas the difference between a right cross and a right straight is relatively trivial by comparison.

I don't recall saying that hooks/uppercuts/jabs were the same? Save the straw man argument please. Crosses, straights and overhands thrown from the backhand are all the same type of punch.

JMM always knew Pac was susceptible to the right hand (overhand, looping, straight, cross and any other differential you need) you need to maybe actually pay attention when watching their fights... He'd used the right hand liberally for 3 fights (particularly the 3rd) as part of his usual style of trying to counter and outwork Pac, rather than fight with a knockout mentality. Heres another 10 minutes if footage for you to ignore. Same punches, different approach

http://youtu.be/O5Mqa6tDLRU

the fact that in their 4th he was twice as aggressive as usual, stood and took more risks and did something completely new by hiring a strength coach ought to tell you that JMM was taking a different approach and had every intention of capitalising on the life long vulnerability of Pac's... It's quite clear from round one onwards what JMM was looking to do this time, assuming you actually understand what you're watching of course...

After consistently finding his mark with the right hand and getting robbed again, why wouldn't he plan to come back more aggressively and throw it with actual knock out intentions the next time to take it away from the judges?

Pac's in for a painful night with Mayweather if he's stupid enough to write off JMM's (non specific variety of) right hand(s) as a lucky punch and the result of merely a single moment of carelessness. Please never become a boxing coach, you'll get somebody hurt.

[Andre]

Hatton became under rated when he flattend out, but he never really aimed seriously past the pinnacle that was Kostya. You have to hand it to him,it was one of the longest visions that became a reality through hard work.
Him beating Vince Phillips was part of the psychology behind the taking down of Tszyu, outside of the ring.(A tactic the Champion Tszyu did with all his main opponents before,he would get into their heads somehow ever so subtlety) and would build a win around it. KT should of done the job on Vince but couldnt then wouldnt. Ricky also aimed to move on each ex opponent in a fuller way than Kostya did so he was always chiseling away at the mountain Kostya had built (Thats what got him the end result,his dream fight). Then the younger man beat the older one by playing his own ring game. That balanced out what happened to Chavez previously when facing the younger Tszyu the greatest at 140 ever.
I also recon this period (Tszyu's) was the most exiting in boxing ever. 140 was lit up, 135 was lit up 147 lit up, and Roy lit up the mid to light, while the Feather weights and the bantams were all having greater wars than any of the higher weights.

I think my opinion of Hatton had always been unpopular I never saw him as the P4P superstar many did, with the help of the ref he was able to wrestle a rusty and past prime Tyszu into submission, he looked flat against a lot of fighters who a true p4p fighter really shouldn't have, got Castillo at the right time (but did land a beautiful body shot to stop him), his 147 title was gifted to him and he 'boxed' a stupid fight against Manny... Lunging straight forward with his hands down and his chin up.

Don't get me wrong, solid career and he always gave his all. I just think he was overhyped and not the calibre most British fans want to believe. I just wish he'd taken his lifestyle a bit more seriously and continued work on his skills after he'd landed on the world stage instead of buying into his own hype of being this relentless raging bull.

Yeah my take on it is only unpopular out here in Oz cause they dont like loosing and go withthe old man thing where as Kostya himself doesnt buy into it.Hatton got hit so hard in that fight a few times,others would of caved but he was still set on the task.HAve to give him props for that one and the path there.
To be honest Tszyu used to rough up fighters and throw them around and pull the odd old trick,Hatton beat him at his own game a rough one. You are right though the ref could of made it a better fight but in reality I dont think it would of ended any other way. Kostya was a real great went out the way he came in no excuses a warrior to the end.

[AdamGB]

Had Calzaghe fought the younger Hopkins, jones he would have still outworked them.

Toney too.

Personally I think an older Hopkins beat him anyway so I'm going to disagree using my own unpopular opinion!

[Bill Paxtom]

Hawaii State Boxing Commission

Turning down Muhammad Ali for his request to fight in Hawaii.

The response was >

We feel that Muhammad Ali is an unfit athlete, and should not be allowed to box
in a regulated boxing event.

Though he's 38 years old, he has the reflexes of a man in his mid 50's.

[chris6878]

imp is on mayweathers cock

[birch]

I think Margarito's win over Cotto, irrespective of his cheating, is one of the greatest comebacks of all time.

[ross]

Had Calzaghe fought the younger Hopkins, jones he would have still outworked them.

Toney too.

Personally I think an older Hopkins beat him anyway so I'm going to disagree using my own unpopular opinion!

Thats because you don't know how to score a fight.

Ignorance is bliss

[Primo Carnera]

Really? I thought I had to spell things out to the letter for you to stop them going over your head, now you're telling me I don't actually have to be too precise? Which is it?

Like I said, you don't have to use exact , Same will do for me. Same means SAME, you don't have to emphasise it with EXACT.
So let's make it clear an overhead swinging Right is the SAME punch as a Straight Right? And with one , Manny was moving backwards, while the other, he walks straight onto it.
So does that mean an uppercut and a jab are the SAME punch as well.
After all, I'm led to believe that you're the Boxer so you tell me.

A Ford Fiesta and an Opel Corsa are not the exact same car, but they are the same type of car... If I drive a hatchback into you, I don't really think you'll care if it was a Corsa or a Fiesta, the fact that you've spent a lifetime not looking when you cross the road is probably more important.

If you want to get excited because I said same punch instead of 'type' of punch then that's your problem, like I said... I underestimated the intelligence of my audience, next time I'll write it out in precise detail for you and use big colour pictures.

Only an idiot could watch a 9 minute (I'm sure you'll correct me, was it not precisely 9 minutes?) montage of Pac getting continually hit by a variety of right hands, in a variety of situations and by a variety of punchers and call it a 'careless, one off mistake' when he inevitably got KO'd by one eventually.

This could go on forever, especially if you want to add words like TYPE to Same to justify your weak , futile argument. I won't go into how a Fiesta and a Corsa are not the SAME , as you are clearly not getting it and I don't want to stretch you mentally.
So , you originally would have us believe that JMM had made a lifetime study of Pac and come up with that "Eureka Moment!" Perhaps on that basis , we should put him in the same bracket as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein!
Whereas in reality, it took him the best part of 4 fights to prove his theory, and surely aren't most Southpaws that throw a lot of combinations Susceptible (apologies if the word is too long for you) to getting hit by a dangerous Right hand, whether it be a straight , jab, cross, hook, uppercut or Haymaker!
Hardly fuckin rocket science or splitting the atom is it?
Finally, how come I'm the pedantic one, when you were the one that when told it was a thread of unpopular opinions, you tried to differentiate between "unpopular" and " Unsubstantiated" !

Because there's a huge difference between unpopularity and substantiation ('apologies if the word is too long for you' redux), whereas the difference between a right cross and a right straight is relatively trivial by comparison.

I don't recall saying that hooks/uppercuts/jabs were the same? Save the straw man argument please. Crosses, straights and overhands thrown from the backhand are all the same type of punch.

JMM always knew Pac was susceptible to the right hand (overhand, looping, straight, cross and any other differential you need) you need to maybe actually pay attention when watching their fights... He'd used the right hand liberally for 3 fights (particularly the 3rd) as part of his usual style of trying to counter and outwork Pac, rather than fight with a knockout mentality. Heres another 10 minutes if footage for you to ignore. Same punches, different approach

http://youtu.be/O5Mqa6tDLRU

the fact that in their 4th he was twice as aggressive as usual, stood and took more risks and did something completely new by hiring a strength coach ought to tell you that JMM was taking a different approach and had every intention of capitalising on the life long vulnerability of Pac's... It's quite clear from round one onwards what JMM was looking to do this time, assuming you actually understand what you're watching of course...

After consistently finding his mark with the right hand and getting robbed again, why wouldn't he plan to come back more aggressively and throw it with actual knock out intentions the next time to take it away from the judges?

Pac's in for a painful night with Mayweather if he's stupid enough to write off JMM's (non specific variety of) right hand(s) as a lucky punch and the result of merely a single moment of carelessness. Please never become a boxing coach, you'll get somebody hurt.

Listen, if it makes you happy to keep backstroking on what you've said to continually try to justify your dross, then crack on! but please spare me the old "I've been between the ropes so I know everything and you know fuck all" horseshit.
This thread was all about People having opinions that may be a touch controversial and everyone else reading them and just thinking "mmm" or "what a prick!" They weren't supposed to be debated ad infinitum otherwise they would've had their own individual thread. I notice you're the only fucker to make comments on not just mine but other people's "Unpopular opinions" , which was the total opposite of the spirit of the thread.
I've humoured you for long enough, so don't bother replying, because although it was fun at first ridiculing your silly argument, I've got bored with it now and there's a couple of walls I've just painted and I would rather watch them dry!

[AdamGB]

When did I pull rank and talk about my own boxing experience? 2nd time you've brought it up with no provocation. Lose the chip on your shoulder.

I've not back tracked once, Pac has always been vulnerable to the right hand, Marquez just had the guts and skill to take the risk and plant his toes in front of Manny in the 4th fight to take full advantage of it.
All I've done is (repeatedly) point out that splitting hairs over terminology doesn't at all change the validity of anything.

Other people have replied to opinions in this thread, whether they be about Hatton or Canelo, of course to expect you to realise this when reading the thread would also be expecting some basic level of comprehension from you.

Go and enjoy your walls, I've spent this thread wasting my time by talking to one.

[AdamGB]

Had Calzaghe fought the younger Hopkins, jones he would have still outworked them.

Toney too.

Personally I think an older Hopkins beat him anyway so I'm going to disagree using my own unpopular opinion!

Thats because you don't know how to score a fight.

Ignorance is bliss

No mate, it's because you don't know what effective punches are
One thing I think we'll all agree on is that it was an ugly fight!

[Primo Carnera]

When did I pull rank and talk about my own boxing experience? 2nd time you've brought it up with no provocation. Lose the chip on your shoulder.

I've not back tracked once, Pac has always been vulnerable to the right hand, Marquez just had the guts and skill to take the risk and plant his toes in front of Manny in the 4th fight to take full advantage of it.
All I've done is (repeatedly) point out that splitting hairs over terminology doesn't at all change the validity of anything.

Other people have replied to opinions in this thread, whether they be about Hatton or Canelo, of course to expect you to realise this when reading the thread would also be expecting some basic level of comprehension from you.

Go and enjoy your walls, I've spent this thread wasting my time by talking to one.

I never said you talked about your own boxing experience , I couldn't give a rat's ass about your boxing experience.
Remarks like "you need to maybe actually pay attention when watching their fights" , "assuming you actually understand what you're watching of course..." and " Please never become a boxing coach, you'll get somebody hurt. "
all highlight the arrogant perception that you know what you're on about and anybody that thinks differently doesn't. I don't have to point this out to you because you know what you're trying to do , but hey-ho, such is life. cheerio!