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May the best man win.
Me chosing Pac wouldn't be so fun so I decided to look for some reasons why I should vote for Floyd...
...but I couldn't find any.;D
I've noticed many fans here underestimating Pac so I'm putting up some tidbits on every post of mine here re pac/flo...
I was watching post fight interviews of Mosley for both his Floyd and Pac fights and clearly his face was much more marked, his cheeks swollen and both eyes puffed up after Pac fight than Floyd's. And the more important thing here is that Pac was fight a fighter who was running backwards most of the time after 2 rounds...
Says it all..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
"May" the best man win.
Honestly, I don't want to see floyd taking a round off like he did with maidana in one of the championship rounds.
If he has manny hurt he needs to bring out that beast mode and make a statement.
Floyd will always be floyd so a decision win is fine by me but a late stoppage would be interesting...obviously in the money teams favour.
Winning every round isn't good enough? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ChinoQuote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Glad to see someone recognize that pac was mashing marquez up before that "perfect Punch" koed his ass. If not for that punch, Marquez wouldve left that fight looking like a different person, but it is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
LIke Ive said before, floyd is showing his age. Getting hit more, slowing down, and not having any type of punch output.
If manny can come in with a high output, He will either tko floyd late or just win on points.
Floyd cant match the output.
If Manny doesnt and tries to box floyd he will lose
Manny didn't look spectacular against journeyman Algieri or Rios did he?
So many clowns still here.
Wait Maidana twic then to Pacquiao is even better aint it?Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteYou can't go from Algeri to Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
That's like kindergarden to MIT.
it's one think to hate on a man but you really take this to another level. What do you know about the Philippines? You think pac is beloved there like how they say so in HBO huh? Guess what he is actually under a microscope by all, especially now that he is in Congress. In the Philippines you can be sent to prison if you fuck with the national anthems traditional way of singing. Guess what would have been happen to Pac if your lies where true?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Yea sit the fuck down and stfu hoe. The hate here is ridiculous. This is what happens when I go away and don't keep these fags in line ???
You heard that from contradicting king Mayweather? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoPoint form answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustanybody who takes that s*** is a scumbag and should be put in jail. my only question is was he ever actually caught through testing? Or are we just assuming he was taking that because he looked so much bigger and had so much more power?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Who has ever gone from 106 LBs to 147 LBs and KO'd top level opponents the whole way?
Roach says Ariza is a "scumbag" & "dirty" & is "not to be trusted" claims he gave Pac shakes but refused to explain what was in them.
Pac has no knock outs since he stopped training with Ariza even though he has fought "lesser opponents" (Rios, Algieri)
Lance Armstrong never tested positive for steroids over his whole career even tho he has since admitted to using almost every kind of PED from 1995 onward.
Pac refused to be tested for Mayweather fight in 2009 despite career high payday. WHY??
Looks like shit, smells like shit... Probably shit.
Tell me when did Ariza join Pacs camp and how many knockouts did he have with Ariza?
These PED accusing relation to lack of knockouts is ridiculous.
Look how Pacs fight night weights is from Featherweight to Welterweight, relatively the same. he is fighting at his natural weight, keeping his speed and power. The reason why he doesn't get the stoppage is because these guys are bigger men. What makes Pac dominant over these 140-147 fighters is his speed and enough pop in his output. It's not his power. He doesn't stop guys with one punch but he beats them up with output.
Ofcourse he won't get the knockouts he use to in the lower weight classes, he is fighting bigger guys.
I want Pac to win because I've always been a fan and Floyd is a piece of shit. The guy gets clowned on hard in his own Home Country. More American want to see Pac win than Floyd.
Floyd made a video with racial remarks towards Pac and ASians. He spoke about how stupid pac is for signing a $70,000 deal with Nike. And Floyd has no endorsement but Pac has it all since no company want to align with contradicting king Floyd Mayweather. He talked about Pac probably couldn't read the contract but turns out he is the one who can't read lmao.
Just look at endorsement deals for American Athletes, look at Floyd and then wonder why Pac has American company endorsing him and even American Politician.
Now anybody who thinks Pac is a cheat or a piece of shit, guess again cause you bottom feeder's are idiots. It must suck to want somebody to look so bad cause you don't like them. In Floyds case he makes him self look bad enough.
IF this was SRL vs Pac it would be hard to pick who you want to see win.
But those were two different Mosleys.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The Mosley Floyd fought was coming from a big win against Margarito and everyone said Mayweather wont fight because he's scared but Mosley was old all of a suddden when Floyd won. That Mosley was still able to pull the trigger like he did twice in the second round.
The Mosley that Pac fought was coming off a loss with Floyd and a Draw with Sergio Mora. It was clear in the Pac fight that Mosley was old and couldn't pull the trigger anymore but still managed to make Pac miss a shit load.
How would Pac have handled a situation where Mosley belted him with two huge shots and had him on queer street like Mayweather was? Would he have survived? Gone down? or gone to sleep like he did with Marquez? We don't know, but we will find out who is better on May 2nd. No excuses.
Maybe it's a character he plays to get people like you to hate him and pay to see him lose? Which, evidently, looks like the case because of the silly money he's made for an apparently boring and crap fighter, according to pac fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I don't like the equation of he beat him worst so he would win. Bottom line is Pac vs May is the best vs the best and what they did to common opponent won't matter May 2nd. It's what they do to each other that night. Who's style will prove dominant over the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraBut those were two different Mosleys.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The Mosley Floyd fought was coming from a big win against Margarito and everyone said Mayweather wont fight because he's scared but Mosley was old all of a suddden when Floyd won. That Mosley was still able to pull the trigger like he did twice in the second round.
The Mosley that Pac fought was coming off a loss with Floyd and a Draw with Sergio Mora. It was clear in the Pac fight that Mosley was old and couldn't pull the trigger anymore but still managed to make Pac miss a shit load.
How would Pac have handled a situation where Mosley belted him with two huge shots and had him on queer street like Mayweather was? Would he have survived? Gone down? or gone to sleep like he did with Marquez? We don't know, but we will find out who is better on May 2nd. No excuses.
I think people are underestimating pacs countering ability and floyds brawling ability. These kind's of fight tend to show and force the better fighter to go onto a different gear or arsenal.
Maybe we see floyd walk manny down or we see a brilliant counter punch combo by pac stopping floyd.
Nobody knows.
Agree with you there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI don't like the equation of he beat him worst so he would win. Bottom line is Pac vs May is the best vs the best and what they did to common opponent won't matter May 2nd. It's what they do to each other that night. Who's style will prove dominant over the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraBut those were two different Mosleys.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The Mosley Floyd fought was coming from a big win against Margarito and everyone said Mayweather wont fight because he's scared but Mosley was old all of a suddden when Floyd won. That Mosley was still able to pull the trigger like he did twice in the second round.
The Mosley that Pac fought was coming off a loss with Floyd and a Draw with Sergio Mora. It was clear in the Pac fight that Mosley was old and couldn't pull the trigger anymore but still managed to make Pac miss a shit load.
How would Pac have handled a situation where Mosley belted him with two huge shots and had him on queer street like Mayweather was? Would he have survived? Gone down? or gone to sleep like he did with Marquez? We don't know, but we will find out who is better on May 2nd. No excuses.
I think people are underestimating pacs countering ability and floyds brawling ability. These kind's of fight tend to show and force the better fighter to go onto a different gear or arsenal.
Maybe we see floyd walk manny down or we see a brilliant counter punch combo by pac stopping floyd.
Nobody knows.
I want Manny to win it and think he'll surprise Mayweather with his own speed and accuracy. But in the end Mayweather will slip slide and glide his way to a decision and fans will moan about how it should have happened 5 yrs ago, like we're doing before the bell rings now ;D
I've actually given that some thought in the past but his domestic abuse cases and constant contradiction in interview is too much to give that ploy any more consideration. His "0" keeps him relevant. And too bad for him Pacquiao's career won't die down despite 5 loses, 3 k.o loses and 2 draws. Floyd's own people are cheering for Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraMaybe it's a character he plays to get people like you to hate him and pay to see him lose? Which, evidently, looks like the case because of the silly money he's made for an apparently boring and crap fighter, according to pac fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Julius Rainit's one think to hate on a man but you really take this to another level. What do you know about the Philippines? You think pac is beloved there like how they say so in HBO huh? Guess what he is actually under a microscope by all, especially now that he is in Congress. In the Philippines you can be sent to prison if you fuck with the national anthems traditional way of singing. Guess what would have been happen to Pac if your lies where true?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Yea sit the fuck down and stfu hoe. The hate here is ridiculous. This is what happens when I go away and don't keep these fags in line ???
Blah blah blah... Moron.
Manny and accuracy don't belong in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Last 5 fights of manny including the 2 losses ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny and accuracy don't belong in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
pac 46%
algieri 38%
pac 34%
bradley 19%
pac 48%
rios 43%
pac 46%
marquez 27%
pac 39%
bradley 28%
Good job owning that hater ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by arcanum26Last 5 fights of manny including the 2 losses ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny and accuracy don't belong in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
pac 46%
algieri 38%
pac 34%
bradley 19%
pac 48%
rios 43%
pac 46%
marquez 27%
pac 39%
bradley 28%
Yea I thought so hoe, stfu you got nothing to say :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainit's one think to hate on a man but you really take this to another level. What do you know about the Philippines? You think pac is beloved there like how they say so in HBO huh? Guess what he is actually under a microscope by all, especially now that he is in Congress. In the Philippines you can be sent to prison if you fuck with the national anthems traditional way of singing. Guess what would have been happen to Pac if your lies where true?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Yea sit the fuck down and stfu hoe. The hate here is ridiculous. This is what happens when I go away and don't keep these fags in line ???
Blah blah blah... Moron.
Not sure about that but same can be said of about Cotto if you use the same reasoning. All I can say is that after the kd, Mos had been running all the way and how the heck will he be able to land big shots if he was running scared. And believe me only the very best puncher can catch a running fighter. Pac did that also to Algieri who was running on reverse gear for the entire 12 rounds and knocked him 4-5 times. What I'm trying to say here is don't underestimate Pac...Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraBut those were two different Mosleys.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The Mosley Floyd fought was coming from a big win against Margarito and everyone said Mayweather wont fight because he's scared but Mosley was old all of a suddden when Floyd won. That Mosley was still able to pull the trigger like he did twice in the second round.
The Mosley that Pac fought was coming off a loss with Floyd and a Draw with Sergio Mora. It was clear in the Pac fight that Mosley was old and couldn't pull the trigger anymore but still managed to make Pac miss a shit load.
How would Pac have handled a situation where Mosley belted him with two huge shots and had him on queer street like Mayweather was? Would he have survived? Gone down? or gone to sleep like he did with Marquez? We don't know, but we will find out who is better on May 2nd. No excuses.
Leave the kid alone, my man.:-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYea I thought so hoe, stfu you got nothing to say :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainit's one think to hate on a man but you really take this to another level. What do you know about the Philippines? You think pac is beloved there like how they say so in HBO huh? Guess what he is actually under a microscope by all, especially now that he is in Congress. In the Philippines you can be sent to prison if you fuck with the national anthems traditional way of singing. Guess what would have been happen to Pac if your lies where true?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Yea sit the fuck down and stfu hoe. The hate here is ridiculous. This is what happens when I go away and don't keep these fags in line ???
Blah blah blah... Moron.
How can you respect and want a fighter to win when he was a PED cheat for a good chunk of his career?
How do you take a clown seriously when he just repeats another clowns opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
These haters are too much fun though. They are emotionally involved with their online opinion :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanLeave the kid alone, my man.:-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYea I thought so hoe, stfu you got nothing to say :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainit's one think to hate on a man but you really take this to another level. What do you know about the Philippines? You think pac is beloved there like how they say so in HBO huh? Guess what he is actually under a microscope by all, especially now that he is in Congress. In the Philippines you can be sent to prison if you fuck with the national anthems traditional way of singing. Guess what would have been happen to Pac if your lies where true?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Yea sit the fuck down and stfu hoe. The hate here is ridiculous. This is what happens when I go away and don't keep these fags in line ???
Blah blah blah... Moron.
Julius Rain Rocks!
...but all joking aside.
How can a true fan of the sport support a drugs cheat who has put the lives of other fighters at risk for years?!
Yeah, and ruthless rocco really isn't a bad guy but he has an insane twitch about Manny. Damn, I don't like Floyd but I respect his fighting ability. He is a true artist, even with Tyson one of my favorite things about him was when his defense was at its best, he was so good it was almost funny. I think Tysons defense was more entertaining than Floyd but Floyd is one of the greatest defensive fighters to ever step in the ring. Floyd senior is even a bigger prick but he hammered that defense into Floyd and did an excellent job. That is one reason I give Floyd the edge in this fight, yes, I am a pactard saying that but Floyd has much less wear and tear throughout his career. Manny at his best was an amazing thing to watch. Sports illustrated did a special about him a few years ago and at that time he was rated the best athlete period. It was a very interesting article, I wish I could find it but I read it in a waiting room when I was seeing the doctor for my penis enlargement.
I know this fight is not going to be what it could have been, I don't care who's fault it was, it's just a shame the fans were denied two of the top fighters in history fighting in there prime. Doesn't mean this won't be good, I'm looking forward to it. Manny needs to bang, close rounds go to Floyd in his house.
Although I said Floyd has an edge in this fight I still think Manny has a very good shot at winning, he could win but lose but being boxing it's possible that could even happen to Floyd. I've been holding off joining in on these threads, I've just been observing but now I'm ready. I took the day after the fight off has I'll either be very happy or bummed out. OMG, would you imagine a draw, that would be nuts, Manny may hold back bringing the fight to a draw and then beat Floyd senseless in the second fight. Brilliant, manny you are brilliant. So rocco, we know your feelings about Manny. But I do believe you respect his boxing, I know you'll come back with peds blah blah blah but it would be great if you could just discuss the fight betwixt two great fighters,you know I dropped the Floyd ped thing when it was found he was hooking up with Manny Rameriz the red Sox player. I dropped it and will not bring it up again. If someone never tested positive screw it, I will not judge them.
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Ya, rocky, you've been acting more like a paranoiac narcotics agent than a boxing expert. Hope you'll show more of your boxing knowledge than your expertise in detecting a ped user. If not, this is where you should be posting:Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
http://www.jpeds.com
@pacfan always good to hear from you. I know a while ago you were speaking of a tragedy that took place in your country, hope things are getting better. I have a few questions for you if you have the inclination to answerQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfanQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Ya, rocky, you've been acting more like a paranoiac narcotics agent than a boxing expert. Hope you'll show more of your boxing knowledge than your expertise in detecting a ped user. If not, this is where you should be posting:Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
http://www.jpeds.com
1- will the fight be shown for free in your country
2- the American press often talks about Mannys charitable works in your country, can you provide any details as to what exactly he does, is it known what kind of money he donates, I have read he is generous to a fault.
3- we are all aware Manny holds political office in your country, his wife as well I believe. Is he a good politician, has he produced any legislation which was of benefit to your country. Anything else he has done while in office that helped the country.
4- has Manny gone back to Catholicism yet or is he still evangelical. I would feel a lot better about the fight if I knew Manny was Catholic again.
Hope I didn't blind side you with all these questions, just things me and other pactards have been talking about but we have yet to find in-depth answers from someone like you, a citizen
awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Manny has a fake persona just like Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Hoya played the good guy while Arum covered up rape charges....no telling what he's holding over Manny's empty head.;D
They all have fake personas, there hasn't been a champion in the history of boxing who wasn't a rat bastard piece of shit motherfucker.
Manny is a great fighter and Damn near a saintly human. This fight is going to be good (Manny) versus evil (Floyd) if Floyd wins it will hasten the arrival of the apocalypse, God help us.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny has a fake persona just like Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Hoya played the good guy while Arum covered up rape charges....no telling what he's holding over Manny's empty head.;D
No problem, bud, @walrus, I'll try my best to answer your questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus@pacfan always good to hear from you. I know a while ago you were speaking of a tragedy that took place in your country, hope things are getting better. I have a few questions for you if you have the inclination to answerQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfanQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Ya, rocky, you've been acting more like a paranoiac narcotics agent than a boxing expert. Hope you'll show more of your boxing knowledge than your expertise in detecting a ped user. If not, this is where you should be posting:Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
http://www.jpeds.com
1- will the fight be shown for free in your country
2- the American press often talks about Mannys charitable works in your country, can you provide any details as to what exactly he does, is it known what kind of money he donates, I have read he is generous to a fault.
3- we are all aware Manny holds political office in your country, his wife as well I believe. Is he a good politician, has he produced any legislation which was of benefit to your country. Anything else he has done while in office that helped the country.
4- has Manny gone back to Catholicism yet or is he still evangelical. I would feel a lot better about the fight if I knew Manny was Catholic again.
Hope I didn't blind side you with all these questions, just things me and other pactards have been talking about but we have yet to find in-depth answers from someone like you, a citizen
1. Yes, it will be shown free...but...with tons of commercial in-between rounds so the telecast is delayed by about 2-3 hours. Commercials on main events usually lasts about 5 mins per round so the whole fight can last up to 2 hours. There's also PPV on cables here and the price has been set at about 2,500 pesos, which is about $60, pretty stiff for most folks here.
2. The local media outlets don't cover much of Manny's 'other' activities but when disasters like typhoons strikes the country, Manny has often been caught on local news distributing goods and cashes to the victims.
3. Politics. No doubt Pac is considered a hero in the country but some of his 'other' activities including politics, singing and acting are just been tolerated by people here. Sometimes they are treated as butt of jokes but not in a disrespectful manner most of the time. Politically, he is known here as an absentee congressman.;D Many people here think he's just been led on and used by some politicians taking advantage of his naivete. No doubt someday he will be pushed to run for president by these sycophants.
4. Nope, even his devoutly Catholic mother failed to convince him to get back. For now, he's definitely a staunch evangelical Christian. I heard he's building an evangelical church somewhere around his hometown costing millions of dollars. Just like in politics, some people say he's just be led on by those evangelical preachers but I'd rather not go into that; all I can say is that they are very good talkers.
Just to give you an overview, in this country the people are divided in two groups: the intellectual elites which makes up about 20% and the rest who are called 'masa' or the masses who make up about 80% of the population. The intellectual elites are more critical, even regarding Pac, and these are the Filipinos you might have encountered all over the WWW posting in English or the so-called Taglish - mix of English and Tagalog. The masses are the ones whom you hardly hear from...but...they are the ones who control the politics here. They have the votes and they vote with their hearts, not minds and that's one major reason why this country has been in rut. What I'm trying to drive at here is that if Pac can maintain his popularity, it is not impossible that these masses will make him a president someday. No problem there except he will probably be used by some people for their selfish interest. But what the heck, I say, Pac for President!!!
Stop being paraQuote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny has a fake persona just like Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Hoya played the good guy while Arum covered up rape charges....no telling what he's holding over Manny's empty head.;D
I don't think Manny even knows what a persona is when it comes to boxing. His personas (acting) are super corny like his singing. I can't even watch the stuff. He's a man just like most men and when there is an attractive women flaunting about he's going to look and want to touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny has a fake persona just like Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Hoya played the good guy while Arum covered up rape charges....no telling what he's holding over Manny's empty head.;D
No argument fromQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI don't think Manny even knows what a persona is when it comes to boxing. His personas (acting) are super corny like his singing. I can't even watch the stuff. He's a man just like most men and when there is an attractive women flaunting about he's going to look and want to touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny has a fake persona just like Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Hoya played the good guy while Arum covered up rape charges....no telling what he's holding over Manny's empty head.;D
Spot on.
@pacfan thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to answer those questions. I half expected those answers but was hoping to hear a little more positive aspects of his situation. I read an article about Manny and the Evangelicals and exactly what you said was my take on the situation. People got there claws into Manny and became comfortable there. Damn, I'm sure he goes into everything with the best of intentions but sometimes it's easy to get led astray. Well, if you are gonna back him for pres, I'm with you on that one. We have plenty of absentee legislators here as well, especially around presidential election times.
So he's just some stupid moron who does what he's told or follows his most basic urges like a muppet or dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteNo argument fromQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI don't think Manny even knows what a persona is when it comes to boxing. His personas (acting) are super corny like his singing. I can't even watch the stuff. He's a man just like most men and when there is an attractive women flaunting about he's going to look and want to touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny has a fake persona just like Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Hoya played the good guy while Arum covered up rape charges....no telling what he's holding over Manny's empty head.;D
Spot on.
No wonder you basic bitches love him so.
Nah, I think he does things with good intent. He already apologized for his singing career. As far as being a politician and being led around By people with money, that's about 99 percent of US politicians so that should come as no surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoSo he's just some stupid moron who does what he's told or follows his most basic urges like a muppet or dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteNo argument fromQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI don't think Manny even knows what a persona is when it comes to boxing. His personas (acting) are super corny like his singing. I can't even watch the stuff. He's a man just like most men and when there is an attractive women flaunting about he's going to look and want to touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteManny has a fake persona just like Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44awe cummon, he isnt even anywhere near floyds twat leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Hoya played the good guy while Arum covered up rape charges....no telling what he's holding over Manny's empty head.;D
Spot on.
No wonder you basic bitches love him so.