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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
Kirkland is flawed for sure but he's still a unique test for Canelo: a huge punching southpaw who throws a ton of punches.
Kirkland was not an easy out. Canelo made it look easy, but the shots that got Kirkland out of there were highly skilled counter blows, and Canelo had to weather a storm and absorb some punishment before he could get that knockout.
Kirkland isn't one of the best at 154, nobody would claim that, but he does bring a lot of fury with him and it's an interesting style to go up against. In Canelo's last 5 he's fought 3 southpaws. He's fought Floyd, Lara and Trout, three ultra slick movers/counter punchers. He's not fighting soft opposition.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
GGG knocks the cinnamon out of him.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
Well it was an easy night for Canelo, all he could do was beat what was put in front of him and he did it in spectacular fashion.
I thought the second knockdown was great as well, the way he leaned out of the way of the left and caught him with that uppercut, I know Kirkland left himself open to it but it was still a great punch, the knockout punch was awesome though.
I like Canelo and I want to see him get back on track.
Next fight will be a PPV against Cotto, people are saying GGG but I just can't see that happening anytime soon
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
I agree Kirkland is a puncher and Geale is now garbage , I don't think Cotto would beat Canelo.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
kirkland sparked canelo a few times. THe real difference was canelo had enough smarts to block and move.
kirk seemed like he wanted to show he had a rock hard chin and could take all them blows to the face. He didnt attempt to move left right or back, just forward. Zero head movement "unless it was moved with canelo's punches" and the only blocking he did was with his face.
Kirk should retire now, cause he is already slurring his words.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
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If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
Canelo withstood Kirkland's rush in straight forward style fairly well, he got tagged a few times, but never seemed in any danger. I was surprised Kirkland wasn't KO'd in the first round because of how wide open he was to counter, but Canelo missed a series of right handed uppercuts on him. Kirkland didn't use many angles, he just rushed in took the brunt of the punches well, but then would get clipped every so often.
Miguel Cotto won't do that vs Canelo, I predict that fight will have a slower pace to it as Cotto is a more cerebral fighter than Kirkland. Miguel will pick his spots to box and his spots to dig in...if Miguel can get behind that jab and win the first half of the fight that's good, but the problem comes when Cotto runs out of energy. Does Cotto have the power to stop Canelo? Does he have the power to drop Canelo? I think we see a much closer fight between them. I dont' care who wins at this point, I've always been a Cotto fan, but I just think it's ridiculous anytime a boxer tries to make his own little weight class and for Cotto it's like 150-152....what you can't make 147? Then lift more weights and be a good junior middleweight! Or at the very least fight at 154 and don't do the catchweight bullshit
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
Last week you guys complained the fight had no action.
This week you get action, but complain about skill level.
Not comparing these two-to Haglar Hearns-rather the way it went down:
2 guys ending a 3 round war with slugging.
One guy has a chin to get checked but gave all he could.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
I think Canelo showed good skill, but the constant missing of those right uppercuts, he wasn't missing by a lot, he was missing in a way you knew that he'd land eventually....but those punches are VERY dangerous to miss as it leaves you in a vulnerable position for a longer period of time and with Kirkland pressed in maybe too far for his own good he didn't see the openings or feel the openings but he could have landed left hooks at any point in time (head or body) when Alvarez missed.
I was disappointed in Kirkland's footwork, but he was relentless, he was letting his hands go....I just think he got carried away with himself either because of the early knockdown or he thought he was doing more damage on Canelo than he actually was.
Very fun fight to watch though
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
Despite the knockdown in the first I think Kirk did get to Canelo, obviously not to a great degree but he got him. Kirkland was also sucking for air early on despite the HBO crew going on about his great conditioning. Canelo May have missed with a lot of those upper cuts but he does have a good one. Kirks corner was pleading with him to keep his hands up and not doing so played apart in his early demise. The KO was coming but he pretty much gave it away. You never know what Kirk is going to show up to a fight but if you look at his stats he doesn't win without Wolfe, not saying he would have won this with her but perhaps he would have had the extra motivation he appears to respond well to. His records impressive for someone who has spent five years in jail (I think that's correct) I hope he didn't go completely off the rails when he can't box anymore but I fear he may be one of those guys, a lot of wars, a lot of cerebral damage.
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually
watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has
earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually
watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has
earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.
Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.
Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.
You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
Kirkland was made for Canelo and so looked spectacular.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
someone explain how a win over a guy who hadn't fought in nearly 2 years is a big deal plz? especially when the guy is as one dimensional as they come and had already been sparked by a feather fisted fighter in the 1st:confused::-X:rolleyes:
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someone explain how a win over a guy who hadn't fought in nearly 2 years is a big deal plz? especially when the guy is as one dimensional as they come and had already been sparked by a feather fisted fighter in the 1st:confused::-X:rolleyes:
Because they want to create another superstar and ppv fighter so that they can milk fans out of more money. The media hype and manufacturing by the TV companies of fighters to fill the gap Fraud Mayweather and Manny Pac is embarrassing.
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someone explain how a win over a guy who hadn't fought in nearly 2 years is a big deal plz? especially when the guy is as one dimensional as they come and had already been sparked by a feather fisted fighter in the 1st:confused::-X:rolleyes:
Because they want to create another superstar and ppv fighter so that they can milk fans out of more money. The media hype and manufacturing by the TV companies of fighters to fill the gap Fraud Mayweather and Manny Pac is embarrassing.
my point exactly, this win was pointless and hollow, he should have just been rematching Lara who already beat Canelito in the first place
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually
watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has
earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.
Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.
Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.
You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much.
Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.
Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters. :lolhaha:
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually
watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has
earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.
Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.
Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.
You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much.
Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.
Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters. :lolhaha:
Mayweather posed no knockout threat to Canelo. The only danger he posed was that of exposing and embarrassing the young, overhyped matinee idol. Which of course he did..... to the Nth degree. Kirkland dangerous? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! To himself, maybe. To the rest of us, he was a bumbling, Wolf-less, face-first, defenseless fighter just coming off a 1st round KO loss to that most feared puncher of all........ Nobuhiro Ishida!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop!! You're killing me here.
I'm sorry..... but this is where you and I part ways. You see Kirkland as dangerous 'cause it fits your "let's continue to hype Canelo" agenda. Everybody else saw him as a lamb being led to slaughter. If not, check out the results of the poll on this very thread.
I'll give Canelo his win over Trout, because that's just the kind of guy I am...... objective. But it was about time he faced someone like that...... after amassing a 42-0 record on bums, over-the-hills, or undersized opponents..... don't you think?
So who has Canelo had to duck yet? NOBODY.
I actually hope he doesn't duck GGG. I will be my extreme pleasure to watch Canelo dismantled piece by ginger-colored piece in what is sure to be my most favorite fight to watch after the destruction of JCC Jr. by Fonfara the other day.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
In slow motion. Kirkland looked like one of those old cowboy westerns where the shot bandit pirouettes off the balcony :-X
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually
watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has
earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.
Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.
Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.
You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much.
Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.
Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters. :lolhaha:
Mayweather posed no knockout threat to Canelo. The only danger he posed was that of
exposing and embarrassing the young, overhyped matinee idol. Which of course he did..... to the
Nth degree. Kirkland
dangerous? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! To himself, maybe. To the rest of us, he was a bumbling, Wolf-less, face-first, defenseless fighter just coming off a 1st round KO loss to that most feared puncher of all........ Nobuhiro Ishida!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop!! You're killing me here.
I'm sorry..... but this is where you and I part ways. You see Kirkland as dangerous 'cause it fits your
"let's continue to hype Canelo" agenda. Everybody else saw him as a lamb being led to slaughter. If not, check out the results of the poll on this very thread.
I'll give Canelo his win over Trout, because that's just the kind of guy I am......
objective. But it was about time he faced someone like that...... after amassing a 42-0 record on bums, over-the-hills, or undersized opponents..... don't you think?
So who has Canelo
had to duck yet? NOBODY.
I actually hope he doesn't duck GGG. I will be my extreme pleasure to watch Canelo dismantled piece by ginger-colored piece in what is sure to be my most favorite fight to watch after the destruction of JCC Jr. by Fonfara the other day.
It's pretty hilarious how Kirkland was always one of the names you would bring up that Alvarez needed to fight. Now that Kirkland got slaughtered, of course he now sucks. Right? Hating 101. Either way, knock Kirkland all you want. He's still way more dangerous and way more of a threat than Daniel fucking Geale.
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What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually
watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has
earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.
Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.
Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.
You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much.
Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.
Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters. :lolhaha:
Mayweather posed no knockout threat to Canelo. The only danger he posed was that of
exposing and embarrassing the young, overhyped matinee idol. Which of course he did..... to the
Nth degree. Kirkland
dangerous? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! To himself, maybe. To the rest of us, he was a bumbling, Wolf-less, face-first, defenseless fighter just coming off a 1st round KO loss to that most feared puncher of all........ Nobuhiro Ishida!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop!! You're killing me here.
I'm sorry..... but this is where you and I part ways. You see Kirkland as dangerous 'cause it fits your
"let's continue to hype Canelo" agenda. Everybody else saw him as a lamb being led to slaughter. If not, check out the results of the poll on this very thread.
I'll give Canelo his win over Trout, because that's just the kind of guy I am......
objective. But it was about time he faced someone like that...... after amassing a 42-0 record on bums, over-the-hills, or undersized opponents..... don't you think?
So who has Canelo
had to duck yet? NOBODY.
I actually hope he doesn't duck GGG. I will be my extreme pleasure to watch Canelo dismantled piece by ginger-colored piece in what is sure to be my most favorite fight to watch after the destruction of JCC Jr. by Fonfara the other day.
It's pretty hilarious how Kirkland was always one of the names you would bring up that Alvarez needed to fight. Now that Kirkland got slaughtered, of course he now sucks. Right? Hating 101. Either way, knock Kirkland all you want. He's still way more dangerous and way more of a threat than Daniel fucking Geale.
Kirkland's a big puncher, and aggressive. No taking that away from him. But he's pretty well shot, it appears. The knockout loss to Ishida was downright shocking. I've never wanted to put too much stock into the importance of a certain person in a fighter's corner, but damn..... It seems Ann Wolfe is more important in that corner than most people thought she was. And... you gotta admit... Kirkland displayed ZERO defense against Canelo. Tailor-made for Canelo, is the only way to put it. Made for Canelo to look good.
Daniel fucking Geale? Prior to his knockout loss to Golovkin, he wasn't doing too badly for himself. Losing by KO to GGG isn't exactly a rarity lately... the guy has 20 straight KO wins. We'll see exactly how he and Cotto match up, but I don't think it's exactly a gimme. You say Kirkland is more of a threat than Geale. Yet the Kirkland that showed up against Canelo was clueless. Someone like Geale would've probably been more competitive.
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Re: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?
Kirkland was being schooled by Molina two years ago for Christ's sake, he hadn't fought since 2013 and you're trying to make the dude sound like he was a top guy, when he really wasn't
