How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?

[TitoFan]

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

[El Kabong]

Canelo withstood Kirkland's rush in straight forward style fairly well, he got tagged a few times, but never seemed in any danger. I was surprised Kirkland wasn't KO'd in the first round because of how wide open he was to counter, but Canelo missed a series of right handed uppercuts on him. Kirkland didn't use many angles, he just rushed in took the brunt of the punches well, but then would get clipped every so often.

Miguel Cotto won't do that vs Canelo, I predict that fight will have a slower pace to it as Cotto is a more cerebral fighter than Kirkland. Miguel will pick his spots to box and his spots to dig in...if Miguel can get behind that jab and win the first half of the fight that's good, but the problem comes when Cotto runs out of energy. Does Cotto have the power to stop Canelo? Does he have the power to drop Canelo? I think we see a much closer fight between them. I dont' care who wins at this point, I've always been a Cotto fan, but I just think it's ridiculous anytime a boxer tries to make his own little weight class and for Cotto it's like 150-152....what you can't make 147? Then lift more weights and be a good junior middleweight! Or at the very least fight at 154 and don't do the catchweight bullshit

[SlimTrae]

Last week you guys complained the fight had no action.
This week you get action, but complain about skill level.
Not comparing these two-to Haglar Hearns-rather the way it went down:
2 guys ending a 3 round war with slugging.
One guy has a chin to get checked but gave all he could.
.

[El Kabong]

I think Canelo showed good skill, but the constant missing of those right uppercuts, he wasn't missing by a lot, he was missing in a way you knew that he'd land eventually....but those punches are VERY dangerous to miss as it leaves you in a vulnerable position for a longer period of time and with Kirkland pressed in maybe too far for his own good he didn't see the openings or feel the openings but he could have landed left hooks at any point in time (head or body) when Alvarez missed.

I was disappointed in Kirkland's footwork, but he was relentless, he was letting his hands go....I just think he got carried away with himself either because of the early knockdown or he thought he was doing more damage on Canelo than he actually was.


Very fun fight to watch though

[Violent Demise]

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

[TitoFan]

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

[walrus]

Despite the knockdown in the first I think Kirk did get to Canelo, obviously not to a great degree but he got him. Kirkland was also sucking for air early on despite the HBO crew going on about his great conditioning. Canelo May have missed with a lot of those upper cuts but he does have a good one. Kirks corner was pleading with him to keep his hands up and not doing so played apart in his early demise. The KO was coming but he pretty much gave it away. You never know what Kirk is going to show up to a fight but if you look at his stats he doesn't win without Wolfe, not saying he would have won this with her but perhaps he would have had the extra motivation he appears to respond well to. His records impressive for someone who has spent five years in jail (I think that's correct) I hope he didn't go completely off the rails when he can't box anymore but I fear he may be one of those guys, a lot of wars, a lot of cerebral damage.

[Violent Demise]

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.

[TitoFan]

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.

Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.

Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.

You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.

[Master]

Kirkland was made for Canelo and so looked spectacular.

[ElTerribleMorales]

someone explain how a win over a guy who hadn't fought in nearly 2 years is a big deal plz? especially when the guy is as one dimensional as they come and had already been sparked by a feather fisted fighter in the 1st

[Violent Demise]

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.

Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.

Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.

You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.

Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters.

[TitoFan]

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.

Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.

Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.

You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.

Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters.

Mayweather posed no knockout threat to Canelo. The only danger he posed was that of exposing and embarrassing the young, overhyped matinee idol. Which of course he did..... to the Nth degree. Kirkland dangerous? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! To himself, maybe. To the rest of us, he was a bumbling, Wolf-less, face-first, defenseless fighter just coming off a 1st round KO loss to that most feared puncher of all........ Nobuhiro Ishida!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop!! You're killing me here.

I'm sorry..... but this is where you and I part ways. You see Kirkland as dangerous 'cause it fits your "let's continue to hype Canelo" agenda. Everybody else saw him as a lamb being led to slaughter. If not, check out the results of the poll on this very thread.

I'll give Canelo his win over Trout, because that's just the kind of guy I am...... objective. But it was about time he faced someone like that...... after amassing a 42-0 record on bums, over-the-hills, or undersized opponents..... don't you think?

So who has Canelo had to duck yet? NOBODY.

I actually hope he doesn't duck GGG. I will be my extreme pleasure to watch Canelo dismantled piece by ginger-colored piece in what is sure to be my most favorite fight to watch after the destruction of JCC Jr. by Fonfara the other day.