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I'd love to hear your views on slavery. Haha! Moron!Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThey shouldnt. They should fight who they are told to fight. Boxing needs to be taken away from the "business" bullshit and it could return to being a great sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I didn't say that, but welcome to the the female club. People who take what they hear and twist it to annoy themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I said he has "too much" control, some is good but too much is not.
No one execept Floyd and Bertos camp really want this fight to happen.
I don't know about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNot $32 million worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI'd say that'll end up being more than lucrative for them. The ad revenue they're going to generate for Mayweather's first free fight in 10 years will be off the charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe person that negotiated the contract for the TV company needs shooting. What a waste on one fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
It'll be a 3 hour broadcast, they'll show the under card, they'll show a lot of teasers/filler material where they can cut to commercials every couple of minutes, and those commercial spots are going to be extremely valuable. They were charging 4.5 million for 30 second ad spaces during the Super Bowl. Floyd vs Berto is NOT the Super Bowl obviously, but their spots aren't going to be cheap. Then you have to figure in advertisers and sponsors of the event, advertising space on the actual ring, ect. Then you factor in ticket sales, broadcasting rights, ect. They'll profit off of this, no problem.
The bible is pretty clear on slavery :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoI'd love to hear your views on slavery. Haha! Moron!Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThey shouldnt. They should fight who they are told to fight. Boxing needs to be taken away from the "business" bullshit and it could return to being a great sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
It should be free, who is going to pay for Berto vs Floyd. I am not excited about this fight in any way at all. Are there any boxing fans out who just can't wait to see this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI'd say that'll end up being more than lucrative for them. The ad revenue they're going to generate for Mayweather's first free fight in 10 years will be off the charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe person that negotiated the contract for the TV company needs shooting. What a waste on one fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
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Originally Posted by beenKOedIt should be free, who is going to pay for Berto vs Floyd. I am not excited about this fight in any way at all. Are there any boxing fans out who just can't wait to see this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI'd say that'll end up being more than lucrative for them. The ad revenue they're going to generate for Mayweather's first free fight in 10 years will be off the charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe person that negotiated the contract for the TV company needs shooting. What a waste on one fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yes there is. There's one on this very forum.
He will not watch either but pretend he is interested.Quote:
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Originally Posted by beenKOedIt should be free, who is going to pay for Berto vs Floyd. I am not excited about this fight in any way at all. Are there any boxing fans out who just can't wait to see this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI'd say that'll end up being more than lucrative for them. The ad revenue they're going to generate for Mayweather's first free fight in 10 years will be off the charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe person that negotiated the contract for the TV company needs shooting. What a waste on one fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yes there is. There's one on this very forum.
Love him or hate him, Floyd is the undisputed king of the boxing. He is one of the greatest boxing talents of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
If you have no interest in seeing the greatest athlete in your sport compete, you have no business calling yourself a fan of that sport. Period. FACT.
If no one watches the fight, I'll concede you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI didn't say that, but welcome to the the female club. People who take what they hear and twist it to annoy themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I said he has "too much" control, some is good but too much is not.
No one execept Floyd and Bertos camp really want this fight to happen.
He is entitled to a gimme at this point in his career and the fact that it will be on free tv is awesome for the sport. And I would not count Berto out because the former belt holder might have his moments more then Pacman did. Lets not forget Cotto's last fight was a gimme, Pacman fought Algieri and GGG has been fighting C and D fighters at the ripe age of 33. And Khan has been fighting scared since his last loss. Floyd will never be truly appreciated until he retires for good and is called into the Hall of Fame.
No offense, of course to you. I do value your opinion. Even though the fights free, I won't tune in for it. IamInuit is right, Floyds not about legacy or his warrior image; he's about money. Maybe he won't miss my +1 in the ratings or anyone else that decides to brush over this broadcast to start his send off with a big "F__K YOU" but I'm not gonna play party to building this egomaniacs stupidity or self image. First, because i can't consider what he does (pre fight demands for making his own set of rules, picking opponents regardless of ranking, barking like a pitbull during a promotion and then fighting like a chihuahua in the ring) as competing. Second, for as long as this has gone on, I can't consider him the greatest athlete in my sport. Greatest Self promoting personality maybe; Greatest sure bet yeah; or greatest technical boxer i'd agree too. The man admitted he doesnt have the passion for the sport, so why should i feel obligated to have the passion to watch him half @$$ it, so he can buy 5 more exotic cars for a weak performance that's been over built.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerLove him or hate him, Floyd is the undisputed king of the boxing. He is one of the greatest boxing talents of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
If you have no interest in seeing the greatest athlete in your sport compete, you have no business calling yourself a fan of that sport. Period. FACT.
Its not history to me. I understand for people of our generation, it may be the best we have and to those who are reveling in it right now, by all means don't let me ruin it for you. To me, people that made history just made it. They didn't start redesigning and cutting corners half way through in order to ensure it so they could be paid marketing royalties after they pulled it off on technicalities. Which is exactly why this is being put on free tv -- to get the casual fans. They don't care about the hardcore fans. So this is geared towards getting casual fans who are convinced they are witnessing some kind of history to build these fights into superbowl like events for boxing where casual fans (with casual $$$) tune in no matter who's playing.
Just my opinion of course... and that's why I won't watch. Floyd/ his people and I just have a different idea of what Boxing should be. He obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone's opinion but his own, because it would cost him money.... and I don't care for the circus he's trying to redefine it as.... No one says we have to agree. How he (and others) play the game, kill traditions and mentors idiots like broner that will infest the sport ...is his business and what I choose to watch while he's doing it, is mine....
I think it's so fucking stupid whenever this shit gets brought up. Like it's black and white - you're either TOTALLY selfless and in it completely for the art, or you could give a fuck about the art and you're 100% about the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
No boxer in the history of the sport that falls into one or the other. Everyone wants to be the best, everyone wants to be champion, and EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THE POSSIBLY CAN! We are talking about PRIZE FIGHTING. Anyone who thinks differently is living in a fantasy world.
You tell me: was Sugar Ray Robinson not "about the money" when he was showing up on fight night and demanding the promoters pay him more or he wasn't going to fight? Boxing fans shit talk Floyd out of one side of their mouth, and praise SRR out the other, and it just shows how clueless people are.
I'll say it again, you can hate the guy, you can say he's a prick, but you can't take away the in-ring skill (which is second to none) and you can't take away 19 years of doing nothing but winning and shutting up the haters. And you're telling me Floyd doesn't have a legacy in the sport? How delusional can people be?
Jealousy... Plain and simple.
To effing right hes about money.!
Oscar can be about money but floyd can't!
Bollocks.
Floyd had the balls to leave evil bob arum and do it all on his own.
He is halfway to billionaire status and still undefeated and flawless at 37 years young.
At least we are around to witness this genius impose and nulify any opponents output, implement ramdom drug testing and makes hof look easy.
He is the TBE.
(2nd to ali)
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerI think it's so fucking stupid whenever this shit gets brought up. Like it's black and white - you're either TOTALLY selfless and in it completely for the art, or you could give a fuck about the art and you're 100% about the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
No boxer in the history of the sport that falls into one or the other. Everyone wants to be the best, everyone wants to be champion, and EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THE POSSIBLY CAN! We are talking about PRIZE FIGHTING. Anyone who thinks differently is living in a fantasy world.
You tell me: was Sugar Ray Robinson not "about the money" when he was showing up on fight night and demanding the promoters pay him more or he wasn't going to fight? Boxing fans shit talk Floyd out of one side of their mouth, and praise SRR out the other, and it just shows how clueless people are.
I'll say it again, you can hate the guy, you can say he's a prick, but you can't take away the in-ring skill (which is second to none) and you can't take away 19 years of doing nothing but winning and shutting up the haters. And you're telling me Floyd doesn't have a legacy in the sport? How delusional can people be?
Ok, maybe a bit of a miscue. My comment about Inuit being right about floyd being about the money is not my reason for not watching just a credit to Inuit for what he said in response to my earlier comment. My response to the money issue, I'm sure other if not every fighters in it for the money. What i'm saying is if you don't have the passion for it 32 mill is all the passion you need. If you handed 32mill to SRR to put someone on their ass.... I believe in the least, it would look like he was trying to put that opponent down. Floyd is not a one trick pony, he has an arsenal above and beyond that of everyone he fights according to most fighters... if 5% is all he needs to beat some of these guys, then he's happy and most wont demand more of him. I do. If you use %5 and get a close decision or what ifs, then you deserve whatever flack comes your way.
I was a floyd fan. I even have an autographed glove from he first started out. Its true, you cant erase 19 years of winning. As for shutting up haters. Haters will always find something to beef about so i dont really believe you will shut them all up. If he knocks someone out in 1 round, they'll say they could have been gone in half that time. As his careers gone on, hes picked up more detractors. For many its the money persona, for others its mistakes he's made in his life. For me, he demands all the money, all of the credit and for what he's capable of. He's only done half the work. As I said earlier, that won't my a difference to the stats people or the historians (His legacy is there). But it does make a difference in how the people who know what you were capable of, remember you. The worst part is the surge is detractors is his own doing because of all the attention he's drawn to himself. Like I said if the showtime/cbs people are happy to pay him for his bottom 5%, more power to them and him but i reserve my right to rake him over the coals for being a halfA$$er because i know hes capable of more.
Its like klitchsko getting no credit, simply because he's in better shape that most of the heavyweight class then on fight to fight basis. If all he had to do was show up and spar with them. its enough to win the fight. But he wont get credit for holding or just being in good shape as he would for punishing his opponent.
At least Money isn't going against another slow, plodding Mexican. We should all be grateful for that.
Berto does bring the action. That's plenty we can ask for gents..
Do you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.
Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.
It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.
Like when Mosley landed that big shot on Floyd. People would rather knock Shane "If he stayed on Floyd he would have finished him", but neglect the fact that Floyd recovered from that shot quickly. Shane had no chance of ending that fight at that time, but people are gonna believe what they want to believe because of their bias....Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.
Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.
It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.
Berto must have naked pictures of Floyd and Haymon together.
5% of course is an exaggeration; How about 45? 65% 70% or does even 80% make anyone feel better about the money they spend to Listen to/ watch this...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.
Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.
It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.
https://youtu.be/x8LuQItZaDs
and this...
https://youtu.be/v0LSsphSesY
and this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkntLgPZjM
and with all his speed, hard work, dedication, ring generalship accuracy and defense in the pocket... not be able to pick up counter punching opportunities that a much slower marquez feasted on for 4 fights. Or the overhand right that marquez laid the blueprint for... so he could do this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpj03sZkic
https://youtu.be/jC9bTx0NcGE
He wasn't more capable than that? That was his 100% hard work, dedication, accuracy, speed, pedigree.. from a a man born in the boxing gym? Noone says he has to engage meet every fighter in the middle of the ring, or even spend the whole fight sacrificing him his pretty boy mug for counter punching opportunities. But after 4 round or even 6, you don't think he could have landed some combinations, some counter punching opportunities or went on the offensive for more than 10 seconds collectively, with the arsenal at his disposal? (and his 1000 dollar specially prepared meals) Especially after he catches pac coming in and freezes him and stands there staring at him? And now, he's going to wipe his butt with Berto, who's been beat by guerrero, ortiz, and pounded by soto karass... I could be alone in my perspective, but he's not doing enough for what hes capable of to be called the best ever.
You say Floyd should have fought more like JMM against Pac... but in JMM's 4 fights with Pac, he absorbed a ton of damage, was knocked on his ass at least half a dozen times, had his nose shattered, face cut up... and most importantly, he went 1/4 against Pac (even though most of us can agree he deserved at least one or two of those decisions).
In the first 3 fights, Manny landed an average 160.3 punches per fight on Marquez.
Against Mayweather, Manny landed half of that - 81 punches in total.
And most importantly, Floyd won a wide, uncontroversial decision over Pac.
So you really think Floyd should have fought more like JMM? Yeah, it would have been more entertaining for the fans, but why make anything harder than it needs to be?
And again, why do you have to be a KO artist to be considered great? Floyd has a 54% KO ratio... not great, but SRR (if you just look at his wins) only has a 62% KO ratio, and he's considered TBE. So your logic is full of holes and inconsistencies, as is usually the case with Floyd haters.
Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.
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....but he's most certainly TBE!!!
It is a piss take fight and should be ignored.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
...this coming from a guy who'll make 16 posts about his ever changing day to day feelings about the new Modest Mouse, Manic Street Preachers or Muse albums!
I would take the new Muse album at the retail price over a free Floyd Mayweather fight in a heartbeat. The new Modest Mouse is more on a par with the Mayweather/Berto fight. A bit rubbish.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
...this coming from a guy who'll make 16 posts about his ever changing day to day feelings about the new Modest Mouse, Manic Street Preachers or Muse albums!
You have no taste Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI would take the new Muse album at the retail price over a free Floyd Mayweather fight in a heartbeat. The new Modest Mouse is more on a par with the Mayweather/Berto fight. A bit rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
...this coming from a guy who'll make 16 posts about his ever changing day to day feelings about the new Modest Mouse, Manic Street Preachers or Muse albums!
First, I never said he had to fight Marquez's fight. Second, I never said he needed to be a ko artist to be great. What I said was with his speed,ring generalship, experience, intelligence and all the other things that he claims makes him "the best ever" , he should have been able to take advantage of at least some of those opportunities and not paid the price. He could have, tied up, circled out or used his footwork to slip out after he did. Instead he chose to do all of that without even trying because he already had your money and then stood there cheering for himself in the closing seconds while he played keep away. Again, he's entitled to do that if the refs,the broadcasters, the sanctioning bodies and some of the fans believe it's a superb showcase of his talents and believe it's work 32 million. Other fans are entitled to their opinion too that it's a farce for someone who claims to be the best ever in a combatitive support to rarely choose to be combatitive... And they refuse too support or credit him for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
So I watched the PBF v Maidana II vid that you link to. Nice HD. Entertaining. But around 52 seconds in PBF appears to be knocked down. I didn't remember that so I went looking for it in the actual fight. It's not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed5% of course is an exaggeration; How about 45? 65% 70% or does even 80% make anyone feel better about the money they spend to Listen to/ watch this...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.
Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.
It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.
https://youtu.be/x8LuQItZaDs
and this...
https://youtu.be/v0LSsphSesY
and this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkntLgPZjM
and with all his speed, hard work, dedication, ring generalship accuracy and defense in the pocket... not be able to pick up counter punching opportunities that a much slower marquez feasted on for 4 fights. Or the overhand right that marquez laid the blueprint for... so he could do this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpj03sZkic
https://youtu.be/jC9bTx0NcGE
He wasn't more capable than that? That was his 100% hard work, dedication, accuracy, speed, pedigree.. from a a man born in the boxing gym? Noone says he has to engage meet every fighter in the middle of the ring, or even spend the whole fight sacrificing him his pretty boy mug for counter punching opportunities. But after 4 round or even 6, you don't think he could have landed some combinations, some counter punching opportunities or went on the offensive for more than 10 seconds collectively, with the arsenal at his disposal? (and his 1000 dollar specially prepared meals) Especially after he catches pac coming in and freezes him and stands there staring at him? And now, he's going to wipe his butt with Berto, who's been beat by guerrero, ortiz, and pounded by soto karass... I could be alone in my perspective, but he's not doing enough for what hes capable of to be called the best ever.
Someone editing together two different sequences from two different rounds: a hard right followed by PBF going to the canvas. The first sequence took place at the end of a round. The fall to the canvas however is from another round, and is preceded by a slip, not a hard right as the video would want us to believe.
There was no knockdown. I would not rely on that video to tell me what happened in that fight.
I'm not the author of those videos. He was never knocked down in that fight. That was a side effect of maidanas roughhousing. The use of that video is to show that in both the fights with bigger and supposedly stronger cotto and maidana (whatever the circumstances- weight issues, glove demands etc), Floyd fought them more aggressively so we knew he was capable of it... and the videos show that(or were the panned out fights of floyd being the aggressor and wrestling with Maidana creatively edited?).... Then avoided even trying to use the same skills to even combinations or do the same for other fighters...instead choosing to avoid actively engaging them.. like the guy he claimed wore lifts in his shoes. :rolleyes: The fact remains that for 32 million, if the fans cant expect a consistent effort or level of competition... then it will effect how he is remembered in the sport (he believe he transcends)Quote:
Originally Posted by ManjuSo I watched the PBF v Maidana II vid that you link to. Nice HD. Entertaining. But around 52 seconds in PBF appears to be knocked down. I didn't remember that so I went looking for it in the actual fight. It's not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed5% of course is an exaggeration; How about 45? 65% 70% or does even 80% make anyone feel better about the money they spend to Listen to/ watch this...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.
Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.
It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.
https://youtu.be/x8LuQItZaDs
and this...
https://youtu.be/v0LSsphSesY
and this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkntLgPZjM
and with all his speed, hard work, dedication, ring generalship accuracy and defense in the pocket... not be able to pick up counter punching opportunities that a much slower marquez feasted on for 4 fights. Or the overhand right that marquez laid the blueprint for... so he could do this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpj03sZkic
https://youtu.be/jC9bTx0NcGE
He wasn't more capable than that? That was his 100% hard work, dedication, accuracy, speed, pedigree.. from a a man born in the boxing gym? Noone says he has to engage meet every fighter in the middle of the ring, or even spend the whole fight sacrificing him his pretty boy mug for counter punching opportunities. But after 4 round or even 6, you don't think he could have landed some combinations, some counter punching opportunities or went on the offensive for more than 10 seconds collectively, with the arsenal at his disposal? (and his 1000 dollar specially prepared meals) Especially after he catches pac coming in and freezes him and stands there staring at him? And now, he's going to wipe his butt with Berto, who's been beat by guerrero, ortiz, and pounded by soto karass... I could be alone in my perspective, but he's not doing enough for what hes capable of to be called the best ever.
Someone editing together two different sequences from two different rounds: a hard right followed by PBF going to the canvas. The first sequence took place at the end of a round. The fall to the canvas however is from another round, and is preceded by a slip, not a hard right as the video would want us to believe.
There was no knockdown. I would not rely on that video to tell me what happened in that fight.
Floyd fights with his brain as well as his fists. It's one of the things that sets him apart from his competition. He can fight with aggression or can be elusive and defensive depending on his opponent.
What you see as inconsistent is actually his greatest strength--the ability to adapt to his opponent's style and stifle his opponent's efforts.
It's what makes him MORE consistent than his contemporaries. They can only win or lose with one style, while Floyd just wins with whichever style he needs to do so.
TBE
Tbe ever money maker but not boxer.
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The ONLY reasons why Pac landed less punches on Floyd was because Floyd ran like a bitch. He tasted Pacs power in round 1 & from then on ran , held like a limpet & pulled of Pac's right arm every chance he got. What happened to Floyd's bragging " I'm going to come out aggressive take the fight to Pacquaio & go for the KO" ????? ROFLMAO
Instead we got the same cowardly Mayweather we always see. Heck he'd got an injured opponent fighting in pain, because he'd been sabotaged by the NSAC. Yet STILL !!! the coward ran scared. There is no way in hell anyone can say Floydeasilly won that fight He didn't He struggled. In my opinion Moretti ought to be fired for that ludicrous 118-110 card. 115-113 at best for Mayweather
Patards (still) crying foul.
Hahaha!
Rocco, you seem to be defending this fight. I'm happy it's on network and I do enjoy watching Floyd but even you must admit this is a Shit fight. I know, Floyd deserves the right to pick who ever he wants but bottom line he picked Her to. Just admit it, it's a Shit fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I haven't seen the fight yet and neither have you so how can you be so sure of the shit-ness of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusRocco, you seem to be defending this fight. I'm happy it's on network and I do enjoy watching Floyd but even you must admit this is a Shit fight. I know, Floyd deserves the right to pick who ever he wants but bottom line he picked Her to. Just admit it, it's a Shit fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
And Robinson was a brawler?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Robinson had a lot of great KOs that look great in a 4 minute highlight film, but if you go back and watch a lot of his full fights, he was largely a dancing safety-first guy.
I think a lot of people have an inflated view of guys like Ray Robinson and Ali, because they've only seen the big fights and the highlights. It's like listening to a band's Greatest Hits album. You have to go back and listen to the full discography to get a real grasp on the band. Both of those guys danced, ran, stalled, jabbed and CLINCHED their way to many a victory.
What you're saying really doesn't make sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
You're saying Floyd never tried against Pacquiao.
So Floyd beat Pacquiao without even trying? As good as Pac is? If that's true, how can he not be the greatest of all time?
And you're playing "armchair quarterback" and saying what Floyd Mayweather SHOULD have done in the ring. :rolleyes: Come on man...
Boxing is about winning, hitting and not getting hit. Every great champion has subscribed to this philosophy.
I've seen people hail Pac as the new Henry Armstrong, I've seen them say Floyd is terrified of him, that Pac would destroy Floyd and that's why Floyd won't fight him.
Not only does Floyd beat him, but he makes EASY WORK out of him. He barely breaks a sweat. He took Pac's best straight left, got pushed against the ropes, got flurried on by Pac and looked him right in the eye, smiled and shook his head like "nope, you got nothing." And that's not skill? That's not greatness? Making easy work out of a fellow ATG is not impressive? That's just silly.
Robinson could punch and entertain fans, Ali took challenges way past his prime, these guys will be remembered in boxing history Floyd will be quickly forgotten because of his forgettable performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerAnd Robinson was a brawler?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Robinson had a lot of great KOs that look great in a 4 minute highlight film, but if you go back and watch a lot of his full fights, he was largely a dancing safety-first guy.
I think a lot of people have an inflated view of guys like Ray Robinson and Ali, because they've only seen the big fights and the highlights. It's like listening to a band's Greatest Hits album. You have to go back and listen to the full discography to get a real grasp on the band. Both of those guys danced, ran, stalled, jabbed and CLINCHED their way to many a victory.