Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
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Holmes reign is irrelevant to the topic.
Name a Hall of Famer that Wlad has beat or an opponent that will go into the HOF?
You agree with me, right, that Wlad benefitted from not having to face his most serious threat over the past 10 years - Vitali.
Yes I do agree and im mostly being pedantic. Im good at arguing as you all know. Like Primo keeps saying, its not Fury people dislike its me!;D
My point is how signifcant an opponent and win it is and there are very few by other boxers in the last 25 years that have a win over such a long standing and "dominant" champion.
But yes in a head to head I think Vitali could be too tough for Wlad but I also think Vitali would be too stiff for Fury. He also couldnt deal with speed and lots of punches. Chisora gave him fits and Sanders was also tagging him comfortably in their fight, even dropping Vitali at the end of the first. Sanders was not fit in that fight.
Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Holmes reign is irrelevant to the topic.
Name a Hall of Famer that Wlad has beat or an opponent that will go into the HOF?
You agree with me, right, that Wlad benefitted from not having to face his most serious threat over the past 10 years - Vitali.
Yes I do agree and im mostly being pedantic. Im good at arguing as you all know. Like Primo keeps saying, its not Fury people dislike its me!;D
My point is how signifcant an opponent and win it is and there are very few by other boxers in the last 25 years that have a win over such a long standing and "dominant" champion.
But yes in a head to head I think Vitali could be too tough for Wlad but I also think Vitali would be too stiff for Fury. He also couldnt deal with speed and lots of punches. Chisora gave him fits and Sanders was also tagging him comfortably in their fight, even dropping Vitali at the end of the first. Sanders was not fit in that fight.
I didn't say I didn't like you. how can I dislike you, I don't know you? tad sensitive me thinks.;D
and "Chisora gave Vitali fits?" the Best Shot Chisora got in was at the head to head at the weigh-in. Cunt hardly won a round.:rolleyes:
Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
It was arguably the biggest upset in heavyweight history since Brixton's Danny Williams - who was carefully selected to be destroyed in one round, and was told minutes before the fight he's not getting paid, as the promoter ripped everyone off - bashed up Iron Mike.
Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
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Primo Carnera
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ross
Yes it is very specific because it such a good win.
Wlad was much more dominant and over a much longer period than most of those names put forward.
No, it's very specific so that there can only be one answer. I'm not pissing on Fury's bonfire, fair play to him. I'm just pissing all over your argument. After all, in amongst all the horse shit you've posted recently, I clearly remember When somebody said Wlad had dominated the Division for 10 years, YOU said he's only done so for 2 years, because his brother had before that!!! So that kind of renders your thread as pretty meaningless and FACTUALLY INCORRECT, does it not? Now if you want to reply, crack on, but I'm bored of this , so I'll read it in the morning.
I Still haven't had a reply, apart from "Shut up Primo", so I thought I would re-post it again!
Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
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Primo Carnera
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
ross
Yes it is very specific because it such a good win.
Wlad was much more dominant and over a much longer period than most of those names put forward.
No, it's very specific so that there can only be one answer. I'm not pissing on Fury's bonfire, fair play to him. I'm just pissing all over your argument. After all, in amongst all the horse shit you've posted recently, I clearly remember When somebody said Wlad had dominated the Division for 10 years, YOU said he's only done so for 2 years, because his brother had before that!!! So that kind of renders your thread as pretty meaningless and FACTUALLY INCORRECT, does it not? Now if you want to reply, crack on, but I'm bored of this , so I'll read it in the morning.
I Still haven't had a reply, apart from "Shut up Primo", so I thought I would re-post it again!
Tell me another win over a fighter who has held a world title for so long? Yes he hasnt dominated the whole division for that entire period but how many other wins have been over a fighter who has defended a title as long? Hatton over Tszyu which is a fight along with Clay v Liston that I used for those finding it hard to imagine Fury beating Wlad. The. randal over Chavez and after that out of the thousands of world title fights in the last 25 years there arent many if any and certainly not at heavyweight!
Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
ross
Yes it is very specific because it such a good win.
Wlad was much more dominant and over a much longer period than most of those names put forward.
No, it's very specific so that there can only be one answer. I'm not pissing on Fury's bonfire, fair play to him. I'm just pissing all over your argument. After all, in amongst all the horse shit you've posted recently, I clearly remember When somebody said Wlad had dominated the Division for 10 years, YOU said he's only done so for 2 years, because his brother had before that!!! So that kind of renders your thread as pretty meaningless and FACTUALLY INCORRECT, does it not? Now if you want to reply, crack on, but I'm bored of this , so I'll read it in the morning.
I Still haven't had a reply, apart from "Shut up Primo", so I thought I would re-post it again!
Tell me another win over a fighter who has held a world title for so long?
Yes he hasnt dominated the whole division for that entire period but how many other wins have been over a fighter who has defended a title as long? Hatton over Tszyu which is a fight along with Clay v Liston that I used for those finding it hard to imagine Fury beating Wlad. The. randal over Chavez and after that out of the thousands of world title fights in the last 25 years there arent many if any and certainly not at heavyweight!
More contradictions!
Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
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ross
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Upsets make the boxing world go around and you dig below the easy to know, top names and such, we can find a lot as big as this when put into perspective. An undefeated world ranked fighter who is being called the "next" so and so is the dominate monster in the eyes of some unheralded journeyman who is shipped in to fall over but refuses and takes the biggest win of career. It just happened last night. Just my opinion I spose. In p4p surprises, maybe Randall v Chavez? Randall came out of drug rehab and had been KO'd prior...he wasn't even ranked. While Chavez had received shady draw with Whitaker and close run with Taylor, he was still very dominate and riding p4p top rank for years. He was also known for rock chin without being sparked few times prior :-X
One that always gets me is Orlando Canizales v Sergio Reyes 1. Sure..on paper Canizales was declared "winner"...in his hometown...but anyone who saw that knows he lost. Again, p4p ranked and coming in with what? 14,15 defenses? Reyes had all of 10 professional fights and had faced absolutely noooo one of substance. He won that fight :furious2: ;D
Not to dump on your bwoy man, I may not care for his style but he has joined a long line of guys who defy the odds, shove it in the face of establishment and proceed to dump the boxing world on its fat thick head. All the while laughing like a loon and earning every bit of it. Gotta love that!!
Im not talking about big upsets.
Im saying who has beaten any other fighter as dominant as Wlad.
They are big upsets by extension.
Clay/Liston
Schmeling/Louis
Tarver/Jones
Leonard/Hagler
Turpin/Robinson
Rahman/Lewis
Tunney/Dempsey
Douglas/Tyson
Sanders/Wlad
Spinks/Ali
Spinks/ Holmes
Re: Last win by any fighter better than this for Fury.
We cant get to carried away here , when Mike Spinks outpointed a 36 year old Larry Holmes , Holmes was considered to have got old and was out paced.
Tyson Fury himself said before the fight , if I cant beat a 39 year old man I will retire.
So yes fury is the HW champion legit , and deserves both credit and the riches that come with that , but all fighters careers come to an end at some point in time.
Let see if fury can make his own legacy in the new era of HW boxing.
Yes you can only beat what is in front of you , but I would prefer Wlad to hang up his gloves because he has be awful to watch for many years.
